Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[TappyBat]

I think it is about Nintendo, just this once, wanting to be the first one to release hype inducing Smash Brothers news to audiences first.

Well they bungled that already waiting so damn late to do so

 

[THE 6r]

Update: This is a link to a job listing site for MysticDistance saying that he has translated Gematsu and was part of the translation staff for Persona 5. Altus, the producers of Persona, have worked extensively with Nintendo in the past few years, notably Tokyo Mirage Session FE for the Wii U (released in 2016). Persona 5 was released worldwide in 2017. There are certainly potential connections from that link alone.

I've also found that he is part of a translation group called TRADUKO Soft (website). It's a small group, 3 members, and he appears to be its primary voice. They haven't posted anything since July 17, 2018 when they talked about a translation of Makoda.

Edit: Stupid typo. Thanks to KMDP for pointing it out.

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

No.

It shall be I who takes their place at the summit!

We'll make one of those Edgy new Anime about E-sports, where we're all as a collective the main characters.

 

[Takasmash]

I wonder if Isaac Trailer will have play the music from Brawl most likely?

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Well they bungled that already waiting so damn late to do so

Probably wanted to have multiple characters show up at once instead of everyone expecting only two going by Sakurai's words. People do seek immediate answers.
Edit: And in the sense that people expected only two newcomers based on their own perception of what Sakurai stated.

 

[Chiroz]

Chiroz yup I watched your videos and I agree with you. But what more can be said about it ? That is a point against the leak I keep it in a corner of my mind and probably the reason why I keep a reasonable skeptical approach. Still not enough to kill the hype !

My problem is mostly that people don't want to really discuss anything. They've already made up their minds and whatever counterargument there is just simply non-existent.

I've discussed the background with some people who don't believe in the leak and we actually came up with some real reasons why the background could be changed that are not "It's been changed before" or "It could have been changed to make characters stand out even though all the changes make 0 difference in the banner with the characters". And that was just 2-3 people discussing in a span of about 10-15 minutes. My counterpoints have been here for 3 days and no one has actually given any valid reason because no one really cares to discuss the problems on the leak because doing so is acknowledging that it actually is not as perfect as everyone seems to think.

So my point is that saying: "No one can prove this leak fake" is not accurate. I think a more accurate "No one will ever discuss anything about this leak, so we won't know if it's real or fake until we get a character reveal".

Sorry if I sound rude, I try not to be, but I try to be as blunt as possible.

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

No.

It shall be I who takes their place at the summit!

Settle it in Smash!!!!

 

[jweb23]

Yeah GameXplain is definitely handling this in a terrible way. I don’t follow them on other social media outside of YouTube so I have no clue what their reasons are but for the heck of it I went through their catalog of videos and...

They covered most of the major real and fake leaks during Smash 4 so why are they suddenly quiet? Their actions don’t make any sense right now.

 

[Saer2k]

I wonder if Isaac Trailer will have play the music from Brawl most likely?

It'll definitely be a new remix, most likely Isaac battle theme.
Unless they decided to go with the Main theme, which can also work too.

Edit: I can't spell, lol

 

[KMDP]

Persona 6 was released worldwide in 2017.

Um...

*cough*

Just... pointing out your typo.

 

[Deleted member]

At this point I'm almost sure Isaac is in with all the crazy "evidence" we've obtained last week (it's already Monday here).

Do you guys think we will reach 600 supporters and 30K replies when he's announced?

I think we'll pass it. In the past 5 days, our discussion thread has exploded and people are jumping on the bandwagon.

 

[Nazyrus]

Jesus… we are so close to 700 already…

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

Jesus… we are so close to 700 already…

CAN WE HIT 1000 BEFORE REVEAL?!

 

[THE 6r]

CAN WE HIT 1000 BEFORE REVEAL?!

Most likely, No

 

[THE TemporaryFool]

CAN WE HIT 1000 BEFORE REVEAL?!

Better start spamming this thread then lol

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

Chiroz I think people on here are more inclined to find clues about what makes their favorite characters likely more than anything else. It's only natural you can't blame them for that.

