Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Johnknight1]

I would love to see some of the lower characters buffed up myself but there is something to making a character feel right coming from their game, thematic I guess. It does mean some characters will be bad or average forever more then likely.

Ike, Ike, Ike, Ike, Ike, Ike, Ike.

Also, I don't think we should place too much stock on initial tiers. In all honesty, I hope they focus on balance very little in this game and instead focus on bolstering the roster and every characters' potential, because with patches now available, they can experiment with the game and fix it with a relationship with both the casual and competitive community established, much like what Project M has done.

As an aside, what would you think happen if Mega Man became the next Meta Knight but EVEN WORSE? Do you think the community could handle having to ban Mega Man after all the hype?

Mega Man can't be the same as Meta Knight broken or worse (aka Pikachu in Smash 64) because all of his projectiles could be shined, and he will inevitably have a few bad match ups due to his design alone.

If you wanna look for "the next Meta Knight" of the confirmed characters, look at Olimar, Pikachu, or the Wii Fit Trainer.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I kinda hope that Little Mac becomes a sort of Ike character in this game though.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Mega Man can't be the same as Meta Knight broken or worse (aka Pikachu in Smash 64) because all of his projectiles could be shined, and he will inevitably have a few bad match ups due to his design alone.

If you wanna look for "the next Meta Knight" of the confirmed characters, look at Olimar, Pikachu, or the Wii Fit Trainer.

As I said above:

I'm not saying this will happen, just curious how people think the community would handle having to ban one of the most hype characters ever to be in smash.

 

[Zyskyoto]

ughhhh i always hated olimar

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I kinda hope that Little Mac becomes a sort of Ike character in this game though.

I remember someone on a different forum who thought of the idea of making his attacks counter-based. It sounds interesting and considering how tons of characters punch, would give him pretty unique gameplay.

 

[Johnknight1]

You never know honestly. For all we know he gets big changes on some quest to declone him even more or the insanely unlikely happens and he's cut leaving Fox and Wolf (or Krystal if you really want crazy odds.)

Krystal won't happen over Falco, andFalco is staying. He's too well made to be cut.

Sakurai from Melee to Brawl cut the poorly made characters (like Pichu, Doc, Roy, and Mewtwo), not the most well designed (like Sheik, Captain Falcon, Falco, and Jigglypuff).

The same thing will likely stay true from Brawl to Smash Wii U and 3DS for all the cuts (cuts meaning any and all previous characters in Melee and Brawl not returning as playable).

omfg i was joking

It was a terrible joke.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Krystal won't happen over Falco, and Falco is staying.

Falco confirmed for cloned.

 

[MargnetMan23]

ughhhh i always hated olimar

Good for you somewhat recently I was playing brawl with some friends and successfully managed to piss them off by using Olimar, they just didn't know Olimar was actually good xD

 

[Zyskyoto]

It was a terrible joke.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Krystal won't happen over Falco, and Falco is staying. He's too well made to be cut.

Sakurai from Melee to Brawl cut the poorly made characters (like Pichu, Doc, Roy, and Mewtwo), not the most well designed (like Sheik, Captain Falcon, Falco, and Jigglypuff).

The same thing will likely stay true from Brawl to Smash Wii U and 3DS for all the cuts (cuts meaning any and all previous characters in Melee and Brawl not returning as playable).

This is Sakurai, the guy who brought us Wii Fit Trainer. I still wont say anything is 100% confirmed. Heck, Mario could be cut still. It's Sakurai here!

But in all seriousness I would LIKE (keyword I get it's not logical to everyone) to see Falco be WAY more Luigified or just have him be an alternate costume so maybe we can get something brand new.

 

[Zyskyoto]

I would LIKE to see Falco be WAY more Luigified

why?

10whys

 

[Aurane]

I kinda hope that Little Mac becomes a sort of Ike character in this game though.

I see Little Mac becoming a Quick combo-maker, like Lucario. Mark that up with Ike's awesome attack range. That would be badass, IMO.

 

[Frostwraith]

So much nonsense over Melee vs. Brawl debates... Tsk.

I like both games and I don't need all those tech/skill mumbo jumbo beyond booting up a game, play and enjoy the hell out of it, but then again I would probably seen as some casual gutter thrash who lacks taste for some apparent reason no one can seem to have a coherent definition. Oh well.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I see Little Mac becoming a Quick combo-maker, like Lucario. Mark that up with Ike's awesome attack range. That would be badass, IMO.

I agree with your point, but Lucario as far as I can tell is not exactly the quick combo maker you make him out to be =P his attack speed is kind of average.

 

[LiteralGrill]

why?

10whys

I just want him to be a tad more unique, I know Wolf is still cloned but he's got way more different then Falco.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

This is Sakurai, the guy who brought us Wii Fit Trainer. I still wont say anything is 100% confirmed. Heck, Mario could be cut still. It's Sakurai here!

Agreed with everything but the Mario joke. XD

But in all seriousness I would LIKE (keyword I get it's not logical to everyone) to see Falco be WAY more Luigified or just have him be an alternate costume so maybe we can get something brand new.

Either make him more unique, or replace with Krystal. Getting tired of him being a clone. Justified in Melee, but entirely unjustified in Brawl. Same with Ganondorf(that is, make sure he's not a clone. Falco can be changed out for someone since he's not the key hero or key villain or even a villain. Ganondorf needs to stay regardless. If we get a version of Ganon in place of Ganondorf, that's acceptable enough to me. It's similar enough from Young Link to Toon Link, so...).

