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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Isaac: Venus Adept

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We are just 15 supporters away from 400 :joyful:

Also apparently the Ashley thread found out that there is bunch of unlisted 3DS videos on Nintendo's YouTube channel, can this mean a new direct is coming? Although I would prefer GS on Switch, this could be a small possibility of a 3DS Golden Sun although chances for that are slim since it hasn't been too long since Aces went gold.
 
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Skyblade12

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We are just 15 supporters away from 400 :joyful:

Also apparently the Ashley thread found out that there is bunch of unlisted 3DS videos on Nintendo's YouTube channel, can this mean a new direct is coming? Although I would prefer GS on Switch, this could be a small possibility of a 3DS Golden Sun although chances for that are slim since it hasn't been too long since Aces went gold.
Apparently Nintendo just made a lot of old videos private.
 

True Blue Warrior

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Just noticed my name is also absent from the supporter list, care to add me as well?
I've added you.

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SonicLink125

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So EVO is starting today. I keep hearing rumors about a character reveal during it. If that's true, I hope it will be more than one character reveal. Wishful thinking, I know.
 

iam8bit

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Joined
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Messages
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I don't think Nintendo would reveal game details in an unofficial event like EVO. Seems very unlikely to me.

It's about time for a Direct though, isn't it?

*Looks at date* *Waits*
 

Hydewell

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Joined
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Messages
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Don't expect anything related to Nintendo because AFAIK Nintendo didn't even promote EVO in their social medias.

On the other hand, a reveal in GamesCom sounds plausible...
 
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Damn i think i lost track of the comics i posted, i think this was the next one i was supposed to post?


Tune in Next time for the next artist.
 

Isaac: Venus Adept

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Octopath just sold a million copies which is proving that Switch is great for the JRPG market. The @IsaacForSmash reply on Twitter I made to the Octopath asking for the return of Golden Sun got alot of love too which is awesome
 

DogManStar

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Bummer. Oh well. I just hope we get some news soon.

Btw, this guy did a voting poll on r/nintendoswitch for what we want in Smash Ultimate. Great to see Isaac in the top 5. The results here are pretty interesting:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSw...made_a_survey_1_week_after_e3_with_over_2000/
Whenever I feel a little discouraged about my support, I remind myself that stuff like this still regularly happens. Maybe not every Isaac supporter is as vocal as I am, but we're still one of the biggest support bases out there.
 
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Isaac: Venus Adept

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Whenever I feel a little discouraged about my support, I remind myself that stuff like this still regularly happens. Maybe not every Isaac supporter is as vocal as I am, but we're still one of the biggest support bases out there.
And aside from King K.Rool and Geno (who even had Mii costumes), Isaac is one of the more popular characters who hasn't had an appearance in a long time. Alot of the other popular characters have relevancy on their side and some characters who used to be some of the more popular choices sometimes wither in demand for the next game like Ghirahim, Prince Fluff or Zoroark, yet Isaac is still amongst the one of the most demanded characters. It's really a testament to how much of a good fit he is for Smash
 
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Arcadenblog

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Messages
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I have a theory. I know its gonna get shot down, but I want to get it out there. What is it, you ask?

Isaac was considered for Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS.

Where's my proof, you ask? Here.

First off, the obvious one. Isaac's assist trophy was removed. Meanwhile, "irrelevant" fan favorites like Saki return and new ones get added/deconfirmed like Sable Prince and Takamaru. And yet, Isaac was strangely absent.

Second, you have to look at where Sakurai was pulling newcomers from this time. Looking at the newcomers, he mainly pulled from Wii and 3DS games.
Villager (Animal Crossing: City Folk)
Mega Man (Mega Man 9 and 10)
Wii Fit Trainer (Wii Fit)
Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)
Little Mac (Punch-Out!!)
Mii (self explanatory)
Shulk (Xenoblade Chronicles)

Golden Sun: Dark Dawn came out around the same as Punch-Out Wii and Xenoblade (2010), meaning that Isaac could've actually been considered more relevant than we thought. Not only that, but Shulk got in. Remember all the trouble Xenoblade had to go through to get to the states? How well do you think the game sold worldwide? Xenoblade wouldn't hit 1M units until Xenoblade 2 in 2018. And yet, here he is. Sakurai noted that Shulk was added because of the fan demand.