Have you seen this long post a user made a few pages ago (can't remember the name sadly) ? He made an interesting new point about this matter and BillyBo10K made a video out of it.

 

[iam8bit]

Not sure what to make of this new leaker guy on Twitter, but considering that and PapaGeno's recent video where he talks about an insider confirming the banner, is this actually the first time we get these kinds of rumors for Isaac, specifically?

I think up until the Grinch leak, he had been absent from such rumors, right?

Just something I was thinking about. Before all this crazyness our hopes basically hung on the Rathalos tweet, and now we have a bunch of new reasons to remain hopeful. All in all good, in my eyes.

 

[Chiroz]

Chiroz I think people on here are more inclined to find clues about what makes their favorite characters likely more than anything else. It's only natural you can't blame them for that.

Have you seen this long post a user made a few pages ago (can't remember the name sadly) ? He made an interesting new point about this matter and BillyBo10K made a video out of it.

I'll have to look into it. I hadn't been on this thread in like 2 days. I was just reading developments on the general thread to see what was going on with the leak.

 

[THE 6r]

I'll have to look into it. I hadn't been on this thread in like 2 days. I was just reading developments on the general thread to see what was going on with the leak.

BTW, anymore luck on finding info? I managed to get to his LinkedIn page but the website kicked me before I could copy the address.

 

[TheSpaceKing12]

Honestly, if the leak is fake the leaker had to have planned a million steps ahead. He shouldn't be working to fool smash fans. He should be working in government cover ups.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I think it is about Nintendo, just this once, wanting to be the first one to release hype inducing Smash Brothers news to audiences first.

If the leak is real, then Nintendo has no one but themselves to blame for waiting until the 11th hour to reveal the majority of the roster. Even if you account for the overwhelming majority of possible leaks, the longer you wait, the more you risk with regards to them.

I get wanting to create hype on your own terms. It’s just the Grinch leak would be the absolute most hilarious failure of such an idea. And this might be harsh, but the way Sakurai responded with disappointment to Subspace stuff being online has always rubbed me the wrong way and made me a little less sympathetic towards those particular inclinations. The newcomer reveals aren’t just about the hype of the moment, they’re about the characters being in the game and the reveals themselves are still finely crafted works. I think too much attention gets paid to curating the hype for the moment, when that in all earnest is fairly inconsequential in comparison to the character’s overall playability.

I mean I've been absent because there is nothing for me to add to the discussion. Everytime I'd try giving objective arguments you guys would attack me, and worse of all, I didn't feel like anyone was actually listening anyways (aside from a few).


Dude, anyone who believes the leak is fake gets ****faced. They get negative comments and a bad like to dislike ratio. People start spreading bad word of mouth about them. There is a logical reason why you WOULDN'T want to cover this leak. It isn't about "insider info", it's about your overall standing with the community. Little did they know though that even keeping silent wasn't a good idea, because no matter what you do somehow you're always the bad guy.

Even before they went silent various youtubers had already talked about how they "would stop talking about the leak" because everyone kept hammering on them. I myself stopped coming to this thread until this new information surfaced from another leak that's not this one.

Sorry you’ve felt attacked by people here. With the leak of this caliber going on, everyone is a little more skiddish and prone to quick minded decisions. I tend to side with you on Team Fake in all honesty based upon what I’ve seen not being enough to prove the leak real (all leaks are fake until proven real or at least as close as possible in my mind). If an individual doesn’t want to chip in because of the overall situation, that’s fine.

GameXplain is a much bigger presence and an overall news and speculation channel. This is the sort of thing their channel is designed on and for, looking deep into the information that comes their way. Doesn’t matter if it’s popular or not (I’m sure box theory coverage got them plenty of hate too), but it’s pretty much their job to cover something this big in the community. If it’s fake, they shouldn’t care about being wronged or temporarily flamed, at worst they’ll be a temporary scapegoat until Nintendo proves them right. And an organization like them dedicated to details putting all the points towards this leak being fake is something I think we could use right now just to say, hey, this isn’t as full proof a guarantee as it isn’t becoming with each passing day.

