Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[Pyzlnar]

I really want everyone's expectations for base to drop immediately, given how things are. I don't want Smash 4 to happen all over again, where the Isaac crowd went all-in even to the last minute and got crushed as a result. We need to be the first to shift towards DLC, become the forefront there, and *hope* someone hears us. If we keep going forward with most of our confidence in a basegame appearance, I'm worried we may fragment again. I'm not sure if we can recover from that nightmare a second time.

End rant and all that. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my delicious, delicious words while playing Isaac.

How about no, and let us have some fun? lol
You do you, but there's no reason to give up hope entirely.

We're all on the same boat waiting for news so I see nothing wrong with being hopeful for the remaining couple of weeks before we get some info.

 

[pholtos]

Then we find out that GS4 is coming out on switch (or GS1+2 remake) and they tie that in to revealing Isaac.

 

[QcSlayer]

If we are getting a general Nintendo direct in early November and a Smash direct later in November it would actually be pretty good for us if Incineroar showed up in the general direct.

Just like that guy from GameXplain?? (I think)
Who predicted a lot of game from the last direct, I'm calling GS remastered and an Isaac trailer + Smash direct announcement if we do get a normal ND direct soon.

 

[Isaac for Smash Pls]

I hate to bring the thread down, but I think we should call it GGs for base. The biggest thing in our favor (and every other possible newcomer's favor) was the assumption we'd get an early October Direct. With that not panning out and people shifting to a Double Direct November, I think everyone's toast bar a miracle.

If it's indeed a General + Smash Direct, everyone is toast. General will most likely be a big name (presumably a Pokemon so presumably Incineroar), and the Smash will be focused on Spirits with a few left over reveals (presumably Ken).

I really want everyone's expectations for base to drop immediately, given how things are. I don't want Smash 4 to happen all over again, where the Isaac crowd went all-in even to the last minute and got crushed as a result. We need to be the first to shift towards DLC, become the forefront there, and *hope* someone hears us. If we keep going forward with most of our confidence in a basegame appearance, I'm worried we may fragment again. I'm not sure if we can recover from that nightmare a second time.

End rant and all that. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my delicious, delicious words while playing Isaac.

I mean this is essentially what I said up above but I don't think there's any reason to give up hope yet. We should prepare ourselves for the eventuality, sure, and we should definitely be ready to smoothly transition over to DLC support. But no reason to just shut down all conversation/hope/speculation in the thread entirely until the Direct.

So I guess as usual I'm just taking the middle road here. I admit that the fewer Directs we have, the more our window narrows, and if the original 108 stages thing was indeed a mistake then it looks pretty grim, but we shouldn't throw all hope out the window just yet.

 

[Organization XIII]

I hate to bring the thread down, but I think we should call it GGs for base.

I will not give up on base. We still have a great chance. Also, I have no faith for DLC so it's base or nothing.

 

[Billybae10K]

I hate to bring the thread down, but I think we should call it GGs for base. The biggest thing in our favor (and every other possible newcomer's favor) was the assumption we'd get an early October Direct. With that not panning out and people shifting to a Double Direct November, I think everyone's toast bar a miracle.

If it's indeed a General + Smash Direct, everyone is toast. General will most likely be a big name (presumably a Pokemon so presumably Incineroar), and the Smash will be focused on Spirits with a few left over reveals (presumably Ken).

Characterwise, the Smash Direct can go two ways, or what I'll call 103 and 108. 103 is MAYBE one character we haven't seen yet, 108 would be an insane a-la August blowout where everyone goes crazy. 108 is the least likely.

108 requires both Corocoro to *intentionally* mislead their readers regarding the stage total at this point and for Nintendo to know how to actually be competent with generating hype near release, which they have never proven themselves remotely good at. I would NOT expect lightning to strike twice and for a 3+ character reveal extravaganza to occur because of this.

