Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Salty the SLUG]

If Nintendo's "online multiplayer" was as good as everyone elses', they'd be an even bigger company than they are now.

 

[Metal Overlord]

So! I'm finally moved into my new house! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No more days filled with so much work my disabled body can't walk!

Let's have a party!

 

[Johnknight1]

No online for 3D World? Kinda expected that honestly but yeah it's a shame

We all expected it, but it still is a MASSIVE disappointment.

I guess Sony and Microsoft support online gaming and not locking people into stupid regions. In other words, they do what Nintendon't.

Sony and Microsoft will also probably will have consoles that in their first year, people will buy in their from March to June!!!!

 

[Metal Overlord]

We all expected it, but it still is a MASSIVE disappointment.

I guess Sony and Microsoft support online gaming and not locking people into stupid regions. In other words, they do what Nintendon't.

Sony and Microsoft will also probably will have consoles that in their first year, people will buy in their from March to June!!!!

I still to this day do not get the point of region-locking, lol

 

[Johnknight1]

If Nintendo's "online multiplayer" was as good as everyone elses', they'd be an even bigger company than they are now.

The DS and 3DS have solid online. It is the fact both had better online than the Wii (and it wasn't even within the same stratosphere) that is laughable.

If the Wii had the same quality of online as the PS3 did, Nintendo would have sold 150 million of those things by now, and Sony or Microsoft might have given up by now. Seriously, it is like a huge part of their technological department is run by idiots.

I bet if the company wasn't so "loyal" to ALL of their employees and had better performance standards that said people would be fired, Nintendo would hire better works with more skill(s) and better ideas, and Nintendo and their customers. would be way better off for it.

All I care about is Samus' seemingly buffed Nair. Dat length man.

That and Samus seemingly obvious increase in strength and speed, both of which were sorely lacking in Brawl.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Technically Mario Kart 8's "release window" is Spring 2014, but of course, that is open to being changed.

Yeah, the lack of online is stupid, and I hope it bites Nintendo in the butt so they can learn from their mistakes already. Heck, I hope Pikmin 3 sales falter because of it. Online multiplayer is now a STANDARD FEATURE on ALMOST ALL MULTIPLAYERS!!! In fact, that has been the case FOR NEARLY A DECADE!!!

Nintendo should have learned this already. The online for Mario Kart Wii literally probably "sold" the game to millions of people... JUST THE ONLINE!!! If Brawl's online was as good as Mario Kart Wii's online (which honestly isn't that good, but at least it is playable), then Brawl would have sold several million more copies.

I swear, all of this "stuck in the stone age" multiplayer without online, region-locking, and lack of leader boards is why I am glad I am no blind Nintendo fanboy. Some of these idiots are even praising Nintendo for there not being online multiplayer in Pikmin 3. Last I checked, all other modern RTS' in the universe had online multiplayer.

This is the kind of crap that could lead to the Wii U getting Dreamcast'd, and is why Nintendo ought to catch up with the times of these issues that really aren't debatable. Heck, at least make them (FREE!!!) DLC later to "make up" for their shortsightedness and poor developing time frames.

If only I can like some thing more than once bro... if only.

Luigi seems too big. He could pluck off Link's head with that giant hand.

LOL!? are they similar in comparisons to their sizes in Brawl? Also...

Is it me or do Mario and Luigi look like bobble head dolls on the 3DS version???

 

[Salty the SLUG]

The DS and 3DS have solid online. It is the fact both had better online than the Wii (and it wasn't even within the same stratosphere) that is laughable.

If the Wii had the same quality of online as the PS3 did, Nintendo would have sold 150 million of those things by now, and Sony or Microsoft might have given up by now.

That and Samus seemingly obvious increase in strength and speed, both of which were sorely lacking in Brawl.

Oops, I forgot to say the key word "consoles". Anywho, yes, the DS systems have very solid and sturdy online capabilities. I do not understand how exactly they did not get it down pat with both game systems. However, since the Wii is the older one of the two, perhaps it just needs upgrading?

