Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Johnknight1]

ATTENTION ALL MIIVERSE NIGHTLY UPDATE FANS;
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-The Miiverse Nightly Update (MNU) Team (me)

Any bets on the pic of the day? My prediction; will be disappointing compared to Friday's pic of Olimar.

"YOU MUST RECOVER!!!!"

But if Wobbles had won at Evo, it would have had to have been the reveal of the Ice Climbers.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

"YOU MUST RECOVER!!!!"

"WITH HULA HOOPS!"

I predict a picture equal to or more disappointing that the Olimar one. Because the best thing in that one was the stage.

Stage looked a little bland, but I still liked that it was from Pikmin 3.

 

[Johnknight1]

"WITH HULA HOOPS!"

Actually, it is now an open secret that an update I would like would be an update confirming which controllers you can use for which game (Smash 3DS and/or Smash WiiU). That would really be a good move, especially if Sakurai confirmed some way for us to use the GameCube controllers/basically a new GameCube controller.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'm staying up tonight thanks to missing out on Friday's update. It doubt it's going to be anything big but I am interested on how they'll follow up with this update.

I used to think that they would do a character a month until I realized that there's still a buttload of characters that are practically guaranteed in the starting roster:

1. Yoshi
2. Zelda/Sheik
3. Peach
4. Ice Climbers
5. Diddy Kong
6. Metaknight
7. King Dedede
8. Wario
9. Zero Suit Samus
10. Mother rep
11. Fire Emblem rep
12. Another Pokemon Rep

Not to mention that it's likely that there's going to be at least 2 or 3 newcomers along side Villager and WFT meaning that even if the game was exactly a year away, Sakurai would somehow have to stall for 260 updates and somehow conceal all this information for that length of time.

 

[Shorts]

But we already know the newcomers so.

Im sincerely saddened about the lack of pre-existing franchises not having a newcomer. I don't think I can stress enough how little of ****s I give about the smaller franchises.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

You never know, one of them may be an unlockable. (I'd suspect it to be one of the Kirby reps or a Mother rep)

I suspect Lucas or Ness will either an unlockable. I think it will depend on who's revealed first. (if at all)

 

[Fatmanonice]

But we already know the newcomers so.

Im sincerely saddened about the lack of pre-existing franchises not having a newcomer. I don't think I can stress enough how little of ****s I give about the smaller franchises.

But the game was only revealed a month ago and Brawl's roster had 25 characters from the get go. In comparison, we've only seen 12 for SSB4. I feel that SSB4 starting roster will have at least 28 individual character slots with 30 individual movesets.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

But we already know the newcomers so.

Im sincerely saddened about the lack of pre-existing franchises not having a newcomer. I don't think I can stress enough how little of ****s I give about the smaller franchises.

Mario and Kirby could use a new rep in my opinion, (Bowser Jr. for Mario that is) DK will most likely get Dixie or K. Rool, and Kid Icarus could use Palutena. Pikmin, on the other hand, I don't think needs another rep. At least one of these characters will likely be revealed in a few months, as I believe they are the most viable choices for a newcomer for a pre-existing franchise. (I'm not so sure about the exact time any of them would be revealed though)

The franchises I think need a newcomer are Mario, Kirby, Kid Icarus, Pokemon, and to a lesser extent, Zelda and Metroid.

 

[kackamee]

Mario and Kirby could use a new rep in my opinion, (Bowser Jr. for Mario that is) DK will most likely get Dixie or K. Rool, and Kid Icarus could use Palutena. Pikmin, on the other hand, I don't think needs another rep. At least one of these characters will likely be revealed in a few months, as I believe they are the most viable choices for a newcomer for a pre-existing franchise. (I'm not so sure about the exact time any of them would be revealed though)

The franchises I think need a newcomer are Mario, Kirby, Kid Icarus, Pokemon, and to a lesser extent, Zelda and Metroid.

