Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

[Xivii]

Just kidding, right here:

I have 1 more thing I want to say but I need to hold off to firstly see where zen is going with ranmaru. It's also not concrete enough to claim, but urgh I think I have something. Hmm, this is tough.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Phew, my arrhythmia.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So can we hear Circus' claim already and lynch him then?

 

[Xivii]

Vote: HepAlien

Rad you said you think she is scum. I think this is the way to go.

 

[Beat!]

It's actually all in that one post. By "later" I meant "below".

Beat, I'm not "refusing" to answer anything. Either something was lost in translation so to speak or I skimmed through one of your bigger posts because they all suck and reading them makes me wanna jump off a bridge.

Ta-daa (this wasn't one of my big posts btw):

And while you're at it, Gheb; apart from being your individual scum picks, what are your reasons for thinking I'm scum with GLG/Nabe? Bussing? Whatever it is, some quotes supporting your reasons would be nice.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nah, that's just me playing bad. I got swayed too easily by Circus' case and drew the wrong concluisions + I did my reread with a bit too much focus on the X1 + you connection.

I think it's more likely that Circus is bussing you than Nabe bussing you though. One or the other should be lynched toDay regardless.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And if that is unclear from my previous post, I'm painting a hypothetical scenario - "if" somebody is bussing you, then I'd say it's Circus more than Nabe but that's just intuition.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Vote: HepAlien

Rad you said you think she is scum. I think this is the way to go.

MUCH rather lynch Gheb. Circus is scum for sure also and I'd rather off him.

 

[Radical Fiction]

If Gheb is indy then he should stick around and kill mafia all day all night. He's already got a good target in Circus if that's the case.

Meanwhile, you should all feel bad and get back to laying votes on Beat.

Beat wagon is obnoxiously stupid.

Stop beating around the bush with "If Gheb is indy." Give me a concrete stance on Gheb's alignment.

What does, "He's already got a good target in Circus," mean?

 

[Xivii]

I was going to wait and see what more Ranmaru said about Hep before going into this, but I suppose there is enough.

As I was saying earlier, I think X1 did make a couple of connections leading to his scummates. We should be looking more at the people that he didn't really interact with rather than those that he did or interactions that were just odd. X1 seemed to not mention much about HepAlien at all. What catches my eye particularly about this is that the one thing he did say to her seemed out of place. He hadn't interacted with her all game until his 640:

@HepAlien: If you were town and you found someone scummy, but you also hated their playstyle, would you not find their lynch a win-win? Explain how Nabe calling it such is scummy. Do you think a scum player is more likely to post that than a town player?

For one I had already pretty much said the same thing to Hep and she had already responded. We know X1 was not asking Hep because he truly cared, so there are two reasons that X1 could have felt the need to post this: 1. to look like he was posting content or 2. to establish an interaction between him and HepAlien. These are the two motives for any post made by scum.

It is not likely that his motive was option one. His post was already pretty decent sized and he had just made an evidential case on Gheb, so I don't think that he commented on Hep for the sake of just trying to provide content/falsely scumhunt. So I'm inclined toward option 2. X1 had not really questioned anyone in the game up to this point. His only focus was Gheb. So it was out there for him to question Hep here. It leads me to believe that Hep was special ie his buddy and he felt the need to softly form an interaction between them. If you take the time to look through X1's post (it doesn't take long) you will notice how out of place him questioning Hep here is. Furthermore, Hep never even responded to it. And X1 never again asked her about it. Another thing to note is Hep's shift in view on X1 in her 607. She states that her reason for not thinking X1 suspicious was because she didn't like me. At the time if her 607 she states that she was now suspicious of him because he had been laying low. There are two problems with this. 1) She still didn't like me and 2. There were quite a few others that were laying low as well. glg, DH, Mori, Vandy. Sure X1 was V/LA, but him and glg had not really had that much of a posting difference so her logic for adding X1 to her suspicion list is pretty shady here, especially with the fact that her view on me had not changed. To top this she goes on she still wants to lynch Gheb before X1 but would be ok with X1. Scum often say things like this, mention there buddy but put them at the end of their who-to-lynch list. And yet another thing about this is that her scum picks me, Gheb, and X1 are so incoherent. We three had all pretty much been calling eachother scum. Why would she think that as scum we would all just come out and bus eachother? She said that she wasn't suspicious of X1 at first because I was attacking X1, but here she is saying that she is suspicious of X1 because he was attacking Gheb. These are contradictory thought patters which furthers my belief that Hep was being fake with her reads here.

