Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Ridley_Prime]

Eh hyper is a woman bro.

Ah, sorry. Guess I'm still getting to know some people here.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ah, sorry. Guess I'm still getting to know some people here.

Tis alright. I didn't even notice that bit at that time. Too busy thanking you for being very respectful.

If I'm trolling, I'll use the troll smiley or specify. I wasn't trolling earlier regardless.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I thought Hyper was either some kind of Falcon or a Bass

Maybe some kind of Falcon-Bass hybrid

kinda like this. But a different bird-fish hybrid

 

[Aurane]

Eh hyper is a woman bro.

Oh. I feel like a jackass. I did not know that. Sorry, Hyper.

 

[Oasis_S]

All I care about for characters is that they're unique, fun to play as, and are in good, fun, yet deep taste for what they reference in their moves from their series.

EDIT: In the cases where it fits, that is, for the references. In my opinion, R.O.B was a GREAT character, but only had one real "Nintendo" moves, and that was with his Gyros, yet he turned out good, too. Sorry for the miswording

*VOMITS ON YOU LIKE A BUNCH AS THOUGH THIS WAS FAMILY GUY OR SOMETHING AND I'M SURE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE REALLY FUNNY BUT NO IT'S JUST STUPID AND GROSS*

 

[Berserker.]

While it sucks that Toon Link was as much of a clone in Brawl, at least he was fun to play as (I can't say that about most of the Brawl cast), which to me is still the most important thing. If a character is totally unique but is boring to play as, it is wasted potential IMO (until a sequel, patches, or mods fix that at least).

As for what Toon Link's moveset, I doubt he'll have new weapons (I don't really see a need for them), but I think he'll have a lot of new moves, and his swordplay style will more resemble what Toon Link looks like in the Wind Waker (HD).

In my estimations, Toon Link, like Peach, is incomplete. I gotta say, the pose Toon Link makes in my avatar gives me hope that he'll be unique (that is a stance he specifically uses in the Wind Waker). I think Sakurai and co. want to add some more "Wind Waker-ness" to Toon Link, like his acrobatic swordplay, crazy Super Spin attack, various special techniques, and crazy counters, but Sakurai and co. might not be able to with time restraints.

Oh, and giving Toon Link animations and attacks with sword-like items like when he grabs such weapons in the Wind Waker would be AMAZING!!!

#SmashWiiUand3DSFor2015 #WhyIWantThat

Snake owns Toon Link (Sort of). Bring it on

Oh wait, I'm in the continent of the turtles (Gaming definition of turtle. Guess what? Not all asians play defensive. MarlinPie from MvC3 for example and many more. Sooo, no... It's not the continent of the turtles I guess.)

...Isn't ban-evading against the rules?

You could also attempt to contribute something worthwhile here and there. It's mostly just spam/irrelevant crap and silly pictures.

...Which is still the case. :/

And yeah, sorry, but as long as Toad has unique moves from Mario, Luigi, Bowser, and Peach in Smash, he's unique enough for Smash itself. Want to know what move he has in the Parties that they all have had? The Buttstomp. That's it of notable ones(and only Bowser has that of the main Mario cast). I really don't buy that Toad can't be separated or unique from the rest of the playable Mario set(that is, the 4 currently there) at all. I still find that a giant load of crock, and referencing other "possible" characters as if they are relevant, who aren't even playable in Smash, won't change that. Who cares if Toad has the same move as Waluigi. Is Waluigi in Smash? No? That don't bother. Irrelevant. Does Toad have tons of move choices that aren't among the Mario 4 in Smash? Yes? Then there's no problem.

The not being unique argument never worked for Toad, and it's been shown multiple times it was a bad premise. Especially when you're referencing moves that aren't even used by the SSB Core Mario cast. -_-

*shrug*

Sure it's because it's Mario and because it's Mario there's not much to work with but.... Hmmmm.... I'm not really into this stuff. Just hyper falcon punch your way through this. It's just Johnknight anyway (You try to attack me johnknight, imma pull out my LONG snake)

unless of course Sakurai has some very specific Toad-centric ideas in mind.

He's the guy who gave Toad spore powers first to pretty much any Nintendo employee existing right now and that was the reference being used for Mario Sports Mix so.......... *shrug again* yeah? *rolls to the sunset into Mexico and renames himself to El Magnifico*

I keep hearing notes where Sakurai hates Toad.