Kirby has no more recognizable characters to add, unless I'm forgetting someone. Kirby, Metaknight and DeDeDe are the most famous. Mario doesn't need a new rep, they have all their bases covered too. They could add someone like Bowser Jr, Toad, or Waluigi if they wanted to, but it's not needed imo.
Kid Icarus deserves one, I agree.
Pokemon doesn't need MORE reps, they just need new ones that represent the generation they're in.
Zelda needs more current reps too.
Metroid definitely needs a new rep, most likely Ridley, but I could do with Sylux.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

and to a lesser extent

Metroid.

 

[Baskerville]

Remember when you said you didn't like competitive Melee=??? I'm glad you are enjoying it man.
Smash is like cake-flavored carrots: Ain't nothing bad about it, no matter what way you eat it. You can have that cake and eat it, too!

When did I say I didn't like competitive Melee? You must have me confused with someone else.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Kirby has no more recognizable characters to add, unless I'm forgetting someone. Kirby, Metaknight and DeDeDe are the most famous. Mario doesn't need a new rep, they have all their bases covered also. They could add someone like Bowser Jr, Toad, or Waluigi if they wanted to, but it's not needed imo.
Kid Icarus deserves one, I agree.
Pokemon doesn't need MORE reps, they just need new ones that represent the generation they're in.
Zelda needs more current reps too.
Metroid definitely needs a new rep, most likely Ridley, but I could do with Sylux.

The most viable character for a new Kirby rep would be the Bandana Dee that's been showing up in a lot of Kirby games since Superstar Ultra.

I believe Mario could use Bowser Jr., maybe Waluigi, but I won't mind if the latter doesn't get in. (I'll only be a tad upset if Jr doesn't get in)

That's kind of what I meant about the Pokemon, the most likely Pokemon rep to return other than Pikachu and Jiggs is Mewtwo, and Pichu has no chance. I wouldn't mind a new Pokemon rep aside from those 3.

Zelda doesn't have that many good choices aside from maybe Impa or Ghirahim.

I think it would be disrespectful to leave Metroid with only 1 true rep for this long, and still give newer franchises new reps, be it just 1 or several. I'm not saying the newer franchises to Smash aren't as important, I'm saying it would be bad to say the other franchises aren't important.

Metroid and Kid Icarus have very few good choices, but Ridley, being Samus's arch-enemy, therefore a signature Metroid character, along with wide range of attacks and abilities that could be used for his moveset, has about as much of a chance as Palutena in my mind.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Lol.

I actually didn't mean to put Metroid there, I'm tired right now.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'm saying 2-3 more newcomers as a bare minimum because, after all, Melee had 5 and Brawl had freakin' 12.

 

[Johnknight1]

I just thought of the best troll character idea...

...LANDMASSSTTAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

Im sincerely saddened about the lack of pre-existing franchises not having a newcomer. I don't think I can stress enough how little of ****s I give about the smaller franchises.

Eh, there's no one really who is a "can't miss" characters for most big franchises. Most of the big /established series,

The only few that have reasonable choices are Sonic (not gonna happen), Pokémon (just no recent Pokémon look like playable material, sans Zoroark, who IMO looks somewhat lackluster), Star Fox (as much as I hate Krystal as a terrible and pointless character, I can't deny she could be a unique playable character; also, Landmasters as a playable character) Kid Icarus (with Palutena; could happen), Metroid (Ridley obviously), and Donkey Kong (a few choices).

The only one IMO with 2 or more decent newcomer options is definitely Donkey Kong, and maybe Pokémon (if we include potential newcomer Pokémon pre-Generation V).

Also, I got a feeling we'll see at least one major franchises get newcomers who are hidden characters. Brawl had Lucario; let's see who will be his newcomer equivalent.

 

[kackamee]

The most viable character for a new Kirby rep would be the Bandana Dee that's been showing up in a lot of Kirby games since Superstar Ultra.

