Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Smooth Criminal]

Smooth Criminal

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Unless you count Mewtwo's new form, Mewtwo wouldn't really be considered as a newcomer, he was absent in Brawl, I'd personally call a character like that a comeback.

Notably, the new Forme and the character are more or less feminine. The original Mewtwo was presented as masculine. Unless the Forme change actually somehow comes with a gender, all three are genderless.(Old Mewtwo, new Mewtwo, and Awakening Forme)

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Notably, the new Forme and the character are more or less feminine. The original Mewtwo was presented as masculine. Unless the Forme change actually somehow comes with a gender, all three are genderless.(Old Mewtwo, new Mewtwo, and Awakening Forme)

I actually usually refer to Mewtwo as an it.

Not sure why I called Mewtwo a he then. Also, I hope the form change doesn't affect it's gender, there is already enough confusion of Sheik's gender.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I actually usually refer to Mewtwo as an it.

Not sure why I called Mewtwo a he then. Also, I hope the form change doesn't affect it's gender, there is already enough confusion of Sheik's gender.

Probably because he was clearly masculine in all of his appearances in the movies and Smash and the anime. It's understandable to think of him as male, personality-wise.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Probably because he was clearly masculine in all of his appearances in the movies and Smash and the anime. It's understandable to think of him as male, personality-wise.

Still, a lot of confusion over Sheik's gender. Mewtwo probably already has gender confusion because of the female one in the new special. Things like this always seem to be disputed over.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I actually usually refer to Mewtwo as an it.

Not sure why I called Mewtwo a he then. Also, I hope the form change doesn't affect it's gender, there is already enough confusion of Sheik's gender.

I think the awakened female Mewtwo is a separate being from the original Mewtwo. (at least in the anime; don't ask)
Maybe it has something to do with X and Y chromosomes.

And about your avatar: I always thought the pink flying Pikmin reminded me of a shiny Celebi.

I always hoped that Mario would look less, um, grumpy in Smash 4 than what we see in Brawl. Idk why, but I always get this impression that Mario's like really pissed or something in Brawl. If Brawl is srs bsns, then what makes Smash 4?

Because Brawl was meant to give off a more srs vibe than past games.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I thought this picture had settled once and for all that (at least the SSB incarnation of) Sheik is female. :D

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Still, a lot of confusion over Sheik's gender. Mewtwo probably already has gender confusion because of the female one in the new special. Things like this always seem to be disputed over.

It honestly simply depends what it's like in Smash if it actually shows up again.

And to be fair, Sheik was referred to as male in OOT till the reveal, so...(until the full remake on the 3DS). Also, if you didn't play all the way through and didn't have Sheik's Melee/Brawl trophy, you won't know it.(albeit, some may know it from the internet, but not everybody actually knew Shiek was Zelda, and some may still not know so)

Of course, facts are facts, and Mewtwo is still genderless. Keep in mind, for Pokemon, they don't deal with the sex/gender differences. Sex referring to what you physically are, and gender is your personality specifically. It seems that every Pokemon has a Gender(sex-based personality), but not everybody has a "Gender"(physical sex). But eh, it's hard for many people to know/deal with the difference between sex and gender, so I can them not dealing with it either. It's not even that common knowledge to know they're actually different. It's also rather confusing for children, who the Pokemon games sell to, so....

 

[Johnknight1]

I thought this picture had settled once and for all that (at least the SSB incarnation of) Sheik is female. :D

Yeah, and back when this picture was first shown, I used Microsoft Paint to draw a circle around a certain area and wrote "b00bs confirmed!!!"

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I think the awakened female Mewtwo is a separate being from the original Mewtwo. (at least in the anime; don't ask)
Maybe it has something to do with X and Y chromosomes.

And about your avatar: I always thought the pink flying Pikmin reminded me of a shiny Celebi.

That's what I think, but not everyone will think that.

Lol I guess it does look kind of like a shiney Celebi.

It honestly simply depends what it's like in Smash if it actually shows up again.

