Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

[Xivii]

glg so if I claim you will claim? There is no going back on this.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I raelly think Circus should claim first though, if you're going with that plan.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Since no one has any real opposition to me claiming and I see no town harm in either of us claiming, then I will claim if you claim.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm against Zen claiming actually. Unless he himself sees a clear benefit he shouldn't do it imo.

 

[Xivii]

glg do you think I'm scum or just dumb? Same for Nabe. Do you think he is scum or just dumb? glg if no one has any opposition to you claiming, what is the point of making me claim as well?

 

[Radical Fiction]

You're right, lol. No one has mentioned a Beat-GLG/Nabe connection, including Gheb.

Swiss, you say 611 is buddying but not my 612?
Could you clarify your slot's read on Zen for me?


The Gheb wagon toDay is opportunistic. It seems likely given X1's strike at Gheb that he's not scum with X1. If he's indy, that's cool, but not worth mentioning until we've found mafia, which he very likely is not. The wagon toDay implies to me that he's not mafia and that mafia is probably trying to get rid of a threatening player when one of their own is on the block.

Scum still between GLG/Circus/Beat.

Vote: Beat

First off, town.

Second off, we thought about that too, but we have most of the scum team pinned. It's X1, Circus, and one of a few players. Killing Gheb, however, should stop a factional NKill. We just came off a SK victory. Indy hunting is taboo for some dumb reason and that makes it easy.

Who's being opportunistic?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I love how Swiss goes from "Gheb isn't mafia" to "Gheb is indy" to "Gheb is SK and killing him will take out a factional kill".

Please let Ryker do the work again and get back to posting cuteass comics.

 

[Radical Fiction]

First off, that was me. Second, that's the most probable scenario. Third, I'm not going to dance around the subject.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The "most probable scenario"? You make me laugh.

And "not dancing around the subject" and "having an educated idea" are two entirely different things. If you think I'm independently aligned or a serial killer then "not dancing around the subject" will not make it suddenly correct.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Okay Gheb.

 

[giraffelasergun]

GLG, have I ever played a game where you're scum? I think this might be the first.

Teen Titans, although that was a hydra.

Anyway, if you actually think I'm scum then why did you remove your vote from me right after I posted and then proceeded to vote for my greatest scum suspect? If you honestly thought I was the lynch for today i don't see why you changed votes so easily.

@Zen: If you did not say "I killed X1" I probably would have you as scum right now.

@Everyone: Any oppositions to me claiming?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Teen Titans, although that was a hydra.

Anyway, if you actually think I'm scum then why did you remove your vote from me right after I posted and then proceeded to vote for my greatest scum suspect? If you honestly thought I was the lynch for today i don't see why you changed votes so easily.

Teen Titans didn't finish!! I'll catch you when that game starts again after 6 months lol.

I'm interested in seeing your commitment to the Beat lynch, and whether or not there's a follow-through.

 

[Xivii]

Ranmaru I'll give you Oreos if you finish reading.

 

[ranmaru]

Yay! Ok, I promise to finish tonite. xP

 

[vanderzant]

@Mod: Request replacement.

I'm sorry, rl is just too much for me atm. I should of done this sooner, so sorry for that.

 

[Xivii]

erg >_<

 

[Overswarm]

Vanderzant being replaced by JTB effective immediately.

 

[JTB]

Hey guys, I'll try to be caught up by tomorrow night.

 

[ranmaru]

Catch up Notes (Sorry if it's long, I tried a different replace approach this time, I hated it... everything was SO unorganized compared to this):

Zen: Null. Shot X1
Zen vandie buddying. Zen and beat vote X1 [Mafia] Tells Vannndie to post more thoughts in his 272#, is this scum distancing ? (since vandie did post thoughts)
Zen how do you feel about Beat following you, even though the last time you were ok with this, he was scum.
Role fishing . Asks DH and Beat if they have an ability out of no where.Then explains that he asked those questions to see if Beat was town or not.Since he didn’t know much about the question, it would mean he was town. But what if he did know and pretended not to know?Zen is making an excuse for asking that question.
I disagree with Zen having to explicitly point out town reads, but I agree that Circus has been making weak stances on inactives.

