Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Croph]

Late replies buut...

Does anybody else think this just sounds like Pokémon on steroids=???

Relevant:

MegaMegaSunflora pls kthxbai

I imagine Raichu will have a (DBZ-esk) lightning aura, a lightning covered body, and its' ears, tail, and muscles will all get bigger.

Your description reminds me of this Raichu ex card with the aura/lightning thing going on and all:

Spoiler

But yeah, MegaRaichu would be badass. Plus Raichu's one of my fave Pokemon :3

So, Smash... Well, I'm pretty content with the Mario fighters we have now. As such, I don't really mind who gets in if the Mario franchise gets another playable character(s). Although, if I had to pick who I'd like to see the most: Toad, Bowser Jr., or Dr. Mario. But, like I said, if they don't get in, I won't be affected too much.

I HOPE FEVER RETURNS THOUGH! and I wouldn't mind a Dr. Mario stage.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Landmaster x3 and PK STARSTOOOOOORM!

Your logic is backwards, Sakurai is more likely to make characters cloney than to make them completely original, Ganondorf much?

Plus the whole "Shadow Mario" thing just makes him a mini Bowser who is also a Mario clone that happens to have Zelda's gimmick. It's a bit much honestly.

Live and Learn. Ganondorf made his first Smash appearance in Melee as a near complete Falcon clone, changed him significantly in Brawl, and we're talking about pre-Brawl and Brawl here.

I think Sakurai won't make such mistakes again, with what I've seen him say, like balancing the game out and everything, I find it unlikely.

Bowser has also piloted the clown car, which is Bowser jr's signature thing these days.

Not to mention Jr undoubtedly has the same shell spinning attacks as his koopa piers

I don't see how you can say the only thing they have in common is fire, when Jr has the entire body structure his father had at his age, judging from the Yoshi games

And again, just because Jr can be different, I can easily see Sakurai saying "As a rule with father and sons, Bowser jr shares many of the attacks of his father"

I didn't say it was the onyl thing they had in common, I meant it was the only thing they both relied on in combat. I guess I wasn't clear enough there. But yeah, spinning shell and fire is the only thing they've both really used in combat in the Mario games. Jr has a much greater amount of things that could give him a good and original moveset compared to Toon Link.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm just nodding to myself on my phone, agreeing to the crappiness of Sticker Star.

You know Tumblr, I like you.

You have good pictures on your site, and you ain't scurred of nuthin.

But still, I went from a big time supporter of Paper Mario to actually OPPOSING PAPER MARIO because of Sticker Star. I mean, Super Paper Mario was a BIG step down from Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door (one of the best games of its' time), but it was still a really enjoyable game.

I played 30 minutes of Sticker Star at a friend's house, and I already was bored of it. I watched like an hour of a Let's Play of It, and I just had to say "no."

Also, why is everything with stickers a huge step down in quality=??? First Stickers were in Brawl, and while they made the game better as a fun added bonus, the gameplay was bad. With Sticker Star, the stickers KILLED the gameplay.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Adding the mega evolutions to one form and two form pokemon was a mistake. It means those pokemon will probably never get true evolutions

And I can't imagine these mega evolutions will gain any new attacks if they are in battle only, as sites are relaying

 

[Johnknight1]

Sakurai, PLEASE PUT THIS IN SMASH!!!!

 

[FlareHabanero]

Live and Learn.

That feel when October 9th 2007.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You do realize Sakurai is currently moving towards unique stuff, though, right?

He may clearly be okay with keeping some clones in(at least the Fighting "Whatever" Team, as they're all clones, although they may have been made first to test the waters... not counting Polygon Falcon who technically is the exact same beta character shown in the original game, Dragon King: The Fighting Game)

Actually, that makes Ganondorf a clone of a clone. XD

But seriously, outside of those special teams, I wouldn't expect even Brawl's level of clones added in. Ganondorf and Falco may still somewhat similar to their counterparts.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Sakurai, PLEASE PUT THIS IN SMASH!!!!

No.