I still lol'd at the idea that Falco has zero chance of being cut. Never know, and there's no way to know if he's coming back whatsoever. Has Sakurai expressed any specific reasons to keep him in at all? Cause I only remember him expressing that he prefers a Child Link in Smash... he has at least shown in practice that the original 12 matter quite a bit(for being in the game, not so much balance or good movesets).

 

[FlareHabanero]

I agree with your point, but Lucario as far as I can tell is not exactly the quick combo maker you make him out to be =P his attack speed is kind of average.

I guess he has Project M in his mind. In that game Lucario kicks ass like the mother****ing Fist of The North Star.

 

[Aurane]

I agree with your point, but Lucario as far as I can tell is not exactly the quick combo maker you make him out to be =P his attack speed is kind of average.

Okay, maybe not Lucario, but you get what I'm saying.

@Habanero I haven't played P:M yet, but I've seen enough videos to get that

 

[Shorts]

omfg i was joking

John's a special one, you'll come to learn.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Okay, maybe not Lucario, but you get what I'm saying.

Speaking of, he's not your current Avatar. You have forsaken the Jackal for... Quote?

 

[Oddyesy]

Okay, maybe not Lucario, but you get what I'm saying.

@Habanero I haven't played P:M yet, but I've seen enough videos to get that

Get it. GET IT NOW. IT WILL HAVE ROY. AND THEN YOUR LIFE WILL BE COMPLETE.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Get it. GET IT NOW. IT WILL HAVE ROY. AND THEN YOUR LIFE WILL BE COMPLETE.

Yes, then my fanfiction will be complete between Fastblade and Roy and everyone's eyes will bleed from the extremely descriptive sexual kinks.

 

[Aurane]

Speaking of, he's not your current Avatar. You have forsaken the Jackal for... Quote?

I'm not forsakening Lucario! The hell's the matter with you?

I just like this avatar.

@Oddyesy When I can, I will.

 

[LiteralGrill]

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I'm not forsakening Lucario! The hell's the matter with you?

I just like this avatar.

Just keep telling yourself that...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

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I'm not forsakening Lucario! The hell's the matter with you?

I just like this avatar.

Hiding like a Charmeleon won't save you from this.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Rolling should not be Lucario's main mode of transportation.

That's a political statement.

 

[Oasis_S]

I keep mistaking Capps' new Squirrel for N3ON's old avatar. It's black and white and red and Swirly just the same.

 

[LiteralGrill]

I keep mistaking Capps' new Squirrel for N3ON's old avatar. It's black and white and red and Swirly just the same.

I'm actually N3ON in disguise.

(Did I mention how much I missed you yet? I missed you SO much.)

 

[Aurane]

Just keep telling yourself that...

Hiding like a Charmeleon won't save you from this.

My name is AURASage94, I own 2 flawless Lucario, I main Lucario on Brawl and he's my most favorite Pokemon.

"Forsaken Lucario"... bleh...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

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Look out, we got a Badbass over here.

 

[Oasis_S]

I'm actually N3ON in disguise.

(Did I mention how much I missed you yet? I missed you SO much.)

Oh man then you should check out the backroom for more of my Strength.

Just posted some great tidbits of information back there.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Oh man then you should check out the backroom for more of my Strength.

Just posted some great tidbits of information back there.

...

I can totally do that because I'm a member of the backroom.

maybe someday

 

[Diddy Kong]

Can Lucario please not have the Aura gimmick in the next game please?

 

[Johnknight1]

This is Sakurai, the guy who brought us Wii Fit Trainer.

It was a stupid oversight for us not to expect her, the main character of a franchise that has sold over 40 million units.

I blame all the "I want another Mario/Fire Emblem/Pokémon character" ingrate morons.

I still wont say anything is 100% confirmed. Heck, Mario could be cut still. It's Sakurai here!

Yes, and he'll cut a veteran whom he has a ton of good data on for a newcomer that takes 3 times as much time, money, and effort to put in. Yep.

You guys are acting like Sakurai is totally random. He isn't. His risks are calculated, and he always follows the same patterns. The problem is we don't always know where he is going with said patterns, and we focus too much on minute stuff (Fire Emblem characters) and not on the big stuff (playable characters from franchises without previously playable characters).

But in all seriousness I would LIKE (keyword I get it's not logical to everyone) to see Falco be WAY more Luigified or just have him be an alternate costume so maybe we can get something brand new.

..why=??? Falco has like 4 moves the same as Fox (not counting the grabs, which many characters borrow anyways).

I mean, I get new moves and all, but his playstyle is pretty much perfect (at least in Melee). Changing it would honestly just be a waste of time, effort, and most of all money.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm 100% fine with Falco and Wolf in Brawl honestly. Very fun semi-clones, and I wouldn't mind more characters like this in. Lucas is a good example to. But I'd prefer Ness and Lucas to be using more moves from their own in their Mother games.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Can Lucario please not have the Aura gimmick in the next game please?

But it's such a fun gimmick!

 

[Big-Cat]

Can Lucario please not have the Aura gimmick in the next game please?

Definitely not as it is. It should be more like this:

Pay attention specifically to the portion about the cards.

 

[Shorts]

I don't care about what happens to Wolf and Falco. Just make Krystal Assault Suited and Staff wielding. She can be the not-semi-clone of Star Fox crew.

 

[Metal Overlord]

lol, there's a BR now?

I completely forgot that social groups are back

 

[Shorts]

lol, there's a BR now?

I completely forgot that social groups are back now

I wish you were that Asian woman.