I don't remember that being said by him. No evidence of the sorts has been shown yet. If anything, Sakurai hates---- Err... I don't wanna say the names.

John's kind of dumb, like, most of the time.

Just kind of.

I dunno.

Wait it out.

Endure.

Stay Strong.

Respect one man's opinion. Let's all be friends *Raises shield*

It's just up in the air whether Sakurai would blatantly show off the commonly-known Toad as an attack, like he did before Melee and Brawl, and yet still be hiding newcomer Toad for a later reveal. I expect, if "Blue Toad" isn't shown in December, fewer people will try justifying that possibility.

'Tis

You disg-vomitsinmouthalittle-ust me.

You-sa-funny.

****. Time to run. Star Wars fans are coming. I'm so ashamed.

Johnknight vs Falcon

Keep it clean :|

 

[Oasis_S]

Respect one man's opinion. Let's all be friends *Raises shield*

Oi oi (that's what badasses in animes say), consideration is all I can give. AND IF I CONSIDER ONE MAN'S OPINION TRASH, THEN ALL I CAN OFFER IS PITY.

*does that thing where shade covers my face around my eyes, or like, weird lines or whatever cover it instead, but my eyes aren't covered they just look badass and it's supposed to convey conviction. Dunno where the shade comes from, it can happen in well-lit locations. I bet if you asked animegod why that is he'd probably look at you and say "just because" and he'd give that same damn expression this whole tirade is about."

 

[Johnknight1]

Wait, that ban comment all those pages back was directed at me=???

What did I do=???

Eh hyper is a woman bro.

Johnknight1 is a Batman.

I still say we get rid of the series icons and replace them with individual character icons like the Mario sports games have

They are there for promotional purposes only pretty much. Part of the reason Smash is so good for Nintendo is that it is free promotion for practically all of their IP's.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The ban comment was at deathconsciousness. Not you.

But seriously, quit with the inflammatory responses, John. Not cool, man.

Series icons aren't going away, they're a major part of Smash and are for more than that. The entire game is organized around the franchises. The series symbols are there to show off how the Music Menu works, the Stages, what characters rep what series, even the Trophies. They're just too important to be gone.

 

[Berserker.]

Johnknight1 is a Batman.

No. Batman is Batman. Just ask him (Too much HISHE videos).

Because I'm batman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B96ctffVp8

 

[FalKoopa]

Finally got time to make myself a new avatar.

Today's picture is almose guarenteed to be Toon Link, let's see if there is any luigification.

 

[Johnknight1]

No. Batman is Batman. Just ask him (Too much HISHE videos).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B96ctffVp8

Batman is Batman and Batman is Johnknight1 and Johnknight1 is Johnknight1 and Johnknight1 is Batman.

There.

Does it make Batman Johnknight1 Batman sense to you Johnknight1=???

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I doubt we'll see Toon Link change that much.

His moveset in Brawl was entirely functional, so no need to change in that regard.

Balancing doesn't seem to be an issue. At least from what we know.

His playstyle and attacks while similar in appearance are very different from Link's in how they behave, so he doesn't need to be changed for that.

The only real reason left that Sakurai might change him is just to make Toon Link even more unique for uniqueness sake. Meaning that clone nazis got to him. And I doubt that happened.

I'm gonna go and predict that Toon Link won't be changed much if at all. It's not a bad thing, just a tad disappointing.

 

[Berserker.]

Curses. Doubt post.

No ****s to give? Unlegit double post then.

Batman is Batman and Batman is Johnknight1 and Johnknight1 is Johnknight1 and Johnknight1 is Batman.

There.

Does it make Batman Johnknight1 Batman sense to you Johnknight1=???

Oh wow, I actually see the logic :O

And I'm Berserker01 and Berserker01 is Christian Bale and Christian Bale is Bruce Wayne and Bruce Wayne is Batman and Batman is Batman and Johnknight is Johnknight and Johnknight is batman which means Berserker is Batman who is Johnknight thus I am you.

 

[Baskerville]

Batman is Batman and Batman is Johnknight1 and Johnknight1 is Johnknight1 and Johnknight1 is Batman.

