Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

[Circus]

Right. Since a bunch of people thought I was scummy for no reason before, I'm still probably scum so you can just dismiss whatever I say. Sound logic. You still haven't said you're town.

Anyone else feel like lynching RadFic? I'm so down for that right now.

Unvote:

Vote: Radical Fiction

 

[~ Gheb ~]

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Hep / JTB and whoever hasn't commented on recent development should talk up asap. Lost faith in Kev coming back.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Right. Since a bunch of people thought I was scummy for no reason before, I'm still probably scum so you can just dismiss whatever I say. Sound logic. You still haven't said you're town.

Anyone else feel like lynching RadFic? I'm so down for that right now.

Unvote:

Vote: Radical Fiction

Still not going to.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Circus, don't let a gut feeling like that sway you. RF *is* a jerk like that if he feels like it. Give a concrete reason why you think he's scum. Him being a mix of an arrogant douchebag and playing like **** all game doesn't make him scum.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Hypothetical situation:

What if I said lynching Circus wouldn't cost us an investigative and I still think he's scum. Could we lynch him?

 

[Radical Fiction]

Oh, and regardless of anything else, JTB and KevMo should say that they are town and nothing else. Nothing to lose there.

 

[ranmaru]

Right. Since a bunch of people thought I was scummy for no reason before, I'm still probably scum so you can just dismiss whatever I say. Sound logic. You still haven't said you're town.

Anyone else feel like lynching RadFic? I'm so down for that right now.

Unvote:

Vote: Radical Fiction

Uh, why?

And no. Not at all. Hep/you is better.

 

[Circus]

Circus, don't let a gut feeling like that sway you. RF *is* a jerk like that if he feels like it. Give a concrete reason why you think he's scum. Him being a mix of an arrogant douchebag and playing like **** all game doesn't make him scum.

He's been rubbing me the wrong way all game, though I know that's not scummy on it's own. But he was one of the few people that X1 offhandedly mentioned might be scummy on D1 (I'll have to try and find the post in a minute), which I've been considering a possible distancing move for a while now, plus he flip-flopped on you in the weirdest way. He was staunchly against your lynch on D1, but then toDay he started saying that he had thought you were scummy yesterDay. I assume that's because he started trying to make the case that you could be indy toDay, and that boosted his stance or something.

X1/Beat/RadFic scumteam, perhaps with some Ranmaru on the side?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

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Right. Since a bunch of people thought I was scummy for no reason before, I'm still probably scum so you can just dismiss whatever I say. Sound logic. You still haven't said you're town.

Anyone else feel like lynching RadFic? I'm so down for that right now.

Unvote:

Vote: Radical Fiction

 

[Circus]

Eh. In re-reading they seem more strongly pitted against each other than I remember; not sure how I feel about it. I still don't like how Rad's just refusing to state he's town but still wants other people to do it.

 

[HepAlien]

sorry for my absence everyone. i was a little busier this weekend than i expected to be, and a lot lazier. no excuses.

i feel even better about Circus right now, and what he has said also solidifies my view of Gheb.

i don't know what Ranmaru means when he says "satire" in regards to what i've said. i asked a rhetorical question once, which i guess isn't always clear on the internet.

Zen, i felt that at least one between you, Gheb and X1 were mafia, if not all of you, specifically because of the fact that you were all putting pressure on each other. more specifically because each of you started going after one of the other pretty much immediately. it looked like it could have been early distancing. though i don't think either you or Gheb are mafia at this point.

i don't have much trouble believing giraffe's ability. but i don't know if it's smart for us to be dictating who he guards.

the way Radical Fiction acts really bugs me. and i do think everyone should just post they're town, including him, just so it's an option.

did i miss anything anyone wanted specifically from me?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Eh. In re-reading they seem more strongly pitted against each other than I remember; not sure how I feel about it. I still don't like how Rad's just refusing to state he's town but still wants other people to do it.

I don't need you to prove I'm innocent. Therefore I don't want to give you the option to preform a bad night action. Plus I don't entirely trust your claim (Ryker) and don't want you anywhere near me in a night phase.

 

[Xivii]

@Hep: Your supposed line of thoughts is contradictive.

You're saying here in the second line of your 1331 that Circus' results confirm your thoughts on Gheb, meaning you've been feeling he is town.

Howevever, one of the two reasons you put X1 as a scum read D1 was because you felt that his attack on Gheb was distancing and that they were scumbuddies. You just mentioned now again that you felt they were scumbuddies. Yet upon X1's scumflip your view some how changed to Gheb being town in D2 and that Circus confirms that read. It's a complete reversal from the line of thought you were putting forth yesterday.

