Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Oasis_S]

John's kind of dumb, like, most of the time.

Just kind of.

I dunno.

Wait it out.

Endure.

Stay Strong.

 

[DeadlyAllianceLeader]

If I had to pick one Mario Rep, just from my point of view, it would be Waluigi. Sure, he doesn't have anything to show for the main series, heck, he's never EVER so far even been in a main series game, but that leads into the idea of him being a Mario spin off rep rather than a Mario Rep.

... and... that actually sounds really COOL! Like, a really great idea in my opinion! The Mario spinoffs deserve good showcasing next to the games themselves, and what better character than Waluigi himself? Heck, Mario KART already has a stage in Brawl, they're already one step in as far as it and its features, including music, go. Not to mention how being a Spin off rep has so much potential for moveset! There's Tennis, which Waluigi first appeared in and used as his staple in Brawl, but there's also Golf, Party, Kart, Pinball, Basketball, Baseball, A crossover with Sonic the Hedgehog charcters, HOT DAMN, is that all neat. Plus they can really play up his lankiness, with ranged normal moves, or at least Mid-range

 

[Johnknight1]

Pokemon X&Y is going to correlate to Mewtwo being revealed, come on now. I mean, Mewtwo is the hottest thing right.

I agree that this should happen, yet I disagree that this will happen.

I think Sakurai and co. will "save" Mewtwo's reveal for a "big moment," even though we are all pretty sure Mewtwo is coming back.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

How does Toon Link's reveal improve Toad's chances whatsoever? I still fail to see the logic. Toad is already a part of Peach's moveset, that is a different scenario than Toon Link simply appearing in the Spirit Tracks stage.

 

[Starphoenix]

Welp, see you all in a couple weeks for the Mewtwo reveal.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

How does Toon Link's reveal improve Toad's chances whatsoever? I still fail to see the logic. Toad is already a part of Peach's moveset, that is a different scenario than Toon Link simply appearing in the Spirit Tracks stage.

It proves that simply because a character is in one location in the game does not meant what so ever that they can't be elsewhere as well.

I mean we make such a big deal out of this, when if you want to be that purist about it you should just take out the option to have people be able to play the same character against one another.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sakurai and his team did say they are thinking of putting Mewtwo in, although the article only showed his Mega Mewtwo Y forme, so...

X/Y notably has Mewtwo have two separate Mega Evolutions. This could be a perfect time to show him off, since he's relevant in different ways to both versions. Lucario and Jigglypuff are relevant for different reasons, but they're equal to each copy(this may depend upon how you can catch them in the games, though). Pokemon Trainer is only relevant due to Charizard, but that's it.

I'd say Mewtwo has the most going for him for X/Y at this time. If he's coming back, this coincides well. Luigi may have been announced at the same time to coincidence with Super Mario Bros. 2 Lost Levels re-release, but it's during the month his most notable game has come out. Of course, I still expect everyone to be announced on the release date of a game in their series(remakes/ports/otherwise) to keep up the pattern Sakurai has gone for.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Okay so for the remainder of the year, what characters can we expect that correspond to upcoming First Party Releases (and Sonic Lost World)?

 

[Johnknight1]

All Paper can do is rep the RPG's.

Or, you know, Paper Mario could be a fantastic playable character.

After all, we play as characters, not "reps" or "representatives."

Truly, the only thing characters represent is themselves.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Or, you know, Paper Mario could be a fantastic playable character.

After all, we play as characters, not "reps" or "representatives."

Truly, the only thing characters represent is themselves.

Now you're splitting hairs for ****s and giggles man.

Are you having a laugh mate?

 

[Oasis_S]

If I had to pick one Mario Rep, just from my point of view, it would be Waluigi. Sure, he doesn't have anything to show for the main series, heck, he's never EVER so far even been in a main series game, but that leads into the idea of him being a Mario spin off rep rather than a Mario Rep.

... and... that actually sounds really COOL! Like, a really great idea in my opinion! The Mario spinoffs deserve good showcasing next to the games themselves, and what better character than Waluigi himself? Heck, Mario KART already has a stage in Brawl, they're already one step in as far as it and its features, including music, go. Not to mention how being a Spin off rep has so much potential for moveset! There's Tennis, which Waluigi first appeared in and used as his staple in Brawl, but there's also Golf, Party, Kart, Pinball, Basketball, Baseball, A crossover with Sonic the Hedgehog charcters, HOT DAMN, is that all neat. Plus they can really play up his lankiness, with ranged normal moves, or at least Mid-range

You disg-vomitsinmouthalittle-ust me.

 

[BKupa666]

How does Toon Link's reveal improve Toad's chances whatsoever? I still fail to see the logic. Toad is already a part of Peach's moveset, that is a different scenario than Toon Link simply appearing in the Spirit Tracks stage.