I believe Mario could use Bowser Jr., maybe Waluigi, but I won't mind if the latter doesn't get in. (I'll only be a tad upset if Jr doesn't get in)
That's kind of what I meant about the Pokemon, the most likely Pokemon rep to return other than Pikachu and Jiggs is Mewtwo, and Pichu has no chance. I wouldn't mind a new Pokemon rep aside from those 3.
Zelda doesn't have that many good choices aside from maybe Impa or Ghirahim.
I think it would be disrespectful to leave Metroid with only 1 true rep for this long, and still give newer franchises new reps, be it just 1 or several. I'm not saying the newer franchises to Smash aren't as important, I'm saying it would be bad to say the other franchises aren't important.
Metroid and Kid Icarus have very few good choices, but Ridley, being Samus's arch-enemy, therefore a signature Metroid character, along with wide range of attacks and abilities that could be used for his moveset, has about as much of a chance as Palutena in my mind.

Bandana Dee doesn't have enough relevance, It'd be cool if DDD could throw out Bandana Dee's in Smash 4 though. When you think about the characters that represent the series, you don't picture him. I'd rather have Knuckle Joe and even he isn't very relevant.

In my opinion, the current reps for Zelda are all good except for Link clone. Remove him, add Impa or someone else, and give Ganon a more individual moveset and the Zelda universe is good.

 

[Johnknight1]

When did I say I didn't like competitive Melee? You must have me confused with someone else.

Probably. Once you read a lot of dumb crap it makes you stupider, and sadly, my comments made me say something stupid by that stupidity.

Regardless of what caused that mistake, I blame Noah.

I'm saying 2-3 more newcomers as a bare minimum because, after all, Melee had 5 and Brawl had freakin' 12.

(note: he is talking in starter newcomers) Technically two of Brawl's newcomers were hidden characters, so that number is 10. Regardless, I think about 2-5 will be an accurate range of pre-revealed newcomers, sans any more 3rd party newcomers.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Ya'll need to

when it comes to the roster.

Smooth Criminal

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Bandana Dee doesn't have enough relevance, It'd be cool if DDD could throw out Bandana Dee's in Smash 4 though. When you think about the characters that represent the series, you don't picture him. I'd rather have Knuckle Joe and even he isn't very relevant.

In my opinion, the current reps for Zelda are all good except for Link clone. Remove him, add Impa or someone else, and give Ganon a more individual moveset and the Zelda universe is good.

(cue Fastblade bringing up the Ganondorf energy ball)

As a Wind Waker fan, I'd be a bit upset if Toon Link was removed, I mean he's not THAT much of a Link clone, and he could be Luigi-fied easily. Young Link or a similar Link hasn't been in any new Zeldas lately, and I never really liked him as much as I did TL. Plus, Toon Link has a greater variety of items that could be applied to him for Luigi-fication.

Personally, I hope that Waddle Dee becomes a more relevant character in future Kirby games. Even if he isn't a fighter, I hope he makes it in some way, as an assist trophy, backround character, what you said, or just a trophy of him would be nice.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I meant in the starting roster though. All together, Melee had 14 newcomers and Brawl had 17. Most of Melee's newcomers were unlockable while Brawl's were starters.

 

[Shorts]

Mario: Junior
Donkey Kong: Dixie, King K. Rool
LoZ: Ghirahim
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Pokemon: Mewtwo
Metroid: Ridley
F-Zero: Goroh
Star Fox: Krystal
Fire Emblem: Chrom
Kid Icarus: Palutena
Smaller Franchises: Villager, Mii, Little Mac, Shulk, WFT, Takamaru
Third Party: Megaman, Pac-Man,

18 newcomers

minus Snake, a Pokemon, and one other from brawl. Not too unrealistic (in terms of character count) and would make me happy. Heck I wouldn't mind throwing Mother or Wario a character, and giving double additions to FE, PKMN, or KI. Would rather see Tingle than Ghiry though. But, I'd also rather see Medusa than Palutena, and Tharja than Chrom. I'm sold on Mewtwo now. He's got some forms... and I'm putting Zorosect on the back burner for now.

