Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Demna]

I actually had him removed at one point but decided to bring him back for a few reasons. One, he's a popular and iconic character with a unique moveset. Two, since Sonic is pretty likely to return there's not really any reason Snake shouldn't as well. And three, Sakurai and Kojima are still friends so it's not like they got in a fight and he'll remove Snake, lol.

A possibility could arise where Kojima would give Snake's character inclusion rights to PSA Allstars 2 rather than Smash 4. We have no absolute proof that Kojima is unable to. It's true that Raiden was included as a PSA AS character, but Snake was wanted more.

 

[Banjodorf]

I'd much rather see K Rool but at this point I think Dixie is likelier, and not just because of TF. As we all know, Sakurai has a tendency to revisit past ideas and implement them in future games, and Dixie was one of the forbidden 7. TF probably has been in development for awhile too, so it's always possible Sakurai knew about Dixie being in it ahead of time.

Sakurai has also stated he's looking more at what at character can bring to differentiate themselves from other characters. Since Dixie was planned to be an addon with Diddy, and likely not given moves of her own, it's much easier to see where K. Rool would differentiate himself from others than Dixie, given his vast pool of things to choose from. Dixie has her Ponytail, but hasn't gotten much else. That's not to say he couldn't get creative.

Also, it's worth noting that given the exposure he gave K. Rool's music, etc. during Brawl (It's DK's credits theme for **** sake), it may be that he considered K. Rool as playable in the planning stages, but decided just to stick with the Diddy+Dixie tag, and later Diddy solo for Brawl. Just like he said with Villager.

Sigh. I hate having to argue these things with people. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Very true. While I like Leif and Sigurd quite a bit as well [not to mention many of the other FE lords] Roy just has a special place for getting me into FE. Plus I found his FE pretty fun despite some flaws


He tried the tank approach in a certain cartoon. granted it wasn't shell cannons but..

That's so not what I had in mind. D:

I'm imagining Bowser looking like his regular self with a more harder shell with a slight different color, then... TRANSFORM! *cue the Transforming sound effect* Bowser gots cannons on his shell with sharper claws and spikes and now can shoot lightning from his claw tips and create dark energy from it (think of SMG1's 2nd Bowser boss battle). That's what Bowser needs. <3

 

[Jedisupersonic]

That's so not what I had in mind. D:

I'm imagining Bowser looking like his regular self with a more harder shell with a slight different color, then... TRANSFORM! *cue the Transforming sound effect* Bowser gots cannons on his shell with sharper claws and spikes and now can shoot lightning from his claw tips and create dark energy from it (think of SMG1's 2nd Bowser boss battle). That's what Bowser needs. <3

I figured that was more what you ment. But I just had to link Robo Koopa xD. That sounds quite cool actually.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Huh, Robo Koopa looks a lot weirder than I remember. (It's been a while since I watched any of the old Mario cartoons)

 

[Admiral Pit]

I figured that was more what you ment. But I just had to link Robo Koopa xD. That sounds quite cool actually.

And that lightning bit was part of the beginning of when Bowser showed up in Galaxy 1. He had lightning from his hands go towards the sky to call in that big UFO. Honestly, Bowser needs tons more than just the fire routine. He'd be much cooler. He needs to be more high tech as well.
He has them airships, tons of castles/towers, and god knows who made Bowser Jr that Megahammer robot in Galaxy 2 (not Eggman). So up with the technology, Bowser!

And speaking of that, each of his Koopalings need a special theme that fits them well, but I forgot the style of all of the regular ones except Ludwig.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

And that lightning bit was part of the beginning of when Bowser showed up in Galaxy 1. He had lightning from his hands go towards the sky to call in that big UFO. Honestly, Bowser needs tons more than just the fire routine. He'd be much cooler. He needs to be more high tech as well.
He has them airships, tons of castles/towers, and god knows who made Bowser Jr that Megahammer robot in Galaxy 2 (not Eggman). So up with the technology, Bowser!

And speaking of that, each of his Koopalings need a special theme that fits them well, but I forgot the style of all of the regular ones except Ludwig.

He would be a lot cooler if he had more powers. The manual for Super Mario Bros. stated he had black magic, and he rarely uses any magic based attacks.
I remeber he used a robot like suit of armor that could shoot bullets or something in Yoshi's Safari, but other than that he's hasn't really tried using technology in a direct fight with his arch enemy.