Isaac will never be General Direct material for obvious reasons. The odds of him pulling a June Ridley are low for the same reasons: he isn't big enough to carry a Direct on his own in any reasonable way. The only characters that can come close aren't even majorly speculated on right now bar Steve, who is unlikely for different reasons but still fits the bill. For better or worse, all the largely speculated characters right now are virtual nobodies to most people. K. Rool definitely helps in this regard since he's a dinosaur in his own right, but for now I'm inclined to think hes the exception, not the rule.

I really want everyone's expectations for base to drop immediately, given how things are. I don't want Smash 4 to happen all over again, where the Isaac crowd went all-in even to the last minute and got crushed as a result. We need to be the first to shift towards DLC, become the forefront there, and *hope* someone hears us. If we keep going forward with most of our confidence in a basegame appearance, I'm worried we may fragment again. I'm not sure if we can recover from that nightmare a second time.

End rant and all that. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my delicious, delicious words while playing Isaac.

I know you mean well with your words, but it's not up to you, nor anyone else, to tell me how I should feel or hype when it comes to my most wanted/only wanted character in this speculation cycle. I've been all in since the game's announcement and I haven't let my spirit waver for this character. If I'm wrong and he isn't in the base game in any form, then we rally for DLC. If he's an assist trophy, then while the sting will hurt, I'll be glad to see Golden Sun at least being shown in Smash beyond two songs. It's not the end of the world whatever happens, we should be allowed to hope all we want. And if people want to fragment and give up after the base game, assuming he doesn't make it in, I say let them. Cuz regardless of what happens, I'll still be peddling my Isaac to the ends of the earth.

 

[ThoughtfulWanderer]

I hate to bring the thread down, but I think we should call it GGs for base. The biggest thing in our favor (and every other possible newcomer's favor) was the assumption we'd get an early October Direct. With that not panning out and people shifting to a Double Direct November, I think everyone's toast bar a miracle.

If it's indeed a General + Smash Direct, everyone is toast. General will most likely be a big name (presumably a Pokemon so presumably Incineroar), and the Smash will be focused on Spirits with a few left over reveals (presumably Ken).

Characterwise, the Smash Direct can go two ways, or what I'll call 103 and 108. 103 is MAYBE one character we haven't seen yet, 108 would be an insane a-la August blowout where everyone goes crazy. 108 is the least likely.

108 requires both Corocoro to *intentionally* mislead their readers regarding the stage total at this point and for Nintendo to know how to actually be competent with generating hype near release, which they have never proven themselves remotely good at. I would NOT expect lightning to strike twice and for a 3+ character reveal extravaganza to occur because of this.

Isaac will never be General Direct material for obvious reasons. The odds of him pulling a June Ridley are low for the same reasons: he isn't big enough to carry a Direct on his own in any reasonable way. The only characters that can come close aren't even majorly speculated on right now bar Steve, who is unlikely for different reasons but still fits the bill. For better or worse, all the largely speculated characters right now are virtual nobodies to most people. K. Rool definitely helps in this regard since he's a dinosaur in his own right, but for now I'm inclined to think hes the exception, not the rule.

I really want everyone's expectations for base to drop immediately, given how things are. I don't want Smash 4 to happen all over again, where the Isaac crowd went all-in even to the last minute and got crushed as a result. We need to be the first to shift towards DLC, become the forefront there, and *hope* someone hears us. If we keep going forward with most of our confidence in a basegame appearance, I'm worried we may fragment again. I'm not sure if we can recover from that nightmare a second time.

End rant and all that. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my delicious, delicious words while playing Isaac.

A Smash direct would not just be "leftovers" like echoes. It doesn't matter how good Spirits as a mode is. People will still wonder where unique newcomers were because that's what people most care about, and the August direct proves that they're aware of that. There is absolutely no chance that there's nobody new aside from freaking Kencineroar if we have a general direct AND a Smash direct in the same month.

