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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

TempestSurge

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Well, that was an interesting 3 or so pages to read through, anyways back to our Golden boy Isaac. (I love how my phone now auto corrects “Golden” to always be capitalized now!) lol

Personally for me Isaac is 100% playable until proven otherwise by none of those five hidden stages being Golden Sun related! I’ve already stated how it makes no sense to hide them unless they are directly related to newcomers or the hidden mode.

As has been stated by many, most of us are still very confident in Isaac’s inclusion. I completely understand if some might have lost a bit of hope but to those I simply say to not only remember the 5 more stages but also the new trademark back in August that covered all possible forms of DLC. Clearly something Golden Sun is coming!
Yeah among other things, the five unknown stages is always the thing I keep in mind whenever discussion starts cycling back to Incineroar and Ken being the last two characters. I don't see why Sakurai would have a segment dedicated to stages with an official count, and he reveals all but five, unless they'd be obvious spoilers to some unrevealed newcomers.

Heck I don't even see how a ballot with almost 2 million votes manages to not have a single new first party series franchise character other than Splatoon place well? Not buying that Splatoon is the only new Nintendo franchise Ultimate has to offer with the rest being third parties.

Another thing that sets Isaac apart from some of these other newcomers like BWD, Elma, Shantae, Banjo etc. is that Isaac's already been a part of Smash in the form of an assist trophy. So while some characters have to wait for the unveiling of the last trailers, Isaac has an asset that could have easily deconfirmed him a long time ago, so why drag it out? Isabelle, Dark Samus, and Chrom have gotten their payoff from being previous assets being suspiciously hidden/missing and ended up playable in the end.
 

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Greninja was posted on X and Y's anniversary.

Soooooo, nothing special.
Ok my bad i didnt even saw that for the FIRST time the french website shares the Memory of Greninja ! So yeah it doesn't affect our chances like the WFT leak too
 

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Ok my bad i didnt even saw that for the FIRST time the french website shares the Memory of Greninja ! So yeah it doesn't affect our chances like the WFT leak too
Yeah. Unlike Sakurai, the blog seems to have some level of predictablity.
 

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Yup and there is no too much characters left, so it could be easy to guess who is gonna be revealed soon or not
 

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Everyone's gotta have their meltdowns at some point, even the Isaac fans. That's a given when you're in any fandom.

Anyways, just a random thought, but I could see Isaac owning a journal and recording all his adventures in the world of Smash. You know? His everyday life with the other fighters and his own personal opinions on each of them.

I actually co-wrote a fanfic where Dark Pit owned a journal about his daily life in Smash. I should do that for Isaac when he gets in.
I believe we all need to vent and let out what we think sometimes, even leakers who get attacked and asked so frequently it gets irritating. Despite the bad attitude of some. If you become a leaker, you should know what you are signing up for. Even though we derail the thread sometimes, I think by talking about it and getting it out of the way is a good way to keep other conversations like these from derailing the thread in the future. As long as we are talking about Golden Sun, Isaac or Smash related and the things surrounding it than we should be okay.

Sorry, Moderators. We are just consumed by our passion, the need to debate and our own thoughts that sometimes we need to share it. Let's try to have some fun and stay focused on the related things for this thread. Stay positive, folks! Our chances have not been dying, but the chances of other things are only getting bigger in comparison.

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Someone made fanart of Isaac with our fellow bro Lloyd. Been waiting for something like this
Man, this is so bro!! I love it! Lloyd and Isaac bros united!

