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In the case of Ken and Incinroar they both have fire attacks and use fire. Ken could be Incinroar's foe. But yes they're from unrelated series, but I could see ken appearing in the trailer
That's gonna end up looking phenomenal man! I hope you get to finish it as time goes on, no wonder it took pretty long time.
Thank you so much for the explanation. I will say that it makes sense that the artwork for the instructions wouldn't be as detailed as the actual promotional material itself. At a relatively cursory glance, it does seem like the battlefield on the wristband does look the same as the artwork for the instructions (with the same artwork that has been scrutinized). So if that's supposed to be the final product then I suppose that same gripe could be applied to the wristband.So, I've been thinking about the Grinch leak for a while, and I'd like to break down and analyze some of it.
First, though, I would like to cut down on some of the flaws of the pro-Grinch argument:
We don't know that this is true. There is, as yet, no confirmation that this company contracts with either Bandai-Namco or Universal Studios, let alone both. While the company he worked for a year ago did contract with Bandai-Namco, the one he currently works for may or may not. Also, this argument fails to consider that Bandai-Namco would not be handling publicity, Nintendo would, since they are the publisher.
Now, as we get to the rest of it, we need to approach the leak logically. Following Occam's Razor, let's simplify things as much as possible. What must be faked in order to pull of this leak?
The answer is actually ridiculously simple. The only thing that needs to be faked is the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate material. Everything else can be genuine. The leak could actually have been created by someone who works for a publicity company and makes these sorts of promotional materials. The material for The Grinch could all be genuine, as could his work history with the company. As the meme says "anyone can make a fake leak". Even a publicist. There does not need to be any identity theft or identity fraud for this to be faked. Not even the Snapchat aspect of it was necessarily faked. It could have been something that he sent a friend via Snapchat, never meaning for it to go further and his name to be revealed (though that would mean all of this was created to fool one or two people, which does seem rather farfetched).
The only things that needed to be faked were the actual Super Smash Bros. Ultimate materials. So, let's look at them for a second.
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This is the image that has received the most attention, specifically the multi panel image in the middle. This image, apparently depicting a version of the Battlefield background used in the Mural but with the characters removed, has been reviewed in detail by a number of artists and digital arts enthusiasts, most notably ArtsyOmni, whose video on the subject can be found here.
I, however, am not an enthusiast or expert in digital art manipulation, nor of artistic techniques or analysis. So I will leave that to those who are.
Instead, I will focus on other, less analyzed aspects of the leaked materials, which I do have experience with.
Beneath the "LOL" emoji is what appears to be a set of display instructions for a circular hanging display. The display would contain the mural, wrapped into a circle (taking advantage of the fact that the mural's edges merge seamlessly), and suspended from four lines that converge at a single hanging point. This makes it clear that this is a display to be hung from the ceiling, and that the mural image would go on the outside of it.
Now, here is where things get interesting. It has been pointed out by some that the Mural image on this hanging display is not properly scaled, and that the mural would not fit on the display as shown. Whomever has made such an argument is an individual whom I can only assume has never had to set up a retail display, or at least, never actually looked at the instructions for doing so. Because, as someone who has set up dozens, and reviewed the instructions for probably hundreds over the course of seven years work in retail, I can assure you that the instructions for those displays are NEVER properly scaled. Or properly clipped. Or properly angled. Or properly sized. Or properly representative of the space you actually HAVE on a display to put the items they're telling you will fit there. Or-
Ahem. Apologies. Anyway, the point is, the instruction pages that come with display materials are designed to show you how to assemble them, how to display them, and what to put where. They are never artistically accurate. Literally, NEVER. The only ones I have seen which are accurate in terms of visuals are ones which are simply pictures taken of already assembled displays (which are inferior for the purposes of showing how to assemble such displays to the simple line drawings with cutouts).
The reasoning for the art being off is actually very simple: It's nothing but a placeholder, and its only purpose is to convey to you what side should face out, or to help confirm which piece you're looking for. Frequently (though not always), if the item being displayed is a book, magazine, or game (anything with a definitive "front") the picture will be skipped entirely, and instead replaced with a simple display of the title in block text. The images which do show up are usually minimal effort. Low quality images, taken from a camera, badly shoved into place, and then clipped to fit the block lines. Sometimes they will be perspective shifted to match the angle of the display. Sometimes not. Sometimes they'll be perspective shifted to NOT match at all (which can be really infuriating to see from someone with mild OCD about clean displays).
Scrolling down, we then see the three panel display. It has been said that these are for a light box display, and that would explain the low quality and color shifting of the art. I do not disagree or argue the point that a light box display would need to be altered in such a way. From personal experience, it would, though I cannot say what the result would be. However, I would argue that the image in question is simply too small to be used effectively for such a purpose. The light box displays I've worked with in the past are frequently quite large, and this one is roughly the size of a single sheet of paper for a three panel display. No. In actuality, this is another page of display instructions. While it is probably display instructions for such a light box, its purpose is merely to highlight which panel goes in which part of the display, to assure that the panels are in order and properly displayed.
And before you ask, the answer is yes. Such instructions do indeed assume that you are a moron who cannot tell which parts of a continuous display image go where just from looking at them.
Below that, we have further block diagrams, including some empty boxes which could be filled with instructions, more photos, or information specific to a particular store or outlet as this material is distributed.
