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Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

ranmaru

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I was trying to find the motive in Circus's vote on Beatstick. The reason why he moved, was to bandwagon. Also the vote on Beatstick and that crap case just seemed like fake scumhunting to me.

  • He had to take his "Blinders" off
  • "The fact that several other people this Day have expressed suspicion of Beat."
  • X1's read on Beat is shaky, but Circus doesn't take into account that Beat could have NOT known what X1 was doing
  • Circus doesn't take into account that Beat could have voted X1 as OMGUS (Don't know about the unvote though)
  • Not a scumtell, just an exclusive connection.

I only asked five questions. About his vote/case on Beatstick. Big deal.
 

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Ok read up. First impression is that I don't see Gheb scum in light of the X1 flip. Probably my only real switch from yesterday.

Circus' #668 is really bad reasoning for voting Gheb. Defending himself isn't being scummy.

GLG voting DH in #786 for being dumb and misinterpreting Ryker, which isn't scummy. Bad push, the rest of his suspects are really shallow (zen and kuz) and either bad or untrue.

Circus' #860 reeeeks of scum trying to lynch whoever they can.

Throughout the end of day he had been such a wagon jumper. Zen said "jump", Circus said "how high?"

Kevin's #893 is a really bad case of skimming because others were way more opportunistic then Nabe (i.e. Circus, X1, glg). It's a bad point, but probably just skimming as opposed to being actually scummy.

Hep is playing bad but it's leaning more bad town as opposed to scum.

OS is really bad at doing vote counts so not sure where that's at, but I'm down for Circus/glg mostly.
 

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I have 1 more thing I want to say but I need to hold off to firstly see where zen is going with ranmaru. It's also not concrete enough to claim, but urgh I think I have something. Hmm, this is tough.
 

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Just read Circus' case on Beat [his first legit post toDay imo] and upon rereading the interactions between X1 and Beat on p5 [40ppp] I'm already highly inclined to agree that Beat is mafia with X1. Moriarty, Radical and Zen on the other hand are so not mafia that I want to shit bricks. Strangely I can all kind of see them as indies [Zen the least actually, contradicting what I thought earlier] but that might just be me never being able to trust Tom / Ryker.

If there are 3 mafiosi + DH as "hidden" one then it's between Nabe / glg

Unvote Vote BeatStick

Currently @ 4 votes.

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Vand, I don't think we should take any risks at the moment [assuming you consider claiming] - we're going strong at the moment and we don't have to take chances. Mafia does.

Continuing reread.

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Still think Zen's 191 is a weird *** case ... maybe it's just me being dumb but I still think it's reaching.

@Zen's 211; do you still think Moriarty was soft-bussing X1? Has your view on that changed now?
@Beat's 428; def. scum there ... even though that looks like OMGUS now. His reasoning to let off X1 were crap and so were his reasons to vote me.
@Beat's 535 / 543; WHACK initial case on Rajam ... mine was a lot better :urg:
@Nabe's 605; shady post imo
@Gheb's 636; such a legit post
:urg: :urg: :urg: @Circus' 668; why are you doing this to me?
@712 / 713; Beat obvscum ... Nabe still shady

Let's lynch Beat toDay and then Nabe if / when Beat flips scum.

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Will try to respond to stuff when I get on my computer. Gonna watch football on TV very soon though, so you'll have to wait a few hours.

And I'm not going to call it soccer. It's football.
 

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Oh, and to save time, everyone who hasn't already done so should post how they upon re-reading all of a sudden notice how obvscummy all of my posts are, especially the "distancing" from X1.

Noticing a pattern.
 

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Already responded to this.

I also don't like how he's been generally wagon hopping the majority of the game. Like I haven't seen him bring up someone and just be like "bam, this guy is scum I don't know why you guys don't see this and the fact that you don't makes me think you're dumb."
I did it with X1 at first, but then, IDK, I lost my confidence. I don't know if I'm paying attention to the right things, so I just lose steam after a while.