They’re supposed to be one of the primier voices of reason and speculation for the Nintendo community. Not covering this leak in the absolutely massive state it already exists just seems in poor taste. And if they’re capitulating to possible backlash that easily, that also speaks poorly of them.

While it might seem idiotic to them to cover a leak they think is absolutely fake, it’s just not the best decision for them overall.

 

[Isaac for Smash Pls]

Not sure what to make of this new leaker guy on Twitter, but considering that and PapaGeno's recent video where he talks about an insider confirming the banner, is this actually the first time we get these kinds of rumors for Isaac, specifically?

I think up until the Grinch leak, he had been absent from such rumors, right?

Just something I was thinking about. Before all this crazyness our hopes basically hung on the Rathalos tweet, and now we have a bunch of new reasons to remain hopeful. All in all good, in my eyes.

Yeah before the Grinch and Wendy's teamed up for this juicy Christmas info-burger, the speculation scene was basically on its last legs as people regurgitated the box theory and Verge stuff, neither of which really mentioned Isaac. So all we had to go on was the old Rathalos tweet and ballot performance. Now we have the Grinch banner, the mysterious sprout item, this potential photoshopped Little Mac, PapaGeno, this translator dude, and more all within a week and all pointing to Isaac's likelihood being very high. It's the quickest 180 I've seen on a character. I don't go on GameFAQs but I'd like to see how they've been reacting to all these Isaac news.

 

[TappyBat]

Honestly, if the leak is fake the leaker had to have planned a million steps agead. He shouldn't be working to fool smash fans. He should be working in government cover ups.

For real

 

[jweb23]

I mean I've been absent because there is nothing for me to add to the discussion. Everytime I'd try giving objective arguments you guys would attack me, and worse of all, I didn't feel like anyone was actually listening anyways (aside from a few).

I don't believe in #TeamFake or #TeamReal. I like to analyze data as objectively as possible and while I myself believe the leak to be fake, I won't ever claim it to be fake objectively.

I myself have never ignored any good argument for the leak. If you think I have then point it out to me and I will take my team to read through it carefully, I try to be as objective as I can at all times.








Dude, anyone who believes the leak is fake gets ****faced. They get negative comments and a bad like to dislike ratio. People start spreading bad word of mouth about them. There is a logical reason why you WOULDN'T want to cover this leak. It isn't about "insider info", it's about your overall standing with the community. Little did they know though that even keeping silent wasn't a good idea, because no matter what you do somehow you're always the bad guy.

Even before they went silent various youtubers had already talked about how they "would stop talking about the leak" because everyone kept hammering on them. I myself stopped coming to this thread until this new information surfaced from another leak that's not this one.

The issue is that they didn’t keep silent. They made a rushed video simply claiming it was blurry and that Banjo looked like the render ArtsyOmni made, which made them look worse because Omin had already come out about an hour or two earlier saying it wasn’t his render.

I’m completely against harassment, but I have to be honest...the way they handled the leak kind of invited it because of how terribly they covered it when compared to how they handled leaks prior to this.

Let me be clear, they don’t deserve any harassment!

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

Honestly, if the leak is fake the leaker had to have planned a million steps agead. He shouldn't be working to fool smash fans. He should be working in government cover ups.

In fact his only misstep as of now would have been not realizing there existed an empty background he could use and build his own. And yet that can't be proven to be the case.

 

[Chiroz]

GameXplain is a much bigger presence and an overall news and speculation channel. This is the sort of thing their channel is designed on and for, looking deep into the information that comes their way. Doesn’t matter if it’s popular or not (I’m sure box theory coverage got them plenty of hate too), but it’s pretty much their job to cover something this big in the community. If it’s fake, they shouldn’t care about being wronged or temporarily flamed, at worst they’ll be a temporary scapegoat until Nintendo proves them right. And an organization like them dedicated to details putting all the points towards this leak being fake is something I think we could use right now just to say, hey, this isn’t as full proof a guarantee as it isn’t becoming with each passing day.

