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Morbi

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Really quick, relevancy is BS, otherwise we wouldn't have ROB, Game and Watch, the Ice Climbers, Pit (in Brawl prior to Uprising), technically anything F-Zero at this point, or heck, even Jigglypuff or Ness.
You can always stretch the definition of relevancy, as Smash relevance is the only relevance pertinent to a characters inclusion. Your 4 characters that weren't part of the original 12 are also retro, just in case you aren't aware. The prior to Uprising portion defeats the purpose of your statement in regards to Pit anyways. Is relevance BS? Not always, nothing is absolute. However, is it the only prerequisite of a character? Of course not, I didn't insinuate any such notion.
 

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I'm not really surprised by the general surprise. Lucario was close to being, if not on, the chopping block for most people.

Then again, so were Toon Link and Sonic for a while.

And Morbid, how does saying that Pit was in Brawl before Uprising made him relevant destroy my point? When Uprising came out, Kid Icarus had been dormant for 21 years. That means when Brawl came out, it had been long dead at 17-18 years.
 

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I don't think you're really in a position to tell me to "lighten up" on sexism given this is something I care about and it's not like you're doing any better with the discussion.

Rosalina forced by Nintendo? Conspiracy much? All of the characters in question are part of heavily advertised games that made a lot of money. If that isn't relevance, I don't know what is.
See, that's what I meant by lighten up, you couldn't even take a good natured joke. :troll:

All of the characters are unique and do something very different from what everyone else does. You ignored the rest of what I said too, they might have one or two yes, but you're telling me everyone on the roster is relevant? Ice Climbers? Mr. Game & Watch? R.O.B.? Even Fox isn't relevant anymore. The majority of the roster isn't relevant, not the other way around.
 

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So, when do you think we'll start seeing Mother or F-Zero stuff? Those two franchises we've seen nothing of so far.
 

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See, that's what I meant by lighten up, you couldn't even take a good natured joke. :troll:

All of the characters are unique and do something very different from what everyone else does. You ignored the rest of what I said too, they might have one or two yes, but you're telling me everyone on the roster is relevant? Ice Climbers? Mr. Game & Watch? R.O.B.? Even Fox isn't relevant anymore. The majority of the roster isn't relevant, not the other way around.
All of those characters are retros. Why must you assume Chrom will play identical to the others?

Ike isn't a sluggish, fire-brandishing warrior in FE, yet he is in Smash because he needs to stand out from Marth.

Chrom, admittedly, is overdoing it, but I never supported him in the first place.
 

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See, that's what I meant by lighten up, you couldn't even take a good natured joke. :troll:

All of the characters are unique and do something very different from what everyone else does. You ignored the rest of what I said too, they might have one or two yes, but you're telling me everyone on the roster is relevant? Ice Climbers? Mr. Game & Watch? R.O.B.? Even Fox isn't relevant anymore. The majority of the roster isn't relevant, not the other way around.
I will state this sentiment once again (however many times it takes, I suppose), Smash relevance is the only relevance that is pertinent to a characters inclusion. Fox is relevant to Smash... as Star Fox is relevant to Smash. If Smash relevance wasn't significant, we would not have gotten Game and Watch in Brawl and we will not get ROB in Smash 4. However, they are relevant to Smash, so many speculate for their return.
 

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I only considered getting Project X Zone since it has Megaman X and Tekken characters in it. I played the demos. So far it seems okay. I remember wrecking the one boss by using the Nova Strike.
 

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Why exactly were people expecting Lucario to be scrapped, again?
Well, I personally am on the assumption that not everyone from Brawl will return. Whether that will be true or not is uncertain but I just figured some would be axed, like Sonic, Snake, and Lucario, maybe even Wolf and Ike. It doesn't mean I wanted them to be, just something I was bracing myself for.
 

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I will state this sentiment once again (however many times it takes, I suppose), Smash relevance is the only relevance that is pertinent to a characters inclusion. Fox is relevant to Smash... as Star Fox is relevant to Smash. If Smash relevance wasn't significant, we would not have gotten Game and Watch in Brawl and we will not get ROB in Smash 4. However, they are relevant to Smash, so many speculate for their return.
And then Villager is based off of his City Folk incarnation instead of New Leaf and Classic MegaMan. :troll:
 

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So.... Even though Lucario is fresh and new, anyone else want Diddy asap just to get him out of the way? Reveals we just know are gonna happen, like Dedede was and Diddy is, just aren't as exciting as random reveals like Marth's.
 

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All of those characters are retros. Why must you assume Chrom will play identical to the others?

Ike isn't a sluggish, fire-brandishing warrior in FE, yet he is in Smash because he needs to stand out from Marth.

