Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[Delta64]

Of course different people find certain characters more hype. Yet Shulk was a new franchise at least. Incineroar would just be the expected Pokemon quota from the recent Gen of starters and Splatoon is still the only new Nintendo franchise. So it'd just be incredibly disappointing.

Yeah, I know preferences are different between people, it was just comparing popularity (at the time Xenoblade was not as popular as it is now, it only had one game and Shulk in Smash helped promote the series). I also think that we will get at least one more series before release in the base game. Even though I am a Pokemon fan Incineroar would be disappointing.

Speaking of Incineroar, he would be the 2nd tallest Pokemon to be in Smash (Mewtwo is 1st even though in smash he has a similar size to Lucario). His body structure kind of reminds me of Ridley without wings (Big size, lanky limbs, has claws and tail).

 

[jweb23]

Well...let me put my tinfoil hat on for a moment to talk conspiracy theory lol.

Lets assume Ken and Incineroar are in fact the final two characters. That thought combined with pretty much no reasoning for Nintendo's online service being delayed for over a year leads me to believe that some newcomers had to get "cut" (cut meaning they are gonna be the first wave of dlc) so Smash Ultimate didn't get delayed.

If you really think about it the online service is still missing a few features they claimed it would have back when they announced it during the Switch reveal such of online leaderboards, unless I've managed to miss that somehow. The Online Service didn't get anything new whatsoever even though it got delayed for a year so why is it suddenly releasing now??? Because a new Smash game gives people a reason to buy it! I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo begged Sakurai to have the game come out this year because they knew they couldn't delay the online service any longer which would force their team to prioritize the newcomers for the base game with the remaining planned characters being the first dlc.

Of course this is just a silly thought I had. Personally I highly doubt Ken and Incineroar are all that's left because knowing Sakurai I just can't imagine him and his team planning only 6 newcomers. People like to point at him saying don't expect too many newcomers but he also said that after the announcement of Smash 4 and we got 15 base roster newcomers. Things just don't add up.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Golden Sun has such vast cities with differing cultures that would be wonderful to expand upon and explore. The Xenoblade team would be immense in helping bring side quests to the forefront. It would also help to expand and deepen the complexity of the cast. Let us explore their backgrounds, see them at their weakest, push them to their breaking points where their own ideals and morality clash in a scenario where only one can thrive.

In essence. Current day Final Fantasy has proven it no longer deserves the throne it sits upon as RPG King. Golden Sun is the young blood that only needs Nintendo to recognize its full potential to claim the throne and become the new king of Traditional RPGs.

And together may the Nintendo RPG houses claim victory over the rest:

Fire Emblem on the Throne of Turn Based Tactical RPGs

Pokemon on the Throne of Monster Capture RPGs

Xenoblade on the Throne of Real Time Action RPGs

Golden Sun on the Throne of Traditional RPGs

Edit: I want Nintendo to start treating their lesser known IPs/Franchises as seriously as they do Mario, Zelda and Pokemon. I want all of Nintendo's family to dominate.

You sir, you absolutely get it!

I am also tired of Nintendo's lack of ambition in pushing their dominance of their "lesser" franchises. For example, they could easily dominate the area of platforming MORE if they give DK the same love as Mario every once in a while (like, every other year or so). Star Fox has potential, F-Zero has potential, Punch-Out has potential, Metroid has crazy potential... And most of all Golden Sun indeed. It has the very makings of a

 

[Gurein]

Alright who's that twitter guy and why should even give him the time of day? I've seen the DLC at game awards thingy in other ""leaks"" before, complete nonsense.

 

[Delta64]

Of course this is just a silly thought I had. Personally I highly doubt Ken and Incineroar are all that's left because knowing Sakurai I just can't imagine him and his team planning only 6 newcomers. People like to point at him saying don't expect too many newcomers but he also said that after the announcement of Smash 4 and we got 15 base roster newcomers. Things just don't add up.

The difference between Smash 4 and Ultimate though is the fact that "Everyone is here". With every character returning, it seems like there is a more legitimate reason for the not too many newcomers statement, which I think is what is scaring people.

I also highly doubt Ken and Incineroar are the only ones left to be revealed. Imagine a Smash direct with one unique character from a series with plenty representation and one echo fighter. Then try comparing that to the august smash direct. Unless you are a huge fan of Pokemon and Street Fighter, I don't think you could see this smash direct being better than (or even on par with) the August smash direct. 2 unique characters and 3 echos vs. 1 unique character and 1 echo.
Edit: I don't think the next Smash direct has to be as good or better (although it could) but, if that is all the characters they have to show then it shouldn't even be close to how good the August direct was or E3 for that matter.