So why wasn't Isaac added? Well, because Dark Dawn didn't sell well, (it didn't break even 100k unites) Sakurai placed Isaac on low priority. Meaning he would've added him to the base roster if he had enough time. (Remember how Bowser Jr. was almost cut?)

To recap:
*Isaac's Assist Trophy was removed
*Sakurai would've considered Golden Sun relevant due to Dark Dawn's 2010 release
*Sakurai was most likely aware of the fan demand like he was for Mega Man, Little Mac and Shulk.
*He wasn't added due to a combination of time constraints and Dark Dawn's low sales.
 

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Smash Flash 2 Beta was updated and Isaac got a new taunt where he summons Dark Dawn Djinn. The specific ones are Flint, Vine, Quartz and Salt.
 

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I have a theory. I know its gonna get shot down, but I want to get it out there. What is it, you ask?

Isaac was considered for Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS.

Where's my proof, you ask? Here.

First off, the obvious one. Isaac's assist trophy was removed. Meanwhile, "irrelevant" fan favorites like Saki return and new ones get added/deconfirmed like Sable Prince and Takamaru. And yet, Isaac was strangely absent.

Second, you have to look at where Sakurai was pulling newcomers from this time. Looking at the newcomers, he mainly pulled from Wii and 3DS games.
Villager (Animal Crossing: City Folk)
Mega Man (Mega Man 9 and 10)
Wii Fit Trainer (Wii Fit)
Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)
Little Mac (Punch-Out!!)
Mii (self explanatory)
Shulk (Xenoblade Chronicles)

Golden Sun: Dark Dawn came out around the same as Punch-Out Wii and Xenoblade (2010), meaning that Isaac could've actually been considered more relevant than we thought. Not only that, but Shulk got in. Remember all the trouble Xenoblade had to go through to get to the states? How well do you think the game sold worldwide? Xenoblade wouldn't hit 1M units until Xenoblade 2 in 2018. And yet, here he is. Sakurai noted that Shulk was added because of the fan demand.

So why wasn't Isaac added? Well, because Dark Dawn didn't sell well, (it didn't break even 100k unites) Sakurai placed Isaac on low priority. Meaning he would've added him to the base roster if he had enough time. (Remember how Bowser Jr. was almost cut?)

To recap:
*Isaac's Assist Trophy was removed
*Sakurai would've considered Golden Sun relevant due to Dark Dawn's 2010 release
*Sakurai was most likely aware of the fan demand like he was for Mega Man, Little Mac and Shulk.
*He wasn't added due to a combination of time constraints and Dark Dawn's low sales.
I could honestly see this as a possibility
 

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Assuming SSBU appears at the Tokyo Game Show with a new demo featuring different characters, I anticipate we'll get at least one newcomer reveal before then.

[Shrugs] At any rate, we only have roughly four months left until the game's release, and I'm willing to bet the full roster will get leaked beforehand. That said, I don't mind waiting a little longer to learn Isaac's fate.
 

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I have a theory. I know its gonna get shot down, but I want to get it out there. What is it, you ask?

Isaac was considered for Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS.

Where's my proof, you ask? Here.

First off, the obvious one. Isaac's assist trophy was removed. Meanwhile, "irrelevant" fan favorites like Saki return and new ones get added/deconfirmed like Sable Prince and Takamaru. And yet, Isaac was strangely absent.