There is another thing that leads me to believe Hep to be X1's scummate. I started out the game asking X1 who he would rather lynch out of Rajam and Hep. Instead of wagoning with me as he has done in the past he instead chose a completely different target from the two that I proposed. Why choose Gheb? Why not hop on Hep or Rajam with me? I believe the 1 of them was his scumbuddy and that he felt pressured to avoid making a connection with one of them. This is why I felt Rajam to be X1's buddy earlier, but we now know that Rajam is town. X1 didn't want to choose Rajam because it would have led to questioning why he didn't choose Hep and if he chose Hep it would have led to the same sort of questioning later on. Why he chose one or the other. Because of this pressure is why I think X1 decided to find another target quickly (Gheb), one that didn't leave any connection between him and his scummate.



Some other things to note about X1 is the players that commented on the case I made on him early on, or more importantly, those who didn't.

I like the Vanderzant slot more looking back on this. As his scummate Vanderzant would have taken this opportunity to distance himself from X1. I know Vandy well. He isn't X1's scumbud.

glg and Circus completely avoided the topic. This just adds more scumpoints for them. Seriously they need to claim before the day ends. But yeah at this point I'm really thinking we should lynch Hep.

 

[giraffelasergun]

You also didn't push this "all-game-read" at all D1. You expressed concern with me at some point, and that was it. Then Nabe asks a few questions, and all of a sudden you were 100% convinced of my scumminess from the beginning.

I said on d1 i thought you were scum and that Zen might be scum but I realized that chasing it more on d1 wasn't going to do anything so i switched out of there.

Vote: HepAlien

Rad you said you think she is scum. I think this is the way to go.

I still don't get you. We have a probable indie, and there are like four major scum picks right now, and yet you pull a name out of the blue because ryker think she is scum

@Ran: I didn't show support in X1 wagon.

And it's claim time, since you guys want me to and no one has been like no glg don't claim bro it be dumb. I'm Colossus from X-men, and I'm a bodyguard. I targeted Zen last night becuase I thought he would be the most likely scum pick for a kill and at night i didn't think he was scum.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Nvm about that hepalien part, I've reread your last post.

 

[Circus]

I've had a somewhat demanding couple of days, so I'm really not in the mood to get down and dirty in mafia right now. But skimming the recent posts, I'm just going to say that GLG's claim is pretty good, it is hilarious that Zen thinks that Hep case is good but thinks the case on Beat is BS, and Gheb is town.

I'm willing to claim if I must, but it'll at least have to wait until after I take a long-deserved nap.

 

[Xivii]

Circus some of your reasons I liked. I'm just saying Beat prob isn't scum. Though I've been very wrong about him before.

glg what is your ability called? And as bodyguard, you choose someone and if they are nked, you die in their place, yes?

 

[giraffelasergun]

My ability is called bodyguard, and yes if I target someone by an nk i die instead.

 

[Xivii]

@Nabe yes

 

[Xivii]

Man where is everyone.

OS, thoughts on 1251? I know you're watching.

 

[Xivii]

Beat you have 3 choices:

1. Scumhunt
2. Mirror my votes
3. Die

2 is prefered. 1 would be great as well, You've done 0% to 0.019E-94% of scumhunting this game _-_... You realize this?

 

[ranmaru]

Ran, have you finished reading up on everything?
Would your opinion change if I had not shot X1? Explain to me why you felt I was scum before reading that I shot X1.