I can see where the Toad supporters are coming from, but disagree with the logic. We didn't need confirmation of Toon Link to know that it's possible to have a different Toad playable from the one in Peach's special; everyone knows they're a species. It's just up in the air whether Sakurai would blatantly show off the commonly-known Toad as an attack, like he did before Melee and Brawl, and yet still be hiding newcomer Toad for a later reveal. I expect, if "Blue Toad" isn't shown in December, fewer people will try justifying that possibility.

 

[Johnknight1]

Now you're splitting hairs for ****s and giggles man.

Are you having a laugh mate?

No, I talk in terms of which characters I want to play based on how I see them playing being pretty much the only factor in my opinion.

Hyper is talking in terms of popularity and representation being the most important thing.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

No, I talk in terms of which characters I want to play based on how I see them playing being pretty much the only factor in my opinion.

Hyper is talking in terms of popularity and representation being the most important thing.

But surely you see a character is in fact a representative of their respective game/series if they were just there to represent themselves they wouldn't have even bothered with icons for each game/series.

 

[Johnknight1]

Every character is a blank slate really when you look at them at the way you look at Toad. <_<

Which is pretty damning to Toad, since Toad isn't anywhere near the best blank slate, again, unless Sakurai has thought of several off the walls awesome ideas for him.

There are things Toad can do that Waluigi can't, Isaac can't, etc, etc. It's been proven to you countless times, you just simply refuse to see it.

Yeah, but Isaac can do a heck of a lot more unique, interesting, and engaging things than Waluigi or Toad can do while still fitting in their character.

This whole "Duality" premise is total garbage. If it were true, there would be no difference between any characters whatsoever, everyone ever would agree that all sciences are equal (the study of ants = the study of the universe), and that all martial arts would be equally as useful.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Or, you know, Paper Mario could be a fantastic playable character.

After all, we play as characters, not "reps" or "representatives."

Truly, the only thing characters represent is themselves.

Uh-huh.

Yeah, don't buy that. They well represent the series they come from. Wario has his own symbol to represent his own series. If he didn't care about repping the Wario series separate from the Mario series, why give him his own symbol? Oh, right, because it obviously matters.

We play as both characters and representatives, and always has, and always will.

SSB is all about Nintendo's history, including their games. The reason why we have so many Pokeballs in Brawl from the 3rd Gen? Well, we had no directly 3rd Gen rep, so they gotta be shown off somehow.

Sakurai cares about both when it comes to playability, and has damn well shown it. Your view of "characters" does not coincide with how Sakurai shows things and you well know it. Your opinion of how you think SSB is designed is no more, than that. We play as Characters and Reps. It's why Young Link got that design, to rep the Toon-design and the appropriate games. He was still near identical to Young Link. Toon Link isn't even the actual character's name in the Zelda series. It's only in SSB he got that name. He reps the Toon side of things, which is why he had the bloody name. This isn't even rocket science. It is what it is.

Ness has many moves that aren't his own, to rep Earthbound as a whole. Never mind that he does a fairly poor job of repping his own moves, so him only repping himself? Beyond laughable at this point. It doesn't make sense at all under any logic. It shows that they rep their own series and sometimes themselves. And various things about the series. Zelda didn't even have her own damn specials, showing off more Link stuff. I guess that means Zelda clearly is repping Link, but not her own uniqueness, right? I could go on. Or to put it short, yes they damn well rep their series, always has, and always will.

 

[BKupa666]

As someone who has designed full movesets for a generic Zinger and a generic Necky, I won't waste time claiming a lack of uniqueness is a deterrent to a character's odds. However, in the case of Toad, I think people do a horrible job of selling what he could potentially offer; it's always either 'he's light, but also Strong' or a mismash of whatever power-ups the user deems most intriguing, in the hopes that some of that intrigue will rub off on Toad. The fact that he's not an obvious frontrunner despite being so iconic is reason enough for me to believe it hasn't (he's a bit like a first party Pacman in that regard). People bemoan the fact that he's underrated, but characters don't become rated lowly inside a vacuum.

 

[Johnknight1]

Question:
Me obsessing over Roy or me obsessing over Lucas.
Which is worse?
I honestly have no idea what's going on

You obsessing over Roy is worse, because you got a clear thing for him like how Diddy has a thing for Sheik, and Habanero has a thing for Chrom's booty.

But surely you see a character is in fact a representative of their respective game/series if they were just there to represent themselves they wouldn't have even bothered with icons for each game/series.

No, that's just to inform players what franchises said characters are from, as well as a marketing tool for people to associate their favorite characters with their franchise. After all, part of the Smash Bros premise is that it is essentially free advertising for other games.