108 also doesn't require intentional misleading. Why can't it be that CoroCoro was fed information by Nintendo that they weren't supposed to reveal so soon? I wouldn't put it past Ninty to let that slip given that they spoiled Castlevania content before its reveal. You're basically saying that 108 is a typo, and given that it's not even typed text and this is a major reputable publication, there's no chance that kind of error happens.

The point about Nintendo being "competent with generating release hype" is just needless pessimism. It doesn't matter what they've done with Brawl and Smash 4. Ultimate is a whole different ball game and as such, it shouldn't immediately be assumed that its near-launch hype will be treated the same way. Remember that the stage select screen still has so much empty space on the bottom row.

I'm not even convinced we'll see Isaac in the base game and I'm at the ready to support him for DLC, but it's not over until it's over. I have nothing against keeping expectations in check, but trying to shut down the conversation here altogether before we even know the full game is not what we should be doing.

 

[PokiehlthePoet]

So we're not all randomly giving up? Great, glad to hear it.
So err... Isaac final smash ideas?

 

[Nazyrus]

lol this hype police and pessimistic assumptions taken as solid, are both getting out of hand now… leave that for the general discussion thread. Support thread is for supporting, not the opposite.

 

[FlawedAI]

So we're not all randomly giving up? Great, glad to hear it.
So err... Isaac final smash ideas?

I think the general consensus is Judgement, though I'd like to see Megiddo if Isaac uses the Sol Blade. (Maybe Felix echo FS?)

 

[GoodGrief741]

Off-topic saw the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate poster couple days ago. Honestly still is cool to have all these characters here. Ridley deserves to be in and feels complete with him. Hope he's in every game going forward.

Back on-topic Seems like we're getting something soon.

Look forward to it.

Ooooh, got a link?

I hate to bring the thread down, but I think we should call it GGs for base. The biggest thing in our favor (and every other possible newcomer's favor) was the assumption we'd get an early October Direct. With that not panning out and people shifting to a Double Direct November, I think everyone's toast bar a miracle.

If it's indeed a General + Smash Direct, everyone is toast. General will most likely be a big name (presumably a Pokemon so presumably Incineroar), and the Smash will be focused on Spirits with a few left over reveals (presumably Ken).

Characterwise, the Smash Direct can go two ways, or what I'll call 103 and 108. 103 is MAYBE one character we haven't seen yet, 108 would be an insane a-la August blowout where everyone goes crazy. 108 is the least likely.

108 requires both Corocoro to *intentionally* mislead their readers regarding the stage total at this point and for Nintendo to know how to actually be competent with generating hype near release, which they have never proven themselves remotely good at. I would NOT expect lightning to strike twice and for a 3+ character reveal extravaganza to occur because of this.

Isaac will never be General Direct material for obvious reasons. The odds of him pulling a June Ridley are low for the same reasons: he isn't big enough to carry a Direct on his own in any reasonable way. The only characters that can come close aren't even majorly speculated on right now bar Steve, who is unlikely for different reasons but still fits the bill. For better or worse, all the largely speculated characters right now are virtual nobodies to most people. K. Rool definitely helps in this regard since he's a dinosaur in his own right, but for now I'm inclined to think hes the exception, not the rule.

I really want everyone's expectations for base to drop immediately, given how things are. I don't want Smash 4 to happen all over again, where the Isaac crowd went all-in even to the last minute and got crushed as a result. We need to be the first to shift towards DLC, become the forefront there, and *hope* someone hears us. If we keep going forward with most of our confidence in a basegame appearance, I'm worried we may fragment again. I'm not sure if we can recover from that nightmare a second time.

End rant and all that. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my delicious, delicious words while playing Isaac.

Nah man, it makes no sense to leave us in the dark for a whole month and then only reveal 1 unique and 1 Echo. It’s still not a done deal that Incineroar or Ken are even in the game.