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Circus – Votes inactives, needs to play with people enough so he can pressure them later “meta”Circus accepts Zen’s reasoning for his rolefishing partially, giving him room to breathe.

“Zen, I guess that makes some sense, but this seems like an inefficient way of going about things, especially when you already thought BeatStick was town. Solidifying people as town doesn't seem as important as looking for scum on D1.”

Uses the word guess, so he doesn’t speak up that he is against it. He then explains how it isn’t important. Again, he lets him breathe.

Circus gives some reasoning, which can be useful in finding Zen as scum:

“That seems inefficient, like I said. At least on D1. If you're in endgame, I can understand the desire to clear people and see if you can find scum by process of elimination. But on D1, I don't get it. There's a very good chance that many of the people you psuedo-clear will die through various means in the Night. Then we're back at square one. Plus, there are a lot of townies to try and clear, and only a handful of scum. You're trying to find the needles in this haystack by locating the individual pieces of hay and plucking them out first.

What do you even mean when you say "you don't waste time looking where there's nothing to be found?" Isn't that exactly what you thought you were doing with BeatStick? You were already pretty sure he's town, but you were checking to see if he could be scum anyway. Scum is in this game, so I don't get the "nothing to be found" thing here. If you look at people who actually seem like they could be scummy, then we might actually find them.”

Circus states that he wants Vandies question answered as if it was his own

Circus states that Rajam’s 562 is useless, yet doesn’t state how.
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Gheb thinks zen is obv scum, haven’t seen much since. Only thoughts I had from him earlier on. Defending oneself isn't bad. We have to refute accusations against us, but we must scumhunt as well. (This to the people saying that Gheb defending himself is scummy, it's not unless he doesn't also focus on netting scum)
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Radical Fiction: I have nothing on RF. Only thing I do know is that he came in when he saw me post, and made a note that he wouldn't answer any of my questions. I know he didn't read my points on Circus, (well they were his but I was showing how he was wrong), and only posted when Circus said I was haughty and antagonistic. That had NOTHING to do with what RF came in to say. WTF did that have to do with anything?

[I forgot who, I think it was RF or Gheb]

Notes Nabes “Win-Win” statement (Hep had noted this first), when it was mentioned as a playstyle preference, and not preference in regards to alignment. Gheb purposely ignored that.
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Beatstick : get’s butthurt (OMGUS, seems natural) with being called dumb town by x1, decides to wait for X1 so he can build his case. Doesn’t explain Moriety scumpick, smells like OMGUS. (Omgus isn’t a tell, yet this doesn’t feel like he is picking Moriety for being scummy, but for being pressured by him)
Was only focused on X1, and not others.

Says that RF isn’t a scumpick, but might be if Mor turns up town. He is leaving his options open.

Beatstick, if you, Zen, and Moriety/KevinM were left in lylo, who would you follow?

“
Thinking about it, I think Rajams latest posts deserves a vote.



Unvote

Vote: Rajam”

Whoa, how? You never said anything about it before, but after Gheb states something about it, you jump on him.

GLG :
I agree that Beat seemed to be trying hard to show Zen he is town by acting town.
Drops ZenvBeat argument. Scum. Hides scumpicks for fear of them acting townie later.

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Vanderzant:
Says that he can point things out that are useless, but I disagree
Notices Gheb pressuring Zen and then dropping it.

Vandie, what do you think of Gheb now that Zen is possibly an indy?
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HepAlien:

Dismissed X1 at first because zen was attacking him, but then noticed X1 laying too low.
Has good vibes on RR after 6 minutes of the time of RR’s post. (Explain plz) #610
Hesitant on voting Nabe, defending Gheb
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Nabe:
Is deemed OK by MAFIAX1
Is skimming and asking Circus a question in which he has already given the answer to. Nabe pointed out something about Gheb, but then had to re-read when asked a question about him.