It is kind of like how even though teams are a part of the NFL, the players who are on those teams still have the team logos on their jerseys/uniforms.

 

[BKupa666]

Oh goodness, reps discussion.

I hate that word, 'rep,' I really do. "'Repping' a series" or "adding a _______ 'rep'" is basically a lazy way to justify adding a character when characters aren't the only way to include content from a series in the game, and when sales aren't entirely indicative of how much content a series receives (see: Star Fox, Mother). I don't deny that a balance between the characters in each series is important; it's why Sakurai has said he won't flood the roster with Mario and Pokemon characters. But Wario isn't added for the sake of adding a 'Wario rep,' nor do Zelda or Ness use certain moves to 'rep' their series, just like 'Mario' isn't added for the sake of a 'Mario rep,' and doesn't use a cape and FLUDD to 'rep' the Mario series. He's in because he's goddamn Mario, and Sakurai believed those moves would represent his character the best, or they'd fit within his envisioned playstyle (likely why he deviates from character on occasion).

This is why it's a peeve of mine whenever people claim two entirely different characters are interchangeable, just because they hail from the same series. Not all characters are made equal; add them based on their merit, not on what icon they'd use.

 

[Croph]

Mmm, my most wanted Mario character would probably be Bowser Jr. as I do love that lil devil... D'aww Bowser and Bowser Jr. would make an awesome father and son tag team. Err, I mean that's not the only reason why I want Junior. I'd love it if the paintbrush is used as it would be kinda intriguing for me. Though, I wouldn't be upset if he doesn't use the brush. I JUST LIKE ART!! even if it's just goopy sploshes of paint...

But he's Fastblade's boy.

Don't worry, I've always known that Roy isn't just for myself -- he's a two timer. You see, knowing how lustful Roy is, he'll get into anyone's pants if he had the chance.

 

[Aurane]

How do you feel if I call Diddy Kong "Dinky Kong" and Shortiecanbrawl "Shawtie"?

I honestly don't give a **** because that's their problem.

I already stated multiple times in the past that I don't appreciate being called that. Please respect that and drop it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

http://www.p4rgaming.com/masahiro-s...to-smash-bros-i-delay-the-release-by-one-day/

Please read this article before you continue your rep bullcrap. He specifies that the characters can be representatives, literally using that word. Yes, he does see them as that too. Proof is right there, by his own words.

"I’m afraid of including a representative from Rhythm Heaven because of this. I can already see it now, people complaining that Rhythm Heaven is not a real Nintendo series, that Karate Joe is not a true Nintendo character like Geno, or that the rhythm game genre is not a real genre when compared to RPG games."

No representatives? Really? Seems like he recognizes that as important here.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

http://www.p4rgaming.com/masahiro-s...to-smash-bros-i-delay-the-release-by-one-day/

Please read this article before you continue your rep bullcrap. He specifies that the characters can be representatives, literally using that word. Yes, he does see them as that too. Proof is right there, by his own words.

"I’m afraid of including a representative from Rhythm Heaven because of this. I can already see it now, people complaining that Rhythm Heaven is not a real Nintendo series, that Karate Joe is not a true Nintendo character like Geno, or that the rhythm game genre is not a real genre when compared to RPG games."

No representatives? Really? Seems like he recognizes that as important here.

That's a BS article

Sakurai never said any of that

 

[MexM]

http://www.p4rgaming.com/masahiro-s...to-smash-bros-i-delay-the-release-by-one-day/

Please read this article before you continue your rep bullcrap. He specifies that the characters can be representatives, literally using that word. Yes, he does see them as that too. Proof is right there, by his own words.

"I’m afraid of including a representative from Rhythm Heaven because of this. I can already see it now, people complaining that Rhythm Heaven is not a real Nintendo series, that Karate Joe is not a true Nintendo character like Geno, or that the rhythm game genre is not a real genre when compared to RPG games."

No representatives? Really? Seems like he recognizes that as important here.

...Is this a legit article?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

...Is this a legit article?

No it's not.

That's the reason it's ONLY on P4rgaming

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Let me give you ANOTHER article on P4r gaming

http://www.p4rgaming.com/peach-no-l...used-by-story-where-bowser-doesnt-kidnap-her/

In Super Mario 3D World, players could choose from Mario, Luigi, Peach or Toad to play from which was similar to how the American version of Super Mario Bros. 2 played. However, Peach has now been replaced by a second Toad after discovering that the complex story turned away many potential players. The following is from volume one of the Iwata Asks interviews.

 

[Johnknight1]

Oh goodness, reps discussion.