There.

Does it make Batman Johnknight1 Batman sense to you Johnknight1=???

Oh wow, I actually see the logic :O

And I'm Berserker01 and Berserker01 is Christian Bale and Christian Bale is Bruce Wayne and Bruce Wayne is Batman and Batman is Batman and Johnknight is Johnknight and Johnknight is batman which means Berserker is Batman who is Johnknight thus I am you.

....Stop

 

[Aurane]

If Ridley does get confirmed to be playable, his entrance should be something like this for every battle. Seriously badass entrance in Other M.

 

[Johnknight1]

Anyone else notice that all the good updates are on Thursday=???

Toon Link is like the trillionth character confirmed on Thursday.

Toon Link's reveal was actually exactly 2 weeks after Peach's reveal.

And I'm Berserker01 and Berserker01 is Christian Bale and Christian Bale is Bruce Wayne and Bruce Wayne is Batman and Batman is Batman and Johnknight is Johnknight and Johnknight is batman which means Berserker is Batman who is Johnknight thus I am you.

Because science.
\\

 

[bobadz]

 

[bobadz]

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Toon Link's shield looks nice on this.

---

 

[bobadz]

His bombs are smaller.

 

[FalKoopa]

Today's pic is ... Filler again. (-_-)

 

[bobadz]

Also you can pick up toon links bombs. Could you do that before?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Also you can pick up toon links bombs. Could you do that before?

Pretty sure you could do that since the first Smash Bros game.

 

[Alzi]

I am glad those people who are saying "lol toon link what a waste of character slot / clone" aren't the people behind the smash team.

Sakurai and his team are trying to get as many characters as they can into the game before the deadline. Characters like Toon Link would be much easier to bring into the game with very small amount of time spent on them. For those who are complaining he hasn't changed in terms of move set have to remember that his move set isn't set in stone right now and could change in time for development. In fact what they have done keeping his move set the same (from what we have seen anyway) is a smart choice time wise, once they find out they have more time then they will be adjusting things like this. You have to imagine what hard working environment Sakurai and his team are in at the moment, mainly because there is an estimated release date they should have the game finished by.

And yes this toon link love may seem biased based on my avie but:

 

[KingofPhantoms]

So we got a funny filler.

Meh, we DID get a Toon Link reveal just yesterday. I won't expect much to be shown next week.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Hey, it's not just filler. It confirms that he's still kept his bomb special instead of something else like a bombchu or any other revised special specific to Toon Link. I think it's basically the nail in the coffin on discussion of any luigification happening...

Sigh. I was really pretty hopeful, guys. At least TL's back again, but... augh. It makes me significantly less optimistic about Ganondorf seeing any meaningful changes as well.

 

[Frostwraith]

Today's picture suggests that Toon Link has the same special moves, meaning he will still be a clone.

Still, there may be some changes we still don't know of. I think the Skull Hammer could work as a side Smash.

Even if he remains a clone, I won't complain since there's nothing I win with that. At least, Toon Link returned, when he could have been cut.

 

[Vintage Creep]

I hope at least the final smash is different.

 

[FalKoopa]

We didn't see anything new today, did we? The bomb was confirmed yesterday already, on Toon Link's dojo page.

I still think we'll see changes in his normal and aerial attacks, but not his specials.

 

[Vintage Creep]

We didn't see anything new today, did we? The bomb was confirmed yesterday already, on Toon Link's dojo page.

I still think we'll see changes in his normal and aerial attacks, but not his specials.

We got a pic with him, DK and Link. Nothing new but still funny.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Sigh. I was really pretty hopeful, guys. At least TL's back again, but... augh. It makes me significantly less optimistic about Ganondorf seeing any meaningful changes as well.

Sakurai commented on the Brawl site that it was kind of a "rule" that Toon Link had the same specials as Link, and it makes sense too, even if he has much more potential. If they can rework Bowser, then I'm sure they can rework Ganondorf too, because it's not necessary for Toon Link to get a rework, but it's necessary for Bowser and Ganondorf to make them act more like their true selfs (and for balancing's sake in Bowser's case.)