Nabe you notice Gheb to act diff when responding to X1 As opposed to others. Is this scummy in your eyes?

Red Ryu:
RR Suspicious of Vandie after Zen posed a question to Vandie’s motive of a particular question
RR is voting Moriarty for bullying, yet emotions shouldn’t be what hints in on alignment, so it’s null. RR should move else where.
How is bullying scummy?
Doesn’t want Zen vigged

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Moriarty: not much to read. I liked the Burden of Proof explanation from him, because I didn't know what that was and I am still a little iffy on that.
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X1 said that

“Because like me he knows when gheb is scum, i.e now but hasn't been saying that or pushing him.”

He also states he didn’t remember RF calling him scum. (Yet he did flip scum)

Was this true, Radfic? Yes, this does impact on matters of alignment.

Was GLG for lynching X1?

@Hep 846: Why do you feel Zen switched votes from DH to X1? (Even though he noticed X1 wasn’t pushing hard this time around)

@Zen: can I ask why you voted Rajam specifically?

@Gheb: Did you ever explain why you didn’t believe Rajam’s claim? If so, why not?

@Hepalien: You are correct. X1 leaves a lot of lack of connections as mafia, and coasts strategically. Who did he not talk about? If he called someone town, they are most likely town. Nulls are different.

@Beat: Why did you let go of Zen’s hand?

Gheb disgusting me with that terrible PR hint

I noticed this, and thought the same thing. But Gheb then explained that X1 "forgot" about that he meant that refferred to his town cames and not his scum games.

i'm sorry, that question was meant to be rhetorical. i was trying to make the point that the mafia DON'T talk to each other all the time, so even if you have teammates, that doesn't mean they're there to warn you about what you're doing all the time.

Please don't use rhetorical statements. As you can see, it can lead to confusion and bickering that is not needed. It really seemed like you were trying to act dumb there, and not in a satirical manner.

Some people (Zen) think Dark Horse should be the lynch instead. Most of the people actually voting for viable candidates seem to agree with that. He's looking like the easiest lynch right now, though that doesn't mean he's the best.

I have very few obvtowns, and I'm not going to announce them now for the mafia to pick off. Would be willing to lynch almost anyone to avoid a No Lynch, but I like Gheb the most right now, personally. Even if he's town, I feel like his flip should be the most informative.

The first paragraph seems like Circus was leaving the option open to fall back on DH if he couldn't lynch Gheb. Is he pushing for Gheb toDay?

No, you shouldn't try to lynch who is possibly town to you.

Zen you have just gave everyone the perfect excuse to drop DH and let him escape this Day. I've stated all the game I consider you town, and if that wasnt' clear, I agreed with your points on X1, and my case on DH was based on how you noticed him not pursuing his reads. You never explained why you voted me some pages ago though

This is true. Zen would you have sticked with Rajam if his claim wasn't up to par as it already was?

I will. I don't wanna be like Ranmaru in FE with scum carrying me over just to lynch me Day 3

Hey ;-; Yeah I didn't know I would have been the losing lynch. I just gave up there.

RIP Rajam. I just felt these two quotes were important to bring up, and X1's too. (For connections) This one was differen't.

Agreed that Circus should go toMorrow if DH flips town.

How do you feel about Circus toDay? It seemed he could have been recruited, but Gheb explains mafia would have thought he was town. Does this still leave Circus as an option to you? Why or why not?

to all the people who felt that Zen's original case on X1 was "reachy" (Moriarty, Radical Fiction, and plenty of others), how do you feel about Zen right now? does X1 being mafia clear him for you?

i'm going to read over X1's old posts brb..

Not really. In Cinemafia, J shot X1 to clear himself. He was mafia executioner.

If you have any more questions I will answer them. Done with my re-read up to pg 27.

He's claimed the shot on a mafia member and he's uncountered. He's either town or indy why would you bother with that?

But you are ok with Gheb since he might be Indy, right?

The phrase "heavily suspicious" was in regards to his play in Sleepover, Beat. It would have been hard for you to have agreed with that, lol.

What was that about?


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I'm cool with GLG, Nabe, and Gheb going. If Zen is possibly an Indy I'd be fine with him going too. Also I don't like Hepalien acting dumb earlier, about the scum communication. Didn't sound like satire to me. Beat seems townish to me because of the X1 v Beat. Everyone else is null.

Vote: GLG

 

[Radical Fiction]

X1 said that He also states he didn’t remember RF calling him scum. (Yet he did flip scum)

Was this true, Radfic? Yes, this does impact on matters of alignment.


.....


But you are ok with Gheb since he might be Indy, right?

First off, my ability to read someone doesn't affect my alignment. Secondly, we had a scum read on about a million people, so Gheb wasn't as high on our priority list as he started off with contributing to a cause we found agreeable (Zen case, which is long since outdated).

The reason I want to respond is so I can point out that X1 is another vote of confidence on our ability to pin Gheb.



There is no "might" to it Ran. Gheb is the indy. Zen didn't shoot, he was either gauging reactions or he was trying to eat a night kill (which he shouldn't be doing as, even if he's a ****ing miller, he's more valuable than most other people at this point). The fact that he seems to agree with our read on Gheb is indicative of such, regardless of what he said.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Just to put it out there, Bean **** is not scum and the wagon on him is full of scummies.

GLG/Nabe is possibly scum, but not as tempting a choice as Circus (he owns a neon sign that reads "Scum"), Hep, Kuz/Ran, Vand/JTB.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Circus, I know your scum buddy X1 thought Gheb was scum and I don't think he would've pushed for it without bringing it up and discussing with you. You know he's indy, are you going to lynch him so he can't NKill you or are you going to bank on him NKilling town for the rest of the game. Let's be honest, he knows you're scum and no protective role is going within a ten mile radius of you, so you're gone whenever Gheb feels like it. At least by lynching Gheb, you secure yourself another day and keep him from being around later to possibly off your other scum buddy (and your only hope).

Zen, cmon, let's push a claim out of Gheb before he has enough information to fake a good safeclaim. Hell, we could get both Gheb and Circus to claim and I'd be an extremely happy man.

JTB, you were scum in Dissidia, you saw the way Gheb came out strong at the start and then faded into the background day 2 when he was on your team. He came out strongly against Zen and now he's sitting back rather passively not doing much and being overly defensive. Vote him for me.

 

[JTB]

Gheb was V/LA during D2 of Dissidia

but I'll keep his current behavior in mind

 

[Radical Fiction]

GLG/Nabe, you've played with me on AiB. You know how good I am at nailing indys (LotR, Roanoke, Harry Potter), vote for Gheb. You know my case is legit.

Red Ruy, I've really got nothing special to convince you except maybe the Dissidia reference I used for JTB, but what I've already posted should be good enough to convince you to vote and help me pressure Gheb.

KevMo, believe in me. I won't let you down.

Ran, you've already stated you're fine with a Gheb lynch, so join the wagon so it can get somewhere. Getting it started is always the most annoying part.

Bean ****, good stuff with that vote. Gonna try my damnedest to make sure the bullcrap lynch on you doesn't go through.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Gheb was V/LA during D2 of Dissidia

but I'll keep his current behavior in mind

Go back, he started playing passively late D1 as well, IIRC, hiding behind that IC facade.

 

[ranmaru]

K.

Unvote
Vote: Gheb.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Good ****! Here we go baby, **** that "You're dumb" defense.

Damn it feels good to be able to post and not worry too much that I'm going to directly contradict a Swiss read.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Are you all stupid or what? Your "indy" read is complete BOGUS.

Ran, I said that Rajam's claim doesn't confirm his alignment ... [ignoring the fact that it's a completely inane question to ask].

 

[Radical Fiction]

Are you all stupid or what? Your "indy" read is complete BOGUS.