Plus, he tried to play zen's hands earlier and just flow into zen's omg hes town thing.
What?

Why isn't he a scumpick anymore, Beat? *still on pg 16*
In retrospect, I only FoS'd him because he disagreed with me. I realized that pretty quickly. I don't think he's been scummy at all.

Rajam made this point about BeatStick, which I actually think is totally legitimate. But I had dismissed it at the time because I felt solid on my town read on Beat, I wasn't sold on Rajam himself being town, and what Rajam is pointing out there isn't exactly a hard and fast rule. I could see a new player doing it as town. But looking at it from a different perspective, I actually think it is pretty telling.
Obviously not. Given the circumstances, I understand if you want to hold that against me, but post-game (or whenever I die) it will be clear that it's not a solid noobscum tell.

Can't say much more than that about Rajams point.

Also, I think it's worth noting that X1 and BeatStick, I believe, were the only two people to bring up the idea of Red Ryu posting pictures with text in them to communicate. I'm thinking it was X1's idea as a way of posting something that looked like content, and Beat picked it up and used it too. Not a scum tell exactly, but while reading, it comes off as a strange link between the two to me. Here's X1 doing it, and here is Beat doing it.
"X and Y are scum. To add on to what I've already said, they also both mentioned that the weather is nice."

"How does that add on to your case? The weather is nice."

"Yes, but they agreed with each other."

If you think the idea was bad at the time, then that's one thing. Otherwise I don't understand how that helps your case at all. If Red Ruy had been allowed to post pictures with words, then it would've been very helpful.


Just read Circus' case on Beat [his first legit post toDay imo] and upon rereading the interactions between X1 and Beat on p5 [40ppp] I'm already highly inclined to agree that Beat is mafia with X1.
The only thing you've said regarding my alignment previously was

I'm not coupling you two. I think you're scum but I don't think beat is.
making it easy to jump on my wagon without much effort. If me voting Circus is considered scummy, then surely this must be as well?

IIRC you haven't taken me seriously at any point this game, and I don't think we've agreed once. Despite that, you haven't tried to put any pressure on me, or asked me any questions at all. I figured that it was because you had a solid (dumb)town read on me, but apparently I was wrong, since it changed so quickly. What read DID you have on me, and why did it make you feel comfortable without talking to/pressuring me?

Moriarty, Radical and Zen on the other hand are so not mafia that I want to shit bricks.
Agreed.

Strangely I can all kind of see them as indies [Zen the least actually, contradicting what I thought earlier] but that might just be me never being able to trust Tom / Ryker.
I think you're more likely to be indy.

If there are 3 mafiosi + DH as "hidden" one then it's between Nabe / glg
That's just two. You might have a super solid scum read on me that you will never deviate from all of a sudden, but I'm town. I want to see a third scum pick.
 

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It is only one. DH and X1 already flipped mafia roles. So it's you + one of Nabe / glg

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Yes, but I'm town. Even if you don't believe it at all, it must be a possible scenario for you. Who else would you look at?
 

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And while you're at it, Gheb; apart from being your individual scum picks, what are your reasons for thinking I'm scum with GLG/Nabe? Bussing? Whatever it is, some quotes supporting your reasons would be nice.
 

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He thinks I'm scum, but doesn't want to lynch me? That's funny.

Anyway, I want Gheb to answer first. Do you disagree?
 

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Zen, I'll ask you straight, as beating around the bush with indy hunting in Dissidia helped me a lot, do you think Gheb is indy? Also, is Circus still the play today in your opinion?
I think he could be. If there is one, then he or Vanderzant are the most likely. I'm not even sure if there is an indy though and I'd rather just lynch for mafia right now/who ever is scummy. Gheb is ok for now based on his interaction with X1. But yeah if it comes down to it, I do think he is indy. I don't think he is mafia though.

