Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Johnknight1]

Lot's of unmarked spoilers up in here...

Spoiler

Technically, if Roy should inherit anything from Ninian, it's be T3H 1C3 because Ninian is an ice Dragon.

The game is over a decade old, so unmarked spoilers are okay.

Oh, and btw:

Spoiler

-Rosebud is the name of his sled.
-Anakin becomes Darth Vader.
-Han shot first.
-Darth Vader is Luke's father.
-Leia is Luke's brother.
-E.T. is an alien.
-Azeland didn't really die when he was crucified.
-Micheal kills his brother.
-Tom Riddle is Voldemort.
-Snape killed Dumbledore.
-Snape kills Dumbledore on purpose via Dumbledore's orders.
-Inside the Ark of the Covenant are demons and ghosts that kill everyone with their eyes open.
-Jesus dies at the end of the Passion of the Christ and comes back from the dead.
-Maggie dies at the end of Million Dollar Baby.
-Rocky loses to Apollo Creed.
-Rocky beats Apollo Creed.
-Rocky loses to Cubber and then pities the foo and beats him.
-Rocky beats Ivan.
-Rocky wins a street fight.
-Rocky loses in the real version of the fight with Dixon, but wins in the alternate ending version of the fight.
-Rocky dies and turns into a zombie and wins the rematch Dixon to reclaim the title, and then cuts over a hundred pounds to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr., and the puts on 100 lbs to beat Mike Tyson, all in one night.

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah we won't know wether any character is "bad" or not in smash 4 until we actually get to play as them. They will definitely get some tweaks as many of them did during their transition from Smash 64 to Melee and from Melee to Brawl.

 

[Johnknight1]

Mewtwo is not worth celebrating over until it's a competent fighter worth talking about. Until then, don't praise ****.

We can mod smash games now, you know.


I mean, Brawl might be a fairly boring game competitively, but that doesn't mean that we can't make it a ridiculously entertaining competitive game like Melee by modding the bejezus out of it. The same thing applies with Mewtwo. There are plenty of good Mewtwo Melee and Brawl mods that make him a competent (and sometimes a Godlike) fighter.

what will you do if Pit is garbage in SSB4?

Is this implying Pit wasn't garbage in Brawl=??? Because he was.

But....Ninian's an ice dragon....
So t3h Ph1r3 didn't come from her.

I'm pretty sure t3h Ph1r3 comes from the Sword of Seals itself, not Roy.

I'm pretty sure t3h Ph1r3 comes from being a ginger as well. After all, being a ginger either turns you into t3h Ph1r3, or makes you leprechaun.

That'll be my reaction at E3 this year lol let along Mewtwo's reveal

The only thing better than that which could happen (new newcomers revealed) is if this was real...

 

[Robert of Normandy]

The game is over a decade old, so unmarked spoilers are okay.

Not in Australia or Europe.

And it still feels wrong, especially since FE is relatively obscure.

Whoever said Dragons pass on their abilities/attributes through Genetics. Mythical creatures can work however they want, it's a fantasy.

inb4 you try to rationalize this, don't killing catgirls now Yuii.

Spoiler

I was gonna kill them anyway.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I guess that goes for any newcomer.

Except Mewtwo is not a newcomer, which makes this statement worthless. Mewtwo in a previous game has already displayed it's "capabilities", and completely embarrassed itself by having a lot of crippling flaws. A newcomer has the excuse of being an unexplored character with untapped potential, which is not something Mewtwo can rely on.

There is a reason why everyone should be cautious over Mewtwo.

Just out of curiousity, what will you do if Pit is garbage in SSB4?

Move onto another character. There's going to be roughly 50 other characters, so there will always an alternative to pretty much every scenario.

 

[Deleted member]

Ganondorf in a previous game showed his "capabilities" and completely embarrassed himself.
Guess we should be skeptic about him or want him to be cut.

 

[Croph]

Yeah we won't know wether any character is "bad" or not in smash 4 until we actually get to play as them. They will definitely get some tweaks as many of them did during their transition from Smash 64 to Melee and from Melee to Brawl.

Hence why I'm staying neutral towards all newcomers, even if I don't like the character personally. Until I try them, or at least see gameplay, I'll make my judgement on them.