The last time we had to endure a whole month of radio silence we got the August direct. Isaac can’t carry a whole Direct by himself? I guess we’re also getting Dee/Geno.

And if it doesn’t materialize we won’t be crushed. I know I won’t. I’ve been in this for ten years, I don’t lose hope, I exhude it.

A Smash direct would not just be "leftovers" like echoes. It doesn't matter how good Spirits as a mode is. People will still wonder where unique newcomers were because that's what people most care about, and the August direct proves that they're aware of that. There is absolutely no chance that there's nobody new aside from freaking Kencineroar if we have a general direct AND a Smash direct in the same month.

108 also doesn't require intentional misleading. Why can't it be that CoroCoro was fed information by Nintendo that they weren't supposed to reveal so soon? I wouldn't put it past Ninty to let that slip given that they spoiled Castlevania content before its reveal. You're basically saying that 108 is a typo, and given that it's not even typed text and this is a major reputable publication, there's no chance that kind of error happens.

The point about Nintendo being "competent with generating release hype" is just needless pessimism. It doesn't matter what they've done with Brawl and Smash 4. Ultimate is a whole different ball game and as such, it shouldn't immediately be assumed that its near-launch hype will be treated the same way. Remember that the stage select screen still has so much empty space on the bottom row.

I'm not even convinced we'll see Isaac in the base game and I'm at the ready to support him for DLC, but it's not over until it's over. I have nothing against keeping expectations in check, but trying to shut down the conversation here altogether before we even know the full game is not what we should be doing.

Yeah, this. This is what I wanted to say.

So we're not all randomly giving up? Great, glad to hear it.
So err... Isaac final smash ideas?

Judgment my man.

 

[jweb23]

For those of you throwing in the towel...enjoy the general discussion thread! Me as well as everyone else who don’t easily give up will be expecting Isaac in the base until Sakurai states, “here is the final newcomer” and our Golden boy is stil MIA. Then I’ll start to think about dlc!

I just realized the acronym for “missing in action” spells Mia and that was not an intended pun!

 

[TappyBat]

either laser of death from a winged knight or chucking a sun into peoples faces. no iris cause he's prolly gonna stick to venus djinn. just a hunch. also sorry

 

[Deleted member]

We're not trying to give up, but holy crap, when all you can talk about right now is "New Final Smash for Luigi?!!"... yeah, dry spell is an understatement.

 

[PokiehlthePoet]

I think the general consensus is Judgement, though I'd like to see Megiddo if Isaac uses the Sol Blade. (Maybe Felix echo FS?)

Yeah Judgment wouldn't surprise me at all if it were chosen. Seems like a no brainer upon thinking about it...

I feel like the Gaia Blade would be a good signature weapon for Isaac arrive with. The Titan Blade animation in HD would be amazing. Sol would be good too though.

By the way, my hopes are high as hell for Isaac but Felix.... how possible is that in an honest world?

 

[FlawedAI]

Yeah Judgment wouldn't surprise me at all if it were chosen. Seems like a no brainer upon thinking about it...

I feel like the Gaia Blade would be a good signature weapon for Isaac arrive with. The Titan Blade animation in HD would be amazing. Sol would be good too though.

By the way, my hopes are high as hell for Isaac but Felix.... how possible is that in an honest world?

Well, if Sakurai realizes he's a possibility, I'd say like 50%. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he's in, but not surprised (maybe a bit disappointed) if he's not.

 

[MeatOfJustice]

It took forever, but Luigi is finally being showcased on the blog. And he will use the LM3 Poltergust for throws, just the change I wanted; so will he go back to Negative Zone or something?

 

[OpticalBlast]

I hate to bring the thread down, but I think we should call it GGs for base. The biggest thing in our favor (and every other possible newcomer's favor) was the assumption we'd get an early October Direct. With that not panning out and people shifting to a Double Direct November, I think everyone's toast bar a miracle.

Call it GG for base?

