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Yes, Judgement. The common pick for Isaac's Final Smash.
I can imagine all the Shovel Knight memes that will come out of Judgement if he is revealed as Isaac's Final Smash. One of the best things about Dark Dawn was seeing classic summons in 3D with updated sequences to the animation so having it in HD render would be a natural and amazing stepup
Yeah, it's a rather stark difference from the SSB website pre-Brawl and 4. I'm afraid the reason for that is the design philosophy behind Super Smash Bros Ultimate. It is not meant to be a sequel full of new stuff like Brawl and 4, it's meant to be a combination of content from all of the past SSB games like we've never seen before. Sakurai has already said not to expect many newcomers. I have a feeling that there won't be much new content altogether. I'm hoping I am wrong, but everything just points that way.
How about Catastrophe? Judgement...but prettier.
Probably might be his absence and the notion of the Ballot's top winners being picked in Ultimate in some form. Makes me wonder if Isaac was one of the most voted - or how much, that is.
Yeah, it's probably a mix of peoples' notions over the ballot more or less being reset with the revelation about Bayonetta, and the fact that Ultimate seems like it might take shape heavily around its results.Probably might be his absence and the notion of the Ballot's top winners being picked in Ultimate in some form. Makes me wonder if Isaac was one of the most voted - or how much, that is.
The more a character shows up in leaks, the more people wrap their head around the idea, and then expectation and want begin bleeding into each other! And new characters are always going to need to pick up the torch of the last fan favourite frontrunner.
I think betrayal is a bit dramatic. Camelot isn't owned by Nintendo, they're free to work with who they want. And Capcom isn't even a competitor... plus that game came out exclusively on the Wii. Plus originally Camelot jumped ship to Nintendo from Sega...
To be fair, the updates post-E3 for both the DOJO and PotD were pretty insignificant...
Well I made the Smash 4 Isaac thread as well and there were points it was also one of the most active character support threads. As speculation went on and people caught on to the fact the newcomers were all quite timely the support petered off, but at the outset and again for the ballot the threads were quite lively and Isaac was prevalent on rosters and polls alike.I just find it crazy that there is so much support for Isaac. I mean, we're the 4th most viewed Newcomer thread of the ones still on the board. Back during Smash 4, since I wasn't involved in the speculation scene, I had no idea there were so many other people who enjoyed Isaac as a character. Perhaps there's just been no unifying place for us Isaac fans until this point, so now we're all flocking here
Well Isaac has less competition than usual this time but the only thing that scares me this time is that they are adding less newcomers than usual. The only other older IP that is serious competition is Rhythm Heaven and to a lesser extent the Wars series. ARMS is too recent so it doesn't count. It all depends on the priorities that Sakurai is willing to take and if he would rather take the easy route of adding new characters from pre-existing franchises or would like more Nintendo IPs to get some love which is what I'm hoping for.
Unfortunately it wouldn't surprise me if Sakurai opts for the Rhythm Heaven rep since apparently it's a very popular series in Japan (and personally I loved it too). I just hope Sakurai sees the potential in Isaac's moveset.
We actually don't know that. All Sakurai said was "I hope you're not expecting too many newcomers", this doesn't necessarily mean what people tend to think it means. Since we don't know how many "too many" is.
Be insane if we got 15 fighters. We'd have to get like... two character reveals a month.
You'd be alternating between 2 and 3 characters a month. Definitely not happening when we don't even know if we'll get even one a month. However, we could have a few secret characters hidden away at launch that could inflate the totals. It's been tradition after all.
I've been saying this for the longest time, but the pretty strong support for Isaac doesn't surprise me at all: Almost every Golden Sun fan thinks/thought there's not a lot of other fans who still want the series to come back and because of that, don't bother looking for communities to join. It's a pretty strange case of thinking the games are more obscure (or the communities more dead) than they really are. I even thought that the franchise was almost unknown in Japan nowadays but while its community is most likely smaller than in the West, people are still talking about Golden Sun.I just find it crazy that there is so much support for Isaac. I mean, we're the 4th most viewed Newcomer thread of the ones still on the board. Back during Smash 4, since I wasn't involved in the speculation scene, I had no idea there were so many other people who enjoyed Isaac as a character. Perhaps there's just been no unifying place for us Isaac fans until this point, so now we're all flocking here
That was my case before I came here during Smash 4 speculation. I thought it was just these awesome GBA games that not many people knew of. Heck, I didn’t even know if they were first party until I saw Isaac in Brawl.