And to be fair, Sheik was referred to as male in OOT till the reveal, so...(until the full remake on the 3DS). Also, if you didn't play all the way through and didn't have Sheik's Melee/Brawl trophy, you won't know it.(albeit, some may know it from the internet, but not everybody actually knew Shiek was Zelda, and some may still not know so)

Of course, facts are facts, and Mewtwo is still genderless. Keep in mind, for Pokemon, they don't deal with the sex/gender differences. Sex referring to what you physically are, and gender is your personality specifically. It seems that every Pokemon has a Gender(sex-based personality), but not everybody has a "Gender"(physical sex). But eh, it's hard for many people to know/deal with the difference between sex and gender, so I can them not dealing with it either. It's not even that common knowledge to know they're actually different. It's also rather confusing for children, who the Pokemon games sell to, so....

Yeah, I understand this.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, I understand this.

Yeah, there's actually idiots who think that everybody knows Sheik and Zelda are the same person. The whole "common knowledge" crap is silly, Common knowledge doesn't apply to every person that exists, plain and simple.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Yeah, and back when this picture was first shown, I used Microsoft Paint to draw a circle around a certain area and wrote "b00bs confirmed!!!"

So it was YOU? XD

I was actually looking for THAT particular pic. But this had to do.

 

[Johnknight1]

So guys... who else thinks that Jigglypuff will be accidentally confirmed before its' official confirmation again=???

Because that happened in Melee (Miyamoto, who helped make Melee, accidentally confirmed Jigglypuff in said game) and Brawl (David Hayter confirmed Jigglypuff when talking about his work as Snake's voice actor, and that infamous sticker video confirmed Jigglypuff along with Lucario and Ness).

So if that happens again for both or either game, technically it will not just count as one games' accidental confirmation, but two (since they have the same roster).

Thus, that was mean Jigglypuff was leaked in 4 games in a row before Jigglypuff was supposed to be revealed!

#GottaKeepTheStreakGoing

 

[Oasis_S]

I feel like David Hayter was just trying to make a joke when he said he liked beating up on Jigglypuff.

NOT THAT IT MATTERS AT ALL.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Yeah, there's actually idiots who think that everybody knows Sheik and Zelda are the same person. The whole "common knowledge" crap is silly, Common knowledge doesn't apply to every person that exists, plain and simple.

Sad, but true.

Like I said, not everyone is going to know the same things, nor will everyone think like eachother. The latter part of my sentence is certainly a good thing, and the former can be either good or bad.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I thought this picture had settled once and for all that (at least the SSB incarnation of) Sheik is female. :D

There is also the fact the Zelda bible thing said that shiek was female

 

[Johnknight1]

So it was YOU? XD

I was actually looking for THAT particular pic. But this had to do.

I remember discussing it with you back in like October or November of 2007 about it on some thread.

And yes, it is hard to find, and it is buried somewhere in some Sheik thread...

...back in the days where I posted only in non-general threads. Boy have the times changed!

Also, I found this gift of a thread made by our very own Oasis back like 4 weeks before I joined SmashBoards in 2007 that I remember reading.

Oh, and I found this gem too (warning: kinda PG-13 humor)...

Spoiler

Made it myself.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I feel like David Hayter was just trying to make a joke when he said he liked beating up on Jigglypuff.

NOT THAT IT MATTERS AT ALL.

 

[Oasis_S]

...I kept ...making "of course" one word... so weak...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sad, but true.

Like I said, not everyone is going to know the same things, nor will everyone think like eachother. The latter part of my sentence is certainly a good thing, and the former can be either good or bad.

I like the idea that everybody has different views. There are certain things that should one equal view, that is, that everybody should be equal, regardless of gender, sex(as I noted, two different things), race, sexual orientation, etc.