Reasons for why I think so is because for one he was very scummy d1 and most of it seemed intentional like he was trying to stay scummy enough to live through the night. Also when indy has been mentioned he has tended to skim over it. He did this yesterday when I explained why he and X1 could be SvI. He didn't refute it. And then when I brought it up again today after he tried to paint me as indy, he backed off and again avoided it. He also did not comment on you calling him which strikes me because Gheb has shown to be pretty defensive about everything that has been mentioned about him even if they are just small comments.

Clown is still scummy, but I think glg and possibly Ran would be a better play.
Hep is playing bad but it's leaning more bad town as opposed to scum.
How is she playing bad and what makes you think she is more town than scum? I agree with the rest of your post.
@Zen's 211; do you still think Moriarty was soft-bussing X1? Has your view on that changed now?
Not counting it out, but I have a town read on Mori. Though that could be changed if he doesn't start posting.
 

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elaborate on this, please. who do you mean when you say "people who are anti-town"?
Ranmaru, don't ignore this question.

Hep: update on your scum list?
based on possible relationships with X1, BeatStick and possibly Radical Fiction. if Beat is mafia, then i'd be suspicious of Ranmaru as well, based on what he has said so far today. also pretty eager to read what you have to say about him.

Circus is right about one thing, the people he mentioned need to step it up.

Vote: Beat
what was your reason for voting for BeatStick here? you didn't seem to mind him before, and you have since stated that you don't find him suspicious and you are staunchly opposed to his lynch.

Oh, and to save time, everyone who hasn't already done so should post how they upon re-reading all of a sudden notice how obvscummy all of my posts are, especially the "distancing" from X1.

Noticing a pattern.
no sense in waiting for other people. what pattern are you noticing? if it's apparent enough that you feel comfortable stating that you can see it, then that should be good enough reason to explain it. otherwise it's just vapor.

the forum keeps randomly logging me out and it's pretty annoying.
 

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Don't worry Hep, your question will be answered. I'm on page 20 now. I got some notes on the live player list.

Ahh wth. I was talking when Zen pressured Circus, Circus just let it go with "Well I guess blah blah blah".

I'll bring up the quote
 

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Zen, I guess that makes some sense, but this seems like an inefficient way of going about things, especially when you already thought BeatStick was town. Solidifying people as town doesn't seem as important as looking for scum on D1.
This right here. He tells Zen he disagrees with what he has done, but lets him go. He isn't bringing the pressure.

Now back to reading. :3
 

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GLG, you're willing to see a Beat lynch through to the end? What about a Circus lynch?
I want beat lynched today. I will not remove my vote from beat today unless mod confirmed information says hes town. He is the lynch today.

glg, thoughts on Hep and Ryu?
Ryu I'm having difficulty to read because of the whole picture thing, other then that the only thing that really sticks out to me is his wagoning(although it is a little hard for him to post reason since he can't use words) and the whole "moriarty is scum because he bullied thing" which isn't a scum tell.

Hep hasn't really done much and hasn't really offered many targets. Leaning more towards not very helpful then scum.

Yes, but I'm town. Even if you don't believe it at all, it must be a possible scenario for you.
Or you know, he could just go off of the likely scenario that you are scum. I like that one.
 

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"X and Y are scum. To add on to what I've already said, they also both mentioned that the weather is nice."

"How does that add on to your case? The weather is nice."

"Yes, but they agreed with each other."

If you think the idea was bad at the time, then that's one thing. Otherwise I don't understand how that helps your case at all. If Red Ruy had been allowed to post pictures with words, then it would've been very helpful.
Yes, I agree, it would have been helpful. That isn't the point. The idea of trying to bypass the posting restriction in that way is a pretty specific (and yes, helpful) idea, that only you and X1 expressed. I'm simply saying that there is a possibility that it shows you two having a sort of out-of-game report with each other. Especially since it's not like I ever even saw you quote X1's post and say "hey, that's a neat idea. Yeah, why don't you try that, Ryu?" or "yeah, I was thinking this, too. RR, you should try it." So it doesn't seem like you got the idea from X1 in the game and chose to support it; rather, it looks like you both arrived at it independently but didn't acknowledge each other when the other brought it up.