Like, I'm not fond of Wario in any game, barring Brawl. Idk why, but I really like the way he plays, it naturally "clicks" with me. Which is strange because something like that rarely happens...So I'm in some sort of love-hate relationship with him lol.

 

[Frostwraith]

Just out of curiousity, what will you do if every character is garbage in SSB4?

Fixed.

Also, real men choose random character.

 

[Deleted member]

-Jesus dies at the end of the Passion of the Christ and comes back from the dead.

NO ****ING WAY!!!

 

[Johnknight1]

Not in Australia or Europe.

That low blow hit Australians and Europeans so hard, they can't reproduce...

...except emulators saved them.

And it still feels wrong, especially since FE is relatively obscure.

I don't think Sakurai really cares. He just wants to put in the characters that make the game better, and he's done a good job thus far (save for Pit's moveset being lame IMO, Pichu being poorly executed IMO, and the lack of a Super Falcon Punch final smash).

 

[Metal Overlord]

It's not like Mewtwo is guaranteed to play the same because he's already been in a Smash game anyway lol

 

[Deleted member]

Offtopic, but I just had to share:

 

[Johnknight1]

NO ****ING WAY!!!

Yeah I know right.

Also, in NASCAR, they race CARS!!!

It's not like Mewtwo is guaranteed to play the same because he's already been in a Smash game anyway lol

I agree, but whatever you do, DO NO SAY THE G.D. "S-WORD!!!"

But if we're talking Mewtwo, this must be shown to show some of his goodness in Melee...

 

[Deleted member]

Hence why I'm staying neutral towards all newcomers, even if I don't like the character personally. Until I try them, or at least see gameplay, I'll make my judgement on them.

Like, I'm not fond of Wario in any game, barring Brawl. Idk why, but I really like the way he plays, it naturally "clicks" with me. Which is strange because something like that rarely happens...So I'm in some sort of love-hate relationship with him lol.

Come on, you know you LOVE The Wario.
http://images.wikia.com/nintendo/en/images/7/7b/Wario_Icon.png

(I'd make this show the image, but the image is so frigging big...)

 

[Frostwraith]

Manly, that video was hilarious!

But I counter that with this:

 

[Robert of Normandy]

That low blow hit Australians and Europeans so hard, they can't reproduce...

Serves them right. Socialist commie pig b*st*rds.

I don't think Sakurai really cares. He just wants to put in the characters that make the game better, and he's done a good job thus far (save for Pit's moveset being lame IMO, Pichu being poorly executed IMO, and the lack of a Super Falcon Punch final smash).

I meant about unmarked spoilers, not about whether Sakurai considers being obscure a factor or not.

 

[Metal Overlord]

... They race cars in NASCAR?

the ****?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Ganondorf in a previous game showed his "capabilities" and completely embarrassed himself.
Guess we should be skeptic about him or want him to be cut.

Yes, we should be skeptic over Ganondorf too. His nerfing felt unneeded and simply hurt the character to the pits of the dreaded **** tier. There should be a concern, not praise.

 

[Deleted member]

Dammit, you're no fun anymore, Jalapeno.....


On another note, with what Johnknight said, why are people obsessed with a "Super Falcon Punch" FS idea? That explosion from the memetic video wasn't even from the Falcon Punch.

 

[Croph]

Come on, you know you LOVE The Wario.
http://images.wikia.com/nintendo/en/images/7/7b/Wario_Icon.png

(I'd make this show the image, but the image is so frigging big...)

Hawt.

I was definitely disappointed with Ganondorf's nerf though, even if I don't play him...or perhaps that's why.

 

[Frostwraith]

I love to use Ganondorf in FFAs actually. I would say he's quite the opportunist character in such situation.

inb4grumpyansweronhow1v1isthetruewaytoplaysmash

 

[FlareHabanero]

Dammit, you're no fun anymore, Jalapeno.....

Sorry BronzeSuikun, but I left my fun hat back at the airport. It's a bunch of bullcrap I tell ya.

 

[Frostwraith]

Quoting Hades from Kid Icarus: Uprising: "Wear gloves with this one, minions!"

 

[Johnknight1]

... They race cars in NASCAR?

the ****?

I thought they raced helicopters to be honest.

On another note, with what Johnknight said, why are people obsessed with a "Super Falcon Punch" FS idea? That explosion from the memetic video wasn't even from the Falcon Punch.