Chrom, admittedly, is overdoing it, but I never supported him in the first place.
Fox isn't retro. And that's not to mention Falco and Wolf, who also aren't "relevant" and a few other characters like Captain Falcon, who hasn't had a game in a long time. The point is that not every character is in to advertise something, this is a fighting game of favorite Nintendo characters, it also happens to be advertisement. That wasn't the intention originally. I'm pretty sure Ike does use fire in his game, it's just blue, not normal coloured. :troll:

I will state this sentiment once again (however many times it takes, I suppose), Smash relevance is the only relevance that is pertinent to a characters inclusion. Fox is relevant to Smash... as Star Fox is relevant to Smash. If Smash relevance wasn't significant, we would not have gotten Game and Watch in Brawl and we will not get ROB in Smash 4. However, they are relevant to Smash, so many speculate for their return.
Yes, these characters are relevant to Smash, oppositely of being in "for advertisement." Half of the characters are in because fans ask for them, roughly half of the other half are there for whatever reasons Sakurai himself has, and the rest are the "relevant" ones. Not counting the main characters who are supposed to be there.

Well, I personally am on the assumption that not everyone from Brawl will return. Whether that will be true or not is uncertain but I just figured some would be axed, like Sonic, Snake, and Lucario, maybe even Wolf and Ike. It doesn't mean I wanted them to be, just something I was bracing myself for.
We already have Toon Link and Lucario, two characters that everyone thought would be cut. I highly doubt anyone is going, and Snake sure as hell isn't going anywhere. I've explained this before, but the short version is that Snake is a special case, Sakurai would have to go through more trouble than it's worth to get rid of him rather than to just keep him, which would take less effort and wouldn't cause him to be in bad standings with Kojima.
 

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I couldn't even finish the game. The maps were just to freaking long to complete and it became super tedious with how super easy the game was. >_>

So I sold it.
The game was fun, but it definitely could've been much harder. The hardest level is the last one on difficulty where you actually have to really strategize. At least I got introduced to this:
I wasn't talking about the overall difficulty of the game and gameplay, I meant more in the fact that the character selection in said game was horrible, especially on SEGA's side. With the characters SEGA brought to the table, it might as well been NamcoXCapcom 2. Not to mention there were many characters from both Namco and Capcom that should've been there.
 

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Fox isn't retro. And that's not to mention Falco and Wolf, who also aren't "relevant" and a few other characters like Captain Falcon, who hasn't had a game in a long time. The point is that not every character is in to advertise something, this is a fighting game of favorite Nintendo characters, it also happens to be advertisement. That wasn't the intention originally. I'm pretty sure Ike does use fire in his game, it's just blue, not normal coloured. :troll:
I didn't mention Fox because he is a horrible example of an irrelevant character.

Smash Bros is a product. It may not be it's only purpose, but it was always a purpose.
 

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Damn, it's really freaking hard to keep up with this thread! Every minute or so a new page gets added. How much **** can you guys post, dammit! (:troll:)

On a more serious note, I'm glad Lucario is back, just hope that his aura mechanic is handled properly this time around. It was pretty moot in Brawl.
 

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I wasn't talking about the overall difficulty of the game and gameplay, I meant more in the fact that the character selection in said game was horrible, especially on SEGA's side. With the characters SEGA brought to the table, it might as well been NamcoXCapcom 2. Not to mention there were many characters from both Namco and Capcom that should've been there.
Project X zone talk huh. Not too familiar with that game :c
 

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Damn, it's really freaking hard to keep up with this thread! Every minute or so a new page gets added. How much **** can you guys post, dammit! (:troll:)

On a more serious note, I'm glad Lucario is back, just hope that his aura mechanic is handled properly this time around. It was pretty moot in Brawl.
I have a feeling that it's simply going to be a buffed version of the Brawl Aura mechanic. No major changes, just buffed.

On Poject X Zone, it seemed pretty clear that none of the companies were using animal like characters, so no Sonic or Klonoa characters. To a lesser extent I'm guessing really cartoonish looking characters like Nights and Pac-Man were given the shaft too. Likely the same reason they used Mega Man X and Zero as opposed to MegaMan and Protoman. Since the latter two are more "mature" looking in their designs. The sole exception to this seem to be the Servebots.
 

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Damn, it's really freaking hard to keep up with this thread! Every minute or so a new page gets added. How much **** can you guys post, dammit! (:troll:)

On a more serious note, I'm glad Lucario is back, just hope that his aura mechanic is handled properly this time around. It was pretty moot in Brawl.
Not surprising. Some of these people are refugees from the Roster Prediction Discussion thread. They have nowhere else to go.

I'm not expecting the Aura gimmick/mechanic to chance much.

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I guess topics change way too fast in this thread, but still my home-boy, Lucario is back in action

 
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