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I didn't say anything about "needs to." Just that they are clearly using third parties as a focus for DLC. Take it up with Nintendo if you think it's unneeded.
They're buying the Fighters Pass for some reason, and I don't think it's just Hero.
I don't think Smash DLC needs third parties to sell, but Nintendo sure does seem to think so.
I don't think it shows anything at this point, because for those 3 third party dlc characters in smash 4, we got a ****ton of new 1st party franchises in the base game. For Ultimate, we didn't get very much first party comparatively.
Now that you mention it, if we end up getting one new first party franchise and six new third party franchises in this game I'm gonna be pissed.
The fact that we have only new first party franchise repped is also something that bothers me. I'm completely fine with third party characters making it into Smash, and I could even accept more third party franchises getting repped over first party franchises, as long as there's still an adequate amount of new first parties represented. But only 1 new franchise in Ultimate? Really? It's pretty annoying because if Smash wasn't forced (by Sakurai, Nintendo, or Pokemon Company I don't know) to have to give Pokemon a new character on a silver platter every game, maybe we could have gotten Isaac instead of Incineroar. Also, if Sakurai didn't suddenly gain a fascination for a Pirahna PLant of all things, maybe we could have had a retro NES rep for a bonus character instead of the plant. Maybe Mach Rider, maybe Balloon fighter, whatever.
Yeah, those two are really baffling decisions. Especially going with Piranha Plant over any other Mario character or, say, someone like Balloon Fighter who wouldn't need a stage.
yeah, they definitely needed to re orgainze things. How I see it, things should have gone down:
was to make him the very first newcomer reveal, yes even before .
I thought Bayonetta was incredibly hype, maybe not AS much as Cloud but I was still happy with her being the end.
the point is the peak is never at the end, it's always been at the beginning/ towards the middle, that was the case for Brawl, 4, 4 dlc, and now Ultimate
I mean, IF there's some other DLC love afterwards, whether it be another pass or more individual DLC like Smash 4, based on distaste for that monetary model.
Yeah like, business-wise, of course you'd want to get the biggest reveals out first, creating interest and hype for the product over the span of several months before the game came out, rather than a month before release that's way shorter notice.
I really don't think it's an if we get more DLC it's a matter of when. Really the only question is if it'll be another pass since Sakurai didn't seem to like that model or individual DLC like you said. More DLC I really have no doubt about.
Idk you just have the argument of "they all may want a break after working on Smash for a while" and stuff, so I'd at least remain cautiously optimistic about that prospect in case it doesn't happen. I'd personally like it too, and Ultimate has made a lot of money so far, maybe even on the Fighter's Pass sales for all we know.
That wasn't my argument? I don't remember ever detailing the reasons I believed in more DLC for Smash on here. Still I see no reason to be cautiously optimistic I see it happening. Could be wrong but I do think there's enough pointing to more DLC being likely that I see it as happening.
Is that because of the monetary and popularity success of Ultimate and DLC, might I ask?
Partially but also because by Sakurai's own admission he's not the one who dictates DLC happening. That's how we got the pass. And also the code in the game is already set up for more then just the 5 we have. Combine all that with Ultimate's success and I don't see Nintendo higher-ups going "yeah ok we can stop here we made enough".
I take umbrage with that. The fact that the character in question hasn't had a leading role in a game for eighteen years, the series itself hasn't had a title in nine, and hasn't had a great one in seventeen, yet clocks in second behind a character who appears damn near every year in multiple million-unit selling titles as apart of the biggest gaming series full stop is not a testament to Nintendo, who like to act like Golden Sun barely ever existed, it's not a testament to Smash Bros., that straight up ditched the character last time, it's a testament to the fact that the fans, since pre-Brawl, have refused to cease pushing.
I suppose Sakurai not making the decision helps (as much as the man may need a break...). Hopefully then the attitude of "oh we can just wait until the next game to do more" isn't entirely in swing here if the DLC truly sells well.
I never really was claiming Nintendo was at fault here but rather the point is we don't have to just accept Waluigi is the character that will be the AT promotion or really keep being second place in any capacity but seeing as fans of our series seem to just stop pushing and accept their fate and then we have to keep spending time like this squabbling among ourselves to try and reclaim some of our strength is silly. We were a big name during the ballot, AT promotions are only going to happen because the fans want it enough to make it worth the devs while, so there is no reason we should a. stop requesting or b. just think some other character is more important. We don't have to accept the silver medal but somehow we always seem to find ourselves there.