Even if it wasn't, a Super Falcon Punch FS needs to happen. Sakurai made that Blue Falcon rush move as a troll move insult on that video.

 

[~automatic]

Fixed.

If all characters are garbage then the game will be well balanced in the gameplay setting in which all characters are garbages.

 

[Frostwraith]

If all characters are garbage then the game will be well balanced in the gameplay setting in which all characters are garbages.

That was exactly my point!

 

[Deleted member]

Even if it wasn't, a Super Falcon Punch FS needs to happen. Sakurai made that Blue Falcon rush move as a troll move insult on that video.

More like "Sakurai made that Blue Falcon rush move because it gave Falcon something that actually comes from his games and was already considered since Smash 64".

 

[Johnknight1]

More like "Sakurai made that Blue Falcon rush move because it gave Falcon something that actually comes from his games and was already considered since Smash 64".

I remember people wanting a Super Falcon Punch attack back in 2004. The idea isn't a new idea, and quite frankly, it should have been done IMO.

I love to use Ganondorf in FFAs actually. I would say he's quite the opportunist character in such situation.

inb4grumpyansweronhow1v1isthetruewaytoplaysmash

I've played 4-way FFA's with some of the best players in the world dude. I've also played Giant Melee with some of the best players as well. If anyone is complaining about that, they suck.

Also, Ganondorf in Melee in FFA's is a beast. If his recovery wasn't so predictable he'd be a beast in teams, too.

 

[Frostwraith]

More like "Sakurai made that Blue Falcon rush move because it gave Falcon something that actually comes from his games and was already considered since Smash 64".

Let me add that was before the Falcon Punch went memetic, meaning before the anime aired.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I used to love Final Smashes back when Brawl first came out but now honestly I kind of wish that they weren't even added in the first place

Really don't like them anymore

 

[Deleted member]

Those people were stupid, really. A "Super Falcon Punch" is a really horrible idea.
I can just see the thought process in development:

Sakurai: "Alright team, we need to make a Final Smash for Captain Falcon. Now, I've had this idea since the original Smash Bros. where he-"
Staff member: "SUPER FALCON PUNCH!!!"
Sakurai: "What?"
Staff member: "You heard me, a SUPER Falcon Punch! It'd be totally epic!"
Sakurai: "....I was thinking more along the lines of him attacking with his racing vehicle, you know, to actually give him something directly from his seri-"
Staff member: "Totally lame. Needs to be a Super Falcon Punch!"
Sakurai: "But that is rather generic and doesn't really represent what Captain Falcon is abou-"
Staff member: "SUPER FALCON PUNCH!!!"
Sakurai: "..."

 

[Moon Monkey]

I prefer Falcon keep his Blue Falcon as his FS. The only thing i would add to the move is the ending theme played in F-Zero GX.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Those people were stupid, really. A "Super Falcon Punch" is a really horrible idea.
I can just see the thought process in development:

Sakurai: "Alright team, we need to make a Final Smash for Captain Falcon. Now, I've had this idea since the original Smash Bros. where he-"
Staff member: "SUPER FALCON PUNCH!!!"
Sakurai: "What?"
Staff member: "You heard me, a SUPER Falcon Punch! It'd be totally epic!"
Sakurai: "....I was thinking more along the lines of him attacking with his racing vehicle, you know, to actually give him something directly from his seri-"
Staff member: "Totally lame. Needs to be a Super Falcon Punch!"
Sakurai: "But that is rather generic and doesn't really represent what Captain Falcon is abou-"
Staff member: "SUPER FALCON PUNCH!!!"
Sakurai: "..."

You forgot the part where Sakurai says "[laughs]".

 

[Deleted member]

You forgot the part where Sakurai says "[laughs]".

When he doesn't [laugh], you know ****'s gonna go down.

I didn't say the extended ending:
*Sakurai tosses Staff member out of building*
Sakurai: [laughs]

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Golden
Literally all Mario's Final Smash is is a giant fireball, so I don't get why it's such a big deal to you. Plus, we got 3 Landmasters, 2 PK Stars, 2 Triforce Slashes, and Ganondorf's Final Smash literally is the same as Captain Falcon's.

Let me add that was before the Falcon Punch went memetic, meaning before the anime aired.