 

[Johnknight1]

I still to this day do not get the point of region-locking, lol

It is a money grab for the publishers so that games released say 6 months apart in different regions aren't at different price points, and thus making them less money. Really, it could be solved if developers just made international same day releases, but no, developers like Square Enix, Nintendo with a lot of games (Brawl, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower, etc), and Capcom have to be stupid about it.

 

[Big-Cat]

Probably the one time I've seen Black people dancing nerfed to White people tier.

 

[Starphoenix]

Betting that September's reveal is going to be Ness. October is going to be interesting with Pokemon X/Y released. Almost guarantee there will be someone shown off, which is partly why I'm not going off the deep end if Sonic does not show up around Lost World's release, especially when Mario and Sonic at the Sochi Games and the mystery exclusive Sonic title are still on the horizon.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Star
September seems like a perfect month for Toon Link, since the Wind Waker HD comes out in Japan there in September (but elsewhere October).

If only I can like some thing more than once bro... if only.

Well Nintendo's online with the DS and 3DS is IMO very adequate, and I am happy with it (sans it not supporting certain internet protection on both consoles, which was a huge misstep, and should totally be 3DS DLC if it already isn't). It is the fact Nintendo under utilizes the internet in their games and technology that pisses me and other people off.

ALL RTS' lifespan are determined by online multiplayer primarily, and with none, Pikmin 3's multiplayer won't be a thing a year down the line, whereas if it had online, it would be huge, and the game would sell a million copies by October, easily.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Needs more newcomers, definitely needs to squeeze in newcomers. At least, have less emphasis on Mario characters.

 

[Johnknight1]

Oops, I forgot to say the key word "consoles". Anywho, yes, the DS systems have very solid and sturdy online capabilities. I do not understand how exactly they did not get it down pat with both game systems. However, since the Wii is the older one of the two, perhaps it just needs upgrading?

Still inexcusable, especially since the Wii had DLC/update capabilities. The PS3's online wasn't all that great early on (from what I can remember), but online updates made it eventually a fairly stable, reliable, and enjoyable online infrastructure.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Needs more newcomers, definitely needs to squeeze in newcomers. At least, have less emphasis on Mario characters.

There's a chance that we can get another Vet. reveal tomorrow.

 

[Big-Cat]

Every time I'm reminded of the blatantly obvious things that Nintendo doesn't do - like online multiplayer, the more I'm hesitant to get a WiiU until Smash 4 comes out. Or Bayonetta

 

[Metal Overlord]

I'm probably not going to get a Wii U in the near future

Hoping my little stepbrother gets that and Smash so that I can just play it over there

 

[Big-Cat]

I'm sold on buying a PS4, but that WiiU has so much freaking potential and they just fall flat. Seriously. I just need online multiplayer as an option, wired controllers (a simple driver update), and cross-game voice chat to be happy.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

I'm probably not going to get a Wii U in the near future

Hoping my little stepbrother gets that and Smash so that I can just play it over there

Honestly, it's a little too expensive for what it offers now. I'm waiting until the "Christmas sale" to buy one.

 

[LiteralGrill]

I'm putting just about 100% focus on the 3DS version myself.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Well Nintendo's online with the DS and 3DS is IMO very adequate, and I am happy with it (sans it not supporting certain internet protection on both consoles, which was a huge misstep, and should totally be 3DS DLC if it already isn't). It is the fact Nintendo under utilizes the internet in their games and technology that pisses me and other people off.

ALL RTS' lifespan are determined by online multiplayer primarily, and with none, Pikmin 3's multiplayer won't be a thing a year down the line, whereas if it had online, it would be huge, and the game would sell a million copies by October, easily.

I hear the 3DS is suppose to get an update to overhaul the system's UI to be inline with Wii U's and include Miiverse as well.
I agree! They have everything at their disposal to make a killer system and ecosystem for gaming and they seem so reluctant to do these things. No built in voice chat support?

I also just wish Nintendo had the foresight to put more power in the system. They had the money to do it too.
They should of thought ahead so that they wouldn't be passed over due to their system being too weak.
If they opted to go with the latest version of Direct X we would be getting Kingdom Hearts 3.

It may sound like I'm being hard on Nintendo, but like you said we the fans see the potential and Nintendo seems so oblivious to it.

 

[Johnknight1]

Needs more newcomers, definitely needs to squeeze in newcomers.

In my estimations, at best, we got at most we probably got 10 newcomers left. At worst, we have something like 5 newcomers left.

Why reveal more than one of them this year when you can save them for next year (and for 2015 once either or both games get inevitably delayed)=???

 

[Salty the SLUG]

I'm sold on buying a PS4, but that WiiU has so much freaking potential and they just fall flat. Seriously. I just need online multiplayer as an option, wired controllers (a simple driver update), and cross-game voice chat to be happy.

There's are third party Gamecube-controller adapter for the Wii U on Amazon.

 

[Gargaglione]

Technically Mario Kart 8's "release window" is Spring 2014, but of course, that is open to being changed.

Yeah, the lack of online is stupid, and I hope it bites Nintendo in the butt so they can learn from their mistakes already. Heck, I hope Pikmin 3 sales falter because of it. Online multiplayer is now a STANDARD FEATURE on ALMOST ALL MULTIPLAYERS!!! In fact, that has been the case FOR NEARLY A DECADE!!!

Nintendo should have learned this already. The online for Mario Kart Wii literally probably "sold" the game to millions of people... JUST THE ONLINE!!! If Brawl's online was as good as Mario Kart Wii's online (which honestly isn't that good, but at least it is playable), then Brawl would have sold several million more copies.

I swear, all of this "stuck in the stone age" multiplayer without online, region-locking, and lack of leader boards is why I am glad I am no blind Nintendo fanboy. Some of these idiots are even praising Nintendo for there not being online multiplayer in Pikmin 3. Last I checked, all other modern RTS' in the universe had online multiplayer.

I very much agree that Nintendo should start implementing online multiplayer in some of their games, but...
1) Pikmin 3 really wouldn't benefit that much at all from online, especially since the coop requires a very good amount of communication.
2) Let's be real, Mario Kart Wii sold because it was Mario Kart on the Wii. The whole motion control and steering wheel gimmick is what made it sell. Most kiddos and Mario Kart fans don't care much for online, much less buy a game because of it.
3) Yea, Online Multiplayer is a STANDARD FEATURE. You know what else is a STANDARD FEATURE? Local Multiplayer, and not FOR NEARLY A DECADE, but DECADES.
Nintendo's the only one who really keeps that alive and well.
I don't see you complaining about how GTA4 and GTA5 don't have local multiplayer, or how Left 4 Dead doesn't support local multiplayer for more than 2 people, or MGS Peacewalker for the PS3/360 doesnt support local, and how almost every new-gen game disregards it, or doesn't make the local multiplayer feature competent or fun.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

You know, I'm good with Brawl Wario, but HOLY CRAP, do I want Project M Wario in Smash 4 now.

 

[Big-Cat]

There's are third party Gamecube-controller adapter for the Wii U on Amazon.

Don't those require the WiiU gamepad though? I'm talking purely USB wired controllers.

3) Yea, Online Multiplayer is a STANDARD FEATURE. You know what else is a STANDARD FEATURE? Local Multiplayer, and not FOR NEARLY A DECADE, but DECADES.
Nintendo's the only one who really keeps that alive and well.

Along with every single fighting game ever made to say the least.

Here's a problem though. What if you don't have friends that play the games you play? That's where online multiplayer comes in for people like me.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Garg
With Pikmin 3, I am talking about online versus multiplayer, like there was in Pikmin 2. All RTS' made by companies with actual experience at making RTS' know that replay value is highly reliant on online versus multiplayer (not co-op, lol; that's stupid to rely on that so much), and thus sales are highly reliant it.

As for Mario Kart Wii, the motion control wheel controls didn't sell it much as the online (especially since Gran Turismo had something similar already). The fact that Mario Kart Wii was like the one Wii game with solid online in a franchise a lot of people care about is what sold that game to the universe.

Every time I'm reminded of the blatantly obvious things that Nintendo doesn't do - like online multiplayer, the more I'm hesitant to get a WiiU until Smash 4 comes out. Or Bayonetta

I'm probably not going to get a Wii U until the console gets really good or until Smash WiiU is about to come out.

Plus, I still need to get a 3DS, and currently, that system is so superior that it is laughable to compare it to the Wii U.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Don't those require the WiiU gamepad though? I'm talking purely USB wired controllers.


Along with every single fighting game ever made to say the least.

Here's a problem though. What if you don't have friends that play the games you play? That's where online multiplayer comes in for people like me.

I believe all you need is a Gcube controller, the wii's gamecube ports (where you plug the controller in), and thats where you put the adapter. You can probably guess what to do with the Controller.

 

[Johnknight1]

I don't see you complaining about how GTA4 and GTA5 don't have local multiplayer, or how Left 4 Dead doesn't support local multiplayer for more than 2 people, or MGS Peacewalker for the PS3/360 doesnt support local, and how almost every new-gen game disregards it, or doesn't make the local multiplayer feature competent or fun.

All of those games (on the PC) support local multiplayer... at least on the PC version (via LAN), which is local multiplayer.

Plus c'mon!!! Who would want to play GTA with local multiplayer with more than 4 players=??? There would be too much going on, and the screen and the speakers would go into overdrive. That sounds dumb. As for Left 4 Dead... eh. It's made for the PC. If you bought another version, you done messed up. It supports LAN beyond 4 players, actually.

MGS... eh. It has never had local multiplayer. Besides, that is just one franchise.

Still, local multiplayer on all those games would be a nice feature, although I don't see it "working" for GTA IV or V past 2 players. Although at least in the case of those games PEOPLE ACTUALLY OWN THOSE CONSOLES!!!

Also, online multiplayer moves way more consoles and copies than local multiplayer. The fact Nintendo fails to realize that is stupid. On top of that, Nintendo rarely supports LAN. Heck, consoles rarely support LAN. Why is that=??? LAN is awesome.

But if you want to get on the topic of stupid things companies support or don't support, why are you letting Nintendo get away with no online multiplayer for multiplayer games, no LAN for lots of games that could use it, region locking on all recent Nintendo consoles, oh, and no support for wired controllers.

 

[Gargaglione]

Along with every single fighting game ever made to say the least.

Here's a problem though. What if you don't have friends that play the games you play? That's where online multiplayer comes in for people like me.

I'm not down-talking online multiplayer, I agree with you.
I'm saying that people are dismissive when it comes to the negligence of local multiplayer, but get all fussy over online.

@Johnknight
Yea, it still wouldn't be game-changing though. Bingo Battle's really fun, but it isn't the star of the show in Pikmin 3.

I'm very confident that the new motion controls and the Wii branding sold Mario Kart Wii more copies than the online multiplayer. Also, that logic with Gran Turismo doesn't even make sense, a LOT more people bought Mario Kart Wii, and Gran Turismo also has online.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

But if you want to get on the topic of stupid things companies support or don't support, why are you letting Nintendo get away with no online multiplayer for multiplayer games, no LAN for lots of games that could use it, region locking on all recent Nintendo consoles, oh, and no support for wired controllers.

I don't get the need for wired controllers. I have a Pro Controller that I just hook up to a Wiimote, and it does wonders. I mean, I get it for tournament play, but that's about it, really.

And Mario Kart didn't sell like crazy because of motion controls OR online multiplayer. It sold like crazy for the simple reason that it's Mario Kart.

 

[Croph]

OMG I'm so late on this but... just got back from vaca and like I've noticed the new mods! Congratulations!

And Luigi's been confirmed?! That's too cool! But we don't know any moves, huh?

Buuut could this pose be part of the beginning animation to the Green Missile attack?

Spoiler

Who knows... only time will tell.

But seriously, THANK GOODNESS LUIGI'S CONFIRMED. I DIDN'T THINK HE'LL RETURN CUZ HE'S A CLOONE, 'CEPT HE'S GREN. GO WEEGEE!!

 

[MexM]

And Luigi's been confirmed?! That's too cool! But we don't know any moves, huh?

We know he still has his green fireball.

 

[SoldierSunday]

He still gonna have the move with the butt.

 

[Big-Cat]

I don't get the need for wired controllers. I have a Pro Controller that I just hook up to a Wiimote, and it does wonders. I mean, I get it for tournament play, but that's about it, really.