I hate that word, 'rep,' I really do. "'Repping' a series" or "adding a _______ 'rep'" is basically a lazy way to justify adding a character when characters aren't the only way to include content from a series in the game, and when sales aren't entirely indicative of how much content a series receives (see: Star Fox, Mother). I don't deny that a balance between the characters in each series is important; it's why Sakurai has said he won't flood the roster with Mario and Pokemon characters. But Wario isn't added for the sake of adding a 'Wario rep,' nor do Zelda or Ness use certain moves to 'rep' their series, just like 'Mario' isn't added for the sake of a 'Mario rep,' and doesn't use a cape and FLUDD to 'rep' the Mario series. He's in because he's goddamn Mario, and Sakurai believed those moves would represent his character the best, or they'd fit within his envisioned playstyle (likely why he deviates from character on occasion).

This is why it's a peeve of mine whenever people claim two entirely different characters are interchangeable, just because they hail from the same series. Not all characters are made equal; add them based on their merit, not on what icon they'd use.

This... is... beautiful!!!

http://www.p4rgaming.com/masahiro-s...to-smash-bros-i-delay-the-release-by-one-day/

You referenced P4gaming to disprove me... for reals=???

OH MAH GAWD, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW HARD I AM LAUGH NOW!! GIVE ME A FEW HOURS AND I'LL RESPOND TO STUFF!!!!

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Let me give you ANOTHER article on P4r gaming

http://www.p4rgaming.com/peach-no-l...used-by-story-where-bowser-doesnt-kidnap-her/

Just...what.

That's one of the funniest fake articles I've seen in a while.
...It is fake...right? (it'd be funnier if it was real, though)

 

[DeadlyAllianceLeader]

All I care about for characters is that they're unique, fun to play as, and are in good, fun, yet deep taste for what they reference in their moves from their series.

EDIT: In the cases where it fits, that is, for the references. In my opinion, R.O.B was a GREAT character, but only had one real "Nintendo" moves, and that was with his Gyros, yet he turned out good, too. Sorry for the miswording

 

[DeadlyAllianceLeader]

I suppose RICH moves would probably be a better word

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You referenced P4gaming to disprove me... for reals=???

OH MAH GAWD, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW HARD I AM LAUGH NOW!! GIVE ME A FEW HOURS AND I'LL RESPOND TO STUFF!!!!

It's still better than the crap you said.

And makes more sense anyway.

Maybe if you knew anything about team logos, which you don't, you'd know the reason they wear it to show that they are a representative of that particular team.

They're all reps. Just get over it. That will never change.

And yes, it's ten times more believable than what you've been spouting off. The reason for the franchise symbol is to show what series the person is representing. That's it. Literally. They're a member of that series. Why the hell would you give Yoshi his own symbol unless he was put in... as a rep for the Yoshi series. I mean, seriously. There's kind of no other reason. He's from a particular series. He's the rep of it. Wario is the same. Entirely.

Doctor Mario was clearly not important enough to rep his own series, and was seen a simple part of the Mario series in total. But he still reps his own games to a degree.

You still forgot the fact that Ness can't only represent himself with that moveset. It's impossible. He has to rep his other friends to even do those moves. It just doesn't work. I mean, seriously.

The moves speak for themselves. They cannot legitimately rep only themselves outside of Insane Troll Logic. That already sealed the deal a long time ago.

...Is this a legit article?

Yes.

 

[Aurane]

"I propose a toast to myself for being better than everyone else."

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I think you're just trolling, especially since you just said you believe that article is legit

 

[Johnknight1]

It's still better than the crap you said.

And makes more sense anyway.

You just officially went full ******.

That or you are a terrible troll.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I assume hyperfalcon's bored, andorhorny. (I saw her say that one time and it made me think hmm....) lol

 

[Aurane]

You just officially went full ******.

That or you are a terrible troll.

I could beat that by a milestone, Johnknight1.

No one takes my position.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Hey, Hyper's still a cool homie in my book, whether she was just trolling or even if she messed up somewhere by using a bogus article as a source. No one's perfect.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I assume hyperfalcon's bored, andorhorny. (I saw her say that one time and it made me think hmm....) lol

Neither.

Just tired of completely wrong crap that fails logic.

We know they represent their series. That won't change.

Ness is pure evidence of this; He uses moves he cannot use in his games. He has to rep the game as a whole for it to make sense to use those moves. All the Pokemon show off stuff from the Anime and Games. And various ones. Gen II moves also are shown off with Charizard. Pokemon Trainer uses a Gen III design. They're Gen 1 characters. It's a triple Gen rep, which is funny, since the characters are all directly from Gen 1(well, PT isn't, actually. The class is, but his design does not originate from Gen 1 anyway).

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Hey, Hyper's still a cool homie in my book, whether he was just trolling or even if he messed up somewhere by using a bogus article as a source. No one's perfect.

Eh hyper is a woman bro.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I still say we get rid of the series icons and replace them with individual character icons like the Mario sports games have