They’re supposed to be one of the primier voices of reason and speculation for the Nintendo community. Not covering this leak in the absolutely massive state it already exists just seems in poor taste. And if they’re capitulating to possible backlash that easily, that also speaks poorly of them.

While it might seem idiotic to them to cover a leak they think is absolutely fake, it’s just not the best decision for them overall.

I will subjectively disagree. I think that in the face of backlash it is sometimes better to let things die down and not tarnish yourself. I imagine they didn't expect people to make a conspiracy out of it and thought talk about the leak would die quicker. This is all my own speculation and I can't say I know why they stopped making videos, but it doesn't seem like an illogical decision to make in my opinion.




MysticDistance is now indirectly claiming he either has directly seen or knows someone who has directly seen the banner and claims the one on the leak is not it. I will look more into him as I can to see if there is any reason why we (at least I) should believe him.

 

[pholtos]

The way they've handled this really makes me think they were contacted by someone to not give it much discussion at all.

 

[THE 6r]

Yeah before the Grinch and Wendy's teamed up for this juicy Christmas info-burger, the speculation scene was basically on its last legs as people regurgitated the box theory and Verge stuff, neither of which really mentioned Isaac. So all we had to go on was the old Rathalos tweet and ballot performance. Now we have the Grinch banner, the mysterious sprout item, this potential photoshopped Little Mac, PapaGeno, this translator dude, and more all within a week and all pointing to Isaac's likelihood being very high. It's the quickest 180 I've seen on a character. I don't go on GameFAQs but I'd like to see how they've been reacting to all these Isaac news.

So far I haven't seen much backlash from my brief still on the site I just took.

 

[Chiroz]

The issue is that they didn’t keep silent. They made a rushed video simply claiming it was blurry and that Banjo looked like the render ArtsyOmni made, which made them look worse because Omin had already come out about an hour or two earlier saying it wasn’t his render.

I’m completely against harassment, but I have to be honest...the way they handled the leak kind of invited it because of how terribly they covered it when compared to how they handled leaks prior to this.

Let me be clear, they don’t deserve any harassment!

This was the video that made them get harassed and made everyone say it was a really bad video and start giving them horrible word of mouth and even the video itself has bad comments and like/dislike ratio. Like you are basically agreeing with me. I haven't watched it myself to be honest, but the fact they did make one video sort of debunks most of the conspiracies while strengthening my argument, no? (Unless you assume they were contacted after that video went through, but then when they were on that video they still believed it was fake. So even though they had no official information and thought it was fake they were still contacted to keep quiet about it? Why?)

 

[Oracle_Summon]

If the leak is real, then Nintendo has no one but themselves to blame for waiting until the 11th hour to reveal the majority of the roster. Even if you account for the overwhelming majority of possible leaks, the longer you wait, the more you risk with regards to them.

I get wanting to create hype on your own terms. It’s just the Grinch leak would be the absolute most hilarious failure of such an idea. And this might be harsh, but the way Sakurai responded with disappointment to Subspace stuff being online has always rubbed me the wrong way and made me a little less sympathetic towards those particular inclinations. The newcomer reveals aren’t just about the hype of the moment, they’re about the characters being in the game and the reveals themselves are still finely crafted works. I think too much attention gets paid to curating the hype for the moment, when that in all earnest is fairly inconsequential in comparison to the character’s overall playability.

Sakurai did not make all that much sense about the Subspace Emissary, considering that cutscenes were leaking ever since online videos were conceived. All good points.

 

[jweb23]

This was the video that made them get harassed and made everyone say it was a really bad video and start giving them horrible word of mouth and even the video itself has bad comments and like/dislike ratio. Like you are basically agreeing with me. I haven't watched it myself to be honest, but the fact they did make one video sort of debunks most of the conspiracies while strengthening my argument, no? (Unless you assume they were contacted after that video went through, but then when they were on that video they still believed it was fake. So even though they had no official information and thought it was fake they were still contacted to keep quiet about it? Why?)

Go watch that video!!!