It's not just easy it's because it's the same. Fan demand is literally the thing that got them in. Other circumstances may have prevented them from joining or what have you but they overcame those exact problems with fan demand. That's our strength as well so there's no reason to lose heart when the director of the game comes out and says "Oh yeah X kept being requested so we added them". If anything that tells we should push HARDER.
That's exactly my point though. While we haven't 100% disappeared from everywhere like Ashley we aren't nearly as active or as prominent in the fanbase as Waluigi still is. Maybe that's due to his meme status but it doesn't matter the fact is the time to support a character isn't when a game is announced. By that time it's already too late. What we do now affects the future a lot more especially since there's no ballot now for all the disheartened fans to sink their hopes into. Continually showing support now helps show we aren't just here for ATs and costumes but we are a request who is here to stay and should be listened to.
No, the secret is right now it does matter and the problem is people thinks that it doesn't. Now is the time to cement ourselves as big and not going anywhere. Not just to the community but to Nintendo. We need to keep showing to fan polls we need to keep being a large force we need to keep requesting despite any such "ATs can't be DLC fan crap" because that's how you get a character from can only be a boss to being on the roster, that's how you get a forgotten relic on the roster, that's how you get a competitor's formerly Nintendo character that's been dead forever on the roster, that's how you get fan requests in the game. Right now it is the necessary time to show up and we're not showing up. When a new game is announced it's too late. When more DLC is announced it's too late. Now is when we should be trying our hardest to let Sakurai know we are the next dream character to get in.
This actively goes into what my quote said. So what if we have every disadvantage in the world? We have the one advantage on our side that can level that out in a time where Sakurai seems to have a greater emphasis on making fan requests come true. Letting percieved inconveniences get in the way of that is the exact problem right now.
I'm aware and my point is nothing is resolved and acting like it is in our current situation is actively hurting us. It took like 2+ months for the Geno thread to surpass our thread just because we were so much bigger earlier but since then we have stagnated and now is the worst time for that. We are still big but we aren't active. We aren't prominent. And that needs to change.
I think it's moreso the Smash Bros. developers that don't see Issac as a good choice simply because of their demographic.
Yeah, you should really only refuse to accept Waluigi isn't the most likely upgrade if you're so fickle that accepting another character stands a better chance impedes you still supporting the character you like. If acknowledging that you aren't or won't be number one truly precludes you from trying, I guess don't acknowledge it. That's kind of ****ed up, Isaac would've never got to this point were that the case among all the supporters, and inclusion has never been based on belief (demand is still what counts), but I guess whatever works for you.
Why would they reveal a DLC character first?Not gonna lie, I think the best way to revealing
It would’ve been a more hilarious outcome throwing everyone’s expectations completely away just for Sakurai to have a good laugh joking and tell us that the actual characters we’re looking forward to are coming right after.
Getting the shock pick over with so there’d be less salt.
That's why you're the leader!
I think it'd be best to think that after the pass finishes, and not before. They'll probably sneak in a first party somewhere so it doesn't get too expensive. Although since people now think that Smash celebrates gaming as whole, it's a moot point.
Just don't get mad if it's someone like Pink Gold Peach instead. While Aces' roster has been getting better these days, I wouldn't be shocked if a disappointing pick appears last, and not even in a Smash way.
You have to click the button on the quick-post creators that looks like ...(with a down arrow), and then select the Media option.
I think that's true as well. More on the opposite end, so far as in he doesn't hold much cache with a large portion of the current Nintendo demographic (which would be his best shot), but he also seemingly fails to qualify for retro status given how Sakurai's cutoff doesn't extend past the eighties, really.
For sure. Like I said, if support was predicated solely on the belief that the addition was first in line, we'd never be where we are now. People wouldn't have bothered. None of the characters that still have support were considered anything close to the top candidates when it began. Waluigi support was treated as an actual joke for years. But if you like the character, none of that should stop you from making your voice heard.
Absolutely, a real role in a Mario or Wario game would help Waluigi tremendously. But even Wario doesn't seem to get good roles anymore. :/
Hey, at least Starfy managed to return as an AT despite no games in the interim. It's unfortunately more than can be said for Saki and the Advance Wars one. :/
Pink Gold Peach won't get in before Metal Mario
I'm 90% sure that they know we want more Golden Sun, and I even made a retweet to shugo takahashi well over half a year ago with Isaac in tennis garb art(retweeted from the original artist ofc)
I was gonna but someone beat me, I guess I will be asking for Lloyd next, hmm~