Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Vintage Creep]

http://browse.deviantart.com/art/Entering-Hyper-Speed-345522427

Oh.
My ****ing God.

 

[Bowserlick]

Having Roy and Mewtwo planned for the late stages in Brawl does not negate replacement. By having Mewtwo and Roy as possible choices only if there was development time shows that Lucario and Ike had priority for their series spots. And because there was not enough time, in a sense Lucario and Ike did replace the others by nabbing their spots.

 

[Oasis_S]

Dunno what you're saying, but you sound like a communist to me.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Heres how i feel towards a Platinum rep.

Bayonetta or W101 Hero? I'd go with the W101 hero since he can replicate Viewtiful Joe's melee moves in his "A" button attacks while using his energy glove as his specials. But thats if a Platinum rep is/was considered. He also fits the game a lot more.

Yeah i know you meant that dude. I said Viewtiful Joe because he kinda looks like him, with the mini cap and body proportions. he's the next best thing.
i just hope it's just him alone. no one wants to be chain grabbed 100 times

He can replicate Viewtiful Joe's melee attacks in the W101's "A" button attacks.

Oh.
My ****ing God.

 

[Jaedrik]

Dunno what you're saying, but you sound like a communist to me.

Shaddap. Edit: Everyone here should read Mises's essay "Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth".

As Mewtwo was planned to return in Brawl, Lucario was not intended to be Mewtwo's replacement.Hardly a clone, considering that Wolf is only five moves away from being completely unique. It is very possible that with the trajectory of clones becoming more unique that he could end up with a completely unique move set next game. As for Krystal, she has a 50/50 shot but it'll be as the fourth Star Fox rep.Sadly, this is probably the case with Snake. It doesn't help that there isn't much Sakurai can do to make Snake's re-appearance as popular as last time, which would make Sakurai less inclined to have Snake returned.I don't think Ike will be going anywhere this game, given that he was the lord of two games, was incredibly popular and that Roy was planned for Brawl (showing that Ike was not intended to replace Roy). Since three reps was planned in Brawl, there's no reason why we can't have Marth, Ike and Roy and/or Chrom in the next game (barring the unlikely case of time constraints).

There's no reason, they're not intended to, blah blah blah.
To be honest, you're right, there is no reason they can't all be in, and there is no reason for certain characters being replaced.
But they were. Sadly.
That being said, there's no reason why FE can't have 5 reps. (EDIT: WOOO ANNA!)
I doubt StarFox is gonna get a fourth rep, and I sincerely hope Snake stays.
(sorry for butting in on the conversation, just had to get this out there )

I would be rather pleased with both Beybladeonetta and W101 Red Guy.

 

[volbound1700]

My government would be so natural, we would eat smaller governments, unless they puffed themselves up and made loud noises to make themselves seem bigger.

Sounds like the typical Empire pre 20th Century.

 

[Oasis_S]

OH SO YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL ME WHAT TO READ. NEXT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY MY BIBLE.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

To be fair, authoritarianism is absolutely monstrous, and we're hurtling closer towards a police state by the minute.

Edit: 800th post. Woo.

Oh, I'm not knocking on the subject, just picking at MonK4's tendencies. Which I also don't mind.

 

[Deleted member]

Having Roy and Mewtwo planned for the late stages in Brawl does not negate replacement. By having Mewtwo and Roy as possible choices only if there was development time shows that Lucario and Ike had priority for their series spots. And because there was not enough time, in a sense Lucario and Ike did replace the others by nabbing their spots.

Being planned until late in the game does negate replacement. It shows that Mewtwo, Roy, Lucario and Ike were meant to be in the same game and that Sakurai has interest in them. If they were going to be replaced, they would have never been planned in the first place.

 

[Hoots]

Sadly, this is probably the case with Snake. It doesn't help that there isn't much Sakurai can do to make Snake's re-appearance as popular as last time, which would make Sakurai less inclined to have Snake returned.

I see the argument here, but you need to consider how Sakurai's mind works. He is on record saying that the reason that he didn't declone Ganondorf in Brawl is because he didn't want to alienate Melee Ganondorf players. Now consider that in Brawl, they could have at the very least switched to Captain Falcon. Do you think Sakurai would totally axe an entirely unique moveset and playstyle, alienating all Snake players, just because it isn't as exciting?

 

[~automatic]

I don't really see what Roy can add to the game except for another character. And to me a mix of strength and strategy (Marth and Ike) just doesn't seem worth a slot. Except for DLC.