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[PsychoIncarnate]

Ampharos would be really awesome in smash

A lot better electric pokemon than Pikachu

 

[Johnknight1]

Relevant:

MegaMegaSunflora pls kthxbai

...Thank you so much for this Croph. You are my freaking hero right now. This video and Brock's quote in it (and dat line delivery) are AMAAAZINNNG!!!!

Your description reminds me of this Raichu ex card with the aura/lightning thing going on and all:

Spoiler

But yeah, MegaRaichu would be badass. Plus Raichu's one of my fave Pokemon :3

Another top tier find by Croph. And yes, Mega Raichu would be AMAZING!!!!

I HOPE FEVER RETURNS THOUGH! and I wouldn't mind a Dr. Mario stage.

That song is SOOOOOOOOO good, and it can be done in so many ways, different genres, and compositions and still remain amazing.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, it is. Look at the size of the blade itself and the size of the hilt to it. Also, Lucina is arguably the strongest lord in the series just going by stats.

So you're telling me, Lucina.....who on average has less of a Strength stat than her father.......is the "strongest Lord" in the series, even compared to Mr. "I lift this heavy blade with one hand like a boss" Ike?


And going by blade design, how is the real Marth able to swing such a "heavy two-hander" as if it was a plain sword in Awakening? Surely you're not going to tell me Marth has a heck of a sword arm.

 

[TumblrFamous]

You know what I really wanna see return? (Slowly stepping away from the Mario discussion)

The trophy tussle events. Thoughts?

 

[Johnknight1]

That feel when October 9th 2007.

Still needs to have a later loop in Brawl before restarting.

You know what I really wanna see return? (Slowly stepping away from the Mario discussion)

The trophy tussle events. Thoughts?

You mean fighting on trophies=??? Seems legit.

Still, it should be upside down trophies, and it should actually be a multiplayer stage!

 

[ChronoBound]

And going by blade design, how is the real Marth able to swing such a "heavy two-hander" as if it was a plain sword in Awakening? Surely you're not going to tell me Marth has a heck of a sword arm.

Because Marth wielding FE13's Falchion is not canon.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

You know what I really wanna see return? (Slowly stepping away from the Mario discussion)

The trophy tussle events. Thoughts?

Heck yes!

I can imagine there being online tournaments for this, and the winner recieves the trophy. It's only obtainable by other players later on by DLC. (no more DLC talk please, just let me mention that one thing)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well there were a few doubters that Mario discussions could get intense

 

[Big-Cat]

I HOPE FEVER RETURNS THOUGH! and I wouldn't mind a Dr. Mario stage.

I don't think I can have it back after this version of it:

 

[TheWhiteBowser]

Trying to jump into a conversation in the social threadis useless when your an hour late... But I'll try anyway...
Clones don't have to be a bad thing you know. You can give a character the same special moves but you can change up their tilts, aerials, smashes, and weight. This has been done before. Bowser Jr. would not be a clone of Bowser in any way shape or form. If you have played Super Mario Sunshine. Which I have you can analyze a moveset for Bowser Jr. pretty easily.

1. His main weapon would be a paintbrush he would carry it around like DDD his Ftilt, Uair, Fair, Dair, could act like DDD's
2. His recovery could act like Snake's recovery his clown car.
3. His side B would make a great variation of Marth's Dancing Blade
4. I visualize his neutral special acting like DDD's Side Special. Bowser Jr. would throw a bomb-omb, a goomba, or a koopa shell.
5. His down special I would like to be a reflector (personal preference)

This moveset would make Bowser Jr. very unique.
And you guys question my intelligence sometimes... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!

Oh an lastly please stop typing your text in dark color's they really hurt my eyes and it is kind of stupid to do because no one can read what your saying...
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!

 

[~automatic]

You know what I really wanna see return? (Slowly stepping away from the Mario discussion)

The trophy tussle events. Thoughts?

Trophy Tussle felt like way of padding the event match mode imo.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Heck yes!

I can imagine there being online tournaments for this, and the winner recieves the trophy. It's only obtainable by other players later on by DLC. (no more DLC talk please, just let me mention that one thing)

That is an incredibly incredible idea.