That all kind of tumbled out of my keyboard in an ugly way, but I'm hoping I'm making a clear point here.

Circus' #668 is really bad reasoning for voting Gheb. Defending himself isn't being scummy.
I had just come off a mafia game in which I had practically bingo'd scum due to a player (Swiss) becoming overly defensive to a minute amount of pressure, but I was unable to get him lynched. I considered Gheb's defense to be similar, so it propelled me to get at him for it. We all make mistakes.

Circus' #860 reeeeks of scum trying to lynch whoever they can.

Throughout the end of day he had been such a wagon jumper. Zen said "jump", Circus said "how high?"
Yes, I completely admit to doing that. I followed Zen's vote because we were closing in on the deadline and I wanted to make sure we didn't end up with a No Lynch. I did that blatantly and obviously and I don't regret it.

This right here. He tells Zen he disagrees with what he has done, but lets him go. He isn't bringing the pressure.
That's because I wasn't trying to pressure Zen in that conversation. I was just annoyed by his play and wanted to let him know it, which, in hindsight, was silly. I said this already. How can you be on page 20 without knowing this? In fact, if you're on page 20, why are you quoting things from the very beginning of the game?

Nabe, Gheb, if Beat were to flip scum, how likely would it be that GLG is also scum, in your opinion?
 

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I have two tabs up. Hep asked about it, so I pulled it up. I just had to look for it.
 

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Clown just wow. Please tell me you realize how silly of a point that is... about them both asking Ryu if he can post in words...


omg
 

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This right here. He tells Zen he disagrees with what he has done, but lets him go. He isn't bringing the pressure.

Now back to reading. :3
so basically when you said "people who are anti-town" you mostly just meant Zen? do you think Zen is anti-town or do you think Circus thought Zen was anti-town?

Yes, I agree, it would have been helpful. That isn't the point. The idea of trying to bypass the posting restriction in that way is a pretty specific (and yes, helpful) idea, that only you and X1 expressed. I'm simply saying that there is a possibility that it shows you two having a sort of out-of-game report with each other. Especially since it's not like I ever even saw you quote X1's post and say "hey, that's a neat idea. Yeah, why don't you try that, Ryu?" or "yeah, I was thinking this, too. RR, you should try it." So it doesn't seem like you got the idea from X1 in the game and chose to support it; rather, it looks like you both arrived at it independently but didn't acknowledge each other when the other brought it up.
weak point, but i do actually think i see what you're getting at here. if this were the only thing that Circus was offerring against BeatStick i'd probably be worried, but since it's not i think it's fine.
 

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Votecount:

Circus - Radical Fiction, Nabe, Beatstick,
Beatstick - GLG, Red Ryu, Circus, Gheb,
Kuzinator - Zen,
Not Voting: th3Kuzinator, Vanderzant, HepAlien, Moriarty,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 15th, at 3:00 p.m. EST.

Sorry for the late votecount. I bought Demons Souls and decided to beat it in one sitting. I started it Friday at 7 p.m. and just finished about an hour ago. I'm going to sleep now.
 

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What suspects were bad? What makes them seem genuine to you?
Her suspects were you/Gheb/x1 less so. You and gheb were bad reasoning. Post #607. I can see why someone who doesn't know your playstyle might interpret you as scummy as she described. I dunno, I just get an ok vibe from her posts that her thoughts are genuine.

Will think more about who I want to lynch in the morning.
 

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Zen, why is the case on Beat BS and which parts do you have most issues with? Also, are you down for a nabe wagon?

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Cool. Your main man is back.

Back in town.

Lock up your daughters.

And your sons.

@ Mod in OP DH's character doesn't have the 'S' in blue text, can we assume this is a subtle hint? Watch out for Piderman.

Right. So. Starting from page 13. Might be a little behind on the thread. Pity most people didn't want to help me get back into the game before. I'll be bearing grudges over that. Grudges that result in their lynches regardless.