If Roy were to return with a revamped move set and his new art style would you be more interested? Roy or no Roy, we don't know what we're getting yet.

OH SO YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL ME WHAT TO READ. NEXT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY MY BIBLE.

We're only taking your bible because you have hostages who have to sit through an hour long reading before receiving food.
EDIT: We're also taking your hostages.

 

[Jaedrik]

OH SO YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL ME WHAT TO READ. NEXT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY MY BIBLE.

Even though I know you're joking, this is another problem I find with this generation. Nobody can take either criticism or advice any more, even if it's an innocent suggestion, or if you just want someone to check out something that you like.
There is absolutely no statistical correllation in the slightest between self-esteem, or 'confidence', and success. Absolutely none, and generations of self-help books and teacher's union's forced curriculum have corrupted us and made us dull with the thought of entitlement and arrogance. Check this **** out, two studies point this out bold face http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/08/are-raising-generation-deluded-narcissists/ http://www.examiner.com/article/generation-y-s-cockiness-arrogance-or-ignorance One from the American Freshman Survey and another from the American Psychological Association.

ALGHZLILKWE%HLI&(&zx6a
I get mad just thinking about the everything ever.
Sometimes I think my views are too strong. Then I smack myself and say "Tolerance is the virtue of the man with no convictions". Prudence, however, in this case, would be warranted, I'm not the most prudent with expressing my views.

We're only taking your bible because you have hostages who have to sit through an hour long reading before receiving food.
EDIT: We're also taking your hostages.

*grumble grumble grumble*

Oh, I'm not knocking on the subject, just picking at MonK4's tendencies. Which I also don't mind.

:3

Oh guys, quick question, does editing in quotes give you alerts?

 

[Bowserlick]

Being planned until late in the game does negate replacement. It shows that Mewtwo, Roy, Lucario and Ike were meant to be in the same game and that Sakurai has interest in them. If they were going to be replaced, they would have never been planned in the first place.

No it doesn't. Sakurai made the order with probability in mind. Those near the end of development had more probability of being cut. Sakurai also stated that cuts would happen before development. So he knew that some of the characters planned later would be cut.

Lucario had priority on a pokemon space. Mewtwo did not. One character was taken out of a slot and another placed in. That is what replacement is.

 

[Bowserlick]

If Roy were to return with a revamped move set and his new art style would you be more interested? Roy or no Roy, we don't know what we're getting yet.

If Roy had his own identity and was in the game, I would not mind. But if I was in charge, I would pick sword characters from other franchises before even considering another FE rep. Such as Shulk or Issac or maybe Saki.

And as developer I would make a DLC package with all the cut clones. Even Doctor Mario.

 

[Oasis_S]

I didn't mention that my bible is Maid Strong Monthly.

I think a government works best when everyone is happy. The best way to achieve this is to redefine what a citizen is. Only those who are happy with the government are human anymore. Also you must be a maid. The rest will be swept away. Every other nation will be wiped off the face of the Earth with a Swiffer Sweeper.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I didn't mention that my bible is Maid Strong Monthly.

I think a government works best when everyone is happy. The best way to achieve this is to redefine what a citizen is. Only those who are happy with the government are human anymore. Also you must be a maid. The rest will be swept away. Every other nation will be wiped off the face of the Earth with a Swiffer Sweeper.

They should give everyone free beer and woman then

 

[8-peacock-8]

Just talked with my friend.

Heres who he wants to see revealed in this exact order from left to right.

Heres his explanation. (copy and pasted from an e-mail)

The trailer will begin with Mario, Link, Kirby, and Pikachu appearing on Final Destination. After a couple seconds of showing off their new models they begin to fight. Little Mac appears and defeats Kirby and Link with a star punch. Little Mac then reacts quickly to a sword slash from Ghirahim and prepares to fight. However, Takamaru appears and blocks Ghirahim's attacks. Ryu Hayabusa then appears and bat kicks Ghirahim in the face, defeating the fabulous dark lord. Shulk then attacks Little Mac, Takamaru, and Ryu Hayabusa with a Manado Buster. The screen goes dark for a while. After about a minute the screen fades back in and Mega Man appears watching over the battle from a roof top. Ridley flies in out of no where and tries to attack Mega Man. Unfortunately for him Mega Man had charged his Megabuster completely and shot him in the face.

He also said he couldn't figure out where to put Lloyd.

 

[FalKoopa]

What is the current topic?

Or is there even one?