Ran, I said that Rajam's claim doesn't confirm his alignment ... [ignoring the fact that it's a completely inane question to ask].

None of your posts affect anything.

 

[ranmaru]

Are you all stupid or what? Your "indy" read is complete BOGUS.

Ran, I said that Rajam's claim doesn't confirm his alignment ... [ignoring the fact that it's a completely inane question to ask].

That was my catch up question tho. I saw you say "I don't believe your claim though"

but you never said WHY.

Meaning you were ok with his lynch regardless.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What? Please try to make your post more thorough ... there are so many logical leaps within your post that you expect me to follow ... *sigh*

I didn't believe his claim because it doesn't confirm his alignment. I think that's really easy to understand, even for you. A questionable claim like that opens a whole bottle of WIFOM and if he were around in lylo with a claim that could be aligned with *everybody* then I'd rather have him lynched early.

Yeah, I was OK with his lynch. No shit, I was one of the people who wanted him lynched the most. What is the point of these questions? When you ask something it either leads absolutely nowhere or just serve to confirm what everybody knows anyway.

 

[ranmaru]

This is what I mean:

"Tone down the wishy-wash. These paragraphs reek of conformism and leave a lot to be desired. Your claim doesn't convince me either but I'll get into that later."

I saw that, but I kinda skimmed the rest of your next post. I saw something relating to what you are saying now though.

Was "Later" referring to your #898? I just thought you meant later as in later pages because I didn't think it'd be in your next post.

 

[Beat!]

Beat I can't tell what alignment are you?????????

Some misplaced sarcasm there, mr tunnel.

Also, how is it scummy? Is it scummy because its a mislynch or is it scummy because I'm not backing down from a read I've had since the game started.

A combination of the two.

You also didn't push this "all-game-read" at all D1. You expressed concern with me at some point, and that was it. Then Nabe asks a few questions, and all of a sudden you were 100% convinced of my scumminess from the beginning.

You're right, lol. No one has mentioned a Beat-GLG/Nabe connection, including Gheb.

What about this:

If there are 3 mafiosi + DH as "hidden" one then it's between Nabe / glg

Also note that he's still refusing to answer me.

Bean ****, good stuff with that vote. Gonna try my damnedest to make sure the bullcrap lynch on you doesn't go through.

Cool =). We got this.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This is what I mean:

"Tone down the wishy-wash. These paragraphs reek of conformism and leave a lot to be desired. Your claim doesn't convince me either but I'll get into that later."

I saw that, but I kinda skimmed the rest of your next post. I saw something relating to what you are saying now though.

Was "Later" referring to your #898? I just thought you meant later as in later pages because I didn't think it'd be in your next post.

It's actually all in that one post. By "later" I meant "below".

Beat, I'm not "refusing" to answer anything. Either something was lost in translation so to speak or I skimmed through one of your bigger posts because they all suck and reading them makes me wanna jump off a bridge.

 

[KevinM]

Defintely looking like we should lynch Circus don't know why people let that die down so fast.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Gheb

Not sure why scum would NK me if it was only one shot and no more

Ran I liked that catch up post much more than your previous ones. Can you answer my questions now? And by that I mean 1086.

To answer your question, I voted Rajam because of:
1. His inactivity.
2. His connection to X1
3. My 590

 

[Xivii]

JTB when you are done catching up, what is it that Vanderzant had on Ranmaru? Since he has already claimed that he had some sort of results, there is no point to keeping this hidden.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

If Gheb is indy then he should stick around and kill mafia all day all night. He's already got a good target in Circus if that's the case.

Meanwhile, you should all feel bad and get back to laying votes on Beat.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

JTB when you are done catching up, what is it that Vanderzant had on Ranmaru? Since he has already claimed that he had some sort of results, there is no point to keeping this hidden.

When did that happen?

 

[Xivii]

If Gheb is indy then he should stick around and kill mafia all day all night. He's already got a good target in Circus if that's the case.

Yes I agree with this. But Beat is not the play.

When did that happen?

In our quicktopic.