So anyone interested in critiquing my old moveset idea?
:GCA::GCA::GCA:-Downward slash, the double forward-moving slash
:GCU:+:GCA:- Casts a weak , small rock projectile with no knockback that lasts for a short while
:GCR:+:GCA:-Uses Punji, casting a bamboo that sprouts from the ground.
:GCD:+:GCA:-Uses Growth to cast grass which sprouts from below Isaac
:GCCU:+:GCA:-Gaia. A shower of Venus energy and boulders rain closely upon the enemy.
:GCCR:+:GCA:-Thorn. A field of spiked vines sprout out from the ground in front of Isaac. Does not deal much knockback and lasts for a few moments. It does not hurt Isaac, meaning he can use Thorn as a temporary over.
:GCCD:+:GCA:-Spire.A stalagmite is cast twice. Where the direction held is down-right or down left during these two castings determines where the Spires is casts from, whether it is directly in front of Isaac or behind for for the two castinsg. Thing something sorta like Lucas's Down-Smash.
Aerial:GCA:- Cast a rock wall in front of him.
Aerial+:GCR:+:GCA:- Halt. Temporarily stops an opponent mid-movement, stunning them and letting them fall down for a brief movement in an helpless state
Aerial+:GCD:+:GCA:-Pound. Casts a magical giant hand that pounds the opponent below Isaac. Can be used to spike enemies.
Aerial+:GCL:+:GCA:-Force. Has good knockback. It involves casting a giant magical fists that leaves after-images behind it
Aerial+:GCU:+:GCA:-Upwards kick followed by Isaac casting thorny vines above him
:GCZ:+:GCZ:-Sends out a Magical Giant hand after opponent to grab them. Has great range. The pummel would be the Hand crushing the opponent multiple times
:GCZ:+:GCR:-Front-Slap. Slaps off the opponent, knocking them off forwards.
:GCZ:+:GCU:-Catch-The Hand throws the opponent upwards
:GCZ:+:GCD:-Pound. The Hand just crushes the opponent on the stage with a flat hand. Causes the opponent to bounce.
:GCZ:+:GCL:-Back-Slap-Same as Front-Slap except of course, done backwards.

Special Moves
:GCB:-Move- works similar to how it did in Brawl, except much smaller, dealing damage and with far less knockback. However, it does have several expanded abilities such as the ability to grab and throw opponents in mid-air.Press :GCB: once to activate Move. Whilst it is still active, press:GCB: before it disappears in order to grab the opponent. If successful, one has a short period of time to control the Hand whilst still holding:GCB: before being forced to throw them. One can throw them in any different direction.

:GCR:+:GCB:-Great Wall-Chargeable move. The level of charge that is held determines the distance in which Isaac creates the wall from him as well as its power in terms of damage dealt and knockback given. Great for immediately stopping all momentum of the opponent if they end up in contact with it, as they end up stunned and any damage would be absorbed by the wall. A key move in limiting offensive approach

:GCU:+:GCB:-Wild Growth- A great, thick tangle of vines ends up sprouting from a yellow portal made out of Venus energy. Very useful anti-air attack and the primary recovery method that Isaac would use. After Wild Growth stops, Isaac can the climb the vine in order to gain ground. Does not cause helpless state. Can still attack whilst climbing, however, Isaac can only attack with his sword with the:GCA: button. Another key anti-air move due to its great reach. Useful for attacking opponents directly above you.

:GCD:+:GCB:-Quake- The floor that Isaac is on ends up shaking. Opponents that are on the floor or in close proximity are send upwards, bouncing three times before being knocked up upwards

Final Smash

Judgement


As for his gameplay, I expect Isaac's gameplay to be based around anti-air zoning and ground dominance by limiting offensive approaches, heavily relying on his magical hand and his other techniques to bring the opponent down to earth. Whilst he'll be more of a grounded character, I don't expect that he will be heavily relying on mobility as it would be below-average. Rather, he stands his ground and uses techniques such as Quake, Rockfall, Spires and Growth to control and dominate on his own terms.
I really love this! It's keeps Isaac to his core by using mostly Venus Psynergy with little sword attacks. As well as the Anti-Zoning while being a combo of tactical character. I think it fits.
 
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What do you think about the "GreninjaW leak which is very similar to the WFT leak?
It was discussed before it happened. Someone in this very thread saw the "leak" and stated flat out that Greninja was pretty likely because it was the X and Y anniversary. Both website leaks that happened this week did not predict the less predictable reveals in the middle of the week.
 

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Don't trust "leakers" who use as proof them predicting blog updates unless they come from the future.
 

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Found on 4chan in the middle of nowhere. I don't even know what's this account for, just counting things but...why this one?
 
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Found on 4chan in the middle of nowhere. I don't even know what's this account for, just counting things but...why this one?
Expecting something soon anyway due to playlist update.

Edit: not mark as unconfirm on the website, weird.
 