Second, you have to look at where Sakurai was pulling newcomers from this time. Looking at the newcomers, he mainly pulled from Wii and 3DS games.
Villager (Animal Crossing: City Folk)
Mega Man (Mega Man 9 and 10)
Wii Fit Trainer (Wii Fit)
Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)
Little Mac (Punch-Out!!)
Mii (self explanatory)
Shulk (Xenoblade Chronicles)

Golden Sun: Dark Dawn came out around the same as Punch-Out Wii and Xenoblade (2010), meaning that Isaac could've actually been considered more relevant than we thought. Not only that, but Shulk got in. Remember all the trouble Xenoblade had to go through to get to the states? How well do you think the game sold worldwide? Xenoblade wouldn't hit 1M units until Xenoblade 2 in 2018. And yet, here he is. Sakurai noted that Shulk was added because of the fan demand.

So why wasn't Isaac added? Well, because Dark Dawn didn't sell well, (it didn't break even 100k unites) Sakurai placed Isaac on low priority. Meaning he would've added him to the base roster if he had enough time. (Remember how Bowser Jr. was almost cut?)

To recap:
*Isaac's Assist Trophy was removed
*Sakurai would've considered Golden Sun relevant due to Dark Dawn's 2010 release
*Sakurai was most likely aware of the fan demand like he was for Mega Man, Little Mac and Shulk.
*He wasn't added due to a combination of time constraints and Dark Dawn's low sales.
I actually do believe in this theory. It just makes no sense to have Isaac's AT cut when many of the less popular ATs from less popular franchises got to stay, no matter what reception of DD was like. It would take no effort to port back the AT that doesn't even reference the game, and they actually didn't shy away from it since DD's Weyard is a song on Palutena's Temple.
 

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I actually do believe in this theory. It just makes no sense to have Isaac's AT cut when many of the less popular ATs from less popular franchises got to stay, no matter what reception of DD was like. It would take no effort to port back the AT that doesn't even reference the game, and they actually didn't shy away from it since DD's Weyard is a song on Palutena's Temple.
Maybe they cut it because it didn't work properly on 3DS.
 

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Maybe they cut it because it didn't work properly on 3DS.
I don't see what's so different about Isaac's projectile that would make it more intensive for the 3DS. Sure, it's a giant hand that stays on screen for a long time, but Andross shoots a number of massive 3D polygons out of his mouth and he's able to exist just fine. Isaac's really is just a large and moving wall of a hitbox in functionality.

I'm more confused by the absence of a trophy for Isaac altogether. What was that all about?
 
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Dark Dawn was the latest game. Isaac looks vastly different. Maybe he just didn't prioritize the series, so didn't want to update Isaac's AT nor think the series was too important to give any major content to. I mean, it sucks as an idea, but it's quite possible.
 

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Dark Dawn was the latest game. Isaac looks vastly different. Maybe he just didn't prioritize the series, so didn't want to update Isaac's AT nor think the series was too important to give any major content to. I mean, it sucks as an idea, but it's quite possible.
That's something I don't understand. If they had to take out Isaac's trophy, then why didn't they add at least a Matthew trophy to represent DD since it was recent?
 

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That's something I don't understand. If they had to take out Isaac's trophy, then why didn't they add at least a Matthew trophy to represent DD since it was recent?
Just what I also said; Golden Sun wasn't high priority for Sakurai. That applies to the series in general.

There also may be more we don't know. I doubt Camelot would have a big issue with it. And I don't think Dark Dawn having less popularity than the previous two necessarily affected development at the time. I think DD was already out before 4 started to get worked on? If so, it simply wasn't "good for timing". It's also possible that it having mixed reviews was known during development so Sakurai scrapped it due to it being panned. I'm not banking on any of this, but this is a weird situation overall. The fact it got a song in the first place just questions why we got nothing else. I mean, it's easier to add than a new model, sure, but still.
 

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To recap:
*Isaac's Assist Trophy was removed
*Sakurai would've considered Golden Sun relevant due to Dark Dawn's 2010 release
*Sakurai was most likely aware of the fan demand like he was for Mega Man, Little Mac and Shulk.
*He wasn't added due to a combination of time constraints and Dark Dawn's low sales.
This is my line of thought as well. It just doesn't make sense for him to be completely absent, I'm sure he was considered for the roster but ended up not making it due to other characters being prioritized. And DLC was mostly veterans and 3rd party characters.

