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This may seem like a weird time to bring up this question (because it is... sorry), but it's been on my mind on this end for a while today. Do you guys think that Megaman will stay mute this game? Or perhaps have a voice similar to that of Megaman Powered Up! or Megaman 8? He is mostly based on the games MvC1 and prior, in that so far he doesn't have any moves from 9 or 10, but it was a thought
 

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Only if he's revealed alongside Bandana Dee

:p
Sure, that'd be pretty sweet actually.

Though, seriously, we haven't had any double reveals on the site, right? It'd be cool if we do get a surprise double reveal, though I'm not expecting one.
 

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H-HOW COULD YOU CHEAT ON ME XENOBLAZE!! I... I thought we had a special relationship going...

brb having an affair with Roy
 

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Actually, I find it kinda interesting that Sakurai held off until after he stopped working on the Kirby series before adding more Kirby characters to Smash. Maybe now that he's not working on the series any more, he won't be so humble about adding more characters from it?

#totallynotgraspingatstraws
I guess it could be possible, but suspecting such really wouldn't be anything more than a guess.

Don't know, I still find the idea of lightning swift fancy sword work with inspiration from both fiction and non-fiction samurai culture and characteristics to be appealing.
Well you hold on tight to your opinion, if you're not careful you'll run into people on here who will take what you find appealing and denounce it as boring crap. We wouldn't want that, would we?

SO

Who's ready for that Nintendouji reveal tomorrow!?



Bloody hell, can't I have one night to talk about my passionate opinions to N3ON?


Don't lie. You two have such great chemistry. Especially your shared passion for Isaac. :troll:
ikr. We all know how much he likes silent protagonist samurai with swords who employ the fictional. :smirk:
 
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I am so disappointed that the Wii U has failed so badly in sales and as a gaming machine in comparison to previous consoles. After the monumental success of the Wii, Nintendo was put into the position of making one of the greatest consoles ever to be made. This generation could have seen the return of estranged core gamers as well as Nintendo building a new core fan base out of young gamers that will love Nintendo and follow them. Instead, the Wii U has disappointed at every turn and shows no sign of recovery. Now we are going to be spending the next 3-4 years wondering what Nintendo will do next while much of a gaming community laughs as them for their incompetence. We are also going to be dealing with 5+ years of fruitless PS4 vs. Xbox One arguments that will only be there for the sake of fanboys who cares more about their platform of choice winning than the state of the gaming industry. Worst of all will be the abuse of features like DLC, micro-transaction, season pass, etc.

Just needed to get this out. Thankfully, I just got out of college, so I can use this time to relax a little.
 

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I am so disappointed that the Wii U has failed so badly in sales and as a gaming machine in comparison to previous consoles. After the monumental success of the Wii, Nintendo was put into the position of making one of the greatest consoles ever to be made. This generation could have seen the return of estranged core gamers as well as Nintendo building a new core fan base out of young gamers that will love Nintendo and follow them. Instead, the Wii U has disappointed at every turn and shows no sign of recovery. Now we are going to be spending the next 3-4 years wondering what Nintendo will do next while much of a gaming community laughs as them for their incompetence. We are also going to be dealing with 5+ years of fruitless PS4 vs. Xbox One arguments that will only be there for the sake of fanboys who cares more about their platform of choice winning than the state of the gaming industry. Worst of all will be the abuse of features like DLC, micro-transaction, season pass, etc.
Actually there is some good news.

http://nintendoeverything.com/media-create-hardware-sales-122-128/

Sales in Japan have been increasing significantly.

Nothing groundbreaking. But encouraging nonetheless.
 

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Keep in mind that this is the holiday and Nintendo always does the best during these times. Unfortunately, I don't expect this to stick.
Eh.

Still encouraging.

I wonder what the American sales figures will be like...
 

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NO I AM NOT CHEATING ON YOU! I wouldn't cheat on you, especially from a person that slices her sandwiches in triangles! TRIANGLES!
But...


I am so disappointed that the Wii U has failed so badly in sales and as a gaming machine in comparison to previous consoles. After the monumental success of the Wii, Nintendo was put into the position of making one of the greatest consoles ever to be made. This generation could have seen the return of estranged core gamers as well as Nintendo building a new core fan base out of young gamers that will love Nintendo and follow them. Instead, the Wii U has disappointed at every turn and shows no sign of recovery. Now we are going to be spending the next 3-4 years wondering what Nintendo will do next while much of a gaming community laughs as them for their incompetence. We are also going to be dealing with 5+ years of fruitless PS4 vs. Xbox One arguments that will only be there for the sake of fanboys who cares more about their platform of choice winning than the state of the gaming industry. Worst of all will be the abuse of features like DLC, micro-transaction, season pass, etc.