So, down to business. Who else is up for lynching RR if he doesn't break his posting restriction? We already know the MOD punishment for this malarkie is a MOD vote thanks to Ryker getting styled on by OS.

Going back to page 11 now.

You didn't want these notes to make sense, did you? I'll have read it all - I promise.

The page starts with a vote count. The purple hue of the text suggests ulterior motives. The jester like avatar silently mocking town. Why not just tell us who scum are? Anti-town for sure.


Changed my mind. This will take too long. I'd better skim.

Notes come in my usual form.

#406 good.

#428 bad.

#433 odd. Remember it. Pathetic. Town.

#522 Why was X1 so scum again? Drawing conclusions from certa flip already. - Zen

#524 - How? - Gheb

#527 DH town. Shame you flipped scum. Guessing you still thought you were town. Amirite?

#536 - Clownscum.

Just pointing out what I consider to be a disparity between the way I've seen you play before and the way I see you playing now. Could just be the effect of time and changing playstyles, but I'm throwing it out there.
Scum. Classic style. You're adding disclaimers to what you say. As town Clown would've said "Gheb, you're doing this". Here you add in what can easily be misconstrued as content and a disclaimer so Gheb can't rebutt you for it "Hey, I just said I was putting it out there, why fry me?"

Bewm, shake, shake the room.

X1 said Gheb was his strongest scum read - yet how much did he push him? Could Gheb have gone for the S1 distance AGAIN? Respond to this, Gheb.

#558 - You have good picks. Makes me feel better that we agree without you telling me them/me remembering. Can I brofist my own hydra? Gheb scum means Rajamtown tough.

ON PAGE 15 - **** YEAH. C'MON SWISS.

Skipping Rajam's posts. Just realised he flipped town already anyway.

#598 - Possible scum. That's you Vanz. You're a town read still, but IMGEOY. Might call Indie on you later. Could be genuine Swisstown love - but you don't rate me as that hard a town iirc.

#599 - MLG

#601 - nvm

i assume you're asking me about my suspicion of Zen and Gheb. Zen's been fishy to me since the beginning of the game. i've found that sometimes mafia will get overly talkative and energetic in games that i've played irl in order to seem too valuable or transparent to be lynched, which i see in Zen. i think he's been better lately, but that might just be because some people took issue with it.

Gheb has been shouting things from the sidelines, particularly in the beginning of the game, in order to make it kind of seem like he's on the field. he doesn't really justify anything he says, and recently, he only seems interested in why other people think he's kind of suspicious instead of looking outward for the mafia. it seems defensive, which is never good.

recently, X1 joined my suspect list. i dismissed him at first because i didn't like Zen and his post about X1 wasn't very persuasive to me, but he's been laying too low recently, and reading over the early parts of the game doesn't cast a particularly positive light on him. he also voted for Gheb at the beginning of the game, and that might be an early attempt to disassociate himself with him if my feelings are right about Gheb. i think i would still want to lynch Gheb before X1, but i think i would be okay with X1 if it came down to him today.

Moriarty, why end the day early? how is that helpful?
Dislike. Scum. Jumping on the X1 wagon. Respond to this.

#610 - Cool, town.

#611 - Buddying.

:/

Usually, I would think it could be to hide a PR. But as has been mentioned before, almost everyone probably has a PR in this game. Besides, if I wanted to answer the question myself, I wouldn't have asked you.

@Hep: It's kind of weird on a surface level, but I sympathize with the idea of not liking another player's style and feeling like the game would just be easier without it. More than anything though, I think the fact that he was comfortable saying it makes it null. That's kind of WIFOM-y, but it feels right.
SCUM SCUM SCUM.

I agree with X1's legit indie read on Gheb.

#695 - Lol

#729 - Fishing for allies.

Gonna stop reading there.

Scum: Clown, HepAlien

Indie: Gheb

Town: Most other people.
 
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