Others, that's different. Like who they want in a game, and so on. On the other hand, some things should be obvious too; Like, let's take a Card Game example. You think that a card is likely to be banned. Sure, fine... as long as the card isn't re-printed in a new deck coming out during the same month as the new banlist, right? That's just one example of stupidity I've seen recently on the Pojo Yu-Gi-Oh forums. The card is Monster Reborn, fyi.

Anyway, getting back to Smash, a good one is thinking any of the original 12 aren't safe. Yeah, we know Jigglypuff might have not made it earlier. Key term being "might". Of course, that doesn't mean much, as there's no legitimate reason to remove her/it nowadays. She's a major part of Smash. Now, if she only showed up in Melee while Mewtwo was in the first two games, I could've agreed. But her status is pretty important. Also, obviously it was accidentally revealed earlier that she was planned well before her website reveal.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I like the idea that everybody has different views. There are certain things that should one equal view, that is, that everybody should be equal, regardless of gender, sex(as I noted, two different things), race, sexual orientation, etc.

Others, that's different. Like who they want in a game, and so on. On the other hand, some things should be obvious too; Like, let's take a Card Game example. You think that a card is likely to be banned. Sure, fine... as long as the card isn't re-printed in a new deck coming out during the same month as the new banlist, right? That's just one example of stupidity I've seen recently on the Pojo Yu-Gi-Oh forums. The card is Monster Reborn, fyi.

Anyway, getting back to Smash, a good one is thinking any of the original 12 aren't safe. Yeah, we know Jigglypuff might have not made it earlier. Keep term being "might". Of course, that doesn't mean much, as there's no legitimate reason to remove her/it nowadays. She's a major part of Smash. Now, if she only showed up in Melee while Mewtwo was in the first two games, I could've agreed. But her status is pretty important.

As part of the original 12, as well as her new status as a fairy type Pokemon, I don't see any reason for her not to get in.

But, if issues occur, she's still low priority, and if need be, she may very well have to go. I'd be upset, yet, not surprised if she was leaving. I'm not saying it's likely she'll be cut though. I would personally rather have Lucario removed though, if they are both planned and issue had to have the staff choose one of them to be cut.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

As part of the original 12, as well as her new status as a fairy type Pokemon, I don't see any reason for her not to get in.

But, if issues occur, she's still low priority, and if need be, she may very well have to go. I'd be upset, yet, not surprised if she was leaving. I'm not saying it's likely she'll be cut though. I would personally rather have Lucario removed though, if they are both planned and issue had to have the staff choose one of them to be cut.

She's higher priority than Pokemon Trainer and Lucario, ultimately. She's newer than both, has something new with Fairy, and part of the original 12. Only Pokemon of higher priority is ultimately Pikachu and that's it.

Also, Trainer has two models onscreen at once, so that may hurt his chances of returning. Lucario is a bit old, although still popular, so I can see him staying too. Honestly, I could see just Mewtwo(with or without the new Forme) and a new Pokemon coming in with the Brawl and 64 Roster kept intact and leave it at that. 6 overall slots isn't unbelievable for Pokemon at all. Mario probably could get atleast 5 total slots.(I am not counting the sub-series with their own symbols here)

 

[IsmaR]

...I kept ...making "of course" one word... so weak...

It was before She whipped you into shape.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

She's higher priority than Pokemon Trainer and Lucario, ultimately. She's newer than both, has something new with Fairy, and part of the original 12. Only Pokemon of higher priority is ultimately Pikachu and that's it.

Also, Trainer has two models onscreen at once, so that may hurt his chances of returning. Lucario is a bit old, although still popular, so I can see him staying too. Honestly, I could see just Mewtwo(with or without the new Forme) and a new Pokemon coming in with the Brawl and 64 Roster kept intact and leave it at that. 6 overall slots isn't unbelievable for Pokemon at all. Mario probably could get atleast 5 total slots.(I am not counting the sub-series with their own symbols here)

In Melee Mario had more characters than Pokemon, and in Brawl techincally Pokemon had more characters than Mario. They usually have more reps/characters than the rest of the franchises, which doesn't surprise me given the amount of potential characters and the fact at how Mario and Pokemon have higher selling rates than anything other video game series in the world. (according to Wikipedia, which I trust as it has so far never proven wrong for me)

Lucario's moveset in Brawl was pretty bland, if they keep him I certainly want him to have a new moveset. I guess I was only thinking about Brawl when I said Jiggs was low priority, she most likely is high priority as of now. Jiggs has not over stayed her welcome in Smash in my book, and theres no reason for any character from the very first game to not appear in any future Smash games.

 

[Johnknight1]

Going down memory lane, I found this adorable post I made!!! (Mario & Sonic Guy should love it!)

BTW, hindsight, I totally owned that annoying scrub Luke Groundwalker with this post with my hindsight being super right powers.

And Pokémon has more playable characters than any other franchise because it has the best and biggest choices. I mean seriously, Mewtwo, Pichu, and Plusle and Minun are all viable choices still on the table, and any of them could still be playable.

That's not even counting a new potential Generation V or VI playable Pokémon or two.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

In Melee Mario had more characters than Pokemon, and in Brawl techincally Pokemon had more characters than Mario. They usually have more reps/characters than the rest of the franchises, which doesn't surprise me given the amount of potential characters and the fact at how Mario and Pokemon have higher selling rates than anything other video game series in the world. (according to Wikipedia, which I trust as it has so far never proven wrong for me)

Lucario's moveset in Brawl was pretty bland, if they keep him I certainly want him to have a new moveset. I guess I was only thinking about Brawl when I said Jiggs was low priority, she most likely is high priority as of now. Jiggs has not over stayed her welcome in Smash in my book, and theres no reason for any character from the very first game to not appear in any future Smash games.

You mean any playable character. The Polygons are gone, after all. XD

As for Lucario, I thought he was pretty cool. I actually didn't think there was anything wrong with his moveset, and it felt interesting enough. But to each their own.

But seriously, that's true. And yeah, I get what you mean now. For For, I don't see how Jigglypuff is low priority anymore. She has no competition space-wise either. 6 playable slots? Not a problem at all. Mario could still get that as is, with Toad/Bowser Jr.(with or without Shadow Mario)/Waluigi/Paper Mario/Somebody else that might be notable enough though. And even then, it shouldn't matter about the whole "overrepped" crap. Otherwise the Mother series is seriously overrepped while the Donkey Kong and F-Zero series(and the Metroid, although it at least has two characters and not a super giant amount of games) is underrepped... see what I'm getting at? My saying is; If it doesn't have a character, it can be considered underrepped. No exceptions. And that's only if they have a plausible character.

Also, unrelated, even if we don't get a Namco-Bandai character, we still could get courses from the company's series. That wouldn't be a bad thing at all.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Going down memory lane, I found this adorable post I made!!! (Mario & Sonic Guy should love it!)

BTW, hindsight, I totally owned that annoying scrub Luke Groundwalker with this post with my hindsight being super right powers.

And Pokémon has more playable characters than any other franchise because it has the best and biggest choices. I mean seriously, Mewtwo, Pichu, and Plusle and Minun are all viable choices still on the table, and any of them could still be playable.

That's not even counting a new potential Generation V or VI playable Pokémon or two.

I support Plusle and Minun. Always will for any future Smash games.

You mean any playable character. The Polygons are gone, after all. XD

As for Lucario, I thought he was pretty cool. I actually didn't think there was anything wrong with his moveset, and it felt interesting enough. But to each their own.

But seriously, that's true. And yeah, I get what you mean now. For For, I don't see how Jigglypuff is low priority anymore. She has no competition space-wise either. 6 playable slots? Not a problem at all. Mario could still get that as is, with Toad/Bowser Jr.(with or without Shadow Mario)/Waluigi/Paper Mario/Somebody else that might be notable enough though. And even then, it shouldn't matter about the whole "overrepped" crap. Otherwise the Mother series is seriously overrepped while the Donkey Kong and F-Zero series(and the Metroid, although it at least has two characters and not a super giant amount of games) is underrepped... see what I'm getting at? My saying is; If it doesn't have a character, it can be considered underrepped. No exceptions. And that's only if they have a plausible character.

Also, unrelated, even if we don't get a Namco-Bandai character, we still could get courses from the company's series. That wouldn't be a bad thing at all.

Agreed on the last two notes.

I thought Lucario's moveset was kind of bland. It was mostly him just blasting short ranged aura in different directions, with little difference in effect aside from direction. His specials didn't impress me that much either, aside from his N-special.

DK seriously needs K. Rool, Dixie, or best case scenario; both. They both have a lot of potential, and are easily recognizable and popular.

 

[Johnknight1]

I found this awesome ownage by Psycho in the Sheik thread too. A bunch of idiots telling him Sheik wouldn't be based off Twilight Princess... those morons. Thank God we scared away those people!

I support Plusle and Minun. Always will for any future Smash games.

I think the concept of them is too good not to support IMO.

Also, the worst part about Lucario is he doesn't use enough Pokémon attacks. His sky uppercut, for instance, would make a great up smash (see: Project M). Oh, and his aura system sucks.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I support Plusle and Minun. Always will for any future Smash games.

Same. But I kind of want Gen 5/6 characters too. And there is the fact that there was tons of Gen III representation through the Pokeballs.

Agreed on the last two notes.

I thought Lucario's moveset was kind of bland. It was mostly him just blasting short ranged aura in different directions, with little difference in effect aside from direction. His specials didn't impress me that much either, aside from his N-special.

DK seriously needs K. Rool, Dixie, or best case scenario; both. They both have a lot of potential, and are easily recognizable and popular.

I loved his Aura System however. It was an amazing idea that actually gave him an unique playstyle that nobody else had. Now, I wouldn't mind if Pichu had something similar, since that would make him actually more viable while keeping his old "damage himself" system. They could give a few more moves to Lucario if he comes back, though.

My order is K. Rool > Dixie Kong. I want both, though.

 

[Oasis_S]

HUH, vesperview, that sounds familiar and unpleasant.

 

[Johnknight1]

HUH, vesperview, that sounds familiar and unpleasant.

Another one of those pre-Brawl morons probably. Thank goodness the idiots are a lot less numerous.

Heck, the amount of posters is a lot less here than the Brawl Boards back then.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Another one of those pre-Brawl morons probably. Thank goodness the idiots are a lot less numerous.

Heck, the amount of posters is a lot less here than the Brawl Boards back then.

In ways, that is both good and bad.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Another one of those pre-Brawl morons probably. Thank goodness the idiots are a lot less numerous.

Heck, the amount of posters is a lot less here than the Brawl Boards back then.

Ugh.. I don't usually hate people, but Vesperview, I did hate. An unbearable Masked Man fanboy.

-

I had completely forgotten we discussed Sheik back then, must have dumped my memory once I felt not a lot of people here remembered me.

And lol at that 2nd pic, I remember it too. XD

 

[Demna]

I'm dead tired by now and have to be awake for another 12 hours for a specific reason, fml. To kill time, I'd like to ask somewhat of an interesting question. What are the top 3 Nintendo games that you ever played? Please include why as well. (This is just personal opinion, don't take it seriously if someone liked a game you disliked). For myself:
3- Mario party 5: It was just too good of a game in my opinion, I really liked its mini games especially Hotel Goomba. My family and I played the crap out of it
2- Luigi's mansion: Oooooh boy the memories behind this game , I remember my cousins and I playing this when we were around 8-10 years old. We would hide under sheets and play it in the dark. The scariest part of the game was in the beginning when the portraits were alive and talking . I surely do cherish the memories behind Luigi's mansion, it reminded me of how awesome my cousins used to be before becoming League of Legends addicts
1- Super Smash Bros. Brawl: I never thought I'd play a game for almost 6 years and won't get bored of it. I personally create my own mini-games with friends, create DnDs based off Brawl, and play the game creatively. It's just an awesome game both competitively and casually.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Found this, got a good laugh or two;

 

[Oasis_S]

I like that guy that said "Despite logic, Shiek is returning."