 

[Fastblade5035]

Meh, I don't think its too unlikely for Toon Link to get some new moves by the end of the game.
Even aesthetic changes are possible (Replacing Hookshot with the Grapple Hook)
Plus, we haven't even seen Link OR Toon Link's side special, so ,maybe something is going on with the boomerang.

 

[BKupa666]

I wonder if Toon Link can use rope and lamp oil too...

 

[Arcadenik]

Sakurai's only reason we ever found for not putting Toad in, and this is paraphrased is, "He's not violent enough." Uniqueness was never a damn issue. And never will be. And Toad can be quite violent... considering the shows, spin-off games(not made by Nintendo), Parties, Karts, and even the damn Kart Fighter.

Source for the bolded?

Even if that's true, well... that all changed after Brawl came out... pre-Brawl, Toad might be "not violent enough" since he and his people always stayed on the sidelines except for SMB2 (but it was all a dream but it shouldn't matter because of Peach's vegetables and floating jump and now Luigi's flutter jump), Wario's Woods (which is barely acknowledged in Smash), and spin-off games (but everyone are pretty much equal in those games anyway)... but post-Brawl? Toad and his people started getting into action in the main Mario games (NSMBWii, NSMBU, NSLU, SM3DW) while retaining the same roles as in pre-Brawl Mario games. I'd say Toad is now as violent as Mario and Luigi if not more violent than Villager.

Toad's moveset could be taking abilities that Mario, Luigi, Peach, and himself did in the Mario games... except Toad's moveset includes abilities that Mario, Luigi, and Peach are not going to use in Smash. Examples:

Spoiler

Peach pulls out vegetables in SMB2 so she does that in Smash. Toad pulls out vegetables in SMB2 (just like Mario, Luigi, and Peach do) but he isn't going to do that in Smash. He could instead pull out GIANT vegetables in Smash because that's what he (and his friends) did in Super Mario Advance... but Peach isn't going to pull out giant vegetables. Mario and Luigi don't pull out vegetables, let alone giant vegetables, in Smash. Hey, it ideally illustrates Toad's rumored superhuman strength like Toad's trophies say.

Mario and Luigi throw fireballs in most main Mario games so they do that in Smash. Peach now throws fireballs in Super Mario 3D World. Toad can throw fireballs in the newer main Mario games but he isn't going to do that in Smash. He could instead throw iceballs in Smash because that's what his people (and the Mario Bros.) did in New Super Mario Bros. games... but Mario and Luigi aren't going to throw iceballs in Smash. Hell, Peach isn't even going to throw fireballs in Smash anyway.

Mario and Luigi can jump and punch in most main Mario games so they do that in Smash. Blue Toad and Yellow Toad can do the same in the newer main Mario games but the playable Toad isn't going to do that in Smash. Toad could instead use the Propeller Mushroom to fly in Smash because that's what his people (and the Mario Bros.) did in the Wii / Wii U games... but Mario and Luigi aren't going to use Propeller Mushrooms in Smash.

Also, Toon Link proved that similar characters can be in two places at the same time. The Toon Link from Wind Waker is playable but the Toon Link from Spirit Tracks is in the background of the Spirit Train stage. Following that logic, THE Toad (Kinopio) could be playable while A Toad (Kino) is part of Peach's moveset. But even then, Nintendo started calling all A Toads "Kinopio" instead of "Kino" lately in the newer Mario games. Look at the Japanese websites... Blue Toad is "Ao Kinopio", Yellow Toad is "Kiro Kinopio", A Toad (generic Toads who you must rescue in some levels) is called "Kinopio", and THE Toad is still called "Kinopio". So, it doesn't even matter if THE Toad is both playable and part of Peach's moveset either.

 

[Rasumii]

I wish, well hope, Toon Link has a move with the Deku Leaf.

 

[Berserker.]

Source for the bolded?

Even if that's true, well... that all changed after Brawl came out... pre-Brawl, Toad might be "not violent enough" since he and his people always stayed on the sidelines except for SMB2 (but it was all a dream but it shouldn't matter because of Peach's vegetables and floating jump and now Luigi's flutter jump), Wario's Woods (which is barely acknowledged in Smash), and spin-off games (but everyone are pretty much equal in those games anyway)... but post-Brawl? Toad and his people started getting into action in the main Mario games (NSMBWii, NSMBU, NSLU, SM3DW) while retaining the same roles as in pre-Brawl Mario games. I'd say Toad is now as violent as Mario and Luigi if not more violent than Villager.