I don’t know if you follow them like I do but the fans had every right to express their disappointment of it. Not harass them but express their disappointment! Even I couldn’t understand why they put such minimal effort into it when they’ve covered other leaks for over 20 minutes that ended up being fake.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I will subjectively disagree. I think that in the face of backlash it is sometimes better to let things die down and not tarnish yourself. I imagine they didn't expect people to make a conspiracy out of it and thought talk about the leak would die quicker. This is all my own speculation and I can't say I know why they stopped making videos, but it doesn't seem like an illogical decision to make in my opinion.




MysticDistance is now indirectly claiming he either has directly seen or knows someone who has directly seen the banner and claims the one on the leak is not it. I will look more into him as I can to see if there is any reason why we (at least I) should believe him.

I don’t disagree that the decision they made is logical. I just don’t think it matters, if something this big is in the community, I think it’s pretty much their place to cover it. Especially when they covered most of the substantial leaks for Smash 4 and so far have covered a lot with this one. They’ve set their own precedent for covering leaks of notable significance, and they should hold to that generally speaking.

And when you have a community that you can have a serious voice in possibly looking toward you for answers, silence and brushing things off is a horrible way to use that power.

Just because people want something to be true and it might enrage them to learn it’s false isn’t compelling evidence as a journalist to not cover a story. In fact, that’s when you’re most inclined to cover something is to find the truth in the chaos and report your findings. I think doing the opposite with easy capitulation devalues your own future stances. I mean not to get overly into politics, but there’s enough of just choosing to not addres things and the spread of misninformation that objectively makes situations overall worse. This may be on a much, much smaller level and inconsequential level, but I think the same concepts are relevant.

Again, their coverage could give voice to those who believe the leak is fake, or at the very least compile the evidence of the situation together to help avoid the misuse of information and the proliferation of false info...

 

[Nossnitro102]

Let us see just how much further beyond it can go shall we? Is it fake or real? Find out next time on this week's episode of Smash Speculation!
I think with the clashing insiders and suspicious behavior from certain entities provide much more validity to this than you think. And that's not even going into the trademarks and website shenanigans. Something is definitely awry at the least. Can we all agree on that point? I'm remaining skeptical but also lean somewhat toward real (maybe not entirely).
The only thing that would settle this and put it all to rest is a Direct.

 

[Chiroz]

Go watch that video!!!

I don’t know if you follow them like I do but the fans had every right to express their disappointment of it. Not harass them but express their disappointment! Even I couldn’t understand why they put such minimal effort into it when they’ve covered other leaks for over 20 minutes that ended up being fake.

I haven't watched any of their videos on leaks so I wouldn't have anything to compare it to. If I am not mistaken that video was made very shortly after the leak was released, no? Organizing several people to talk over something, editing and such takes time. I would assume they started recording just a few hours after the leak released which means there wasn't much information about it, just a few things to say. That said, yea, claiming that the Banjo model looked like Omni's is definitely a fallacy.

I don’t disagree that the decision they made is logical. I just don’t think it matters, if something this big is in the community, I think it’s pretty much their place to cover it. Especially when they covered most of the substantial leaks for Smash 4 and so far have covered a lot with this one. They’ve set their own precedent for covering leaks of notable significance, and they should hold to that generally speaking.

And when you have a community that you can have a serious voice in possibly looking toward you for answers, silence and brushing things off is a horrible way to use that power.

Just because people want something to be true and it might enrage them to learn it’s false isn’t compelling evidence as a journalist to not cover a story. In fact, that’s when you’re most inclined to cover something is to find the truth in the chaos and report your findings. I think doing the opposite with easy capitulation devalues your own future stances. I mean not to get overly into politics, but there’s enough of just choosing to not addres things and the spread of misninformation that objectively makes situations overall worse. This may be on a much, much smaller level and inconsequential level, but I think the same concepts are relevant.

Again, their coverage could give voice to those who believe the leak is fake, or at the very least compile the evidence of the situation together to help avoid the misuse of information and the proliferation of false info...

Maybe I just don't understand what their standing in the community is since I don't watch their leak videos. I never viewed them as journalists, I thought of it more like a podcast. Just people giving their opinion and talking about certain topics.