If this is actually the case, I just hope Isaac stayed on Sakurai's radar for the new game or DLC. :(

Just what I also said; Golden Sun wasn't high priority for Sakurai. That applies to the series in general.
That wouldn't make sense for me regarding trophies since it would imply that every other series represented in trophies is higher priority than Golden Sun.
 

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That wouldn't make sense for me regarding trophies since it would imply that every other series represented in trophies is higher priority than Golden Sun.
Trophies require a new model to work with. The models in DD aren't high quality/mesh well with Smash all that much. It does take more effort to fix up the model that simply take a song and port it over. And that's assuming he wanted the updated Isaac. It's also possible he was planned as a character, so didn't actually leave the model in there for people to "figure out" he was planned at some point. Sakurai has often preferred to tell us development plans instead of us getting it through datamines/leaks.

But we still don't know why it was solely a song.
 

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So why wasn't Isaac added? Well, because Dark Dawn didn't sell well, (it didn't break even 100k unites) Sakurai placed Isaac on low priority. Meaning he would've added him to the base roster if he had enough time. (Remember how Bowser Jr. was almost cut?)
We don't know how much it sold, it could be 1 unite to 999.999 unites (the only thing we know it wasn't a million seller). But I really doubt that it didn't even arrive at 100k unites. I don't know where did you get that number, but if you were using vgzchart (which is an unreliable site), the game sold 800k, not 80k.
Also, Though I think your point of view could be the correct one, there're other important facts that helped Shulk to be in the game.
· Monolith Soft is a first party studio, unlike Camelot. So Nintendo has more reasons to push them (and Xenoblade franchise) unlike Camelot (and Golden Sun). They invested a lot of money in them and their priority is that their games need to be profitable (and succesful).
· The game was highly acclaimed. The media and the fanbase really liked it, despite its bad sales. On the other hand, DD was heavily critizised by the press and users because of their legacy.

I don't see what's so different about Isaac's projectile that would make it more intensive for the 3DS. Sure, it's a giant hand that stays on screen for a long time, but Andross shoots a number of massive 3D polygons out of his mouth and he's able to exist just fine. Isaac's really is just a large and moving wall of a hitbox in functionality.
Maybe it wasn't the fact of the hand itself, maybe it was the interaction of the hand and how the hand push them away. The psynergy even affected the characters when they were invincible (with the star power).

That's something I don't understand. If they had to take out Isaac's trophy, then why didn't they add at least a Matthew trophy to represent DD since it was recent?
They could have created the model from the ground, so that would mean they would have increased the work (they would have to change the clothes). Also, maybe they couldn't port the sprite from DD because the engines weren't compatible...

Dark Dawn was the latest game. Isaac looks vastly different. Maybe he just didn't prioritize the series, so didn't want to update Isaac's AT nor think the series was too important to give any major content to. I mean, it sucks as an idea, but it's quite possible.
Yeah, but we have Saki and he didn't even appeared in the last game of the franchise... We know if they reused the same model from Brawl?
 

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Yeah, but we have Saki and he didn't even appeared in the last game of the franchise... We know if they reused the same model from Brawl?
Isaac no longer being the protagonist at the time could put him in "lower priority" too. That is, for AT's. On the other hand, with Saki, his sequel did pretty poorly too. DD did pretty decently, and was also less obscure in the long run. So maybe Matthew was on his mind for an AT change and it never worked out.

I hope Sakurai explains it himself. There's just too many possibilities. I do agree with your point. It's awkward. Why does Saki get a break but Isaac doesn't?
 

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Isaac no longer being the protagonist at the time could put him in "lower priority" too. That is, for AT's. On the other hand, with Saki, his sequel did pretty poorly too. DD did pretty decently, and was also less obscure in the long run. So maybe Matthew was on his mind for an AT change and it never worked out.