 

[Admiral Pit]

So um, Koopaling themes, with a Bowser and Jr. I'm thinking of it atm, but I lack info on the Koopalings, besides Ludwig of course.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

And speaking of that, each of his Koopalings need a special theme that fits them well, but I forgot the style of all of the regular ones except Ludwig.

Edit: Lemmy had those beach balls, Morton was heavy, Wendy had those darn Rings. The rest pretty much were just LOLMAGICWANDS.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Larry had those beach balls, Morton was heavy, Wendy had those darn Rings. The rest pretty much were just LOLMAGICWANDS.

It's actually Lemmy that has the bouncy balls.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Larry had those beach balls, Morton was heavy, Wendy had those darn Rings. The rest pretty much were just LOLMAGICWANDS.

Lemmy needs a Circus theme with that beach ball
Morton seems to be a power type and needs something heavy, like an improved hammer.
Larry... something sports-themed, but what do I know?
Wendy... got nothing.
Iggy could be technical as he looks like an inventor/scientist in one way. Since the wiki says he is the fastest and hyperactive, that can help. He also had that pet chain chomp in 2 games.
Roy would be the mean heavy weapons brute with a bullet bill cannon.
Ludwig needs a multi-musical theme in the skies, from calm melodies to intimidating organ and such. So I expect him to be cruel and the strongest of the 7.

Each with different themes. For Bowser Jr... he did have some casino themes somewhere did he? I know his stage in that basketball game and fortune street had it sound like that.

http://www.mariowiki.com/Koopalings Used that for reference.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Larry Koopa: Kind of weak in some games, strong in others. It's been said he's a sports lover, but the only time this was shown in a game is in MAL Superstar Saga where he used a tennis racket in a mini-game and in his fight.

Roy Koopa: Tough, bully character that prefers to live in the desert, and can jump and land on the ground with enough power to cause shockwaves. He also references the "real men wear pink" joke.

Lemmy Koopa: A bit of lunatic, nearly as old as Ludwig, but tiny. He loves bouncy balls, and can balance on them well, so he could have a circus esque theme.

Wendy Koopa: The only girl, a brat that loves fashion, evidenced by the bow on hear head, her pink heels, and her oversized golden ring bracelets.

Iggy Koopa: Kind of mad scientist character, since he wears goggles and supposedly invented all the mechs and weapons his siblings used in Yoshi's Safari.

Morton Koopa: Young, but huge and strong. He seems to like using huge pillar traps as well.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Each of them Koopalings need to expand on what they could do compared to what Nintendo has been going with the typical plains/desert/water/ice/jungle/not sure bout this one/sky routine, with Bowser being the typical fire area. I'm sure they could make em more creative if they actually thought about it.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Hmm, maybe Bowser could finally bring out his full potential of dark magic and create a huge storm. He could build a floating castle (like the one from Paper Mario) and hide it there. There could be a power source in the castle that keeps the storm going and fires lightning bolts.

As for the Koopalings, I can imagine Lemmy having a circus themed castle/home and the battle taking place on a tightrope, forcing you to keep your balance while fighting and avoiding bouncing balls, but that would work out better in a 3D game. Speaking of which, the Koopalings need to be in a game like that for once, instead of just sidescrollers.

I have a few more ideas in my head, just haven't listed them here yet.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, Giga Bowser somewhat covers his various elemental moves, at least. It's too bad he doesn't show any real magic beyond that.(transformation magic and all)

Pac-Man is really not guaranteed either, btw. Sakurai is giving Namco-Bandai zero special consideration as is, so any are possible. He's possible, but that's it.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Regular Bowser needs it though, and more noticeable magic. Fire, Ice, Lightning, and Dark would be good enough, just please something more than just fire all the time. D: And let him use some weapons. Ever wonder what Bowser would be like with a blade and swings it around just the way he does in Brawl, with larger protective bracelets? A cape is optional.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Regular Bowser needs it though, and more noticeable magic. Fire, Ice, Lightning, and Dark would be good enough, just please something more than just fire all the time. D: And let him use some weapons. Ever wonder what Bowser would be like with a blade and swings it around just the way he does in Brawl, with larger protective bracelets? A cape is optional.