Question: Why Circus?
Question: Which question that Nabe asked Circus are you referring to? I've spotted tells of Gheb skimming in this game as well. Would you be willing to lynch Gheb for skimming as you are with Nabe?
Question: What do you think about Hep Alien?
Question: What do you think about Radfic?
Question: Would you be willing to lynch based off inactivity today? If so would you rather lynch Moriarty or Vanderzant? Same question even if you don't think we should lynch an inactive.

I felt you were a bit scummy because you seemed to be buddying Vandie early on. (Not the obv buddying, but the fake distancing I noticed in my notes).

Circus because he makes weak stances, wagon hops to look like he is scumhunting, which he isn't.

Hmm, I retract that statement. I got confused, but I'll show which quotes I meant:

No, but a cursory glance through the archives shows that OS seems be allergic to VT's as a mod. In a game this size, with little to no VT's, the odds of there being no non-mafia killing roles are pretty low.

Yes, you're correct. He's simply acting exactly how I would expect new town to act. I didn't specifically want to "defeat Zen's meta on Beat," I just wanted to tell Zen that I thought clogging the thread by actively digging into a player like Beat so deeply when he flat-out doesn't seem like he needs is a waste of time. I wasn't trying to make some big case about anything.

I have no idea why Gheb thinks Zen is scum, and I won't try to speak for him. Some things about Zen's play that I find bothersome are his reachy case on X1 (which a million people have already said, I know) and his psuedo helpful questions. It seems pretty fluffy. But I still think he's town because I don't see scum being as ballsy as he's being so early on in the game, plus I do think he's using some decent logic to determine some of his reads (for example, even though it is meta, I do think his point about Kuz was actually really good). I think he's just hyper or something.

Beat is acting how you would expect newtown to act? How would you expect newtown to act? Can you demonstrate Beat doing this through quotes?

Nabe you're asking a LOT of questions ... have the answers given you actually something to work with? Mind sharing?

I think Beat is town in a completely non-meta way. Gheb's null. I disagree with his read on Zen, but I don't think that him having that read is itself scummy.

Also, for the record, I think when Zen said "Clown" he was talking about me. It's an unfortunate nickname that I believe he took from Swiss.

No, but a cursory glance through the archives shows that OS seems be allergic to VT's as a mod. In a game this size, with little to no VT's, the odds of there being no non-mafia killing roles are pretty low.

Yes, you're correct. He's simply acting exactly how I would expect new town to act. I didn't specifically want to "defeat Zen's meta on Beat," I just wanted to tell Zen that I thought clogging the thread by actively digging into a player like Beat so deeply when he flat-out doesn't seem like he needs is a waste of time. I wasn't trying to make some big case about anything.

I have no idea why Gheb thinks Zen is scum, and I won't try to speak for him. Some things about Zen's play that I find bothersome are his reachy case on X1 (which a million people have already said, I know) and his psuedo helpful questions. It seems pretty fluffy. But I still think he's town because I don't see scum being as ballsy as he's being so early on in the game, plus I do think he's using some decent logic to determine some of his reads (for example, even though it is meta, I do think his point about Kuz was actually really good). I think he's just hyper or something.

Beat is acting how you would expect newtown to act? How would you expect newtown to act? Can you demonstrate Beat doing this through quotes?

Nabe you're asking a LOT of questions ... have the answers given you actually something to work with? Mind sharing?

I think Beat is town in a completely non-meta way. Gheb's null. I disagree with his read on Zen, but I don't think that him having that read is itself scummy.

Also, for the record, I think when Zen said "Clown" he was talking about me. It's an unfortunate nickname that I believe he took from Swiss.

Vote: Circus
What do you think of Beat? Does it differ from Zen's take? And what do you think of Gheb?

I got confused because I thought Circus might have said that Beat was town BEFORE being asked, yet he was just bickering with you for trying to confirm Beat as town.

Although I do remember Nabe having to re-read when asked about Gheb, and yet Gheb does point out that Nabe was asking too many connections. Also, now it depends on Gheb's flip to see why Nabe might have had to re-read Gheb.