"Logic" was a word that got thrown around so much back then... Gross.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Plusle and Minum I sort of picture them working like 2 Pichus attacking like Ice Climbers.

I have a feeling Sakurai might want to give them a new gimmick to keep both P&M and Ice Climbers unique.
We have swapping, we have tag-team... any other way to represent 2 characters at once? Perhaps as inseparable?

 

[MexM]

Found this, got a good laugh or two;

What happens after the gif ends?...

 

[Fastblade5035]

I'm dead tired by now and have to be awake for another 12 hours for a specific reason, fml. To kill time, I'd like to ask somewhat of an interesting question. What are the top 3 Nintendo games that you ever played? Please include why as well. (This is just personal opinion, don't take it seriously if someone liked a game you disliked). For myself:
3- Mario party 5: It was just too good of a game in my opinion, I really liked its mini games especially Hotel Goomba. My family and I played the crap out of it
2- Luigi's mansion: Oooooh boy the memories behind this game , I remember my cousins and I playing this when we were around 8-10 years old. We would hide under sheets and play it in the dark. The scariest part of the game was in the beginning when the portraits were alive and talking . I surely do cherish the memories behind Luigi's mansion, it reminded me of how awesome my cousins used to be before becoming League of Legends addicts
1- Super Smash Bros. Brawl: I never thought I'd play a game for almost 6 years and won't get bored of it. I personally create my own mini-games with friends, create DnDs based off Brawl, and play the game creatively. It's just an awesome game both competitively and casually.

3. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

I don't care if it was too similar to Ocarina, if the graphics were meh, if it was too drawn out and dark. I ****ing loved it. The Sword techniques are just plain awesome, the items are cool, the soundtrack is amazing, the dungeons just look great, the bosses are extraordinarily epic, and Link is just flat out Badass in Twilight Princess.

2. Kid Icarus: Uprising

Yep, I just finished it about a week ago and its just AMAZING. The voices are excellent, the character development is great, (Hades doesn't get the Ganondorf treatment, you actually care about Dark Pit, Magnus is gruff but loveable, Viridi is harsh but caring and clever, etc.) The items, OH GOSH THE ITEMS. So many to choose m, my personal favorites are the Upperdash Arm, Silver Bow, Crystal Bow, and Earthmaul Club. The gameplay is solid and fun (granted you adjust them first) and the soundtrack is almost, if not better than Twilight Princess.

1. DRAW
Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Fire Emblem: Awakening

OK, since this is a draw, I'll split it into two sections,

Brawl is fantastic. I was able to pick it up, choose Pokemon Trainer and roll with it easily, unlike Melee where I SD'd half the time because of the screwy weight and speed of the game. Brawl had more content, MUCH, MUCH better music, a better roster, (suck it Roy) and I even enjoyed Subspace Emissary.
Nowadays, I make up my own scenarios (Ex. Ike and Samus hunting down Link for a bounty reward from Ganondorf) make up my own tier lists for Special Modes, and create stages everyday. Truly a step- no, TWO steps up from Melee.

Fire Emblem Awakening was the first Fire Emblem I've ever purchased, so I was very pleased to see how simple, yet engaging the combat was. The characters are all memorable (except for that one guy in chapter 3... Who is he again?)
You have someone for everyone, really. The flirt, Inigo, the lover, Cordelia, the loud, hard headed muscles, Vaike, the 1,000 year old prepubescent looking dragon girl, Nowi, ALL of them are here. Supports really make the game, and once I learned how broken you could make units, I couldnt stop grinding and training.

Honorable mentions;
Animal Crossing New Leaf
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Star Fox 64

 

[Fastblade5035]

What happens after the gif ends?...

The world explodes because the Wii U actually starts selling.