Speaking of this, I feel like most people are overlooking the chances of unrepped IPs. I mean if you look at Smash 4s newcomers, if you count the Miis as one character and you exclude the clones, you have 2 third parties (
) , 5 characters from pre-existing series (ultbowserjr and 6 characters from previously unrepped Nintendo series (). And while they could have easily added other popular and relevant characters like Ridley, Bandana Dee, King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Ashley, Impa, Ghirahim, Mewtwo, etc., etc. They instead chose to have the majority of the Nintendo newcomers be completely new faces from both new and old franchises.
I mean, yeah, obviously it wasn't a betrayal per sé; Camelot was free and could accept any project. But, still, they wanted to jump to a long running PC game in the japanese market (which later became the Wii game after seeing it would have been a huge disaster) and they "left" Nintendo when Nintendo had a huge failure with the Gamecube and needed to reinvent themselves. Even now, Camelot proposed themselves to do a new sequel of Shining Force while they were doing the new mario tennis game. So I could understand why Nintendo don't feel the necessity of investing more on them, or recognizing them.
I know some people posted interviews where Sakurai said there wouldn't be a lot of newcomers comparing the preview entry. But I think it's different saying this in a random interview of his native country rather than an important event like the E3 where all the gaming world is watching you. Also, it's not like they didn't do anything during all this time; they returned all of the missing veterans and I read they made significant changes for some characters. Although I don't think it would have 1 or 2 more newcomers (without counting echoes), I think we will have 5 or 6.
How frequently are they talking? I've been following the twitter account and I was really surprised when a japanese account posted some fanart. Also, did you know if there is some love in the german community? It's impossible to know the UK community (because you can mix it with the USA one), but considering that the France and Spain are aware of the IP, and Germany is a big part of Europe (and the most profitable one), it would be nice kwnowing if there is a similar support there.
Not that I think it would happen but can you imagine if Sakurai set it up so a character arrived for free on day one as part of an update without announcing it? (and it still has to be unlocked)
I’m with you, representing new franchises has always been important for Smash.Speaking of this, I feel like most people are overlooking the chances of unrepped IPs. I mean if you look at Smash 4s newcomers, if you count the Miis as one character and you exclude the clones, you have 2 third parties (
Then, I consider how in the E3 presentation, he made a specific point regarding how this is the biggest crossover in gaming history. Really emphasizing the fact that there a lot of games represented here.
So, if Sakurai is looking at the ballot and he sees characters like Isaac, Waddle Dee, Ashley, and Geno all ranked similarly, I feel like there is a very good chance that he would opt for the completely new face.
And as far as other franchises that he might look into for a new character, I do think Advance Wars, Rhythm Heaven, Sin & Punishment, Custom Robo, Dillon’s Rolling Western, and ARMS all stand out. But I am confident that, aside from Inkling, Isaac would’ve easily performed best in the ballot. Especially considering Rhythm Heaven’s lack of a main character, and ARMS being well past the prime time.
I actually feel similarly. I mean I had a ton of fun playing as all the newcomers. In fact, Bowser Jr. was my favorite to play as. But even then, I still find Little Mac, Shulk, and Villager to be far more interesting and worth while in the end.
I wholeheartedly agree with this.Speaking of this, I feel like most people are overlooking the chances of unrepped IPs. I mean if you look at Smash 4s newcomers, if you count the Miis as one character and you exclude the clones, you have 2 third parties (
Then, I consider how in the E3 presentation, he made a specific point regarding how this is the biggest crossover in gaming history. Really emphasizing the fact that there a lot of games represented here.
So, if Sakurai is looking at the ballot and he sees characters like Isaac, Waddle Dee, Ashley, and Geno all ranked similarly, I feel like there is a very good chance that he would opt for the completely new face.
And as far as other franchises that he might look into for a new character, I do think Advance Wars, Rhythm Heaven, Sin & Punishment, Custom Robo, Dillon’s Rolling Western, and ARMS all stand out. But I am confident that, aside from Inkling, Isaac would’ve easily performed best in the ballot. Especially considering Rhythm Heaven’s lack of a main character, and ARMS being well past the prime time.
Yea, Sakurai is a troll as well.