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I feel HepAlien has played dumb a bit. (The part where she asked about scum communication, that did not at all sound like satire [Who stated that Beatstick was "Begging for Zen to think he is townie"? Because I think they should have said the same about Hepalien regarding that question]) Also feel a FeSCUMbeatstick like vibe coming from her. She is asking me about "the anti-town" people as if it was something suspicious to her. I do not think that was a big deal. I then explained to her, and she kept going.

This right here. He tells Zen he disagrees with what he has done, but lets him go. He isn't bringing the pressure.

Now back to reading. :3

so basically when you said "people who are anti-town" you mostly just meant Zen? do you think Zen is anti-town or do you think Circus thought Zen was anti-town?

I don't see why she didn't understand my response, of course I meant Zen. I think it's very clear Zen was an example. I had already given my thoughts on Zen. I'm very ok with Hep dieng.

She also had Good vibes on RR's post within 6 minutes. #610

She did not explain that. Plus she could already tell my alignment within my first few posts, and I have a hard time believing that.

Radfic seems to throw you as indy out of the window as an option. He has a good vibe on Gheb being indy. (Gheb has ignored the pressure on him, and asked about Circus claiming instead) Even so, I'm actually for getting scum, indy's can come later. I'm sure he can understand. Radfic is null to me. I'd mention that he could be scum trying to get the indy out of the way, since Scum can also get killed by indies. Yet I do not know if his actions are scummy until Gheb flips. This is why he is null to me.

Unvote
Vote; Hepalien

Hmmm, I'd rather lynch active scummies first. Then, if there is still a problem, we'd lynch the scummier of the two inactives, which is Vandy/Jtb to me.

I don't see the problem with having two scummy players claim. It's hella difficult to make up role biz as scum in an OS game. Claiming is beneficial much. We almost have the game in wraps once Ran catches up. Not sure how vandy was able to catch up in just a few hours while it's taking Ran days and Kev decades.

I also didn't know why he re-read so fast. Only thing is that I had more content then him to read, but still. Scum don't need to read as much as town do, since they already have the advantage of info. (His partners could have told him what was up) We should re-read what HE commented on. He did change one read, that may be important.

 

[Xivii]

n_n

Ranmaru I like.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Mod: Request Vote count

 

[ranmaru]

n_n

Ranmaru I like.

The answers or the vote?

Also gimmee oreos.

RR: I can't see the pic. : [

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote

I don't think it's strange that Vandy took little time to reread. He didn't have to catch up starting from zero so it's obvious he wouldn't take as much time as a replacement does. I also gained some insight upon rereading only a little bit and I think it helped me.
Though Zen's most recent post @Hep is really good.

The main problem I have at the moment is that we have a bit of an information overflow with 2 scum flips and vast amount of connections. I find it hard to channel all that info into something I can directly draw conclusions from because there are so many possibilities.
I think - as scummy as this may sound - lynching an inactive playerslot might be a beneficial course of actions. We have:

- Lots of information available
- Only a couple of truly active players

Right now only 4~5 players have really weighed in on their thought process regarding connections. I think the replacements and inactives really hurt our progress here because all work is done by a few players... I think if we lynch somebody like KevMo [who has left too big a hole for a replacement to make up for imo] and give the replacements time to catch up + post their opinions we will go into D3 strong; still with 2 dead scumbags [or maybe more] but less people to muck it up and we can go to work again @full force without any "breaks".

I'd like to know how the players who replaced in feel about this plan. Do you agree that it's probably a good thing for us and'll turn out helpful in the long run?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, this post is not to be taken as an invitation to bash inactive players. Obviously, we should still focus on finding scum - I'm just offering a solution for the end of toDay that people seem to have slightly forgotten about over the course of this game.

 

[ranmaru]

Hmmmm. I'd rather lynch HepAlien. I don't find Kev to be scummy, or at least his slot. Inactives are a problem, and we should be wary of lurkers. I'd rather lynch scummy players first. What has your read on Kev been early on, and has it changed?

If we lynch and give the replacements the night to re-read, they might be killed at the night, like Poor Phire in FE. (Unless you mean wait for them to catch up and THEN lynch after seeing their opinions) More discussion, the better.