Toad's moveset could be taking abilities that Mario, Luigi, Peach, and himself did in the Mario games... except Toad's moveset includes abilities that Mario, Luigi, and Peach are not going to use in Smash. Examples:

Spoiler

Peach pulls out vegetables in SMB2 so she does that in Smash. Toad pulls out vegetables in SMB2 (just like Mario, Luigi, and Peach do) but he isn't going to do that in Smash. He could instead pull out GIANT vegetables in Smash because that's what he (and his friends) did in Super Mario Advance... but Peach isn't going to pull out giant vegetables. Mario and Luigi don't pull out vegetables, let alone giant vegetables, in Smash. Hey, it ideally illustrates Toad's rumored superhuman strength like Toad's trophies say.

Mario and Luigi throw fireballs in most main Mario games so they do that in Smash. Peach now throws fireballs in Super Mario 3D World. Toad can throw fireballs in the newer main Mario games but he isn't going to do that in Smash. He could instead throw iceballs in Smash because that's what his people (and the Mario Bros.) did in New Super Mario Bros. games... but Mario and Luigi aren't going to throw iceballs in Smash. Hell, Peach isn't even going to throw fireballs in Smash anyway.

Mario and Luigi can jump and punch in most main Mario games so they do that in Smash. Blue Toad and Yellow Toad can do the same in the newer main Mario games but the playable Toad isn't going to do that in Smash. Toad could instead use the Propeller Mushroom to fly in Smash because that's what his people (and the Mario Bros.) did in the Wii / Wii U games... but Mario and Luigi aren't going to use Propeller Mushrooms in Smash.

Also, Toon Link proved that similar characters can be in two places at the same time. The Toon Link from Wind Waker is playable but the Toon Link from Spirit Tracks is in the background of the Spirit Train stage. Following that logic, THE Toad (Kinopio) could be playable while A Toad (Kino) is part of Peach's moveset. But even then, Nintendo started calling all A Toads "Kinopio" instead of "Kino" lately in the newer Mario games. Look at the Japanese websites... Blue Toad is "Ao Kinopio", Yellow Toad is "Kiro Kinopio", A Toad (generic Toads who you must rescue in some levels) is called "Kinopio", and THE Toad is still called "Kinopio". So, it doesn't even matter if THE Toad is both playable and part of Peach's moveset either.

I smell somethin' brewin' (Oh wait, that's my nice warm soup >_>)


Well. I'm leaving the fighting to you. I'll assist when it gets too hot.

 

[Arcadenik]

I wish, well hope, Toon Link has a move with the Deku Leaf.

I hope Toon Link gets:

- Fire & Ice Arrows (B)
- Skull Hammer (Side Special OR Smash Forward)
- Deku Leaf (Up Special after sword spin OR Side Special)
- Four Swords (Final Smash)

But I know that's not going to happen because Sakurai has to adhere to his self-imposed arbitrary rule about child Links having to be the same as adult Links in spite of the fact he said he wanted characters to be unique so that the roster has diversity.

It is so ironic that I am slightly disappointed that one of my mains didn't get cut.

 

[Oddyesy]

I hope Toon Link gets:

- Fire & Ice Arrows (B)
- Skull Hammer (Side Special OR Smash Forward)
- Deku Leaf (Up Special after sword spin OR Side Special)
- Four Swords (Final Smash)

But I know that's not going to happen because Sakurai has to adhere to his self-imposed arbitrary rule about child Links having to be the same as adult Links in spite of the fact he said he wanted characters to be unique so that the roster has diversity.

It is so ironic that I am slightly disappointed that one of my mains didn't get cut.

Dat Final Smash. I support it wholeheartedly. I swear, that thing would be the best. Would it be like the ICs x2 or just like Assist trophies? I'd like it to be the ICs. Perhaps Ezlo could be like Peach's Parasol or something.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Yeah, today wasn't anything too special... but I really love how expressive the screenshots can really get. Much more than Brawl ever did.

Arcadenik: I think if anyone would become unique it's the Link in the newest games, meanwhile Tink might always stay as the (better) traditional one for some reason. But ah well.

(BTW today's my birthday)