 

[Hoots]

Just talked with my friend.

Heres who he wants to see revealed in this exact order from left to right.

Heres his explanation. (copy and pasted from an e-mail)



He also said he couldn't figure out where to put Lloyd.

That... is terrible.

 

[8-peacock-8]

That... is terrible.

Yeah......he admits it also.

 

[---]

Lucario had priority on a pokemon space.

Am I the only one who thinks Jigglypuff had priority?

I didn't mention that my bible is Maid Strong Monthly.

I think a government works best when everyone is happy. The best way to achieve this is to redefine what a citizen is. Only those who are happy with the government are human anymore. Also you must be a maid. The rest will be swept away. Every other nation will be wiped off the face of the Earth with a Swiffer Sweeper.

Just remember you'll have to bring your own Brain Bleach from home for those extra Strong Stains.

 

[~automatic]

Or is there even one?

You should know how the thread works by now.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

GIVE THIS TO ME. I NEED THIS. I NEED A SUCCESSOR TO AIR RIDE.

 

[Baskerville]

Wow 23 guests. 0_0

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Oh guys, quick question, does editing in quotes give you alerts?

I'm pretty sure I didn't get alerted by this post, if you edited me in there.

 

[Johnknight1]

People who think boxing is boring need to watch a couple of fights

Most (not all) prize fighting these days is boring because all it that it is these days is ducking, prancing around, going in circles, stiff jabs, and grabbing (see: Wladimir Klitschko, Floyd Mayweather). It needs some serious anti-grabbing rules. Lower levels of boxing tend to be very exciting, and yet, maintain the technical feel of the higher levels.

I say that and I have a family history of at least 6 generations of boxers, including my grandfather and all his four brothers.

Now if you wanna constant action, watch some kickboxing or MMA. Those kick knockouts are incredible. Plus those sports are more realistic in regards to fighting (high level kickboxers would beat high level boxers, mixed martial artists would beat high level kickboxers).

Edit: My last post was my 9,876th post... SWEET!!!!

 

[Frostwraith]

Wow 23 guests. 0_0

I've noticed that activity here in SmashBoards has been increasing, too.

Well, it's not surprising, since we're getting close to E3.

 

[Jaedrik]

I'm pretty sure I didn't get alerted by this post, if you edited me in there.

Darn.

Next objective, have the alert system go off if someone edits you into a post! Come on awesome site designers!

 

[Platsy]

Soon enough, the views will rival the Melee Evo threads.

 

[Johnknight1]

23 guests is nothing. I have that many bodies friends in my garage Facebook.

What's wrong with Roy?

H3 h@5 th3 ph1r3!!!!

But seriously, if my ideas for Roy (where he does lots of stabs, a few lunges, and lots of semi-quick moves with some after lag), he could be totally a killer.

Ike got in because Sakurai wanted another FE slot. Now that he stated the roster size has gotten near a maximum point, I think there are going to be limitations on who he includes. I just don't think Chrom's shot at making it is that great.

No, Ike got in because he's a BAMF, he's totally unique, he's got a GIANT, MANLY, AGGRESSIVE SWORD AND STYLE, and because EVERYONE LOVE IKE!!!

No really, Ike might be the most played Brawl newcomer, because he is such a BAMF!!!

 

[Zinfandel]

Man, does anyone even know which newcomers are absolutely guaranteed this time? There really are no guarantees anymore after Brawl picked off the most obvious ones.

I tried to imagine, say, Ghirahim as a shoe-in, but he might be considered as yet another sword in an already quite sword-stuffed roster.Same thing with Samurai Goroh and Shulk.

K. Rool hasn't been around for a long time. Dixie and Krystal likewise. Sakurai may want to go for newer/older/less used franchises instead, so I think Little Mac is one of the most probable ones. Palutena may be too difficult to differentiate from Zelda, and so forth.

I really have no idea anymore.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Ghirahim has more going against him than just being "Another sword user"

 

[Johnknight1]

Mewtwo, K. Rool, Mega Man (if Capcom is willing), and Ridley are all something of near shoe-ins.

You could also make an argument for Shulk and Dixie Kong.

Little Mac, Isacc, Pac-Man, *insert new Pokémon here*, and a few other characters could have a few legs to stand on.

Ghirahim is literally the opposite of a shoe-in. He's just a one shot right hand man to the big baddie in one mediocre Zelda game (still a good game, though).

The only real shoe ins are nearly all of the Brawl cast (probably all of it), plus Mewtwo IMO. Everything else is mostly up in the air.