Seriously, that was THE COOLEST MOVE in Smash 64!

You forgot the part where Sakurai says "[laughs]".

No, Iwata does that, after he cuts off Sakurai!

I used to love Final Smashes back when Brawl first came out but now honestly I kind of wish that they weren't even added in the first place

Really don't like them anymore

I wish you could have multiple smash balls at once, and each character had 2 final smashes (1 super attack, 1 super transformation).

I also wish the "Super Transformations" had a fighting mode, so we could do like giant Godzilla-sized fights. No really, imagine Giga Bowser fighting a Landmaster fighting Beast Ganon fighting Super Sonic fighting Super Laser ROB fighting Diddy with his Jetpack on.

 

[Moon Monkey]

I had a dream that during Nintendo's E3 Direct, Sakurai himself was talking about SSB4 in Japanese and the only translated subtitle at the bottom of the screen was [Laughs]. All throughout the time he was talking

 

[Deleted member]

@ Golden
Literally all Mario's Final Smash is is a giant fireball, so I don't get why it's such a big deal to you. Plus, we got 3 Landmasters, 2 PK Stars, 2 Triforce Slashes, and Ganondorf's Final Smash literally is the same as Captain Falcon's.

Seriously, that was THE COOLEST MOVE in Smash 64!

No, Iwata does that, after he cuts off Sakurai!

I wish you could have multiple smash balls at once, and each character had 2 final smashes (1 super attack, 1 super transformation).

I also wish the "Super Transformations" had a fighting mode, so we could do like giant Godzilla-sized fights. No really, imagine Giga Bowser fighting a Landmaster fighting Beast Ganon fighting Super Sonic fighting Super Laser ROB fighting Diddy with his Jetpack on.

Final Smashes should work like Super Moves in SF/BB/GG/etc...

I had a dream that during Nintendo's E3 Direct, Sakurai himself was talking about SSB4 in japanese and the only translated subtitles at the bottom of the screen was [Laughs]

Good thing I know Moonspeak.

 

[Dark Phazon]

I had a dream that during Nintendo's E3 Direct, Sakurai himself was talking about SSB4 in japanese and the only translated subtitles at the bottom of the screen was [Laughs]

Theres gonna be alotra dreams like that till June...

 

[Fire Emblemier]

@ Golden
Literally all Mario's Final Smash is is a giant fireball, so I don't get why it's such a big deal to you. Plus, we got 3 Landmasters, 2 PK Stars, 2 Triforce Slashes, and Ganondorf's Final Smash literally is the same as Captain Falcon's.

Seriously, that was THE COOLEST MOVE in Smash 64!

No, Iwata does that, after he cuts off Sakurai!

I wish you could have multiple smash balls at once, and each character had 2 final smashes (1 super attack, 1 super transformation).

I also wish the "Super Transformations" had a fighting mode, so we could do like giant Godzilla-sized fights. No really, imagine Giga Bowser fighting a Landmaster fighting Beast Ganon fighting Super Sonic fighting Super Laser ROB fighting Diddy with his Jetpack on.

There's is a glitch in the brigde of Eldin tage, where if you playing as a transformation FS character and have the smash ball, when the brigde is getting rebuilt jump where it appears and activate the FS and you'll be stuck as the transformation, best with jigglypuff.

 

[Deleted member]

@ Golden
Literally all Mario's Final Smash is is a giant fireball, so I don't get why it's such a big deal to you. Plus, we got 3 Landmasters, 2 PK Stars, 2 Triforce Slashes, and Ganondorf's Final Smash literally is the same as Captain Falcon's.

Mario is known for a mastery of fire within his series with every "super" attack in spin-offs incorporating fire in some way. Hell, other than name, his Final Smash is pretty much the Ultra Flame from SMRPG.
Falcon is not known for super bird punches in his.

And your point on the "3 Landmasters, 2 PK Stars, 2 Triforce Slashes" is irrelevant, why even bring it up?

Also, you need to watch how you use the word "literally". When you say Ganondorf's Final Smash is "literally" the same as Captain Falcon's, you are saying Ganondorf spawns the Blue Falcon to hit people in front of him, then takes the people he hits to an unknown track where he hops in the Blue Falcon and runs down the track, hitting them, then sending them back to the stage where they are sent flying.