 

[Arcadenik]

Sakurai, PLEASE PUT THIS IN SMASH!!!!

Not gonna lie... Ampharos was my favorite Electric-type Pokémon in the original Gold. He was in my team. I wouldn't mind seeing Ampharos in Smash.

Sakurai, please make Meowth a playable character in Smash this time. Sakurai's cat could be one of Meowth's palette swaps...

 

[Johnknight1]

Trophy Tussle felt like way of padding the event match mode imo.

That is what most Event Match challenges felt like, but eh, at least it is something extra to do.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Trophy Tussle felt like way of padding the event match mode imo.

That is not a bad thing, though.

They were also fun unique stages.

Brawl felt like they kind of went eh on the stage list. Too many hazard-based stages that easily killed you. They had uniqueness, but they could've done it better without the Hazards.

Also, Poke Floats didn't come back.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Oh an lastly please stop typing your text in dark color's they really hurt my eyes and it is kind of stupid to do because no one can read what your saying...
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!

What are you talking about?

 

[Johnknight1]

What are you talking about?

SAKKKKKKKKKKKKKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(sorry, it needed to be said)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

There are so many people freaking out over why the hell Ampharos get's dragon type

I dunno about any of you, but he looks more like a friggin' dragon than any sheep I've ever seen

When Gold and Silver were being developed and Ampharos was revealed, I always thought it was a dragon pokemon

 

[FlareHabanero]

The Dragon subtype makes more sense when you consider that the Japanese name of Ampharos is Denryu, which can literally mean "electric dragon".

 

[Metal Overlord]

Ampharos was that ish

I never thought he was a dragon though lol

I could kinda see the sheep-like features in his design so I never really questioned it

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Ampharos was that ish

I never thought he was a dragon though lol

I could kinda see the sheep-like features in his design so I never really questioned it

They revealed Ampharos BEFORE his prevolutions

Seeing him before knowing he evolved from a sheep, I never imagined he evolved from a sheep

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

His name is also a pun on Dragon in Japan. This isn't too odd for Ampharos.

Mind you, not all puns make to other languages. All the Kanto Gym Leaders had flower-based names in Japan. We got names based around their elements to a degree. Brock... is enough said, or Boulder Rock if you want to push it. Misty is Mist, although she uses Water, not Ice. Blaine is a reference to Fire, Blaze and something else(I forget the exact naming in this case). Erika was a genus type of plant. Surge is an electric surge. Koga is after a specific School of ninjutsu called Kogaryu. Janine(Koga's replacement) happens to be a Ninja with an E added on and the letters mixed up.(not as cool as Koga) Sabrina comes from Brain. Namely the Brina part. Giovanni is Geo and Vanni, the first being around Earth, and the other dealing with Gangs. Blue is... the rival of Red. Nothing special in this case.

Anyway, I'm really really hoping that if Pokemon Trainer makes it back, they just give him/her multiple designs to finally smash the false identity of him being Red.(yes, he's based upon him, but that's quite literally it)

 

[~automatic]

The Dragon subtype makes more sense when you consider that the Japanese name of Ampharos is Denryu, which can literally mean "electric dragon".

Quoting in case anyone didn't see this.

I'm OK with Ampharos being whatever subtype as ling as it's an interesting mix.

Brawl felt like they kind of went eh on the stage list. Too many hazard-based stages that easily killed you. They had uniqueness, but they could've done it better without the Hazards.

But for Melee you had 5 variations of Battlefield and people thought the stages needed more variety. if you strip stages of hazards you're doing away with an element of Smash but if you give every stage a hazard then there will always be some form of factor external to the players. We get a ton of stages but you don;t have to play on all of them.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

But for Melee you had 5 variations of Battlefield and people thought the stages needed more variety. if you strip stages of hazards you're doing away with an element of Smash but if you give every stage a hazard then there will always be some form of factor external to the players. We get a ton of stages but you don;t have to play on all of them.

...And your point is? There were barely any viable Brawl stages, though. Melee and even 64 had a lot less deadly stages, so...