So this entire image is actually a picture of display instructions for promotional material, rather than promotional material itself. It is likely a picture of a picture of promotional items, both taken with poor cameras, and neither intended to be professional quality.
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This image, on the other hand, which I have yet to see be artistically analyzed at all, is itself promotional material.
It's a packaged display of a circular item. It appears to be a wristband, due to both the size and the taper at the end. You can also see a faint outline of those same hanging instructions in this image, above the wristband, that looks as though it's being shown through a blank sheet of paper. The wristband appears very professionally produced, with properly scaled images placed correctly on the wristband.
So, after reviewing these images, the only conclusion I can come to is that this is 100% genuine. Artistic anomalies in the instructions are expected. In fact, I would be honestly shocked if they were not there. This gentleman's role in the company likely includes either review of materials, or assembly of the instructions themselves. The images used were likely taken by a worker at this company (if not the gentleman in question), on a low quality camera, and jumbled and edited into place to fit the lines and serve their bare purpose of being a placeholder (they were almost assuredly NOT provided by Nintendo). Any artistic analysis of those pieces is utterly irrelevant to the validity of the leak.
@papagenosBillybae10K - This might be something you guys would want to review.
Not quite. It's similar, yes. Because it's the same scene. But it has logos or characters covering most of the parts that have been analyzed in detail. What's more, it's a better quality image, since it is intended as a final product.
I'd prefer to play his daughter, would be nice to have a girl protag. Something like taking place a bit before the end of the third game, right before the eclipse ends. Maybe her being trapped by a monster of darkness, and getting "infected" by it. So she'd be a dark adept and when we meet Matthew he could be a light one. At least partially. (and then fun ensues because love triangle with best girl)
It would actually work. Incineroar is a heel catch fighter. They could be doing a promotional match, after all Ken is a star and a business man. Ken would be the "good guy" and inceneroar the "bad guy" of the show. It would be fun to see them fight for "fake" until something happens and they both get serious. (king dedede crashing the party probably, or Captain Falcon coming in to steal the show, angrying both ken and Incineroar).
This.
I was confident in Isaac and Felix for a while, but the leak doesn't include them at all. So either Felix is going to be a Dark Pit situation (not confirmed and not shown on the mural, but he is in the trailer and is unlockable in the final game--Sakurai did say he'd merely reveal the DESIGN of every character), or Felix just isn't in.
Basically nothing has changed and nothing will change. Everything meaningful was discussed the first day or two of the leak.
Skyblade12
for his analysis earlier (The one he mentioned me on). You got full credit in today's video and I find your analysis very interesting to think about.
Those fakes are still more tame in the grand scheme of things compared to this one, actively getting a real company involved that had to step forward and make a claim and the possibility of an innocent person getting framed in all this.
That's entirely subjective though. I never bought into into the Rayman hoax and seeing a closeup of Bomberman would make me very suspicous. They don't have the same amount of edivence that can prove that the leak can be real. As far as I'm concerned only the Palutena 3d leak ever made me think it was real. Nothing else came even close to me.
This is great, and spot on. Sadly not Flint in this one but I still think it looks great. Hope we see flint in a taunt or his victory screen instead.I tried figuring out Isaacs pose in the supposed leak, maybe I will brush it up if i am motivated!
Wondered where I should post this, so i figured here would be fitting, since i was lurking here for a while
Honestly... yeah. But honestly to break the mold a little bit I think it should focus on Felix’s daughter.
Basically, his blue leg is him kneeling down on one knee. So his left knee is kneeled, similar to the sort of pose you'd make when proposing.
His left knee is on the ground with his for behind him so you can't see his boots (Isaac wears blue pants, so you're seeing the part of his pants that covers his thigh)
Hey Billy I just want to thank you for giving me hope for Isaac again with that Isaac for smash video you made a while back in August. I was in the shadows not really all that hopeful for Isaac despite me wanting him in dearly after what happened with smash 4, but then after watching that video, I came to join the smashboards thread here and Its been quite a adventure ever since. Thanks for making me believe in his inclusion again. I will keep supporting him and Shantae until the very end. I am going to hope for the best!
Back four pages or so i made my own sketch over the leak to show how his pose would look like: Here this should explain it
I agree
There's a recreation by someone from this thread just a couple of posts before yours.
Ah! Exactly what I was hoping for. Thank you! That clears it up significantly.
I feel much better about that pose now.I did get some momentum on Twitter and SmashBoards on the Banner concept being a display assembly... well, that went to hell.Yo, just want to shout out
I'm sure he's gonna make ton of adorable friends.
Interesting. But could this might just be them shutting the video down because of harassment? Anyone see if people were [badword]posting in the comments?New discovery guys. Remember that ACP-PLV video that @Metocles linked which showed how they made their promotional material and all that. I shared the link with someone else and they notified me that the video got taken down by the company around an hour ago which is really weird to me. Interesting that they haven't made an official statement
Just a few comments talking about the leak the last time I saw it, which was 6pm pacific time yesterday..
I saw a few Grinch comments down there nothing that bad, then again I only saw a few comments, Also I found this which makes interesting points about the company
They likely CAN’T make an official statement.New discovery guys. Remember that ACP-PLV video that @Metocles linked which showed how they made their promotional material and all that. I shared the link with someone else and they notified me that the video got taken down by the company around an hour ago which is really weird to me. Interesting that they haven't made an official statement
How so? Did I have flaws in my logic or conclusions?
Quite interesting indeed then. I think we got 3 scenarios:
