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Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

#HBC | Red Ryu

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RedRyu, are you earnestly going to continue to damn Moriarty for "bullying" the rest of this ****ing game? You're being seriously useless at the moment because you're completely backpedaling us into stuff that was hardly scummy yesterDay already. Being supposedly unable to make more than 1 post with words each Day does not justify you not contributing to our current discussion.

We moved from D1.
You didn't.

Posting almost only pictures is not an excuse for this.

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Going to talk to Tom about him outing today so I can just post from here. Filler post to say I'm reading now <3.
 

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Ran, have you finished reading up on everything?
Nevermind, saw zen saying he shot. K. anyone think Zen's role might be an executioner role like J's in Inception Mafia? (J had a one shot)
Would your opinion change if I had not shot X1? Explain to me why you felt I was scum before reading that I shot X1.
Circus or Nabe can go.

Nabe because he asked Circus a question that Circus had already answered, meaning he skimmed. Nabe also didn't really read deeply into Gheb, but when asked, had to re-read more about him before going further.
Question: Why Circus?
Question: Which question that Nabe asked Circus are you referring to? I've spotted tells of Gheb skimming in this game as well. Would you be willing to lynch Gheb for skimming as you are with Nabe?
Question: What do you think about Hep Alien?
Question: What do you think about Radfic?
Question: Would you be willing to lynch based off inactivity today? If so would you rather lynch Moriarty or Vanderzant? Same question even if you don't think we should lynch an inactive.
@Ran



An extremely long way of saying "I'm not that confident in reading anyone here". Seems like he wants to look tryhard without talking about anything particularly important.

He also finishes off with expressing some weak suspicion that looks really fake.



I really don't like the entire "What are you doing guys I'm gonna come in and clear everything up here" approach.

The vote on Rajam was null at this point imo, but still an "easy" one from a scum perspective.



From this post I get the impression that he knows the alignment of both Zen and I.




"I don't like your play but I don't think it's scummy."
Pointing out stuff for the sake of it. Looks like fake contribution.
Gheb is exactly right about this. You're starting to worry me, Beat. It seems to me that you have just been hopping on wagons without much reason pretty much all game. It kind of seems like you've just been getting on and off wagons carelessly. I'd really like to see some developed thoughts from you on your reads on people this game. Here you're attacking Circus for answering a question about who he could read like at the start of the game. The only legit points here are the last two. It seems like you're just making what you can with the rest.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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Nabe you still think glg is scum or what?
Very much so. I think the case I made against him is adequate, and I think he needs to get gone toDay. Kid's scum.

There's nothing ugly about my unvote, and I'm not going to let you boss me around just because you feel like you're in a position to do so. I'd like you to tell me what I should apparently be doing, which everyone else must be doing but I must not be, that would prove that I'm scumhunting.
Your unvote is ugly because you didn't put your vote on anyone new. You're not actively following leads. If you were, your vote would be elsewhere and you'd be bringing up something new. All you did in that post after unvoting was ask other people where they were at.

Tangentially related, I seem to be a scapegoat for you, whenever you don't know where to put your vote. Have you noticed that? Is that intentional? And what happened to GLG definitely being the play toDay? I guess he must have convinced you he was town even though you were apparently sure he wasn't. Can you show me where?
GLG hasn't convinced me that he's town in the slightest. He is the play toDay. My votes have remained and will continue to remain on him and on the two people I think are scum with him, Beat and yourself.

Gheb is exactly right about this. You're starting to worry me, Beat. It seems to me that you have just been hopping on wagons without much reason pretty much all game. It kind of seems like you've just been getting on and off wagons carelessly. I'd really like to see some developed thoughts from you on your reads on people this game. Here you're attacking Circus for answering a question about who he could read like at the start of the game. The only legit points here are the last two. It seems like you're just making what you can with the rest.
Gheb, Zen seems to presume that you subscribe to this reasoning for why Beat's Circus case is no good. Is he correct in thinking that?
 

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Yeah his thought process matches mine. Though I don't agree that Beat's last two points were "legit".

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Votecount:

Circus - Radical Fiction, Nabe, Beatstick,
Beatstick - GLG,
Kuzinator - Zen,
Moriarty - Red Ryu,
Nabe - Gheb,
Not Voting: th3Kuzinator, Vanderzant, HepAlien, Circus, Moriarty,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 15th, at 3:00 p.m. EST.
 

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Nabe / Beat aren't trustworthy enough and they are the strongest supporters of the circus wagon atm.

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I'm sorry I dissected this post as much as I did, but I had specific things I wanted to address.

You aren't doing a good job then.

1.) We're pretty obv town. We haven't done much today because not much has changed from yesterday except for Gheb getting off my scum list, but we did more than enough yesterday. Subject to change if Swiss comes through for me today.
First, it's not your place to say that you're obvtown. You're obvtown if the town thinks you're obvtown.

Second, Gheb was on your scumlist yesterDay? You were defending him while other people were arguing with him at the end of the Day.

2.) Moriarty is pretty obv town. Played like a boss while Tom was still around. I stick to my town read and still want to be friends.
You're just buddying a strong player. Moriarty was certainly more active while Tom was playing, but he didn't have time to really help scumhunt much, and he didn't come off particularly obvtown to me. I think you know he's town and you just want him to like you because you don't want to get on Kevin's (or Tom's) bad side.

Confident in my ability to read Kevin if I'm somehow wrong.
That's not going to help if there's nothing to read.

Also confident he'll pick it up to activity levels I will accept from Kevin when he can. I know what it's like having half a hydra. It's uncool.
So do I. So does everyone in this game. We're basically all playing as "half a hydra." Whether your other half is busy or not, you should be able to contribute at least as much as everyone else.

3.) You really don't have a scum read on ANYONE who's active and would contribute actual discussion?
I would say you, but I wouldn't consider you someone who has contributed to actual discussion much. I could do without GLG, but again, he's very inactive. The reason I harp so much on this issue is because I think being coasty is one of the biggest scumtells a player can give. It's not a sure thing, because unfortunately townies do sometimes do it, but it's something scum like to do. Mostly because towns seem to like to let scum get away with it. Between all the players who have been coasting in this game so far, we could have all of the scum left in this game. Why is it so invalid to look there? Would you want to be in endgame with a bunch of people who have been coasting all game?

Your unvote is ugly because you didn't put your vote on anyone new. You're not actively following leads. If you were, your vote would be elsewhere and you'd be bringing up something new. All you did in that post after unvoting was ask other people where they were at.
Which is null at best. My vote could go several places right now, which is why I didn't immediately switch to someone new. Here, I'll make my mind up for a moment; I think you'll be happy about this. It could just as easily go on RadFic right now, but....

Vote: giraffelasergun

There. Now I'll wait for you to come back and tell me that I'm scummy for voting someone only after you said I should, and that I'm totally just bussing/distancing.

I'm glad I didn't need to explain why Beat's 1072 is a train wreck of a case. My town read on him has been waning the longer this Day has gone on.

GLG, Moriarty, Hep, Vand, get back in this game. I'd specifically like to get some general reads from Mori and Vand, since I really have no idea where either of them stand on anyone at this point. Would like Hep to stop tunneling Zen; lightly stalking one person all Day isn't helpful. Look at some other people, or commit to Zen with a stronger case. GLG, lay out why BeatStick is scum for me. Quotes would be helpful, but are not required.
 

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@Beat's question: I don't think Circus would jump on you because he seems to be a push over with people who are anti-town.
elaborate on this, please. who do you mean when you say "people who are anti-town"?

Would like Hep to stop tunneling Zen; lightly stalking one person all Day isn't helpful. Look at some other people, or commit to Zen with a stronger case.
i don't think i've been tunneling him. and i think i've been better about getting online than the other players you mentioned. but hopefully i'll be able to devote a little more time to the game now that it's the weekend.

Suprised no one got anything from reading over X1.
why, did you find something good? do tell.

Radical Fiction, what makes you say Gheb is independent?
 

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Gheb baby help me out, where am I looking right now?

I want to say that so far Town is doing pretty good, so I'd be willing to lynch a little loose today.

I want to say Beat goes but worries about people saying OMGUS just because he thinks I'm a scum pick.
 

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GLG, lay out why BeatStick is scum for me. Quotes would be helpful, but are not required.
Theres this.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12486838&postcount=1021

I also don't like how he's been generally wagon hopping the majority of the game. Like I haven't seen him bring up someone and just be like "bam, this guy is scum I don't know why you guys don't see this and the fact that you don't makes me think you're dumb."

Plus, he tried to play zen's hands earlier and just flow into zen's omg hes town thing.

also, nabe is still dumb.
 

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No not done reading, will answer questions later.

I was on page ten. I have a second tab up with pages 27 below.

What's the hurry?
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Theres this.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12486838&postcount=1021

I also don't like how he's been generally wagon hopping the majority of the game. Like I haven't seen him bring up someone and just be like "bam, this guy is scum I don't know why you guys don't see this and the fact that you don't makes me think you're dumb."

Plus, he tried to play zen's hands earlier and just flow into zen's omg hes town thing.

also, nabe is still dumb.


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No not done reading, will answer questions later.

I was on page ten. I have a second tab up with pages 27 below.

What's the hurry?
The hurri is that we need to get this biz going.

Anyone know when Vandy is coming back?

Nabe, status on Ryu?

glg, thoughts on Hep and Ryu?

Hep: update on your scum list?
 

#HBC | Nabe

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I'm fine with Ryu. He's been consistent. I liked his talking post D1 and agreed with a lot of his points. As Gheb has said, scum rarely fake a posting restriction. If he weren't able to justify his posting restriction with his flavour claim later, I'd be much more suspicious.
 

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Gheb baby help me out, where am I looking right now?

I want to say that so far Town is doing pretty good, so I'd be willing to lynch a little loose today.

I want to say Beat goes but worries about people saying OMGUS just because he thinks I'm a scum pick.
My early D2 vote was a joke, if that's what you're referring to. I don't consider you a scum pick anymore.
 

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Why isn't he a scumpick anymore, Beat? *still on pg 16*

Vandie just use Smash Blue.
 

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Gheb baby help me out, where am I looking right now?

I want to say that so far Town is doing pretty good, so I'd be willing to lynch a little loose today.

I want to say Beat goes but worries about people saying OMGUS just because he thinks I'm a scum pick.
Why not Nabe? You mentioned him as scum earlier and a wagon is overdue. Since when are you so hesitating?

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You know, reading over D1 again, I'm becoming more and more okay with lynching Beat. The more I read the interactions between X1 and Beat, or even just the way they sometimes mention each other off-hand, the more I can see it as potential weak distancing. X1 in particular kind of went out of his way to make it known that his opinion of Beat was shaky or leaning town but only lightly, while giving very clear stances on other players multiple times. Specifically referring to posts like this one and this one. He expressed a belief that Beat is town, but he left himself an out with Beat that he didn't with many other players. Beat did also vote X1 at the beginning of the game and then unvote X1 rather hastily about one real life day into the game.

Rajam made this point about BeatStick, which I actually think is totally legitimate. But I had dismissed it at the time because I felt solid on my town read on Beat, I wasn't sold on Rajam himself being town, and what Rajam is pointing out there isn't exactly a hard and fast rule. I could see a new player doing it as town. But looking at it from a different perspective, I actually think it is pretty telling.

Also, I think it's worth noting that X1 and BeatStick, I believe, were the only two people to bring up the idea of Red Ryu posting pictures with text in them to communicate. I'm thinking it was X1's idea as a way of posting something that looked like content, and Beat picked it up and used it too. Not a scum tell exactly, but while reading, it comes off as a strange link between the two to me. Here's X1 doing it, and here is Beat doing it.

Unvote

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@Circus: What was the point in asking GLG about Beatstick? I didn't see you follow up on that.

Here are your points:

  • potential weak distancing between X1 and Beatstick
  • X1 calling beat dumbtown
  • Beat voted X1, plan failed, unvoted a day later
  • Rajam's point (BORROWED)
  • X1 and Beatstick picked up on RR's posting style (NOT SCUMTELL)

First point you say there is weak distancing between the two. What did it seem like at first before you re-read the connection ?
Second point you say X1 calling Beat town, how does that make Beat scum?
Third point you say Beat voted X1 earlier, and unvoted a day later. Is this scummy? (The voting and the unvoting) Why or why not?
Fourth point is taken from Rajam, and you said you didn't take it into account until you changed your perspective . What made you change your perspective, Circus?
Last point you say isn't a scumtell, so why did you bring it up?
 

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@Circus: What was the point in asking GLG about Beatstick? I didn't see you follow up on that.
To see if he would actually give me a more compelling case than he did when Nabe asked him, which he only kind of did. I decided it wasn't really worth commenting back on, though it didn't go unnoticed.

First point you say there is weak distancing between the two. What did it seem like at first before you re-read the connection?
...Not necessarily distancing? I honestly have no idea what kind of answer you expect to a question like this. It didn't strike me as distancing before because I felt relatively strongly that Beat was town and I had the blinders on a little bit. Then I took them off and re-read.
Second point you say X1 calling Beat town, how does that make Beat scum?
The point isn't that X1 is calling Beat town. The point is that X1 is much clearer about most of his other reads, and allows his read on Beat to be more malleable. In the first link I posted, X1 listed several people that he claimed "looked cool" and then basically said "I guess Beat looks cool too but he's playing kind of weird," giving him the option of bussing Beat later if he had to without looking flip-floppy. In the second link I posted, X1 listed Zen and Beat as both town, but he qualified it by saying "well, at least Zen is." The point is that whenever he talked about Beat, he was shakier about his read. That is dissimilar from the way he talked about most other players in the game.

Third point you say Beat voted X1 earlier, and unvoted a day later. Is this scummy? (The voting and the unvoting) Why or why not?
It could hint that the vote on X1 was a distancing maneuver that Beat wasn't really comfortable with and wanted to get past in a hurry. I think that's obvious.
Fourth point is taken from Rajam, and you said you didn't take it into account until you changed your perspective. What made you change your perspective, Circus?
The fact that several other people this Day have expressed suspicion of Beat. Have you finished reading? It seems like you haven't read much of D2 yet.

Also, you act like I'm plagiarizing Rajam's point or that quoting him and saying "this is actually pretty good" is somehow wrong or bad. Why?

Last point you say isn't a scumtell, so why did you bring it up?
I said, right in my last post, that i felt it was worth noting even though it wasn't an inherent scumtell because it's an interesting, exclusive connection between X1 and Beat. Maybe it doesn't intrigue you much, but I thought it was worth throwing out there.

Your post came off unnecessarily haughty and antagonistic. Please finish reading the thread before you come back here all hopped up on Mountain Dew and Jolly Ranchers, eager to dig into things just for the sake of doing so.
 

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Your post came off unnecessarily haughty and antagonistic. Please finish reading the thread before you come back here all hopped up on Mountain Dew and Jolly Ranchers, eager to dig into things just for the sake of doing so.
Congratulations, you've officially summarized Ranmaru's playstyle. He asks a multitude of questions. Most of them have obvious answers if you think more than ten seconds or have no possible bearing whatsoever on anything that could be used to discern alignment. He then doesn't know what to do with answers to these questions and draws conclusions that don't make logical sense. He also likes to post CONSTANTLY with his inane questions and terrible conclusions, not allowing any back-and-forth in the game that does not involve him.

I'm taking this post to say that if he launches a volley of questions like the one he just aimed at Circus and points them at me, he will be met with laughter and scorn, not answers.





Zen, I'll ask you straight, as beating around the bush with indy hunting in Dissidia helped me a lot, do you think Gheb is indy? Also, is Circus still the play today in your opinion?
 
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