Just needed to get this out. Thankfully, I just got out of college, so I can use this time to relax a little.
Nintendo needs to get their head out of their ass and realize it's not 1989 anymore and they can't lead the pack without adapting to the new landscape of the market. They've failed so far attracting the casual, who is more confused about the Wii U than anything (in no small part to a questionable name choice at best and a laughable attempt - or lack of attempt - at marketing the damn thing), not to mention its gimmick is a lot less instantly relatable than the Wii (plus they've done very little in the way of games that highlight asymmetrical gameplay) nor do they have instantly accessible games to the casual market on the same level as Wii Sports and Fit last time. They're also failing with the hardcore, they've done very little to entice third-parties into developing games for their system, not to mention they seemingly expected Nintendo Land and NSMBU to carry them for the better part of a year. They weren't equipped to handle their launch window or HD development, they're doing very little to re-assure the wary consumer or attract new consumers, all they have right now are the Nintendo fans, and even then the droughts between games have been harsher than normal (though to be fair that does look to change). I think they can turn it around a little should they embrace new tactics (which isn't really Nintendo's style lately) but the most they should hope for with the Wii U is Gamecube-level reception, if they're lucky a little past that. But they took too many missteps, this thing won't be winning any console generations.

So in short, for the most part, I agree. ;)
 

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Monthly. iirc Wii U is around 4 mil total, 3DS at 35 mil, and 360 at... around 100 mil? A little less? I forget that one.
Okay...

Lot better than I thought...

Whew...

Still not good, but it's enough to survive.
 

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4 mil in a whole year is pretty horrible for a launch, especially considering roughly 75% of that came from Q4 2012. When they have a bit more in the way of triple-A software out there it'll be enough to get by, but this was a terrible first year for the Wii U.

And 3D World isn't doing that much in turning it around afaik. Doesn't provide a ton of confidence for Smash and Kart, though I'm sure they'll still have a noticeable effect.
 

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At least it's selling enough to keep it going.

This holiday season will probably end up helping the Wii U's sales, though of course it'll be helping the sales of the PS4 and XboxOne too. Any boost in sales for the Wii U is good at this point though.
 

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This may not be a good time to say, but this end has been seeing alot of this sales talk for consoles as of late. Personally, I don;t give one half of a care how the console does in terms of sales (which is surely selfish of me to say... sorry) because as far as I'm concerned sales don't reflect the system's quality in actuality, nor how goods its library of games is. Even though the Wii U is lacking in sales right now, which may be a bad sign in someways, especially in terms of the state of Nintendo, as good as the DS and 3DS have been doing, and gaming in general in terms of corporation and consumer interest, I cannot deny and will argue for the fact that its library is beyond solid and great, even right now, barely a year after the thing has come out. There are alot of great NEW games, mostly by Nintendo and the supporters of the system (Ubisoft, Capcom and Sega come to mind), as well as ports of some of the best games that didn't make it before hand... there's nothing to complain about in those cases in my eyes other than the system missing, what some might consider, MORE key support than what they have already.
 

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At this point, I'm not concerned with Wii U being number one.

I'm concerned with it surviving...

Fortunately, it looks like it will have enough to survive. Hopefully, Nintendo has a better shot with this, the next generation...
 

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I don't think I've weighed in on the Wii U selling shoddily before, but one possible reason as to why is that many of the biggest games Nintendo has released for it are all at the very least superficially similar to games from the previous generation, and thus unnecessary purchases in the audience's eyes. NSMBU and 3D World are two clear culprits in that regard, and I'm almost positive Galaxy 3 would be as well. Basically, it's as though Nintendo believes its games to be movies and is keeping up with the latest trend of incessant sequel-making, not recognizing the difference in mediums and the ramifications that can have.

Maybe even that wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the positively idiotic "Wii U" name.
 

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The Wii U's name gave it a decent amount of early, unnecessay bad reputation.

A third Super Mario Galaxy wouldn't help the Wii U that much at this point, unless the gameplay has changend to offer a new and amazing experience, while also sharing enough similarites with the past two Galaxy games.
 

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At this point, I'm not concerned with Wii U being number one.

I'm concerned with it surviving...

Fortunately, it looks like it will have enough to survive. Hopefully, Nintendo has a better shot with this, the next generation...
Yeah, to be clear, I'm not concerned with Nintendo "winning" the generation either or anything, but I would like to have a system where I can enjoy a third-party title without having to invest in a whole other console.

To the Nintendo fans like us it's not a huge deal, we can subside of first-party offerings, but all those other gamers who care about more than just Mario and the occasional Zelda... it's not the most enticing of choices.

It's frustrating that Nintendo could increase the install base (and therefore expand their system's library) if they would just branch out of their isolated method of handling their consoles, yet they refuse to march to anything but the beat of their own drum, which did them well in the past (though it also caused many of their shortcomings), but imo isn't justifiable anymore to the extent Nintendo does it.

I don't think I've weighed in on the Wii U selling shoddily before, but one possible reason as to why is that many of the biggest games Nintendo has released for it are all at the very least superficially similar to games from the previous generation, and thus unnecessary purchases in the audience's eyes. NSMBU and 3D World are two clear culprits in that regard, and I'm almost positive Galaxy 3 would be as well. Basically, it's as though Nintendo believes its games to be movies and is keeping up with the latest trend of incessant sequel-making, not recognizing the difference in mediums and the ramifications that can have.

Maybe even that wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the positively idiotic "Wii U" name.
To be fair, the other game companies all do that too, but at least most of them balance that with new IPs that they actually bother promoting. Plus they don't rely so heavily on a single IP as Nintendo does with Mario.
 

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If Metaknight is going to be in the Wii U and 3DS versions, do you guys think it would be more likely for them to use the rounder, more petite and pleasant Metaknight from Return to Dreamland, or the armored, metallic and considerably gritty redesign from Super Smash Bros. Brawl?
 

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If Metaknight is going to be in the Wii U and 3DS versions, do you guys think it would be more likely for them to use the rounder, more petite and pleasant Metaknight from Return to Dreamland, or the armored, metallic and considerably gritty redesign from Super Smash Bros. Brawl?
The first one, but I would assume they'd have a mix of both classic and modern metaknight. This smash is moving away from the gritty brawl look, so its safe to assume we'd be getting some aspect of RTDL metaknight.
 

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The scary thing is I actually made grilled cheese for dinner and I sliced it in triangles... O.o

Anyway...

I'm really interested how Nintendo will handle the next gen home console. And it'd be really really interesting if they are going to merge handheld and console, creating some sort of hybrid -- something that acts as a home console and a portable handheld. Or perhaps something to integrate both systems more... Dunno why I'm even thinking this far ahead now lol. But I know the idea has been brought up before... I guess I'm just curious what will happen to Nintendo's future. Who knows which way it will go...
 

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I bet I'm the only on here that has ROB on his roster during the days when Melee was big, WAY before pre-Brawl.

I also had Sonic, Mega Man, and Pac Man

Of course, pre-Brawl he wasn't on my roster
 

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Nintendo needs to get their head out of their *** and realize it's not 1989 anymore and they can't lead the pack without adapting to the new landscape of the market. They've failed so far attracting the casual, who is more confused about the Wii U than anything (in no small part to a questionable name choice at best and a laughable attempt - or lack of attempt - at marketing the damn thing), not to mention its gimmick is a lot less instantly relatable than the Wii (plus they've done very little in the way of games that highlight asymmetrical gameplay) nor do they have instantly accessible games to the casual market on the same level as Wii Sports and Fit last time. They're also failing with the hardcore, they've done very little to entice third-parties into developing games for their system, not to mention they seemingly expected Nintendo Land and NSMBU to carry them for the better part of a year. They weren't equipped to handle their launch window or HD development, they're doing very little to re-assure the wary consumer or attract new consumers, all they have right now are the Nintendo fans, and even then the droughts between games have been harsher than normal (though to be fair that does look to change). I think they can turn it around a little should they embrace new tactics (which isn't really Nintendo's style lately) but the most they should hope for with the Wii U is Gamecube-level reception, if they're lucky a little past that. But they took too many missteps, this thing won't be winning any console generations.

So in short, for the most part, I agree. ;)
I think what's the primary culprit, besides Nintendo themselves, is that there aren't many WiiU games, if any, that you could advertise on channels like Comedy Central or Adult Swim where the adult demographic is watching TV. This is why X and Bayonetta 2 are going to have to be big players next year when it comes to advertising unless a Metroid is surprisingly unveiled. You can't get the same effect of advertising 3D World on CC as you would on Nick.

Speaking of which, I often see those WiiU commercials that talk about how it's an upgrade and not the same as the Wii. Seriously, who the hell thought WiiU was a good idea for a name? The fact that this kind of commercial had to be made is trouble. At least they didn't go with Wii+.
 
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