That's one of the primary reasons. Tournament play would have to have wired controllers. One would to reduce as much input lag as possible. The other is to not deal with signal interference.

@Gargoline
Typically, online multiplayer implies local multiplayer.

@John
You know? That's a good question. A lot of games would benefit from a LAN option. Mario Kart comes to mind as one particular example.

 

[---]

Spoiler

Who knows... only time will tell.

I only just now noticed, but holy crap they finally got rid of Mario's poker face.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

He still gonna have the move with the butt.

And the move where he runs forward throwing his hands out in scared little punches.

 

[Gargaglione]

All of those games (on the PC) support local multiplayer... at least on the PC version (via LAN), which is local multiplayer.

Plus c'mon!!! Who would want to play GTA with local multiplayer with more than 4 players=??? There would be too much going on, and the screen and the speakers would go into overdrive. That sounds dumb. As for Left 4 Dead... eh. It's made for the PC. If you bought another version, you done messed up. It supports LAN beyond 4 players, actually.

MGS... eh. It has never had local multiplayer. Besides, that is just one franchise.

Still, local multiplayer on all those games would be a nice feature, although I don't see it "working" for GTA IV or V past 2 players. Although at least in the case of those games PEOPLE ACTUALLY OWN THOSE CONSOLES!!!

Also, online multiplayer moves way more consoles and copies than local multiplayer. The fact Nintendo fails to realize that is stupid. On top of that, Nintendo rarely supports LAN. Heck, consoles rarely support LAN. Why is that=??? LAN is awesome.

But if you want to get on the topic of stupid things companies support or don't support, why are you letting Nintendo get away with no online multiplayer for multiplayer games, no LAN for lots of games that could use it, region locking on all recent Nintendo consoles, oh, and no support for wired controllers.

LAN doesn't count. I don't expect to have friends come over my house with a game console and same copies of the games I own. That's nothing like having just a local multiplayer feature.

"MGS... eh. It has never had local multiplayer. Besides, that is just one franchise."... No, many franchises are guilty of this. Plus, Pikmin has never had online. What makes it more excusable for MGS Peace Walker (A game with a MUCH larger focus on multiplayer) to not have local multiplayer?

GTA doesnt even offer local multiplayer for TWO people, much less four. I'd love to play GTA local multiplayer.

L4D? Wait? You're saying I should just buy it for another system?
That's the equivalent of me telling you to just not play Nintendo games if you don't like them for not having online

I'm not letting Nintendo get away for not having online. The fact is, everyone's letting everyone else get away for not having local multiplayer.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I only just now noticed, but holy crap they finally got rid of Mario's poker face.

A lot of characters in general seem to have more personality this time around, which is probably contributed to the varies screenshots having more zest.

 

[Johnknight1]

@Johnknight
Yea, it still wouldn't be game-changing though. Bingo Battle's really fun, but it isn't the star of the show in Pikmin 3.

I'm very confident that the new motion controls and the Wii branding sold Mario Kart Wii more copies than the online multiplayer. Also, that logic with Gran Turismo doesn't even make sense, a LOT more people bought Mario Kart Wii, and Gran Turismo also has online.

Yes, online multiplayer would be the difference from turning Pikmin 3 to just a "nice" game to a game you have to check out, which is why Pikmin as a franchise has yet to not even come close to being a "must buy" franchise like a multitude of other Nintendo franchises are.

Oh, and trust me, I know my RTS', and the online multiplayer determines a lot. Just look at Company of Heroes, Total War, Warcraft, or Starcraft if you want to see what online multiplayer can do for an RTS.

And the difference with Gran Turismo is it is a game on a console with a lot of quality online games with great online. Mario Kart Wii was like the one big title on the Wii with quality online. There is a huge difference right there.

 

[Croph]

I only just now noticed, but holy crap they got rid of Mario's poker face.

I always hoped that Mario would look less, um, grumpy in Smash 4 than what we see in Brawl. Idk why, but I always get this impression that Mario's like really pissed or something in Brawl. If Brawl is srs bsns, then what makes Smash 4?