 

[Johnknight1]

Bandana Dee doesn't have enough relevance

Stop; relevance doesn't matter. What Bandana Dee or any other Dee lacks is this: why should I want them if I don't like Kirby=??? Why should I care=??? Why should I pay $40 or $60 before tax to play as them=??? Why would the get me excited for this game if I don't care about or know about the Kirby franchise=???

Bandana Dee and all the others Dees (from what I've seen) lacks the uniqueness, the popularity, and/or the "roster balance" needed to even be heavily considered, especially considering all the potential veterans (including Melee cuts) and newcomers who have to have been considered and even heavily considered.

Now if you meant all/part of what I just said as "relevance," then I agree with you!

 

[Mr.Universe]

I would totally play as a Waddle Dee, but I must admit I don't think he's likely or would generate that much hype.

 

[Johnknight1]

I meant in the starting roster though. All together, Melee had 14 newcomers and Brawl had 17. Most of Melee's newcomers were unlockable while Brawl's were starters.

Honestly, I'd prefer that we just get all the veterans (sans returning veterans) as starters, sans the 3rd party characters (new and old).

I mean, all but confirmed characters like Captain Falcon, Falco, Ness, Marth, and Jigglypuff aren't worth "hiding" anymore.

Heck, it would make discovering the newcomers more exciting, since we'd likely get more of them (as hidden characters).

Ya'll need to

Spoiler

when it comes to the roster.

I already put in a Landmaster and Mrs. Sexually Ambiguous Game & Watch, and I've said Pichu would be the greatest "WTF?" character ever. Also, Wart.

 

[kackamee]

Stop; relevance doesn't matter. What Bandana Dee or any other Dee lacks is this: why should I want them if I don't like Kirby=??? Why should I care=??? Why should I pay $40 or $60 before tax to play as them=??? Why would the get me excited for this game if I don't care about or know about the Kirby franchise=???

Bandana Dee and all the others Dees (from what I've seen) lacks the uniqueness, the popularity, and/or the "roster balance" needed to even be heavily considered, especially considering all the potential veterans (including Melee cuts) and newcomers who have to have been considered and even heavily considered.

Now if you meant all/part of what I just said as "relevance," then I agree with you!

Well, yes I meant all of that. On top of...relevance. Relevance as in no other playable smash character has ever been non-iconic in some way. Except for maybe Dr. Mario.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Honestly, I'd prefer that we just get all the veterans (sans returning veterans) .

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I always thought Knuckle Joe would be Sakurai's go to since he made him an assist trophy if he felt like another Kirby rep.

 

[Johnknight1]

Well, yes I meant all of that. On top of...relevance. Relevance as in no other playable smash character has ever been non-iconic in some way. Except for maybe Dr. Mario.

The Ice Climbers weren't icons at all, although they were known of. But i get your point; what you should say is there has never been such an obscure character who isn't a main character of a franchise.

Ice Climbers, while not really iconic, were main characters. Coincidentally, Dr. Mario starred his owned (sub Mario) franchise as well.

 

[Shorts]

I would totally play as a Waddle Dee, but I must admit I don't think he's likely or would generate that much hype.

WFT broke all barriers. "Not generating enough hype" was never a good excuse to exuse a character, but now it's like law.

 

[Bowserlick]

Wii Fit Trainer generated alot of talk. More than Megaman. In fact the Villager even generates more buzz with his memes than Megaman. Sometimes going for what is expected is not the best solution. But Megaman looks awesome.

 

[kackamee]

I always thought Knuckle Joe would be Sakurai's go to since he made him an assist trophy if he felt like another Kirby rep.

That's how I feel too, but the Kirby series is probably the most well represented series of all the series in Smash Bros. Except for probably Yoshi.