I hope Sakurai explains it himself. There's just too many possibilities. I do agree with your point. It's awkward. Why does Saki get a break but Isaac doesn't?
Yeah. Also Barbara didn't appear as an AT when she had a game in 2013 (though it was only in Japan) but she appeared as a trophy...

We won't probably know why they cut some ATs in sm4sh because the press doesn't seem very interested in it. But he criteria they used it's really strange =\ The easy explanation would be bias but I don't want to think that's the explanation.
 

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Yeah. Also Barbara didn't appear as an AT when she had a game in 2013 (though it was only in Japan) but she appeared as a trophy...

We won't probably know why they cut some ATs in sm4sh because the press doesn't seem very interested in it. But he criteria they used it's really strange =\ The easy explanation would be bias but I don't want to think that's the explanation.
Well, Sakurai can have bias. We know that much. But yeah, there might be more to it than we can guess.
 

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I have a theory. I know its gonna get shot down, but I want to get it out there. What is it, you ask?

Isaac was considered for Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS.

Where's my proof, you ask? Here.

First off, the obvious one. Isaac's assist trophy was removed. Meanwhile, "irrelevant" fan favorites like Saki return and new ones get added/deconfirmed like Sable Prince and Takamaru. And yet, Isaac was strangely absent.

Second, you have to look at where Sakurai was pulling newcomers from this time. Looking at the newcomers, he mainly pulled from Wii and 3DS games.
Villager (Animal Crossing: City Folk)
Mega Man (Mega Man 9 and 10)
Wii Fit Trainer (Wii Fit)
Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)
Little Mac (Punch-Out!!)
Mii (self explanatory)
Shulk (Xenoblade Chronicles)

Golden Sun: Dark Dawn came out around the same as Punch-Out Wii and Xenoblade (2010), meaning that Isaac could've actually been considered more relevant than we thought. Not only that, but Shulk got in. Remember all the trouble Xenoblade had to go through to get to the states? How well do you think the game sold worldwide? Xenoblade wouldn't hit 1M units until Xenoblade 2 in 2018. And yet, here he is. Sakurai noted that Shulk was added because of the fan demand.

So why wasn't Isaac added? Well, because Dark Dawn didn't sell well, (it didn't break even 100k unites) Sakurai placed Isaac on low priority. Meaning he would've added him to the base roster if he had enough time. (Remember how Bowser Jr. was almost cut?)

To recap:
*Isaac's Assist Trophy was removed
*Sakurai would've considered Golden Sun relevant due to Dark Dawn's 2010 release
*Sakurai was most likely aware of the fan demand like he was for Mega Man, Little Mac and Shulk.
*He wasn't added due to a combination of time constraints and Dark Dawn's low sales.
In Smash 4 Isaac way more tougher competition as well regarding new IPs, Animal Crossing sells like hotcakes which easily explains Villager, Little Mac was a Brawl assist as well and has way more history and was more iconic to the gaming community and Shulk was most likely prioritised over Isaac due to the fact that Monolith would be still developing RPGs while Camelot would move back to Mario Sports games.
Also VGChartz says Dark Dawn sold 800k, I want to know where they got this data from to see whether it's accurate or not.
I'm honestly hoping Sakurai gets surprised by Isaac's popularity in the ballot and considers him this time. Golden Sun is one of the more notable and popular Nintendo franchises along with Rhythm Heaven and Chibi-Robo who don't have a character representing them.
 

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In Smash 4 Isaac way more tougher competition as well regarding new IPs, Animal Crossing sells like hotcakes which easily explains Villager, Little Mac was a Brawl assist as well and has way more history and was more iconic to the gaming community and Shulk was most likely prioritised over Isaac due to the fact that Monolith would be still developing RPGs while Camelot would move back to Mario Sports games.