@Circus, Rad is obvtown. You're the only one he bugs. If you use your investigation on him, you're being wasteful and selfish.

 

[HepAlien]

@Hep: Your supposed line of thoughts is contradictive.

You're saying here in the second line of your 1331 that Circus' results confirm your thoughts on Gheb, meaning you've been feeling he is town.

Howevever, one of the two reasons you put X1 as a scum read D1 was because you felt that his attack on Gheb was distancing and that they were scumbuddies. You just mentioned now again that you felt they were scumbuddies. Yet upon X1's scumflip your view some how changed to Gheb being town in D2 and that Circus confirms that read. It's a complete reversal from the line of thought you were putting forth yesterday.

@Circus, Rad is obvtown. You're the only one he bugs. If you use your investigation on him, you're being wasteful and selfish.

it is not "contradictive." i've simply changed my mind. my reasoning for being suspicious of X1 on day 1 was wrong. that he was indeed mafia was a coincidence.

 

[HepAlien]

also, i'm town. just in case.

 

[Xivii]

0o 0

Hep how many games have you played irl? About how many of those have you been town and how many as scum?

 

[HepAlien]

i don't know. if i tried to give you a number, i would almost have to pluck it out of thin air. a handful. i've only been mafia once though. we lost, i was really bad.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ran I hate you so muuuuuch

 

[Xivii]

This is getting unecessarily complecated.

I'm starting to lean a bit with Ryker on Circus. I almost feel fine with lynching him :/ His play still seems scummy to me.

Circus were you playing the way you have been to stay off of scums radar or have you just been playing as you would any other way?

Hep the reason why I asked you that is because it seems like you have more experience in this game with some of the things you say. Like not thinking it a good idea for glg's actions to be directed. Why do you think this btw?

 

[ranmaru]

Ran I hate you so muuuuuch

But I... <3 you...

I did respond to you though. I'll give you the post number, maybe you didn't see your name.

 

[ranmaru]

#1318 for you, Nabe.

 

[Xivii]

Really want to hear from JTB. Vandy made it seem like he had some usaful insight.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh yeah, that was because you said you were asked about Gheb, and had to re-read to give a read on him. That meant that you didn't really care about reading into him at the time.

Why are you so dumb
I gave an opinion on Gheb's play. Gheb said "no, not true" so I reread and realized that he was more or less correct.

But that's not even important. The issue here is you answering what you can possibly discern about me from Gheb's flip. That was the original question. And since we've once again established that you think Gheb's flip has something to do with me, you can get back to answering the question.

Hmmm. It's still null. Whether he was bs'ing or wrong, still null.

Yes. It sure is nice how we agree on that and how it doesn't merit discussing in the slightest.

Overt? Explain please. It's simple. Gheb would be intentionally confusing town if he did flip town, and acted that way. I think my word choices is based on my playstyle, and not based on alignment. Explain how my wording is scummy.

If GhebTown thinks his playstyle isn't scummy, then no, it's not intentional. If GhebTown didn't set out at the start of the game and say "I'm going to play scummy this game", it's not intentional. But again, that's just a triviality.

I didn't say that your wording is scummy, I was saying that I didn't like the overt implications that RFscum possibilities don't exist on a GhebTown flip.

I say that because his intent was to get Gheb lynched as indy, but we'd all be shocked to see Gheb come up as mafia. I said Mafia/indy because RF could either have bussed his partner using the idea of Gheb being indy, or indy accusing another of being an indy.

Or he could be town and just wrong. Regardless, you used the phrase "he gets points" which strongly implies that you think he'd be town. Which is why I'm asking you the question, because that is the wording you used.

I don't think town wants to get indies out of the way. We hunt for scum, not indies.

You're absolutely right, losing indies is not town's immediate concern. I've said the same.

But Gheb flipping indy only means that RF was right about Gheb being indy. RF could be right about GhebIndy as any faction. It is null. We are talking about events logically implying other events.

What you're actually saying is that RF targeting indies is scummy. That is what you're saying to me right now. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with Gheb. If Gheb flips town, the fact remains that RF was targeting indies. If Gheb flips mafia, the fact remains that RF was targeting indies. What you are saying and what you are meaning are two different things, and Gheb's flip has absolutely nothing to do with RF.

Nod your head and we'll move on.

 

[Radical Fiction]

This is getting unecessarily complecated.