The Ice Climbers weren't icons at all, although they were known of. But i get your point; what you should say is there has never been such an obscure character who isn't a main character of a franchise.

Ice Climbers, while not really iconic, were main characters. Coincidentally, Dr. Mario starred his owned (sub Mario) franchise as well.

Yeah, better choice of words. And, imo, it's hard to count Dr. Mario in that category, because you could add Golfing Mario, Racing Mario, Basketball Mario etc. Which is partly why I excluded him.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Wii Fit Trainer generated alot of talk. More than Megaman. In fact the Villager even generates more buzz with his memes than Megaman. Sometimes going for what is expected is not the best solution. But Megaman looks awesome.

This. Revealing Villager and Miss Fit was a smart move for Sakurai because while Mega Man gets the hardcore hype. Those two? The casual gamers hype they generate? Through the ****ing roof.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Okay, okay, I swear to God this is the last Evo-related thing I will post in this thread. If you guys have seen the "SaltyBox" gifs, this will be especially hilarious.

http://youtu.be/u8JjB9_QU7Y

It's in Spanish (lel), but in that moment Bart says, "You can see the exact moment when his heart breaks." ****ing DEAD.

Okay, normal thread time.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Johnknight1]

Say what?

As starter characters. Just keep the 3rd party characters and about half of the newcomers as the only hidden characters.

Actually, if it was up to me, I'd get ride of hidden characters, and I would have everyone available from the get go, and everyone revealed at least a week before the game came out.

WFT broke all barriers. "Not generating enough hype" was never a good excuse to exuse a character, but now it's like law.

It is a barrier when you're a minor character in a much larger franchise.

As for "not generating enough hype," this is kind of off this topic, but even the Wii Fit Trainer generated arguably more hype than Mega Man due to her "WTF?"-ness. Aside from a few of the late addition clones in Melee, every newcomer has generated some significant hype thus far.

Of course, a lot of that is determined by how good a character is, the quality of their reveal, how original they are (the WTF being very original), how they "balance" out the roster (ie: like say getting a magic user when we got tons of sword users), how well they "stick out," and really how much certain characters make people want to play the game, even after years and years of playing it (Melee Fox gets me hyped to play over 11 years since I first got Melee).

Really though, the Wii Fit Trainer didn't break any barriers that hadn't already been broken. She was just a reminder that "WTF?" characters can still happen.

 

[kackamee]

I'm looking at the screenshots over again from the latest update, and White Pikmin look sorta gross to me...

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah, better choice of words. And, imo, it's hard to count Dr. Mario in that category, because you could add Golfing Mario, Racing Mario, Basketball Mario etc. Which is partly why I excluded him.

But there was never a character known as "Golfing" "Racing" or "Basketball" "Mario," and thus they never stared in or were the title character of a game.

Oh and none of them went to college, much less get a doctorate degree!

 

[Fatmanonice]

My issue with Bandana Dee becoming playable is that King Dedede had to wait 9 years before becoming playable despite being the second most important character in the Kirby franchise so why should Bandana Dee be playable after one major canon appearance?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

As starter characters. Just keep the 3rd party characters and about half of the newcomers as the only hidden characters.

Actually, if it was up to me, I'd get ride of hidden characters, and I would have everyone available from the get go, and everyone revealed at least a week before the game came out.

I was commenting on the typo.

At least I think it was a typo.

 

[Mr.Universe]

I'm looking at the screenshots over again from the latest update, and White Pikmin look sorta gross to me...

I wouldn't say gross. Their body has a weird frame and creepy eyes though.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I feel it should be a rule of thumb if a series has more than one rep. At least one rep should be locked.

Mario: Luigi
Fire Emblem: Marth
Earthbound: Lucas or Ness. EIther or I'd prefer Lucas
Kirby: Meta Knight.
Zelda: A new rep. Preferably Tingle or Tetra.
Pokemon: Mewtwo.
Donkey Kong: King K. Rool.

Etc, etc, you get the point.