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There was a problem fetching the tweet

Found on 4chan in the middle of nowhere. I don't even know what's this account for, just counting things but...why this one?
Huh?!? That's weird! I'm just going to go ahead and say it's fake until Nintendo officially announces it. Funny that this didn't even phase me at all. What a weird state we're in. Lol
 

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Alright, here it is.
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I tried to go a different route than most leaks
 

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Just saying Hi ! I guess I didn't miss anything major ? The news are very quiet since Isabelle's reveal it seems. Sadly I don't have time anymore to chat on here, got to work like crazy. :drshrug:
 

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For Isaac to hit the mainstream, BillyBoe10K's dream of 1 million subscribers needs to come true. Then he needs to throw his one million subs at Isaac. Then he'd top any fan poll in the universe. lmao.
i did my part i'm subbed. all for bestest shadow birdie. tokoyami is awesome! ^_^
Ah, this truly is the best plan :p

I won't go into any detail on what the heckie happened while I was sleep on the thread, but it felt like a lot of comments were generalizing Isaac fans and users of this thread. It didn't feel very nice to wake up to see comments that said Isaac fans need to dial it back, as if every last one of us were causing issues, when that simply wasn't the case. I wasn't even involved in the conversation, but that statement was aimed at the thread, and thus myself, which doesn't sit well with me, at all.

Just a friendly PSA that generalizing isn't fun.
 

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Ah, this truly is the best plan :p

I won't go into any detail on what the heckie happened while I was sleep on the thread, but it felt like a lot of comments were generalizing Isaac fans and users of this thread. It didn't feel very nice to wake up to see comments that said Isaac fans need to dial it back, as if every last one of us were causing issues, when that simply wasn't the case. I wasn't even involved in the conversation, but that statement was aimed at the thread, and thus myself, which doesn't sit well with me, at all.

Just a friendly PSA that generalizing isn't fun.
I think Tveye sums it up nicely in a post a few pages back. With both Ridley and K. Rool confirmed, the fanbases that received most of the insults/ridicule from the community, Isaac has now taken up that mantle to become the fanbase the community throws nonsense at about ever being playable. So understandably, it does begin to make you feel some type of way when you've come across more Isaac and Golden Sun hate in the span of a few months than you have in years, with the mindset of Isaac being a non entity and Ridley and K. Rool being the big shots that everyone targeted.

And is it just me, but I also hate how the Isaac supporters are generalized as the 'chill ones'. I mean yes, it's a compliment in itself being a large fanbase of supporters and being known as the sensible/calm headed ones. But it's also more so used as sort of jab. Like, 'Wow you guys are supposed to be chill right?' which I find annoying. Seems silly that if we're getting generalized and slandered or find certain behavior unprofessional, that we're not allowed to let out that frustration just because the fanbase has been considered as the quiet ones who never seemed to talk up until now. Honestly these two months are starting to feel like years, and ironically this is the shortest speculation to release Smash cycle to date lol.
 

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I think Tveye sums it up nicely in a post a few pages back. With both Ridley and K. Rool confirmed, the fanbases that received most of the insults/ridicule from the community, Isaac has now taken up that mantle to become the fanbase the community throws nonsense at about ever being playable. So understandably, it does begin to make you feel some type of way when you've come across more Isaac and Golden Sun hate in the span of a few months than you have in years, with the mindset of Isaac being a non entity and Ridley and K. Rool being the big shots that everyone targeted.

And is it just me, but I also hate how the Isaac supporters are generalized as the 'chill ones'. I mean yes, it's a compliment in itself being a large fanbase of supporters and being known as the sensible/calm headed ones. But it's also more so used as sort of jab. Like, 'Wow you guys are supposed to be chill right?' which I find annoying. Seems silly that if we're getting generalized and slandered or find certain behavior unprofessional, that we're not allowed to let out that frustration just because the fanbase has been considered as the quiet ones who never seemed to talk up until now. Honestly these two months are starting to feel like years, and ironically this is the shortest speculation to release Smash cycle to date lol.
After all these years, I never thought we would become the new Ridley/K. Rool. That’s an achievement in and of itself.

To be honest, I don’t mind being characterized as the chill guys. Being chill is certainly a rare attribute on the internet, and I find that it’s a pretty accurate description of us (except Xeno, Xeno don’t chill). Plus, it’s better than the stereotypes that have been made of Waluigi fans or Krystal fans or Ashley fans, so I’ll take it.
 

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After all these years, I never thought we would become the new Ridley/K. Rool. That’s an achievement in and of itself.

To be honest, I don’t mind being characterized as the chill guys. Being chill is certainly a rare attribute on the internet, and I find that it’s a pretty accurate description of us (except Xeno, Xeno don’t chill). Plus, it’s better than the stereotypes that have been made of Waluigi fans or Krystal fans or Ashley fans, so I’ll take it.
You forget mew2ds on GameFAQs, who hasn’t a raging hate-boner against Isabelle for being revealed in September instead of Isaac. He is definitely not chill.
 
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After all these years, I never thought we would become the new Ridley/K. Rool. That’s an achievement in and of itself.

To be honest, I don’t mind being characterized as the chill guys. Being chill is certainly a rare attribute on the internet, and I find that it’s a pretty accurate description of us (except Xeno, Xeno don’t chill). Plus, it’s better than the stereotypes that have been made of Waluigi fans or Krystal fans or Ashley fans, so I’ll take it.
I'm generally not chill, and I'm usually ****ing proud of it.

But I don't feel my behavior and attitude towards Verge has done much good to us. :/ I think the community views this thread like the overreactive ones, but in actuality, it's just me who's flaming Verge because I'm not a fan of how he presents himself to the community. (and somewhat Incenroar, but that's just because I've never really enjoyed using him in the Gen 7 games. But that's just me and a few others. Truth is the Isaac thread does have a huge gap when it comes to the opinion of that Pokémon.)

In the end, it kinda felt pointless what I did. But I didn't want his defense of Golden Sun to blind our judgement.

Because if we did, I'd feel guilty overlooking these incidents that he's done.

(Anyways, that's my take on it. I'm feeling awful about. Bleh.)
 
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I'm generally not chill, and I'm usually ****ing proud of it.

But I don't feel my behavior and attitude towards Verge has done much good to us. :/ I think the community views this thread like the overreactive ones, but in actuality, it's just me who's flaming Verge because I'm not a fan of how he presents himself to the community. (and somewhat Incenroar, but that's just because I've never really enjoyed using him in the Gen 7 games. But that's just me and a few others. Truth is the Isaac thread does have a huge gap when it comes to the opinion of that Pokémon.)

In the end, it kinda felt pointless what I did. But I didn't want his defense of Golden Sun to blind our judgement.

Because if we did, I'd feel guilty overlooking these incidents that he's done.

(Anyways, that's my take on it. I'm feeling awful about. Bleh.)
Vergeben has been an awful guy, don’t feel bad for pointing it out.
 

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I'm generally not chill, and I'm usually ****ing proud of it.

But I don't feel my behavior and attitude towards Verge has done much good to us. :/ I think the community views this thread like the overreactive ones, but in actuality, it's just me who's flaming Verge because I'm not a fan of how he presents himself to the community. (and somewhat Incenroar, but that's just because I've never really enjoyed using him in the Gen 7 games. But that's just me and a few others. Truth is the Isaac thread does have a huge gap when it comes to the opinion of that Pokémon.)

In the end, it kinda felt pointless what I did. But I didn't want his defense of Golden Sun to blind our judgement.

Because if we did, I'd feel guilty overlooking these incidents that he's done.

(Anyways, that's my take on it. I'm feeling awful about. Bleh.)
I do think people who judge us as overreactive Verge haters really need to read through some of the pages on this thread to get a sense of what we actually discuss. The majority of these 500+ pages are full of Isaac support (and 50 cent memes), not Verge/Incineroar hate.
 

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Just had an interesting thought. It would be pretty funny if the "Chair Theory" was actually referring to Isaac, Felix, Shantae, and Shadow and/or Ken. Why:
Isaac = Yellow Chair (Scarf)
Shantae = Purple Chair (Hair)
Felix = Green Couch (Outfit)
Ken/Shadow = Red Pillows

Definitely a stretch, I know and Skull Kid makes way more sense. But it would be funny.
 

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Vergeben has been an awful guy, don’t feel bad for pointing it out.
It felt kinda odd that Smashburb would say that it would be beneficial to us. But how would it be benefitical to us critizing a guy who has given Isaac a good amount of defense at that point?

I was really nervous because that would mean going against the fanbase of Vergeben himself. On this forum we had the image of a chill fanbase (even though it's not even the first time we've done this.)

But in the end, I chose to go with my morals.

I do think people who judge us as overreactive Verge haters really need to read through some of the pages on this thread to get a sense of what we actually discuss. The majority of these 500+ pages are full of Isaac support (and 50 cent memes), not Verge/Incineroar hate.
We have tons of pages about Isaac and 50 Cent.

We're not a chill place exactly. But we at least have a more open-ended forum to post and discuss our opinions without much negativity surrounding us about his chances (most of the time.)
 
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I don’t count people on GameFAQs, nobody’s chill there.
Honestly, what happens on other forums (4Chan, GameFAQs, ect.) does not concern me (even if it is Smash/Isaac discussion/leaks). That is why, I don't care about Verge and how people treat him (that has nothing to do with me and has nothing to do with this thread's topic). I joined this thread to support Isaac, not condemn people. I only care about information provided from official sources (Nintendo and Sakurai).
 

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Found on 4chan in the middle of nowhere. I don't even know what's this account for, just counting things but...why this one?
Probably just trying to wind people up because we're expecting a reveal soon anyway.

It did occur to me that we could get an announcement next week though. For the two previous announcements the character trailer channel got updated 10 days beforehand right? Of course with no reveal this week that didn't turn out to be true.

Unless they had a specific time that they were uploading the new character trailers and the upcoming reveal was pushed back a week because the previous reveal (Isabelle) was pushed back a week.

That said I'd be really surprised if we didn't get some sort of announcement this month considering the character trailer list was updated recently. I doubt they'd do something like that a month in advance.
 
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Honestly, what happens on other forums (4Chan, GameFAQs, ect.) does not concern me (even if it is Smash/Isaac discussion/leaks). That is why, I don't care about Verge and how people treat him (that has nothing to do with me and has nothing to do with this thread's topic). I joined this thread to support Isaac, not condemn people. I only care about information provided from official sources (Nintendo and Sakurai).
And that's the beauty of this thread isn't it? To have a thread with multiple different people with different viewpoints on what they consider "valuable" info when it comes to Isaac is always fascinating to me because I usually see different perspectives that are all drastically different in their own way.

And yet, unlike other forums like GameFAQS, a majority of the thread seem to want to keep their cool with each other. Which is a quality I can appreciate.
 

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I'm generally not chill, and I'm usually ****ing proud of it.

But I don't feel my behavior and attitude towards Verge has done much good to us. :/ I think the community views this thread like the overreactive ones, but in actuality, it's just me who's flaming Verge because I'm not a fan of how he presents himself to the community. (and somewhat Incenroar, but that's just because I've never really enjoyed using him in the Gen 7 games. But that's just me and a few others. Truth is the Isaac thread does have a huge gap when it comes to the opinion of that Pokémon.)

In the end, it kinda felt pointless what I did. But I didn't want his defense of Golden Sun to blind our judgement.

Because if we did, I'd feel guilty overlooking these incidents that he's done.

(Anyways, that's my take on it. I'm feeling awful about. Bleh.)
Don't worry so much, Xeno. One person should not always be the representation that people paint of the whole group, but I am sure you are not the only one that feels that way towards Verge. Not too mention that with people looking in on the outside of this thread, really wouldn't understand about how we felt unless they were here in the beginning. You are the hot head of the Isaac thread and you have a different perspective compared to most of us. We always have that type of hot heads in every group and that's not to say that you aren't chill. There is nothing wrong with being the way you are, as long as you are in control and not letting it get too out of hand.

I think it would be hilarious if we got Primarina instead of Incineroar. I agree to the fact that just because he defends Golden Sun doesn't mean that he will be right in the end. At least he has pointed it out to show that even a shelved series can get a chance that it deserves.

News just in! Isaac wrecks chances with falling rocks!!
 
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And that's the beauty of this thread isn't it? To have a thread with multiple different people with different viewpoints on what they consider "valuable" info when it comes to Isaac is always fascinating to me because I usually see different perspectives that are all drastically different in their own way.

And yet, unlike other forums like GameFAQS, a majority of the thread seem to want to keep their cool with each other. Which is a quality I can appreciate.
Yeah, if people on this thread want to talk about Verge or whatever they can (if the mods allow it of course), I was just expressing the fact that I do not have any strong opinion on "leaks" or other unofficial information. This thread has seen multiple topics and I doubt we could ever have this many pages if we were always on topic. There are only so many times we can say "I think Isaac should be playable" before we start looking elsewhere discussion topics.
 

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Yeah, if people on this thread want to talk about Verge or whatever they can (if the mods allow it of course), I was just expressing the fact that I do not have any strong opinion on "leaks" or other unofficial information. This thread has seen multiple topics and I doubt we could ever have this many pages if we were always on topic. There are only so many times we can say "I think Isaac should be playable" before we start looking elsewhere discussion topics.
Yeah, the variety of our topics defintely helped with the growth of this thread.
 

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I wonder if other big threads were like this too. As in, frequently going off topic. You don’t get to so many posts just by talking about one thing, right? You run out of things eventually.
 

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I think it would be hilarious if we got Primarina instead of Incineroar. I agree to the fact that just because he defends Golden Sun doesn't mean that he will be right in the end. At least he has pointed it out to show that even a shelved series can get a chance that it deserves.
Oh man if primarina got in I'd imagine there would be a lot more hate than what we see for incineroar lol
 
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