 

[THE 6r]

FYI: Mystic is starting to address questions on Twitter right now.

 

[Metocles]

I'll have to look into it. I hadn't been on this thread in like 2 days. I was just reading developments on the general thread to see what was going on with the leak.

See the quoted message below for what he's talking about. I don't know, I think it's silly to claim that all of us ignore any counterpoints because of the prize of Isaac at the end of the rainbow if it's true. You're talking about the most pessimistic fanbase in Smash speculation here. We've shot down all the leaks containing Isaac before this specific one quicker than they even get posted. I've seen your points and have seen ArtsyOmni's video and I can definitely see what you guys are talking about. I've seen all of the inconsistencies you have to show and it does cast some doubt about everything, for sure.

It's simply not enough standalone evidence to be as damning as completely calling the entire thing off. That, I suppose is the main issue. If this leak was just an uploaded set of digital pictures on 4chan or gamefaqs, it would be entirely different. The pointing out of various inconsistencies would cast a large shadow from which there would be little recovery available. I wouldn't say it's ignored so much as it's being absorbed and thought about more deeply because it is a detail that matters. Skyblade12 below is a perfect example actually. Watched ArtsyOmni's video and was convinced towards it being fake, then thought about it even more and gave this response.

That's not to even say that this is foolproof, but I want to let it be known that we're not un-receptive about criticisms as you are assuming. While you might not believe me, for what it's worth, even if Isaac were not in this leak, I would still believe it. It's holding more water than it's leaking with every passing day.

So, I've been thinking about the Grinch leak for a while, and I'd like to break down and analyze some of it.

First, though, I would like to cut down on some of the flaws of the pro-Grinch argument:


We don't know that this is true. There is, as yet, no confirmation that this company contracts with either Bandai-Namco or Universal Studios, let alone both. While the company he worked for a year ago did contract with Bandai-Namco, the one he currently works for may or may not. Also, this argument fails to consider that Bandai-Namco would not be handling publicity, Nintendo would, since they are the publisher.



Now, as we get to the rest of it, we need to approach the leak logically. Following Occam's Razor, let's simplify things as much as possible. What must be faked in order to pull of this leak?

The answer is actually ridiculously simple. The only thing that needs to be faked is the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate material. Everything else can be genuine. The leak could actually have been created by someone who works for a publicity company and makes these sorts of promotional materials. The material for The Grinch could all be genuine, as could his work history with the company. As the meme says "anyone can make a fake leak". Even a publicist. There does not need to be any identity theft or identity fraud for this to be faked. Not even the Snapchat aspect of it was necessarily faked. It could have been something that he sent a friend via Snapchat, never meaning for it to go further and his name to be revealed (though that would mean all of this was created to fool one or two people, which does seem rather farfetched).


The only things that needed to be faked were the actual Super Smash Bros. Ultimate materials. So, let's look at them for a second.

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This is the image that has received the most attention, specifically the multi panel image in the middle. This image, apparently depicting a version of the Battlefield background used in the Mural but with the characters removed, has been reviewed in detail by a number of artists and digital arts enthusiasts, most notably ArtsyOmni, whose video on the subject can be found here.

I, however, am not an enthusiast or expert in digital art manipulation, nor of artistic techniques or analysis. So I will leave that to those who are.

Instead, I will focus on other, less analyzed aspects of the leaked materials, which I do have experience with.


Beneath the "LOL" emoji is what appears to be a set of display instructions for a circular hanging display. The display would contain the mural, wrapped into a circle (taking advantage of the fact that the mural's edges merge seamlessly), and suspended from four lines that converge at a single hanging point. This makes it clear that this is a display to be hung from the ceiling, and that the mural image would go on the outside of it.