More like calling GS for base, amirite?

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

So we're not all randomly giving up? Great, glad to hear it.
So err... Isaac final smash ideas?

Judgement or Megiddo would be the obvious ones.

 

[clearandsweet]

So we're not all randomly giving up? Great, glad to hear it.

I got one tenacious golden boy for you. Curse you all for making me browse Pixiv again.

https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=26073322

stupid board not embedding right

 

[KoopaSaki]

I will not ever stop fighting for Isaac even if he does not appear in the base. We have come so far in fighting for our golden boy to fight the nintendo greats and that's a dream we as supporters must do whatever it takes to make reality. Golden Sun is a special rpg to so many people and to see its main character star in the greatest crossover in fighting game history is something we must keep fighting for. My motto is no assist trophy, I KEEP HOPING AND BELIEVING!

 

[PokiehlthePoet]

Felix probably got that knee pouch 'o his stuffed with herbs. (not a weed joke...weeds legal now...ugh)

 

[Q-Long]

... I never noticed felix's kneepouches

Cant unsee now lol

 

[THE 6r]

and are the only revealed characters that have left to be shown on the blog.

70 (known fighter total, PT and Miis both count as one) - 14(characters left to be shown) = 56 characters on the blog

56/19 (weeks since June 12, the first blog post) = about 3 characters per week

3x6(weeks until December 7, release date of game) = 18

18-1 (Luigi, who was shown of at the beginning of the week ) = 17

17-14 = 3

By my calculations (as shown above), we have at least 3 characters left on the roster that we don't know about. This could easily be more as it is possible for more than one character to be shown on the same day (Simon and K. Rool). Make of this info what you will.

 

[Confirmation]

How about no, and let us have some fun? lol
You do you, but there's no reason to give up hope entirely.

We're all on the same boat waiting for news so I see nothing wrong with being hopeful for the remaining couple of weeks before we get some info.

Hopeful is entirely respectable; I'm still hoping for Isaac like crazy. But I see quite a bit of expectation alongside that hope, and that's what has me worried.

I mean this is essentially what I said up above but I don't think there's any reason to give up hope yet. We should prepare ourselves for the eventuality, sure, and we should definitely be ready to smoothly transition over to DLC support. But no reason to just shut down all conversation/hope/speculation in the thread entirely until the Direct.

So I guess as usual I'm just taking the middle road here. I admit that the fewer Directs we have, the more our window narrows, and if the original 108 stages thing was indeed a mistake then it looks pretty grim, but we shouldn't throw all hope out the window just yet.

Pretty much same as above. Everything is fine, but expecting anything (including the Rathalos tweet, which I still think is pretty obvious) is something I think we should shy away from.

Ooooh, got a link?



Nah man, it makes no sense to leave us in the dark for a whole month and then only reveal 1 unique and 1 Echo. It’s still not a done deal that Incineroar or Ken are even in the game.

The last time we had to endure a whole month of radio silence we got the August direct. Isaac can’t carry a whole Direct by himself? I guess we’re also getting Dee/Geno.

And if it doesn’t materialize we won’t be crushed. I know I won’t. I’ve been in this for ten years, I don’t lose hope, I exhude it.



Yeah, this. This is what I wanted to say.



Judgment my man.

Isaac and Geno, man I hope. Those are my top two.

A Smash direct would not just be "leftovers" like echoes. It doesn't matter how good Spirits as a mode is. People will still wonder where unique newcomers were because that's what people most care about, and the August direct proves that they're aware of that. There is absolutely no chance that there's nobody new aside from freaking Kencineroar if we have a general direct AND a Smash direct in the same month.

108 also doesn't require intentional misleading. Why can't it be that CoroCoro was fed information by Nintendo that they weren't supposed to reveal so soon? I wouldn't put it past Ninty to let that slip given that they spoiled Castlevania content before its reveal. You're basically saying that 108 is a typo, and given that it's not even typed text and this is a major reputable publication, there's no chance that kind of error happens.