Gheb, what do you think of HepAlien?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kev has been useless all game to me. There was almost nothing to get an idea on his alignment off. Only interaction I remember was Ruy calling him out for "bullying" which I still think is BS. Also, by giving replacement time to catch up I was not referring to night phase. I don't want to lynch anybody *right now*. I just wanted to remind you that Kev is probably not a bad lynch at all.

I'm a bit insecure about Hep now and in general. I find myself swayed way too often toDay and I'd rather think this through before I commit to a wagon again. Though I admit the points against Hep do have merit. But I kinda said that about everybody.
[this is the "information overflow part" - there are so many possible connections that potentially make sense. I'd rather weed out an inactive now to "sharpen our sight" on what's going to be important toMorrow].

 

[ranmaru]

Really? I'd think a scummy, active person would "sharpen our sight" a bit better than an inactive lynch. I mean, more connections, means more info upon flip. An inactive person will have less connections. We can hope he gets vigged in that case, and if not, we'll have to do alot of re-reading upon Hep's flip.

I think HepAlien isn't a bad direction.

Who else do you believe has "alot of connections" besides Hep? Again, the more connections, the better right?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I mean, more connections, means more info upon flip.

The main problem I have at the moment is that we have a bit of an information overflow with 2 scum flips and vast amount of connections. I find it hard to channel all that info into something I can directly draw conclusions from because there are so many possibilities.

Are you terrible at reading?

 

[ranmaru]

Didn't you say DH was technically a town flip? (Meaning Mafia would think he was town)

Even so, I'd still rather lynch Hep ToDay. (Not because of her connections to X1, but because she comes across Scummy to me, as I have pointed out. Zen noticed her connections with X1, so that's all good) Maybe this will help:

You are focusing on the CONNECTIONS. Shouldn't we also look at the INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS too?

 

[Radical Fiction]

I like how people suddenly pulled HepScum reads out of their *** after I called her scum.

Want Gheb to respond to what I said in my catchup post.

Waiting on Clown's claim.

 

[ranmaru]

Oh, sorry then. I was busy with catching up.

RF, what do you think of Gheb trying to push towards a Kev lynch?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm not necessarily pushing a Kev lynch. I'm just saying rather than scrambling things over being torn between Circus / Hep / Beat / whatever case comes up next, lynching an inactive is a legitimate choice and Kevin is the one that stands out the most in that regard.

Want Gheb to respond to what I said in my catchup post.

What part exactly?

 

[Radical Fiction]

We're not scramabling over Beat. Beat liiiiiiives.

@ Ran - Pushing a Kev lynch is utterly dumb - and safe. Too safe. Safe like indy play.

@ Gheb - The bits where I say "Blah blah, why? - Gheb" or "@ Gheb"....

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What? That was an utterly shitty post and there's like nothing to respond to to begin with. Also, you're currently sucking balls at this game and I could care less about what impression you have of me atm.

inb4"indytell"

 

[ranmaru]

Nah, not feeling a Beat lynch.

Hep/Circus is kool. Still don't understand Circus going on his Town read.

Gheb, why are you going into how he plays this game? That doesn't help us with scumhunting.

 

[Overswarm]

Votecount:

Beatstick - GLG, Red Ryu, Circus, Nabe,
Gheb- Radical Fiction, Beatstick,
HepAlien - Zen, ranmaru,
Radical Fiction - MOD,
Not Voting: JTB, HepAlien, Moriarty, Gheb,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 15th, at 3:00 p.m. EST.

 

[Xivii]

I like how people suddenly pulled HepScum reads out of their *** after I called her scum.

It's not out my ***. I've thought this for a while now. We should really wait on Gheb man.

@Gheb: I'd rather lynch someone scummy and save Kev for cop/nk biz. If we have too much info then lynching someone scummy will focus that info because we would be reducing an option/forming more precise connections. We are ahead and there is no need to get defensive. We must continue on the offensive and crush our enemies into oblivion.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, why are you going into how he plays this game? That doesn't help us with scumhunting.

Who is "he"?

 

[ranmaru]

Your post #1275.