Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[FlareHabanero]

These attempts at subtlety are sub par.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I didn't mean you were making that argument. But yeah, Toad definitely should have the spot before Geno, Waluigi, or Paper Mario. Bowser Jr. is arguable, though. I think they could both get in at the same time. I like Waluigi the most of that list, but come on, Toad just got playable again, not the crappy recolors in NSMB, but the original playable Toad, in Super Mario World 3D. Enough. Said.

I thought the Toad in 3D World was blue...?

Yeah, he's blue.

 

[MexM]

Also, you have no idea how much I wish they had actually put in a specific Trainer, but it's clearly Sakurai makes all the Pokemon characters generic while having influences from specific ones. The name of Pokemon Trainer and his exact basic Trophy outright confirmed his style.

I know right. Hopefully...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I thought the Toad in 3D World was blue...?

That's Captain Toad(this is his most appropriate US name)'s color from the actual SMB2 game itself. He was only different colored in the manual.

I know right. Hopefully...

I'm not entirely mad at this. Except for the lack of more unique costumes. We had something slightly based off of Brendan/Emerald though with his Green costume. But that's even more subtle than most, like Mario having a Wario-style costume in each Smash.(I think he might've ditched it in Brawl?)

 

[JamesDNaux]

I listened to what you guys had to say, here's my new roster prediction:

Swapped Pac Man for Rayman (Pac Man is the most likely 3rd party character to be added), cut Geno, cut Andy, cut Dillon, added Game & Watch.

I'd bet money R.O.B. will not return.

I still see Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario.
And as much as I'd like Skull Kid, he's not very likely at all, so that's still not a very good prediction.
Everything else looks alright, other than that person in the bottom right corner, I can't even tell who that is...
The organization is still really awful though, why is Ridley way over there instead of by Samus?
I will eat my hat if R.O.B. doesn't return.

 

[augustoflores]

always a plus with more jontron.

got my sig replaced for greater justice.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Just makes me hate M$ even more, Grunty would have been perfect, villain, female, and ugly, that'd keep the feminists off our backs.

Hag 1 > Landmaster

I didn't mean you were making that argument. But yeah, Toad definitely should have the spot before Geno, Waluigi, or Paper Mario. Bowser Jr. is arguable, though. I think they could both get in at the same time. I like Waluigi the most of that list, but come on, Toad just got playable again, not the crappy recolors in NSMB, but the original playable Toad, in Super Mario World 3D. Enough. Said.

Also, you have no idea how much I wish they had actually put in a specific Trainer, but it's clearly Sakurai makes all the Pokemon characters generic while having influences from specific ones. The name of Pokemon Trainer and his exact basic Trophy outright confirmed his style. Even with Mewtwo, he didn't specifically add the one from the movie, just a Mewtwo with a masculine voice influenced by it. His moveset isn't even that similar to the first movie, anyway. Does it even have Shadow Ball in the second movie?

Agreed on Toad, though I still personally prefer Bowser Jr.

I wouldn't know that about the Shadow Ball being in the second movie, haven't seen it.

This out of context /feg/ comment.

This is about 1,600 Bells.

As I'm not one of those common FE fans, I won't be needing this.

Shame too, I have exactly 1,600 Bells.

 

[Big-Cat]

I wasn't trying to be subtle. It was a joke...

They're not funny.

 

[MexM]

That's Captain Toad(this is his most appropriate US name)'s color from the actual SMB2 game itself. He was only different colored in the manual.



I'm not entirely mad at this. Except for the lack of more unique costumes. We had something slightly based off of Brendan/Emerald though with his Green costume. But that's even more subtle than most, like Mario having a Wario-style costume in each Smash.(I think he might've ditched it in Brawl?)

But that's his Leaf costume! Well, I'm kinda mad, I just wish he named him Red but that's just me. And he still has it in Brawl.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

That's Captain Toad(this is his most appropriate US name)'s color from the actual SMB2 game itself. He was only different colored in the manual.

I thought THE Toad had red spots and a blue vest.

 

[aleckermit]

I still see Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario.
And as much as I'd like Skull Kid, he's not very likely at all, so that's still not a very good prediction.
Everything else looks alright, other than that person in the bottom right corner, I can't even tell who that is...
The organization is still really awful though, why is Ridley way over there instead of by Samus?
I will eat my hat if R.O.B. doesn't return.

The guy at bottom right is Goose from Pilotwings 64. Don't worry about icon placement lol, no trying to predict that. You will be eating a hat.

 

[MexM]

I thought the Toad in 3D World was blue...?

Yeah, he's blue.

Red Toad appears too.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Hag 1 > Landmaster

Stahp making me crai. Her final smash would be flying on her broom throwing spells of doom.

Actually, I should try to come up with a moveset for Banjo, should be easy enough. I already came up with a Rayman moveset, I just can't think of a Side B, a Down B, or a Final Smash...

 

[Arcadenik]

@Arcadenik: Actually, it does. His name on the Japanese screen would determine that. He has two different names, so whatever it is on there determine if it's the race or the specific character.

Even if it says Kinopio or Kino on the Japanese screen, it would still say Toad on the American screen and many other countries' screens regardless. It doesn't matter if it says Kinopio or Kino on the Japanese screen, you are still playing as a member of the Kino species regardless.

Even if Peach's B move involves Kinopio, a Kino can still be playable and we won't care if it is THE Toad or A Toad because that playable Kino would still be called Toad outside Japan.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

They're not funny.

Who isn't funny? No need to be mean.

 

[JamesDNaux]

The guy at bottom right is Goose from Pilotwings 64. Don't worry about icon placement lol, no trying to predict that. You will be eating a hat.

It just looks a lot nicer and shows a bit more effort, not to mention that I didn't even spot K. Rool until about five minutes because he wasn't under DK.

Look how many people said that Game and Watch wouldn't return in Brawl. R.O.B. is completely unique and a great addition. My hat is safe.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If, let's say, Chrom got in (alongside Marth and Ike, at least) and was given a completely unique moveset, would you still be heavily against him? In all honesty, I'm just curious, since you've been known to look at things from a gameplay perspective.

That's presuming Chrom will get a completely unique moveset. All I see out of him is simply some sort of clone of Ike or Marth. I might revoke the statements if presented, but at the moment it's not looking that bright.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Even if it says Kinopio or Kino on the Japanese screen, it would still say Toad on the American screen and many other countries' screens regardless. It doesn't matter if it says Kinopio or Kino on the Japanese screen, you are still playing as a member of the Kino species regardless.

Even if Peach's B move involves Kinopio, a Kino can still be playable and we won't care if it is THE Toad or A Toad because that playable Kino would still be called Toad outside Japan.

No, it still matters. You're either playing as Captain Toad or you're not. I don't care what he's called outside of Japan. I do care exactly which character I'm playing as. I want correct information, not half-assed stuff I constantly see. Like people always putting incorrect data about who Pokemon Trainer is on wikis. It's just terrible overall. False information should not be allowed on there, end of story.

@MexM: I'd say the fact that Sakurai never added an extremely specific Pokemon character is a good thing. It means you can name Pokemon Trainer whoever you want still be accurate. You want to name him Red? Use the Name Feature. Blue? Sure. Etc.

 

[IsmaR]

I'm almost entirely sure he'll have blue hair and use a sword in the game. All the uniqueness in the world couldn't fix that.

 

[Arcadenik]

So which one is Kinopio and which one is Kino?

 

[Big-Cat]

Who isn't funny? No need to be mean.

You with these jokes. You're killing the joke by saying "points for who gets the reference". It comes off as you trying to hard for chuckles.

 

[MexM]

No, it still matters. You're either playing as Captain Toad or you're not. I don't care what he's called outside of Japan. I do care exactly which character I'm playing as. I want correct information, not half-***** stuff I constantly see. Like people always putting incorrect data about who Pokemon Trainer is on wikis. It's just terrible overall. False information should not be allowed on there, end of story.

@MexM: I'd say the fact that Sakurai never added an extremely specific Pokemon character is a good thing. It means you can name Pokemon Trainer whoever you want still be accurate. You want to name him Red? Use the Name Feature. Blue? Sure. Etc.

I would rather have the true personification of one of my favorite characters than a generic dude based on him, though.

 

[Arcadenik]

You with these jokes. You're killing the joke by saying "points for who gets the reference". It comes off as you trying to hard for chuckles.

And this is why Family Guy is unfunny.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

You with these jokes. You're killing the joke by saying "points for who gets the reference". It comes off as you trying to hard for chuckles.

Okay, but you didn't have do say any of this. Would have been better if you just said "okay" or "Please stop".

 

[Opossum]

That's presuming Chrom will get a completely unique moveset. All I see out of him is simply some sort of clone of Ike or Marth. I might revoke the statements if presented, but at the moment it's not looking that bright.

Oh, I meant that as a hypothetical, in case it wasn't too clear. But it's good to know that if that scenario did occur, likelihood not withstanding, that you'd be okay with it.

 

[IsmaR]

Okay. Please stop.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I would rather have the true personification of one of my favorite characters than a generic dude based on him, though.

I'd rather have Ash than never-talking Red, then. Red was not very interesting compared to Blue, or Silver, or Lyra/Crystal, or May... Of course, Ash'll never happen, so...

I can't wait to see if Captain Toad OR Toad makes it in.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Spoiler

I bet $599 US. dollars that she's the Fighting-type leader the PokeBeach rumors mentioned.

I'm not gonna lie, but the MyNintendoNews website did refer her as Waifu Material Gym Leader in the headline. I'm not ****ting you.

 

[MexM]

I'd rather have Ash than never-talking Red, then. Red was not very interesting compared to Blue, or Silver, or Lyra/Crystal, or May... Of course, Ash'll never happen, so...

I can't wait to see if Captain Toad OR Toad makes it in.

Well, that's okay, it's your opinion.
And yeah, I'm totally in support of Toad.

 

[Big-Cat]

Okay, but you didn't have do say any of this. Would have been better if you just said "okay" or "Please stop".

But would that really satisfy you?

 

[Deleted member]

R-right.

Well, the deal with Chrom is that his general design is supposed to borrow characteristics from the other Lords, with most of the inspiration coming from Ike. His daughter meanwhile takes inspiration from Marth. Basically when you put the two together, it's supposed to give off vibes of Marth and Ike respectively, the two most well known and popular Lords in the series. You can tell from a design standpoint alone, and it was probably done so in order to highlight the most well received characteristics of a Lord character. Chrom himself also borrows form skills shared with Ike, such as Aether, and also boasts similarly distributed stats and stat growths. However, believe it or not, the similarities end there. Chrom and Ike have different back stories and motives, and their personalities were different with Ike generally being more rough due to his mercenary ties. It's also worth mentioning that unlike other Lords Chrom is capable of being reclassed into other classes aside from the typical Great Lord or equivalents.

Also, you might be wondering why I dislike Chrom so much if that is the case. Well to simply put into words, Chrom hasn't proven anything notably special. Yes he's a Lord which is all fine and dandy, but there are at least a dozen of them through out the series and they tend to be more colorful. There is of course the very notable problem of the character creating a negative sense of redundancy, which can easily create a sense of disappointment for veterans of the series and create a bad image of the Fire Emblem franchise for newcomers. There is just that lack of excitement for a character that feels like one big beaten horse, and in a franchise that has a very notable sense of diversity in play that is going to be an issue.

This is quite a respectable viewpoint, something I honestly never thought I would see you say in regards to Chrom, given what you have said in the past. 0_0

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, that's okay, it's your opinion.
And yeah, I'm totally in support of Toad.

Also, it should go without saying that it doesn't matter what a character appears like in Smash. Their name is the only thing that defines who they are and quite literally nothing else. You're wrong if you think their design means a damn thing. That's been proven with Pokemon Trainer. He's portrayed as being some random Trainer with a similar design to Red.(he's his cousin Crimson, sure, let's go with that for a better name )

 

[Salty the SLUG]

But would that really satisfy you?

Yes it would have. It would have shown that you were politely saying what I was doing was not funny or just simply horrible.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Why cut Game and Watch?

I got a bigger question.

*in There Will Be Brawl Mario's voice* Who watches the Game & Watch?

 

[FlareHabanero]

This is quite a respectable viewpoint, something I honestly never thought I would see you say in regards to Chrom, given what you have said in the past. 0_0

Chrono gave out a request, I obliged without slamming down bias, and threw in my own prospective as to why Chrom is constantly proclaimed as dull and why that might be an issue. Nothing particularly fancy. Lying wouldn't of gotten the point across.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I got a bigger question. *in There Will Be Brawl Mario's voice* Who watches the Game & Watch?

I respond by pointing at my mains.

 

[SoldierSunday]

I wonder if there is going to be new VAs for the characters this time around except for the newcomers.

Steve Bloom should be the next announcer for smash 4.

 

[Bowserlick]

Here is my Chrom special moveset, although I think two FE reps are plenty.

Chrom Specials:

B Luna: Sword glows silver and extends as he slashes. Goes through shields and other weapons without clashing. But only does damage with no knockback.

Up B Lance (air): Leaps forward in an arch while taking out his lance. Press of A while cause him to thrust the lance downwards and forward for a good amount of damage and stun. Especially if it connects with grounded opponents

Up B Lance (ground): Takes out lance quickly and pole vaults high into the air. Still gets two jumps and is allowed to attack, but can no longer use Up B unless he lands.

Side B Dual Slash: Goes forward quickly covering a short distance and stabs his sword forward. During the animation toward or back B can be pressed again and Chrom will do a second attack. He goes further and does a more powerful slash. But he lags more after the second optional attack.

Down B Aegis: Creates a mystical shield in front of him. Absorbs up to 27 percentage damage. Can be left out. After the last hit, the shield shatters doing splash damage to enemies. Cannot be used again until next stock. However, it can absorb energy projectiles and add to the shields hitpoints.​

 

[Arcadenik]

Also, it should go without saying that it doesn't matter what a character appears like in Smash. Their name is the only thing that defines who they are and quite literally nothing else. You're wrong if you think their design means a damn thing. That's been proven with Pokemon Trainer. He's portrayed as being some random Trainer with a similar design to Red.(he's his cousin Crimson, sure, let's go with that for a better name )

I don't get your logic... so you are saying the Pokémon Trainer in Brawl is really someone else who is not Red... maybe he is Red's cousin Crimson... just because Pokémon Trainer has no name in Brawl?

Pokémon Trainer + Red's appearance design + no name = a person who is not named Red but someone you get to name

So... why can't we just name him and say he is Red?

 

[Smooth Criminal]

...

Don't make her angry, Arcadenik.

You won't like HyperFalcon when she's angry.

Smooth Criminal