The point about Nintendo being "competent with generating release hype" is just needless pessimism. It doesn't matter what they've done with Brawl and Smash 4. Ultimate is a whole different ball game and as such, it shouldn't immediately be assumed that its near-launch hype will be treated the same way. Remember that the stage select screen still has so much empty space on the bottom row.

I'm not even convinced we'll see Isaac in the base game and I'm at the ready to support him for DLC, but it's not over until it's over. I have nothing against keeping expectations in check, but trying to shut down the conversation here altogether before we even know the full game is not what we should be doing.

Corocoro can go two ways. Either 108 is real, meaning 103 is intentionally false, or 103 is real and something went screwy. Both have solid arguments, those being it's extremely unlikely for them to screw up a graphic and it's really unlikely they'd redact info based on Nintendo's request. I seriously have no clue what going on here, but it seems funky.

I'm not trying to shut down conversation and info, I just don't want the, for lack of better way to say this, expectations of Isaac to become all-consuming.

I know you mean well with your words, but it's not up to you, nor anyone else, to tell me how I should feel or hype when it comes to my most wanted/only wanted character in this speculation cycle. I've been all in since the game's announcement and I haven't let my spirit waver for this character. If I'm wrong and he isn't in the base game in any form, then we rally for DLC. If he's an assist trophy, then while the sting will hurt, I'll be glad to see Golden Sun at least being shown in Smash beyond two songs. It's not the end of the world whatever happens, we should be allowed to hope all we want. And if people want to fragment and give up after the base game, assuming he doesn't make it in, I say let them. Cuz regardless of what happens, I'll still be peddling my Isaac to the ends of the earth.

I'm not trying to pull a PushDustin and become the hype police. I just don't want us to be 100% in on expecting Isaac when there's a very real possibility something doesn't work out. I'm still gonna show up here one way or another in two months, I just don't want the transition to be bloody if the worst happens

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

It took forever, but Luigi is finally being showcased on the blog. And he will use the LM3 Poltergust for throws, just the change I wanted; so will he go back to Negative Zone or something?

I think Luigi's new throw will probably be a toned-down version of his Final Smash, but I think they'll probably keep it the same as it was last time. It fits the fast-paced/dramatic style of the Final Smashes we've got so far, so I see no reason for them to go back to the Negative Zone (as much as I do love the Negative Zone for it's weird effects and Luigi's bizarre dance)

Either way, I'm just going to keep my hype neutral in this dry-spell. I got SoulCalibur VI recently and seeing all the creative stuff I've seen so far - Magikarp, Thanos, Sans, Roy... I might try and recreate Isaac using the Create-A-Soul. I had a go last night at making Tressa, Therion and Alfyn from Octopath Traveler since it's my current Switch obsession, but Isaac is definitely on my list of characters to make in SCVI.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Hey everyone! Droping by from the Shantae thread. I heard you guys were having a bit of a hard time at the moment, so I just wanted to throw you all my support. I know it may seem like there isn't much time and there could only be a few more character reveals, but just remember one thing: This is Sakurai we are talking about. There is no point in trying to predict what he may do as the man has made a career of surprising us with his generosity and baffling logic.

Isaac has as good a shot as anyone, and a better shot than most. Don't give up just yet until Sakurai gives us something concrete. Things like "Don't expect too many" or "Slowing things down" are relative terms and with a mad genius like Sakurai there is no telling what either mean quantifiably. Until he says "this is the final roster" anything can happen.

 

[Jupiter Ivan]

Wait, what happened here? Why the sudden shift in attitude? GGs for base? We haven’t seen the final reveals yet. So how is it GGs for base?

The sky is not falling, I assure you. Look I’m not gonna sit here and explain why you should or should not take the CoroCoro thing as fact. Or any other nonsense. I’m just gonna say one thing.

