Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[KingofPhantoms]

I like the expressions on all their faces.

I'm gonna try to caption the pic in the morning.

 

[Oasis_S]

Back when Lucas was revealed, his "Up Until Now" was a good indication that Ness was going to return in Brawl.

How can you read "Ness was a character up until now" as a hint at his return, lol.

 

[Shroob]

How can you read "Ness was a character up until now" as a hint at his return, lol.

"There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users."

Ambiguous, but the minute I read this, I took it as "Ness is back." You could argue it for either side, and trust me, it was, but at the end of the two year wait, the Ness supporters were right in how they read it and people who kicked Ness out and mocked Ness supporters were assholes.

 

[bobadz]

I haven't cared about Ridley since Brawl days. I just find it so fascinating how people are so damn defensive over something that no one can even prove to begin with. Will he be in? Will he not? Will he be a boss or stage hazard? How should we know to be honest. I just get miffed when I see people flat out get soo defensive over something like this. I saw the backlash Brawl had, and that was not a very fun time.

One of the reasons I left the Ridley thread because of people being defensive over him. If he's not a stage hazard I suspect he'll be an assist trophy.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So

Blastoise ability doesn't effect ONLY pulse attacks. It also effects Aura attacks

...Blastoise getting AURA SPHERE!?!

Would change my mind of the ability

People are saying Blastoise doesn't have Aura Sphere.

Not only doesn't he have Aura sphere, but the only Pulse or Aura move he has is Water Pulse. I don't think it's confirmed yet

He was screwed over. Such a useless ability

 

[Shroob]

People are saying Blastoise doesn't have Aura Sphere.

Not only doesn't he have Aura sphere, but the only Pulse or Aura move he has is Water Pulse. I don't think it's confirmed yet

He was screwed over. Such a useless ability

At least Blastoise doesn't lose 50% of his health when switching into Stealth Rocks, unlike Charizard's fancy new forms.

Gamefreak plz. You nerfed Explosion, now nerf Stealth Rocks.

 

[Oasis_S]

"There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users."

Ambiguous, but the minute I read this, I took it as "Ness is back." You could argue it for either side, and trust me, it was, but at the end of the two year wait, the Ness supporters were right in how they read it and people who kicked Ness out and mocked Ness supporters were *******s.

If you can read that either way then you can read Sakurai's Pyrosphere blurb either way too.

Could have been a comment at how faithfully they recreated the stage from its source material? Who knows, take your pick, it's ambiguous right?

 

[IsmaR]

Can't muster up will nor care enough to take you seriously on this thread Chris, but click on the adorable little Ridley icon in my sig and go discuss there.

 

[Shroob]

If you can read that either way then you can read Sakurai's Pyrosphere blurb either way too.

Could have been a comment at how faithfully they recreated the stage from its source material? Who knows, take your pick, it's ambiguous right?

Which is what I said in a previous post. At the end of the day, it's really up in the air. While I don't agree that he'll be in, I'm perfectly fine with others believing he will be, I just hate being jumped on for not believing in his chances. Some people hate religions being shoved in their face, I hate people shoving their opinions as facts in my fact.

 

[Mr.Universe]

Maybe I'm looking WAY into this, but the way that Sakurai calls Mario, Megaman, and Sonic "The Trio" makes it seem like Pac-Man isn't getting in. I mean, I probably shouldn't take his Miiverse Post so literal/seriously but that's just what it seems like to me. I'm fine either way, honestly.

 

[Reznor]

Maybe I'm looking WAY into this, but the way that Sakurai calls Mario, Megaman, and Sonic "The Trio" makes it seem like Pac-Man isn't getting in. I mean, I probably shouldn't take his Miiverse Post so literal/seriously but that's just what it seems like to me. I'm fine either way, honestly.

he knows that we know Pacman is getting in smash so hes trying to throw us off track

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Maybe I'm looking WAY into this, but the way that Sakurai calls Mario, Megaman, and Sonic "The Trio" makes it seem like Pac-Man isn't getting in. I mean, I probably shouldn't take his Miiverse Post so literal/seriously but that's just what it seems like to me. I'm fine either way, honestly.

No Snake?

 

[Oasis_S]

DON'T WANNA BE JUMPED ON THAT'S TOO BAD BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE A GOD DAMN DIVING BOARD TO ME AND FROM YOU I'M GONNA HOP INTO THE POOL OF POOPY OPINIONS WE CALL SMASHBOARDS.