Also VGChartz says Dark Dawn sold 800k, I want to know where they got this data from to see whether it's accurate or not.
I'm honestly hoping Sakurai gets surprised by Isaac's popularity in the ballot and considers him this time. Golden Sun is one of the more notable and popular Nintendo franchises along with Rhythm Heaven and Chibi-Robo who don't have a character representing them.
VGChartz is not accurate or trustworthy. Trust me on that one.
 

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Even if DD sold like 500k, why on earth is this bad, when Fire Emblem Awakening had to reach AT LEAST 250k to be considered successful by Nintendo? Where is the logic in this? Intelligent Systems is a bigger developer than Camelot, so they need more sales to be able to pay their employees and make profit as well, then why would a smaller number be sufficient for them, but whatever it was DD sold, is bad and the series will not continue because of that?

Can someone explain this?
 
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They probably use an algorythm that depending on how much sold the first weeks, they calculate how the sales drop, etc.

But yeah, basically the data is concocted. Nowadays we have an idea with reliable sources for the popular titles because some companies publish the numbers (Media create in Japan (every week), NPD in USA (every month), in Europe is a bit difficult due to the numbers of countries, but there are one in UK which is published every week, etc.) But this wasn't common before, so...

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Even if DD sold like 500k, why on earth is this bad, when Fire Emblem Awakening had to reach AT LEAST 250k to be considered successful by Nintendo? Where is the logic in this? Intelligent Systems is a bigger developer than Camelot, so they need more sales to be able to pay their employees and make profit as well, then why would a smaller number be sufficient for them, but whatever it was DD sold, is bad and the series will not continue because of that?

Can someone explain this?
First, Intelligent Systems (the creators), despite being a 3rd party (welp, second party for the fandom), it's VERY close to Nintendo in terms of bussiness. They even have their building near to the Nintendo Headquarters (I think it was in the same street). Though Nintendo hasn't bought IS, basically it's a first party studio for them.
Also, their team is big. They probably triplified the Camelot team at that time. And they work in a lot of different projects in various genres (they're responsible of Paper Mario, Wario Ware, Fire Emblem, Wars, Panel de Pon, Pullblox...) so Fire Emblem (with Wars) was their only IP which wasn't influenced nor ordered and supervised by Nintendo.

On the other hand, we had Camelot, which, at that time, broke up with Nintendo to join Capcom in a Golf game for the Wii (despite being first designed for the PC) and returned to Nintendo with a worse team and were near to bankruptcy. They developed a game which was heavily criticised and their next Mario sport titles (Tennis and Golf for the 3ds) were also criticised for their lack of content (even now they are accused of that with Aces). If they have problems with small titles like Mario Tennis, why would Nintendo rely on them with a much more demanding title like a RPG?

Maybe FE:Awakening wasn't that profitable if they sold only 250k. But you need to understand that IS has been with them since 1984 and has developed a lot of succesful games which sold very well. Their only self-IP was in trouble (Wars was basically dead at that point), but they could be more soft with them (yeah, a bit contradictory considering if it didn't make it, they would kill the franchise lol) because they saw the potential of the team.

Also, I think it's (was) cheaper to develop a Fire Emblem title. I've never played a Fire Emblem title so my opinion could be wrong, but basically you need to design some maps and the characters, do a proper story and develop the stats for every character, like a RPG system (now probably they increased the costs because there're zones where you can move freely and there're interactive maps). Golden Sun needs more budget because the team need to design the dungeons, world map (which includes the exploration), the towns, the puzzles and their interactions with the psyenergies, the rpg system, the story, create a lot of enemies... So in Fire Emblem you need to play only in a small area and in Golden Sun you can move freely in one area which conect to other areas. Yeah, maybe with the same sales like Fire Emblem could be profitable, but it would be less... and the Mario Sport titles gives more money to them.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if we got more than one character on wednesday, but the past has shown us that that doesn't really have to mean anything. It's incredibly difficult not to get your hopes up, but I don't want to expect too much and get disappointed in the end. It's conflicting. Let's just cross our collective fingers.
 
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