I don't mind having a decent list of hazard ones. I do mind when there's barely any blank stages at all. Which is a very tiny percent. Melee had a very perfect list of hazard/no hazard ratio. Neither was too high.

I'm fine with major hazards outside of any match that outright matters.

 

[Metal Overlord]

They revealed Ampharos BEFORE his prevolutions

Seeing him before knowing he evolved from a sheep, I never imagined he evolved from a sheep

Lol, I didn't know about either Mareep or Ampharos until I played Crystal (which was right around when the third generation first rolled around)

So that's why I never questioned it

 

[Deleted member]

Because Marth wielding FE13's Falchion is not canon.

So just because Marth wielding the reforged Falchion is "non-canon", it somehow negates the fact that someone NOT known for strength is somehow swinging a "two-handed" sword with one hand?



Wait,
Actually, what I just learned is that the Falchion apparently was ALWAYS a zweihander, even before it was reforged.
Huh. It appears swinging a two-handed sword with one hand isn't that special, especially when a bit of research shows that many characters do that if the sword is relatively light (a common trope in video games).
What makes Ike special is that he's swinging a two-handed sword with the Weight stat of 20 with one hand.
As for Falchion, the last game to give it a weight stat (Shadow Dragon) gave it a 7 with Nagi's version being a 9. Before that, FE3 had it at 10, half of Ike's. Only FE1 had it at a low weight of 3.
Which means, by gaming logic, Chrom and Lucina don't have to be "strong" to wield Falchion with one hand. They are only doing what Marth did before and what plenty of other characters do with other swords. So they aren't copying Ike, who is distinct in again, swinging a heavy sword with one hand.

And you still have yet to address my questioning on how Lucina is the "strongest Lord", when they only times she's got a higher strength cap than Chrom are when both are unpromoted and her mother is either the Avatar, Olivia, or the Maiden.

 

[ChronoBound]

I meant strongest lord in the sense as best as an unit.

You really like to start fights with people, huh. I have better things to do than to get into a nonstop slapfight with you.

The point is that Chrom has a lot of similarities with Ike, and that the characters give off similar vibes. Habanero, if he has the time can articulate this to you.

Have a good night.

 

[~automatic]

...And your point is? There were barely any viable Brawl stages, though. Melee and even 64 had a lot less deadly stages, so...

Just play on the stages you like.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Calling a zweihander sword a falcion is like calling a claymore a rapier

What's more ironic is the fact that zweihander literally means two handed

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I see a little bit of returning stage discussion...

Fountain of Dreams remake. Nuff said.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Just play on the stages you like.

I'll play on the... let me think... 5 courses(for non-casual play)? Okay.

Meanwhile I'll play on every course in 64(because none of them actually sucked in any way) and at least half of Melee's, if not most.

Brawl's was a travesty, and I couldn't even run a decent tourney of it if we wanted at least 10 courses. Because most of them are unusable.

Let me think of tourney-viable courses... Final Destination, Battlefield, Smashville, uh, let me think, viable... running a blank here.

I like some other courses, but I don't like them in tourney where it matters. And yes, I do not like being killed by the course while already trudging through a stupidly long Classic/All-Star just to get a lot of Trophies that were made literally harder to get. Zelda/Shiek and Samus/Zamus all have to go through with their own specific version? Worst idea yet. Oh, wait, Pokemon Trainer too in Classic(thankfully not in All-Star). WarioWare was a terrible stage and does nothing but kill the players. If I wanted to mostly fight the Computers, who are the real challenge(or should be) in Smash, I'll play the first two games where no course defined the game that damn badly that it was a chore instead of fun.

FYI, I found Brawl's Classic/All-Star so boring that my nephew got around half of the Trophies for me because it was the most trashy Single Player I've played since Shaq Fu and Aidyn Chronices: The First Mage.(hint, they're both terrible gameplay-wise, but at least they got cool characters)

 

[Fastblade5035]

I see a little bit of returning stage discussion...

Fountain of Dreams remake. Nuff said.

Meh, never cared much for it other than being nice to look at and good for 1v1's. I'd prefer the Von Starcutter from Return to Dreamland, so we could see SPACE in AMAAAAZING HD!!!11