I personally think a cape would suit Bowser well. This happens to be one of my favorite fan art pictures of him.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I personally think a cape would suit Bowser well. This happens to be one of my favorite fan art pictures of him.

Cue the Boozer pirate theme!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I personally think a cape would suit Bowser well. This happens to be one of my favorite fan art pictures of him.

Spoiler

Count Bowser scares the crowd!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't like this new version of Bowser you people are crafting here

 

[KingofPhantoms]

A oversized vampire turtle that owns a flying pirate ship.
I think I've seen everything.

 

[Admiral Pit]

1. 1 Bowser. ah ah ah.
2. 2 Bowsers. ah ah ah.

*smacks self for bad impression* D:

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I don't like this new version of Bowser you people are crafting here

Bowser's personality has changed throught several games. His Paper Mario version is a lot more dim witted and shows a lot more affinity for Peach than in other games for example. I wouldn't mind seeing an caped, more arrogant and cocky Bowser in a Mario game so long as it wouldn't completely take away his original personality or replace it altogether.
And I still think he needs a change from physical strength and fire breath, use some dark magic or technology for once. You have to admit his fire breath and brute strength are gonna get old after a while.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Instead of completely changing a character to something else, why not just use a different character instead?

 

[Admiral Pit]

The point was that Bowser needs a modification to the current powers that he uses. I mean I love Bowser, but kidnapping Peach god knows how many times, having just fire breath, and being beaten by a destroyed bridge caused by pushing a button, let alone Bowser falling into lava so often is getting stale after 20 something years? He needs new tricks and a new routine.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Again, maybe Mario just needs new enemies to fight.

Bowser's thing is breathing fire and kidnapping, maybe just create a new villain with new gimmicks

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The point was that Bowser needs a modification to the current powers that he uses. I mean I love Bowser, but kidnapping Peach god knows how many times, having just fire breath, and being beaten by a destroyed bridge caused by pushing a button, let alone Bowser falling into lava so often is getting stale after 20 something years? He needs new tricks and a new routine.

I like he's being changed up already for For. Chain Chomps would be nice. I wouldn't mind Giga Bowser appearing outside of Smash, though. It's really the only Final Smash that has zip to do with the home series of a character. He's not a Mario character, after all.

 

[Demna]

Good thing they buffed Bowser quite a lot, he seems to be more agile now while still maintaining his power.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Bowser's thing is breathing fire and kidnapping, maybe just create a new villain with new gimmicks

Magic has been a huge part of him for a while. He only grows big in the rpg's and Yoshi games with Magikoopa help, but is huge on his own accord. He very much shows magical powers throughout the games. Including teleporting. Those(fire-breathing and kidnapping) aren't the only thing he does. They're definitely iconic to him, though. Note how the Cartoons ignore his fire powers and are pretty much about his magic. Which says a lot in how people view him.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

One attack I thought up for Bowser (in Mario games, not Smash) involves him launching his spikes/thorns from his shell, and having them rain downwards.

I think I'll be turning in. I'll read what I missed when in the morning.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Ah yes, the classic "Pin missile" trick. He should like spin around in his shell when he does that for a more dramatic and cooler look.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ah yes, the classic "Pin missile" trick. He should like spin around in his shell when he does that for a more dramatic and cooler look.

Silver Sonic should be a boss who does that.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Silver Sonic should be a boss who does that.

Needs more Eggman with his famous quotes. Now that'd be time for a change of pace!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Needs more Eggman with his famous quotes. Now that'd be time for a change of pace!

There's a reason for the troll smiley.

Yeah, Eggy should be a boss in some way. Maybe a re-occurring one for the 3DS version and a one-time one for the Wii U version.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Anyone wanna talk about how stupid Microsoft is?

http://www.examiner.com/article/microsoft-thought-they-owned-donkey-kong

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I in their general direction.

But eh, I'm not up for Company bashing at this time.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Let's do it this way then:

Spoiler

Anyone wanna see Sakurai vs 'the fans' btw?

 

[IsmaR]

Anyone wanna talk about how stupid Microsoft is?

Alright, **** this, I'm outta here.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Buying Rare and expecting the rights of Donkey Kong isn't quite intelligent though.

 

[IsmaR]

It was my response to reading that article.

And because I'm actually getting the **** out of here. The sun burns.