I'm starting to lean a bit with Ryker on Circus. I almost feel fine with lynching him :/ His play still seems scummy to me.

Circus were you playing the way you have been to stay off of scums radar or have you just been playing as you would any other way?

Hep the reason why I asked you that is because it seems like you have more experience in this game with some of the things you say. Like not thinking it a good idea for glg's actions to be directed. Why do you think this btw?

Hypothetical situation was mainly directed at you.

 

[KevinM]

Willing to lynch Ran since we're technically ahead right now.

 

[Xivii]

Unv ote

 

[Xivii]

Hypothetical situation:

What if I said lynching Circus wouldn't cost us an investigative and I still think he's scum. Could we lynch him?

Hypothetically hell yes.

 

[Radical Fiction]

How about realistically?

 

[Radical Fiction]

As in, you lynch him, I can promise that much.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

One thing that bugs me a bit are ambiguous claims. Rajam's claim yesterDay could've been of any faction and I think the same can be said about Circus' claim to some extent. While it doesn't make sense for an indy to have that power it could very well be a mafia role.

This leads me to another idea: Circus' may not be his claimed role at all. In case he's mafia he'd know I'm town anyway and as long as people keep on going with the "I'm town" spiel we'll only give him an easy way to make his claimed role effective - in the worst case we'll give a mafioso the free pass.

@Everybody
Don't say "I'm town" in any of your posts from now on. You only make it hard for Circus to confirm himself as town and give him a cop-out in case he's scum.

Circus, you will not confirm Hep's 1335. Confirm something that you couldn't possibly confirm with the mere knowledge advantage that the mafia has by default [I have nothing concrete yet but I'll make sure to find something]. Consider this an attempt to ultimately clear yourself so it's in your best interest to follow my ideas - my clear status depends on you at the moment so be aware that I'm genuinely questioning your claim from a town PoV. You know I'm town, whether you're what you claimed or you scum.

More in my next post.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Hep, you have failed to mention any suspect now that the focus is bound to shift on you more. All your suspects are being more and more cleared from various directions. In addition you have - instead of actively giving input - used Circus' claim as a potential way to wiggle out of a lynch. I consider this highly scummy ... you basically don't help us with anything but at the same time are like "hi I'm town let Circus prove it".

I don't think we should let this happen. Either we lynch Hep toDay or an inactive playerslot like JTB or the KevinTroll. Regardless of our lynch:

Circus, do not use your ability on Hep's 1335!!!

This'll only give him a cop-out to actually confirm his claim and leaves a scummy player around.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Hmmm, I still consider lynching Nabe a realistic option as well.

 

[Beat!]

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Sorry for inactivity yesterday. I was sick.


Circus, can you detect stuff that the posters themselves don't know for sure? For example, if you check a post where someone says "Player X is scum", does it still confirm if it's true or not, even if the poster didn't really know?

i feel even better about Circus right now

Because of the claim? Why? Did his play prior to the claim make you think he had an investigative role? Was there any role claim that would've made you feel worse about him, if he had claimed it?

it is not "contradictive." i've simply changed my mind. my reasoning for being suspicious of X1 on day 1 was wrong. that he was indeed mafia was a coincidence.

Why didn't you mention that you had changed your mind until you were asked about it?

Vote: HepAlien

 

[Overswarm]

Votecount:

Beatstick - GLG, Red Ryu,
HepAlien - ranmaru, Nabe, Radical Fiction, Beatstick,
Radical Fiction - MOD, Circus,
Circus -
Not Voting: JTB, HepAlien, Moriarty, Gheb, Zen,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, April 15th, at 3:00 p.m. EST.

 

[Radical Fiction]

How about we lynch Circus and have someone else investigate Hep? Circus's claim is an educated guess at a 50/50 answer. If you really do honestly question his claim, how would you suggest he can be cleared?

Hep lynch is another good lynch and the one I want to follow the Circus lynch, but I don't want Circus to get doc/BG/etc protection tonight with an over glorified cop claim. You know how easy those are to fake?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

If you really do honestly question his claim, how would you suggest he can be cleared?

By have him answer something he couldn't know without using his power.

 

[Radical Fiction]

His power is either "Yes" or "No." That's a 50/50 that he can take an educated guess at further bettering his odds.

 

[Xivii]

Well we should just not have him protected during the night. If he lives, he can give us his result. If he dies, we don't have to worry about him being scum.

 

[Radical Fiction]

*sigh *

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Beat