We
Don’t
Know
Everything
There
Is
To
Know

The end. It’s not over until it’s over.

And I respect the intentions of those that are trying to make us “hype responsibly”, but it’s honestly not your call.

We’re all in the same boat here. We’re all fighting against the odds in the support of a character that is objectively obscure. In Isaac’s case, we NEED to hype the **** out of him. Because if we don’t, he’ll just fall into obscurity again. None of us want that. So we have to be loud and we have to be proud. Or he’ll NEVER make it into the game. Base or DLC.

 

[Undella2]

Isaac fans: Yeah! Isaac! Go! Isaac!

Isaac fans after sitting through the same dry spell as literally everyone else who doesn't actually work at Nintendo: Yeah? Isaac? No? Well, let's just go home...

GUYS!

Don't any of you remember the Rathalos tweet, the 5 empty spaces at the bottom of the stage select screen, or the undeniable fact that Isaac is one of the most popular Nintendo characters not confirmed/disconfirmed yet?

 

[GoodGrief741]

We're not trying to give up, but holy crap, when all you can talk about right now is "New Final Smash for Luigi?!!"... yeah, dry spell is an understatement.

Wait, Luigi’s getting a new Final Smash?

 

[ThoughtfulWanderer]

Wait, Luigi’s getting a new Final Smash?

His blog post states that he uses his Poltergust for his throw(s), so it's speculated that his FS may be different. I'm not convinced of that myself, but I'm glad he's being further decloned from Mario.

 

[LuminoZero]

Being pessimistic and pleasantly surprised is no more mature than being optimistic and being disappointed.

But optimistic people are at least fun to be around.

 

[THE 6r]

Being pessimistic and pleasantly surprised is no more mature than being optimistic and being disappointed.

But optimistic people are at least fun to be around.

^This

We've got to stick together guys. We are nothing if we give up hope now.

 

[N3ON]

and are the only revealed characters that have left to be shown on the blog.

70 (known fighter total, PT and Miis both count as one) - 14(characters left to be shown) = 56 characters on the blog

56/19 (weeks since June 12, the first blog post) = about 3 characters per week

3x6(weeks until December 7, release date of game) = 18

18-1 (Luigi, who was shown of at the beginning of the week ) = 17

17-14 = 3

By my calculations (as shown above), we have at least 3 characters left on the roster that we don't know about. This could easily be more as it is possible for more than one character to be shown on the same day (Simon and K. Rool). Make of this info what you will.

Hold on, hold on. First off, there are fifteen characters left to be shown. Falco has been shown, but Robin and Bayo haven't.

Next, there are seven weeks until release, since this week counts as well. So that would leave you with 20 (21 minus Luigi) - 15 (not fourteen) characters left = 5 unrevealed characters.

But then, that still doesn't account for the fact that there are a rising amount of two-character weeks without the necessary four-character weeks to balance in out, which makes all this data unreliable at best.

 

[Delta64]

I know you mean well with your words, but it's not up to you, nor anyone else, to tell me how I should feel or hype when it comes to my most wanted/only wanted character in this speculation cycle. I've been all in since the game's announcement and I haven't let my spirit waver for this character. If I'm wrong and he isn't in the base game in any form, then we rally for DLC. If he's an assist trophy, then while the sting will hurt, I'll be glad to see Golden Sun at least being shown in Smash beyond two songs. It's not the end of the world whatever happens, we should be allowed to hope all we want. And if people want to fragment and give up after the base game, assuming he doesn't make it in, I say let them. Cuz regardless of what happens, I'll still be peddling my Isaac to the ends of the earth.

THIS.
I understand many of you here have been supporting the idea of Isaac as a playable fighter much longer than I have and if any of you want to give up I will not stop you. Just know that showing support for a character can only help their chances. When a group gathers their support, the outcry can be massive (remember )

Looking at the Smash 4 Isaac support thread there were a total of 19,190 posts over the course of 3+ years (1,225 days). Now compare that to this support thread, (currently) we have 24,913 posts in less than 2 years (583 days). There is more disscussion/support now for Isaac than there was before and I want to help keep the support going.