*SPLASH*

 

[Shroob]

DON'T WANNA BE JUMPED ON THAT'S TOO BAD BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE A GOD DAMN DIVING BOARD TO ME AND FROM YOU I'M GONNA HOP INTO THE POOL OF POOPY OPINIONS WE CALL SMASHBOARDS.

*SPLASH*

Pool, you say?

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Maybe I'm looking WAY into this, but the way that Sakurai calls Mario, Megaman, and Sonic "The Trio" makes it seem like Pac-Man isn't getting in. I mean, I probably shouldn't take his Miiverse Post so literal/seriously but that's just what it seems like to me. I'm fine either way, honestly.

Well they are the trio. They're the Tree Kings of Platforming, after all. They're also the 3 biggest names in gaming that have lived out the longest in constant popularity and publicity for 3 different companies. besides, it's not like there was any actual hint of Pac-Man getting in. Sakurai himself hasn't brought him up on his own even once. If this is how it turns out, I'll be happy. I got the big trio I wanted. <3

On a completely different topic, everyone remember this recent pic?

Spoiler

Well yeaaaah...

Spoiler

 

[Reznor]

Well they are the trio. They're the Tree Kings of Platforming, after all. They're also the 3 biggest names in gaming that have lived out the longest in constant popularity and publicity for 3 different companies. besides, it's not like there was any actual hint of Pac-Man getting in. Sakurai himself hasn't brought him up on his own even once. If this is how it turns out, I'll be happy. I got the big trio I wanted. <3

On a completely different topic, everyone remember this recent pic?

Spoiler

Well yeaaaah...

Spoiler

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well they are the trio. They're the Tree Kings of Platforming, after all. They're also the 3 biggest names in gaming that have lived out the longest in constant popularity and publicity for 3 different companies. besides, it's not like there was any actual hint of Pac-Man getting in. Sakurai himself hasn't brought him up on his own even once. If this is how it turns out, I'll be happy. I got the big trio I wanted. <3

On a completely different topic, everyone remember this recent pic?

Spoiler

Well yeaaaah...

Spoiler

Like the Lion King vid.


But the two pics....errrm, I think I need some Brain Bleach.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

And why do you automatically assume I don't want Latios to get one?

I don't have to say "Latios AND Latias" since I only like one of the two. XD


I'd expect both to get one and my post I quoted states them both being confirmed.

Uh, fair enough. I may have misread your post there a bit then.

One of the reasons I left the Ridley thread because of people being defensive over him. If he's not a stage hazard I suspect he'll be an assist trophy.

Guess you shouldn't go to ANY character support thread then, because that's what supporters will usually do; defend a character they want.

As for assist trophy, based on Brawl data Ridley was considered for being one at some point but Sakurai obviously changed his mind and made him two bosses at the time instead. Don't see why he would go back to making him an assist trophy now. It seems to be either stage hazard or playable, or maybe boss again, but current evidence points more to the former two.

 

[Oddyesy]

Well they are the trio. They're the Tree Kings of Platforming, after all. They're also the 3 biggest names in gaming that have lived out the longest in constant popularity and publicity for 3 different companies. besides, it's not like there was any actual hint of Pac-Man getting in. Sakurai himself hasn't brought him up on his own even once. If this is how it turns out, I'll be happy. I got the big trio I wanted. <3

On a completely different topic, everyone remember this recent pic?

Spoiler

Well yeaaaah...

Spoiler

Is my little Nintendo growing up? Is it finally embracing bestiality, as I've tried to teach it all this years? It brings a tear to my eyes...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I approve of the purple duo. Interspecies Romance isn't even weird by this point. If Peach and Bowser are anything to go by...

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I approve of the purple duo. Interspecies Romance isn't even weird by this point. If Peach and Bowser are anything to go by...

Spoiler

Or Sonic and Peach if you remember a few months back. lol

 

[FalKoopa]

Today's picture... was kind of inevitable. I knew we were going to get a picture showing off all three at some point.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Today's picture... was kind of inevitable. I knew we were going to get a picture showing off all three at some point.

Well, they're the trifecta of relevant gaming icons that have actual popular games. For that matter, they fully represent a Company each as well, which all have had a history of really goddamn awesome games. Namco-Bandai has had its selection too, no doubt. But some would argue Tales Of, Tekken, or Soul Calibur is way better than Pac-Man, not to mention they're just as popular and relevant. Meaning that Paccy has to go against 3 different series to compete. That's not including Bandai stuff like Digimon, not that that has done well on the Gaming front, though. Pac-Man has nothing on those 3, and his only relevant games are his old arcade ones. The rest had low popularity and didn't go very far. A lot don't even know of Pac-Man 2 or World as a series. Which says a lot. People can point out other relevant Mario and Sonic games. MegaMan has had a ton of well-received games throughout the ages. Legends, ZX, etc. People are only mad at Capcom for not putting MegaMan into MvC3 and for cancelling Legends 3, but otherwise, MegaMan still had a lot going for him. In the last ten years, that is. Which is far more relevant.

If Pac-Man's other games were popular at all, maybe he could be on their level, but he wasn't even among the first set of Games. Pong came before him and helped start the era. I wouldn't dare to call Pac-Man the father of gaming icons, or gaming in general. He represents Arcade Gaming, but Mario still took it further too. Probably the only decently relevant Pac-Man game, where he's playable in, that had any popularity known, was the Mario Kart GP games, and even then, that's because of being in a Mario game. Not by doing it himself. So his notability isn't on their level regardless, and until Pac-Man releases some actual popular games again that isn't a rehash of his arcade games, he'll never reach their level. He deserves credit for making Arcade games, notable, but that's where it ends.

 

[Moon Monkey]

It wouldn't be a fighting game unless someone had a dive kick.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It wouldn't be a fighting game unless someone had a dive kick.

It'd be better if Sonic wasn't using Shadow Rocket, though. Sonic Rocket is a similar move, but he doesn't go downwards. I wouldn't mind if he spun downwards like his Bounce Attack instead. Minus the bounce itself.

Then again, a lot of character use moves from other characters. Ness and Lucas are yet another example.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

It wouldn't be a fighting game unless someone had a dive kick.

Speaking of which, there's a fighting game called Dive Kick where characters can basically literally do nothing but dive kicks. The extreme simplicity of it I guess is to kinda poke fun at some other fighters out there.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Speaking of which, there's a fighting game called Dive Kick where characters can basically literally do nothing but dive kicks. The extreme simplicity of it I guess is to kinda poke fun at some other fighters out there.

Does it have underwater combat where you can kick at least?

 

[Moon Monkey]

It'd be better if Sonic wasn't using Shadow Rocket, though. Sonic Rocket is a similar move, but he doesn't go downwards. I wouldn't mind if he spun downwards like his Bounce Attack instead. Minus the bounce itself.

Then again, a lot of character use moves from other characters. Ness and Lucas are yet another example.

I always assumed it was the move Sonic used in Sonic Battle Advance

 

[Oddyesy]

I always assumed it was the move Sonic used in Sonic Battle Advance

Dude Sonic Battle was the bomb.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I always assumed it was the move Sonic used in Sonic Battle Advance

That's Sonic Rocket. He stays fully in the air and doesn't go towards the ground specifically during it. Shadow Rocket is the move Sonic does in Brawl, which is pretty accurate, albeit, the animation is near identical, while the properties of Sonic's Air Down A is a little different.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Does it have underwater combat where you can kick at least?

Dunno, but the characters, "gameplay", and stuff listed kinda gives you an idea of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divekick

 

[Oddyesy]

I love DPs, but sometimes they just need to leave me alone.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Dunno, but the characters, "gameplay", and stuff listed kinda gives you an idea of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divekick

Ah. Huh.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Does Sonic fly down into the ground during it? Because that's Sonic Rocket, a similar move, which is a stationary aerial move. Shadow Rocket is the same move, but he does an actual dive kick.

I believe it didn't have any affect on his air momentum, meaning he did the motion but it doesn't send you down unless you were already on your way down.
It could be a move alter kinda like what they did for Megamans Up + Air *shrugs*

Speaking of Sonic's moves I hope they replace one of his Spin dash attacks. It's was pretty lame having 2 of the same moves with different inputs

 

[Ridley_Prime]

... Now part of me wants there to be a Smash mod or something where you can only do a downward aerial on opponents and every character would have the same one (everyone having Capt Falcon's d-air or something, I dunno. One that isn't too broken but looks remotely like a dive kick).

Dive Kick: Smash Bros edition

Would have the most in-depth gameplay ever, ever, ever!

Oh, and you would only be able to dive kick items like Mr. Saturn or Bob-omb instead of being able to pick 'em up and throw, so good luck there!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I believe it didn't have any affect on his air momentum, meaning he did the motion but it doesn't send you down unless you were already on your way down.
It could be a move alter kinda like what they did for Megamans Up + Air *shrugs*

Speaking of Sonic's moves I hope they replace one of his Spin dash attacks. It's was pretty lame having 2 of the same moves with different inputs

I misread your first post. See my edit. Yeah, it's Shadow Rocket, just slightly different in overall move properties. Shadow Rocket doesn't actually have an impact animation. The hit itself appears more like a weak jab instead of a powerful strike.

Shadow Rocket and Sonic Rocket have a similar type of kick design, but just like in Brawl, Shadow turns around during it and flies downwards. Sonic himself can't do that type of move in any given game on his own. Or with partners. It's nice to see him borrowing from Shadow. Notably, his only unique costume changes his coloring to a darker one. Subtle Dark Sonic reference?

 

[Moon Monkey]

I misread your first post. See my edit. Yeah, it's Shadow Rocket, just slightly different in overall move properties. Shadow Rocket doesn't actually have an impact animation. The hit itself appears more like a weak jab instead of a powerful strike.

Shadow Rocket and Sonic Rocket have a similar type of kick design, but just like in Brawl, Shadow turns around during it and flies downwards. Sonic himself can't do that type of move in any given game on his own. Or with partners. It's nice to see him borrowing from Shadow. Notably, his only unique costume changes his coloring to a darker one. Subtle Dark Sonic reference?

Shadow Alt. Costume hinted.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Shadow Alt. Costume hinted.

I almost said that, but then I realized that that was probably more of a subtle reference to either Dark Super Sonic, or the fact Sonic has had evil clones among many series. A light reference to Shadow works as well.

His costumes are Black, Yellow, Blue, Green, Red. They're mostly subtle armbands, besides Black, which darkens his fur. All of them can be noted to even Sonic Adventure-like colors. Yellow for Tails, Green for Gamma, Red for Knuckles, Black for Shadow, and blue for himself. I'm guessing they're no Pink color since the usual costumes have shades of Red. Green may just be a reference to Jet instead. Likewise, all of them are major protagonists minus Gamma, while Jet is considered a main character among the series as well. Albeit, only in the Sonic Riders stuff. The other 3 have their own full games.(I have yet to play Knuckles' Chaotix, but I loved Tails Adventure and Shadow The Hedgehog, which were extremely fun games with great gameplay and music. Both had reasonable challenge as well)

 

[Berserker.]

Holy crap

 

[Smashiny]

Well, they're the trifecta of relevant gaming icons that have actual popular games. For that matter, they fully represent a Company each as well, which all have had a history of really goddamn awesome games. Namco-Bandai has had its selection too, no doubt. But some would argue Tales Of, Tekken, or Soul Calibur is way better than Pac-Man, not to mention they're just as popular and relevant. Meaning that Paccy has to go against 3 different series to compete. That's not including Bandai stuff like Digimon, not that that has done well on the Gaming front, though. Pac-Man has nothing on those 3, and his only relevant games are his old arcade ones. The rest had low popularity and didn't go very far. A lot don't even know of Pac-Man 2 or World as a series. Which says a lot. People can point out other relevant Mario and Sonic games. MegaMan has had a ton of well-received games throughout the ages. Legends, ZX, etc. People are only mad at Capcom for not putting MegaMan into MvC3 and for cancelling Legends 3, but otherwise, MegaMan still had a lot going for him. In the last ten years, that is. Which is far more relevant.

If Pac-Man's other games were popular at all, maybe he could be on their level, but he wasn't even among the first set of Games. Pong came before him and helped start the era. I wouldn't dare to call Pac-Man the father of gaming icons, or gaming in general. He represents Arcade Gaming, but Mario still took it further too. Probably the only decently relevant Pac-Man game, where he's playable in, that had any popularity known, was the Mario Kart GP games, and even then, that's because of being in a Mario game. Not by doing it himself. So his notability isn't on their level regardless, and until Pac-Man releases some actual popular games again that isn't a rehash of his arcade games, he'll never reach their level. He deserves credit for making Arcade games, notable, but that's where it ends.

Pac-Man was the Mario of his era (THE icon of gaming in general), in my opinion he is well deserving of a spot in the new smash.
And he's still one of the best known video game icons to date, better known than Sonic and Megaman.
And besides, the original and Ms. Pac-Man are timeless, I still enjoy them to this day...

If namco had to put one in, it would definitely be pac...
I didn't even know about the existence of the tales games before I joined Smashboards.