Now, here is where things get interesting. It has been pointed out by some that the Mural image on this hanging display is not properly scaled, and that the mural would not fit on the display as shown. Whomever has made such an argument is an individual whom I can only assume has never had to set up a retail display, or at least, never actually looked at the instructions for doing so. Because, as someone who has set up dozens, and reviewed the instructions for probably hundreds over the course of seven years work in retail, I can assure you that the instructions for those displays are NEVER properly scaled. Or properly clipped. Or properly angled. Or properly sized. Or properly representative of the space you actually HAVE on a display to put the items they're telling you will fit there. Or-

Ahem. Apologies. Anyway, the point is, the instruction pages that come with display materials are designed to show you how to assemble them, how to display them, and what to put where. They are never artistically accurate. Literally, NEVER. The only ones I have seen which are accurate in terms of visuals are ones which are simply pictures taken of already assembled displays (which are inferior for the purposes of showing how to assemble such displays to the simple line drawings with cutouts).

The reasoning for the art being off is actually very simple: It's nothing but a placeholder, and its only purpose is to convey to you what side should face out, or to help confirm which piece you're looking for. Frequently (though not always), if the item being displayed is a book, magazine, or game (anything with a definitive "front") the picture will be skipped entirely, and instead replaced with a simple display of the title in block text. The images which do show up are usually minimal effort. Low quality images, taken from a camera, badly shoved into place, and then clipped to fit the block lines. Sometimes they will be perspective shifted to match the angle of the display. Sometimes not. Sometimes they'll be perspective shifted to NOT match at all (which can be really infuriating to see from someone with mild OCD about clean displays).

Scrolling down, we then see the three panel display. It has been said that these are for a light box display, and that would explain the low quality and color shifting of the art. I do not disagree or argue the point that a light box display would need to be altered in such a way. From personal experience, it would, though I cannot say what the result would be. However, I would argue that the image in question is simply too small to be used effectively for such a purpose. The light box displays I've worked with in the past are frequently quite large, and this one is roughly the size of a single sheet of paper for a three panel display. No. In actuality, this is another page of display instructions. While it is probably display instructions for such a light box, its purpose is merely to highlight which panel goes in which part of the display, to assure that the panels are in order and properly displayed.

And before you ask, the answer is yes. Such instructions do indeed assume that you are a moron who cannot tell which parts of a continuous display image go where just from looking at them.

Below that, we have further block diagrams, including some empty boxes which could be filled with instructions, more photos, or information specific to a particular store or outlet as this material is distributed.

So this entire image is actually a picture of display instructions for promotional material, rather than promotional material itself. It is likely a picture of a picture of promotional items, both taken with poor cameras, and neither intended to be professional quality.

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This image, on the other hand, which I have yet to see be artistically analyzed at all, is itself promotional material.

It's a packaged display of a circular item. It appears to be a wristband, due to both the size and the taper at the end. You can also see a faint outline of those same hanging instructions in this image, above the wristband, that looks as though it's being shown through a blank sheet of paper. The wristband appears very professionally produced, with properly scaled images placed correctly on the wristband.




So, after reviewing these images, the only conclusion I can come to is that this is 100% genuine. Artistic anomalies in the instructions are expected. In fact, I would be honestly shocked if they were not there. This gentleman's role in the company likely includes either review of materials, or assembly of the instructions themselves. The images used were likely taken by a worker at this company (if not the gentleman in question), on a low quality camera, and jumbled and edited into place to fit the lines and serve their bare purpose of being a placeholder (they were almost assuredly NOT provided by Nintendo). Any artistic analysis of those pieces is utterly irrelevant to the validity of the leak.

@papagenos @Billybae10K - This might be something you guys would want to review.

 

[pholtos]

So here's quite a few of the discussion vids on GameExplain. Let's compare their titles.

72 Fighters Total? New “Box Theory” May Suggest 2 More Smash Bros. Ultimate Newcomers
Was Rhythm Heaven's Karate Joe Teased During the Smash Bros. Ultimate Direct? (Easter Egg)
Was a Newcomer Just LEAKED via the Official Smash Bros. Ultimate YouTube Channel?!
Newcomer Potentially LEAKED for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Thumbnail is NOT a Spoiler!)
Is Smash Ultimate Teasing Golden Sun's Isaac? + 3 More Possible Newcomers From MIA Assist Trophies?

and finally...
RUMOR - Smash Bros. Ultimate's FINAL Roster Leaked? Here's Why It Might Be Fake

 

[jweb23]

I haven't watched any of their videos on leaks so I wouldn't have anything to compare it to. If I am not mistaken that video was made very shortly after the leak was released, no? Organizing several people to talk over something, editing and such takes time. I would assume they started recording just a few hours after the leak released which means there wasn't much information about it, just a few things to say. That said, yea, claiming that the Banjo model looked like Omni's is definitely a fallacy.

That’s the point I’m making. To quote an old saying, “this ain’t their first rodeo!” All they had to do was acknowledge the leak was a thing and say they plan on a proper analysis later down the line. I guarantee you they would have gotten little to no harassment had they done that but no... they made a rushed 3 minute video claiming blurriness and using a fallacy. Honestly they made this mess for themselves. Why they chose to do it that way when they never did it like that before? We’ll never know.

 

[Chiroz]

See the quoted message below for what he's talking about. I don't know, I think it's silly to claim that all of us ignore any counterpoints because of the prize of Isaac at the end of the rainbow if it's true. You're talking about the most pessimistic fanbase in Smash speculation here. We've shot down all the leaks containing Isaac before this specific one quicker than they even get posted. I've seen your points and have seen ArtsyOmni's video and I can definitely see what you guys are talking about. I've seen all of the inconsistencies you have to show and it does cast some doubt about everything, for sure.

It's simply not enough standalone evidence to be as damning as completely calling the entire thing off. That, I suppose is the main issue. If this leak was just an uploaded set of digital pictures on 4chan or gamefaqs, it would be entirely different. The pointing out of various inconsistencies would cast a large shadow from which there would be little recovery available. I wouldn't say it's ignored so much as it's being absorbed and thought about more deeply because it is a detail that matters. Skyblade12 below is a perfect example actually. Watched ArtsyOmni's video and was convinced towards it being fake, then thought about it even more and gave this response.

That's not to even say that this is foolproof, but I want to let it be known that we're not un-receptive about criticisms as you are assuming. While you might not believe me, for what it's worth, even if Isaac were not in this leak, I would still believe it. It's holding more water than it's leaking with every passing day.

The problem with that explanation is that Eric Brigard's job isn't to make instructions. It's to make designs. And theoretically designs should fit as it's the literal thing that will be shown, it needs to be exact to scale. You can't half ass a design then have a character cut off on the screen, that's not how that job works.

Also, the design itself IS exact to scale, I don't know where he gets it's not. Some dude tried it and it seemed off, then Vaan tried it and said that in fact it was correct and fits perfectly. So maybe this post was in between that dude's and Vaan's or maybe he didn't read Vaan's post, but the design fits perfectly on the object. Unless he means that it cuts off on the top? Yea that is weird, but that isn't even a problem, that was some weird on-purpose decision which neither helps nor disproves the leak as it would be equally as weird for Nintendo to cut the top part as it would be for the leaker to cut the top part.

So basically this guy is assuming the papers are instructions on "How to put the paper on the display", when because of Eric's job we are all assuming it's artistic designs. If it wasn't artistic designs and instead it was instructions a lot of this leaks credibility would suffer as it wouldn't match with Eric's job or company.

 

[TheSpaceKing12]

So here's quite a few of the discussion vids on GameExplain. Let's compare their titles.

72 Fighters Total? New “Box Theory” May Suggest 2 More Smash Bros. Ultimate Newcomers
Was Rhythm Heaven's Karate Joe Teased During the Smash Bros. Ultimate Direct? (Easter Egg)
Was a Newcomer Just LEAKED via the Official Smash Bros. Ultimate YouTube Channel?!
Newcomer Potentially LEAKED for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Thumbnail is NOT a Spoiler!)
Is Smash Ultimate Teasing Golden Sun's Isaac? + 3 More Possible Newcomers From MIA Assist Trophies?

and finally...
RUMOR - Smash Bros. Ultimate's FINAL Roster Leaked? Here's Why It Might Be Fake

That's a very interesting discrepancy. It sticks out like a sore thumb among the crowd.