 

[SonicLink125]

I'm still expecting Sakurai to show off more than or equal to 5 characters in the next Smash Direct. I remember when before we got the August Direct, everyone was talking about how we're only getting one character and MAYBE an echo revealed. Comes the August Direct and what do we get? 2 newcomers and 3 echoes!

What I'm trying to say is that, "WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SAKURAI HAS IN STORE FOR US!" Despite whatever evidence we have that may tells us how many characters there are left, we honestly have no clue and Sakurai is going to surprise us again. I'm sure of it. If not, oh well, I'm having fun anyways with you guys! Best thread I've ever been in!

 

[Delta64]

What I'm trying to say is that, "WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SAKURAI HAS IN STORE FOR US!"

Predicting Sakurai has always been difficult (especially without real leaks). I remember seeing many people say that Rayman was easily a third party playable character for Smash 4 (Nintendo & Ubisoft's relationship was really strong at the time). Sometimes when people think they have it figured out, Sakurai throws the curve ball.

 

[TheSpaceKing12]

and are the only revealed characters that have left to be shown on the blog.

70 (known fighter total, PT and Miis both count as one) - 14(characters left to be shown) = 56 characters on the blog

56/19 (weeks since June 12, the first blog post) = about 3 characters per week

3x6(weeks until December 7, release date of game) = 18

18-1 (Luigi, who was shown of at the beginning of the week ) = 17

17-14 = 3

By my calculations (as shown above), we have at least 3 characters left on the roster that we don't know about. This could easily be more as it is possible for more than one character to be shown on the same day (Simon and K. Rool). Make of this info what you will.

Blog theory projects 4-6. Most realistically, 5. That's the number i've stuck with for my predictions.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

THIS.
I understand many of you here have been supporting the idea of Isaac as a playable fighter much longer than I have and if any of you want to give up I will not stop you. Just know that showing support for a character can only help their chances. When a group gathers their support, the outcry can be massive (remember )

Looking at the Smash 4 Isaac support thread there were a total of 19,190 posts over the course of 3+ years (1,225 days). Now compare that to this support thread, (currently) we have 24,913 posts in less than 2 years (583 days). There is more disscussion/support now for Isaac than there was before and I want to help keep the support going.

The hope dies when we let it so I say keep our spirits up till the bitter end the flame can never die

 

[Isaac for Smash Pls]

Hey now, it's all fine and good to be hype and stay positive, but no need to be nasty to the people saying we should keep our expectations in line, either. Both perspectives are equally valid. I still think Isaac is in the base game but I don't think we should be shutting down other perspectives or calling people who have been longtime supporters in this thread "the hype police" just because they are trying to keep their expectations measured. The truth is we just have no idea right now, and for some of us, convincing ourselves that Isaac is highly likely and then being disappointed would hurt worse than just assuming the worst and being pleasantly surprised. Both kinds of person can still be an ardent supporter and we need to embrace everyone's perspective with open arms.

Personally I'm going to keep believing he's in the game right until Sakurai shows us the final piece of DLC, but if it helps people to start coming to grips with the possibility now, then I think that's a healthy thing. This game is going to be amazing no matter what, so at the very least I hope people are finding other things to look forward to anyway.

As for Isaac's Final Smash, I always thought Judgment was the obvious choice, didn't really occur to me that it could be anything else. As for the stage, Venus Lighthouse equally seems like the most iconic pick but I can see it being Sol Sanctum or maybe an airship tour of Weyard.

EDIT: I do apologize if I'm coming off as overly sanctimonious or holier-than-thou. I just think it's been a really tough few months for our group and we should try to be as inclusive of everyone as we can going into the final stretch.