I see the argument here, but you need to consider how Sakurai's mind works. He is on record saying that the reason that he didn't declone Ganondorf in Brawl is because he didn't want to alienate Melee Ganondorf players. Now consider that in Brawl, they could have at the very least switched to Captain Falcon. Do you think Sakurai would totally axe an entirely unique moveset and playstyle, alienating all Snake players, just because it isn't as exciting?

Agreed with this so much. Snake's moveset is freaking unique, and the whole zoning thing is really something smash should NEVER get rid of!!!

 

[FalKoopa]

Ghirahim has more going against him than just being "Another sword user"

He is Smash 4's Zant.

 

[Oasis_S]

Just remember you'll have to bring your own Brain Bleach from home for those extra Strong Stains.

I would have to instruct my maid army not to Shed a tear for the weak. They would be Sensitive to the poetry of cleaning away blood Stains from their apron. The enemy's last desperate cling to be remembered. And even that is forgotten.

WITH THE POWER OF CLOROX BLEACH'S NEW FORMULA!

 

[Johnknight1]

He is Smash 4's Zant.

And Wolf Link. And Midna. And Midna with Wolf Link. And Vatti. And Skull Kid (minus actually still being wanted).

Also, this needs to be said... Navi is better than Fi. No really, Fi needs to learn to shut the heck up, because she makes Navi look bearable.

It's too bad you can't torture people in Zelda, because boy oh boy, I would go straight up medieval on Navi and especially Fi!!!

 

[Platsy]

I consider Palutena to be a near 100% shoe-in. She's the best female rep candidate and has a ton of potential as seen from the "boss fight" with her in Uprising. Some people say Medusa could get in, but she's in the same boat as Phosphora, where it would be cool, but Palutena is more influencial. Plus her name is in the Japanese version, or something like that.

 

[Jaedrik]

No, Ike got in because he's a BAMF, he's totally unique, he's got a GIANT, MANLY, AGGRESSIVE SWORD AND STYLE, and because EVERYONE LOVE IKE!!!
No really, Ike might be the most played Brawl newcomer, because he is such a BAMF!!!

Funny story. I used to play with Ike all my earlier days. I then experienced a revolt when I saw IkexZelda fanfiction and erased my record data and trained hardcore against level 9s of characters I hated.
My sister told me a story that I don't remember, very very early in Brawl, right after it was released, she was playing as Meta Knight and being super cheap, apparently I said "How are you beating me now?!?!" It's like when we were playing Melee and she discovered Sheik's tilts and c-stick spam. Oh god. I then promptly started using Meta Knight, "MK IS THE BEST I REMEMBER HIM FROM NIGHTMARE IN DREAMLAND!" Quite a while later the first tier list came out, I let out a satisfied and haughty snort at my own intelligence for discovering his OPness early on before everyone else. Muahahah! I am an OG MK! Since that and the whole little Ike phase, I just play so many characters so well, but my MK is bad , my Ike still glorious, though, and my Marth kills ALL the randoms easily forever. It makes the C-stick spamming Wolfs rage.

I hope to do the same thing with Smash 4, discover who is the most OP the earliest and go hard on him, then fall back to my old favorites.
Any plans for who you guys are gonna main first?

I consider Palutena to be a near 100% shoe-in. She's the best female rep candidate and has a ton of potential as seen from the "boss fight" with her in Uprising. Some people say Medusa could get in, but she's in the same boat as Phosphora, where it would be cool, but Palutena is more influencial. Plus her name is in the Japanese version, or something like that.

Do not consider anyone ever in. You NEVER KNOW UNTIL YOU KNOW, OKAY? Not even until the game data's been cracked!
No character, not even Mario, is entitled to entrance in Smash! They earned it! Not to say that Palutena won't be in, but NEVER, EVER, PLEASE, JUST DON'T say anyone is a shoe-in, ever.

 

[Deleted member]

... too ...much ... activity.

I think I'll just go make dinner and call it a night.

 

[augustoflores]

I don't really know what to feel... ummm... I was already hindered by Miyamoto's spiritual pressure, but Sakurai? I hold him in a higher regard than Miyamoto. I know what he goes through to make a game, heck, i don't even know if Miyamoto even does any art anymore so yeah, Sakurai is much more important in my eyes because he goes beyond his physical limits to make something great.

His spiritual pressure is Kenpachi Zaraki's...

My body is not ready, but I will be there, for GREATER JUSTICE!