 

[THE 6r]

The difference between Smash 4 and Ultimate though is the fact that "Everyone is here". With every character returning, it seems like there is a more legitimate reason for the not too many newcomers statement, which I think is what is scaring people.

I also highly doubt Ken and Incineroar are the only ones left to be revealed. Imagine a Smash direct with one unique character from a series with plenty representation and one echo fighter. Then try comparing that to the august smash direct. Unless you are a huge fan of Pokemon and Street Fighter, I don't think you could see this smash direct being better than (or even on par with) the August smash direct. 2 unique characters and 3 echos vs. 1 unique character and 1 echo.
Edit: I don't think the next Smash direct has to be as good or better (although it could) but, if that is all the characters they have to show then it shouldn't even be close to how good the August direct was or E3 for that matter.

The last direct could be a static image of a single potato chip and people would still buy the game. However, knowing Sakurai, he's the type of guy who continues to defy your expectations of him. That's what makes speculation a thing: Sakurai is the most unpredictable man in the world. Expecting only Ken and Incineroar would be insane at this point. Besides, Verge. has already shown to not know everything, so in truth, nobody outside of Nintendo truly knows the final roster of this game.

 

[TempestSurge]

Well, there's also the fact that it'd seem funny for Sakurai to come out and talk about slowing down the pace of reveals and the very next month reveal both final two characters of the roster lol.

 

[Delta64]

The last direct could be a static image of a single potato chip and people would still buy the game. However, knowing Sakurai, he's the type of guy who continues to defy your expectations of him. That's what makes speculation a thing: Sakurai is the most unpredictable man in the world. Expecting only Ken and Incineroar would be insane at this point. Besides, Verge. has already shown to not know everything, so in truth, nobody outside of Nintendo truly knows the final roster of this game.

Then everyone would lose their mind trying to determine the meaning of the potato chip.

Sakurai pretty much confirmed there would be another smash direct when he teased that mode (spirits) in the August direct. It will have to have its own section too (think back to the Smash 4 direct in April where Sakurai described Smash Run). Sakurai knows more than anyone, that playable characters are the thing that get people the most excited for a smash game. So when they announce a Smash direct, people will have the expectation that there will be character reveals (more than just Ken and Incineroar). When Sakurai said they were slowing down the pace of reveals (or whatever the exact quote was), I think that may have been his way of saying to be patient for the next reveals.

 

[Xenigma]

I just refuse to believe that, assuming there is a second Smash Direct, they would only reveal one unique newcomer and one echo when the previous one had two unique newcomers and three echoes. Seriously, what kind of planning is that? Why wouldn't they just save Dark Samus or Chrom for the second Direct if that was the case? That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

 

[QcSlayer]

The 2 newcomers left is bs, terrible marketing.

Beside it's the ULTIMATE GAME, every big name from 2015 are here as playable or AT/Boss, except Isaac, **** that guy, not playable nor in the game.

Can't wait for when the comunity will be surprise by is reveal even if he is the character most hint at. The reason why he is missing from leaks most of the time is because 99.999999% of those are made by the community, or people who wants to help LaxChris bring food on his table.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Edit: I want Nintendo to start treating their lesser known IPs/Franchises as seriously as they do Mario, Zelda and Pokemon. I want all of Nintendo's family to dominate.

What sucks is that Nintendo seems to have no confidence in the brand of their characters. You don't see them putting advertisements out there like they did for awakening. It's aggravating to me that they think these franchises flopped because people weren't interested in them. No what killed these franchises is a 1. Mediocre entry. 2. Bad or rare advertisements.

This just frustrates me to no end, because of how long they have put these franchises on hiatus, that it's lowered the confidence of the fans.

(i.e. me.)

We have no impact on base game characters at the given time, so there isn't any "giving up" cause we have no impact outside of DLC atm

Only thing we can do is sit here and chat lol

What i was trying to say is that we shouldn't let the cries of Verge's defenders determine who's last and final.

 

[TempestSurge]

What sucks is that Nintendo seems to have no confidence in the brand of their characters. You don't see them putting advertisements out there like they did for awakening. It's aggravating to me that they think these franchises flopped because people weren't interested in them. No what killed these franchises is a 1. Mediocre entry. 2. Bad or rare advertisements.

This just frustrates me to no end, because of how long they have put these franchises on hiatus, that it's lowered the confidence of the fans.

(i.e. me.)




What i was trying to say is that we shouldn't let the cries of Verge's defenders determine who's last and final.

Everyone's just reiterating the same characters Verge has mentioned, most of the time it's in tangent with the Box Theory so the Square rep rarely gets brought up despite it also being a claim of Verge.

Also interesting how things like the remaining stages and assist trophies are still under wraps and not known by these leakers, yet somehow all the playable characters are just a list of names on a desk or something lol.

 

[Xenigma]

Also interesting how things like the remaining stages and assist trophies are still under wraps and not known by these leakers, yet somehow all the playable characters are just a list of names on a desk or something lol.

Not sure exactly how development at Nintendo works, but assuming most leaks are coming from localization or QA I'd imagine the characters are by far the most visible/memorable aspects of the game. By comparison, with the hilarious number of stages it seems easy to just not notice/care about any new ones, and ATs are randomized so I'd imagine those are mostly only known by the people specifically working on them.

 

[Metocles]

Everyone's just reiterating the same characters Verge has mentioned, most of the time it's in tangent with the Box Theory so the Square rep rarely gets brought up despite it also being a claim of Verge.

Also interesting how things like the remaining stages and assist trophies are still under wraps and not known by these leakers, yet somehow all the playable characters are just a list of names on a desk or something lol.

Basically this. A lot of the legitimate leaks tell us something more than just characters. I remember a Brawl leak back in the day that told of the Dragoon parts along with the characters that they leaked plus a few other things. It's the same reason Richter is a big roadblock to any leaking occurring prior to the Smash Direct. It makes very little sense that you know limited information regarding a few standalone characters and nothing else. That's not to say it can't happen, but it raises too many flags nonetheless.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Not sure exactly how development at Nintendo works, but assuming most leaks are coming from localization or QA I'd imagine the characters are by far the most visible/memorable aspects of the game. By comparison, with the hilarious number of stages it seems easy to just not notice/care about any new ones, and ATs are randomized so I'd imagine those are mostly only known by the people specifically working on them.

If you’re gonna leak, I assume you’re gonna leak anything you can. I can’t really imagine a leaker going ‘oh yeah, New Los Angeles is a stage, but nobody cares about those, so I’ll keep my mouth shut’. You leak anything you can, then if it comes true it gives you more legitimacy.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

You sir, you absolutely get it!

I am also tired of Nintendo's lack of ambition in pushing their dominance of their "lesser" franchises. For example, they could easily dominate the area of platforming MORE if they give DK the same love as Mario every once in a while (like, every other year or so). Star Fox has potential, F-Zero has potential, Punch-Out has potential, Metroid has crazy potential... And most of all Golden Sun indeed. It has the very makings of a

That is what I mean. Nintendo building Donkey Kong alongside Mario is not detrimental to either because they are entirely two different platforming games. Having Donkey Kong perform well alongside Mario would keep Nintendo's platforming genre from getting stagnate as it would not rely on just one franchise. It would also broaden the audience due to how different the games play.

It is like how F-Zero, Wave Race and the Excite series differ from each other. They are all racing games but bring something different to the table. Let them build up alongside each other and become giants on Nintendo's racing series that are not kart racers.

Speaking of which, this generation of gaming is primed for a horror game like Eternal Darkness. Resident Evil and Silent Hill, both games that originally had similar controls to Eternal Darkness, are trying to return to form after the drop in quality and horrible Developer handling of the franchises. If Nintendo is able to bring back Eternal Darkness then they can capitalize on the traditional horror game market with no trouble.

As of now, all I am seeing are key opportunities in the video game market being glossed over where Nintendo can cement their lesser known franchises.

 

[Xenigma]

If you’re gonna leak, I assume you’re gonna leak anything you can. I can’t really imagine a leaker going ‘oh yeah, New Los Angeles is a stage, but nobody cares about those, so I’ll keep my mouth shut’. You leak anything you can, then if it comes true it gives you more legitimacy.

Sure, if you know about such things you should mention them to build extra credibility. I'm simply saying that it makes sense that the first thing someone is liable to look for or otherwise notice are the playable characters, considering that's the primary draw of the game and likely the most memorable thing you'd see. I mean, if I had a development build of the game, the first thing I'd be doing is getting to the character selection screen as quickly as I could and seeing if Isaac or anyone else particularly interesting was there. Past that I may take a closer look at the stage list, see what modes are available, etc.

That said, if a leaker really wants to be taken seriously, they ought to divulge something about that hidden mode. Confirm the name, give basic details on how it works, mention any specific encounters or mechanics they saw. If they really have insider information, it would be strange to not know anything about the second most notable addition to the game behind the newcomers themselves.

 

[FlawedAI]

Yeah, I'm in support of Nintendo developing their lesser known IPs. Golden Sun, F-Zero, Eternal Darkness, Excite, Wave Race, Custom Robo, all belong in specific genres that are not currently covered by the IPs currently being put out by Nintendo.

Sure, if you know about such things you should mention them to build extra credibility. I'm simply saying that it makes sense that the first thing someone is liable to look for or otherwise notice are the playable characters, considering that's the primary draw of the game and likely the most memorable thing you'd see. I mean, if I had a development build of the game, the first thing I'd be doing is getting to the character selection screen as quickly as I could and seeing if Isaac or anyone else particularly interesting was there. Past that I may take a closer look at the stage list, see what modes are available, etc.

That said, if a leaker really wants to be taken seriously, they ought to divulge something about that hidden mode. Confirm the name, give basic details on how it works, mention any specific encounters or mechanics they saw. If they really have insider information, it would be strange to not know anything about the second most notable addition to the game behind the newcomers themselves.

Yeah, it seems strange how all these "leakers" can only find out about new characters but literally nothing else, like maybe a text-heavy "story mode" that would require localization (if that is where these leaks are coming from), or Assist Trophies, or stages, or literally anything else?

 

[Q-Long]

whats your guesses for tomorrow

i say item

 

[Confirmation]

The difference between Smash 4 and Ultimate though is the fact that "Everyone is here". With every character returning, it seems like there is a more legitimate reason for the not too many newcomers statement, which I think is what is scaring people.

I also highly doubt Ken and Incineroar are the only ones left to be revealed. Imagine a Smash direct with one unique character from a series with plenty representation and one echo fighter. Then try comparing that to the august smash direct. Unless you are a huge fan of Pokemon and Street Fighter, I don't think you could see this smash direct being better than (or even on par with) the August smash direct. 2 unique characters and 3 echos vs. 1 unique character and 1 echo.
Edit: I don't think the next Smash direct has to be as good or better (although it could) but, if that is all the characters they have to show then it shouldn't even be close to how good the August direct was or E3 for that matter.

I'm a huge fan of Pokemon. I think Incineroar is great.

There's literally no way Incineroar and an echo can solo carry a Direct. Unless they used them as afterthoughts to a Spirits reveal, it would make no sense.

 

[FlawedAI]

whats your guesses for tomorrow

i say item

I think fighter again. I'll say... Bayonetta. I believe she hasn't been covered yet.

 

[QcSlayer]

At which time are we usually getting
a new track? Can't wait to get a composer that isn't Motoi Sakuraba.

 

[FlawedAI]

At which time are we usually getting
a new track? Can't wait to get a composer that isn't Motoi Sakuraba.

The website is usually updated at about 9:00 PM Eastern Time, so run that through a time zone converter or whatever. Additionally, music tracks only come on Wednesdays, so that won't be for a couple days.

 

[ThoughtfulWanderer]

At which time are we usually getting
a new track? Can't wait to get a composer that isn't Motoi Sakuraba.

Every Wednesday.

I think fighter again. I'll say... Bayonetta. I believe she hasn't been covered yet.

Yeah, we almost always get a fighter every Monday so I agree. The one time we didn't, they made up for it by still having 3 fighters that week anyways.

 

[SolarFlare657]

Tbh I would love Issac, he was so cool in Smash Flash 2

 

[TempestSurge]

Not sure exactly how development at Nintendo works, but assuming most leaks are coming from localization or QA I'd imagine the characters are by far the most visible/memorable aspects of the game. By comparison, with the hilarious number of stages it seems easy to just not notice/care about any new ones, and ATs are randomized so I'd imagine those are mostly only known by the people specifically working on them.

I imagine a leaker would spill anything and everything they know about: stages, assist, songs, items, game modes. Why would it matter? It'd only help their credibility when these things are proven right, even if the community usually focuses on the characters of the leaks. I was also talking about new stages in general, not the overwhelming number of returning ones. A new stage that would come from the home game of a newcomer would be totally leak worthy. A list of assist trophies for E3 and August direct, songs from the website etc. Sakurai has done a better job this time around to avoid massive leaks like in 4 (the biggest goof being the Castlevania leak).

Verge isn't someone who just put up a list of character names and called it a day. He's active, goes and 'investigates' characters or theories and comes back to tell stories of what he learns, even tries to align his info with fan theories. With how far along the game is now and how much he's spilling what he knows and doesn't care what he spoils, makes no sense to keep quiet about things that would help his credibility: assist trophies, items or otherwise. He'd get in less arguments over it. Obviously he can't speak of what he doesn't know, but finding out about the biggest draw of this game: the roster, something that Sakurai is trying to avoid getting leaked, but other things about the game conveniently not getting leaked makes no sense for someone who apparently is constantly hearing things from his sources. Especially when the rest of the stages would be the biggest help to validating the current list of newcomers he's claiming.

 

[Billybae10K]

At which time are we usually getting
a new track? Can't wait to get a composer that isn't Motoi Sakuraba.

Tuesday evening in America, Wednesday in Japan/Europe. So, we've got some time before the next music update.

 

[Deleted member]

Did something happen seems like a lot of activity someone leak something?

 

[FlawedAI]

Did something happen seems like a lot of activity someone leak something?

Not really.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh okay just checking thought someone said something. Well the wait continues for now.

 

[DogManStar]

I just think the rumours of an announcement have woken people up again. Hope is starting to come back a bit. Activity was down earlier, but after the playlist update was discovered, it seems that people have been posting more again.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Now it's

Yes, we get it, kids should exercise after eating all that candy on Halloween.

Edit: oops wrong thread.

 

[FlawedAI]

Wow, today was Wii Fit Trainer. Did not see that one coming.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Sure, if you know about such things you should mention them to build extra credibility. I'm simply saying that it makes sense that the first thing someone is liable to look for or otherwise notice are the playable characters, considering that's the primary draw of the game and likely the most memorable thing you'd see. I mean, if I had a development build of the game, the first thing I'd be doing is getting to the character selection screen as quickly as I could and seeing if Isaac or anyone else particularly interesting was there. Past that I may take a closer look at the stage list, see what modes are available, etc.

That said, if a leaker really wants to be taken seriously, they ought to divulge something about that hidden mode. Confirm the name, give basic details on how it works, mention any specific encounters or mechanics they saw. If they really have insider information, it would be strange to not know anything about the second most notable addition to the game behind the newcomers themselves.

Even if newcomers are the main draw- no, especially as newcomers are the main draw, it seems improbable that they seem so poorly guarded that people can leak them, while stages and Assist Trophies are not. Seems like the most effort put into preventing leaks would be for characters, allowing stage leaks to slip through the cracks. But the reality we live in is the opposite: everyone leaks characters, no stages.

That to me screams ‘they’re just attention seekers’.

 

[Q-Long]

Ryu: "Does she know yoga fire!?"

 

[FlawedAI]

Even if newcomers are the main draw- no, especially as newcomers are the main draw, it seems improbable that they seem so poorly guarded that people can leak them, while stages and Assist Trophies are not. Seems like the most effort put into preventing leaks would be for characters, allowing stage leaks to slip through the cracks. But the reality we live in is the opposite: everyone leaks characters, no stages.

That to me screams ‘they’re just attention seekers’.

Exactly. The way these people "leak", what they "leak", and their general (not all, but most) attitudes towards anybody trying to disprove their "leak" makes me think every one of these guys is just spewing garbage. I regard the most "trustworthy" leaker, Verge, to be like the Gematsu leak: partially correct, but outdated/incomplete data. Even then, I'd say everything he's leaked is somewhat predictable (what really gets me is Richter - how do you know Simon but not Richter? They appeared in the same freaking trailer!). Right now, I only trust Music Theory and the Ken leak (which I think is real), but everyone and their mother predicted Ken after the Echo reveal, including me.

 

[Aeon Lupin]

You know, it actually makes little sense to reveal all of the characters 2 months before release. Lets say we did get a direct this coming week, and it revealed the last 2 characters, for the sake of argument Ken and Incineroar. There would be a 2 month buffer between that announcement and the game's release. There'd be nothing to discuss or speculate on for almost 2 whole months. This isn't like previous Smash games. We are getting all the characters revealed. The last newcomer reveals for the other installments rested on the fact there was hidden characters, not yet revealed, so you could continue to speculate then. Sakurai and Nintendo aren't stupid. They know characters are the #1 selling point of Smash. If they could, they'd try to keep newcomer chatter open until release. They always could before because of secret characters, but not so much now. I do subscribe to the theory that the box only showcases characters up until the Smash bundle's release, with the remaining characters being showcased in a direct for November. And even so, there's nothing that says Incineroar and Ken have to be revealed together. The character Ken could pair up with in a reveal could be just about anyone.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

Oof there’s a leak going around that has Isaac as an assist and it has evidence that it’s true because they predicted Wii fit trainer as the next blog post and they were right

I am now kinda scared

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Darn I really hope for all your sake this leak ain't true. You guys waited long enough for your golden boy...

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Oof there’s a leak going around that has Isaac as an assist and it has evidence that it’s true because they predicted Wii fit trainer as the next blog post and they were right

I am now kinda scared

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