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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

TappyBat

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:/ man normally I’m the pessimist, yet the gs trademark, it trending on Twitter, and the screenshot tease with rathalos, really make me feel his chance is pretty good just like geno’s from all the past evidence, but also the ff barrage we got in the direct.

Yet both the Isaac boards and geno boards seem so gloom and doom right now...

Y’all guys shouldn’t be so down. The box theory doesn’t mean anything, and both you guys character, and ours really do have a good shot now. And even if not in the base game, dlc for sure. Hell y’alls game was trending on twitter for crying out loud! There’s no way nintendo didn’t notice that.
you remember fire emblem warriors box box are with the sprites getting shown off early? I think that one was a leak? yeah that's why people are doing the "durrr final roster!" thing even though we've only seen two sides. so *shrugs*
 

Xithyl_kykorl

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We can all agree that at least most of us here that want Isaac in smash, primarily want it to help reignite the Golden Sun series, yeah? Or at least, that's what I think is part of the reason. In that case, even in a worst case scenario where he doesn't make the base roster, we could still push Camelot for a Golden Sun 4 and/or a remaster/remake of 1 and 2 on the switch, given Camelot's stance about it. I think it would be an opportune time, given how much we're showing Camelot how much we care about the series, and don't want it to die, and we'd already be assembled for a common goal anyways. While personally, i'd be placated with that, the series revival might help him to get in in another wave.
 

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This thread right now after the boxart


Everybody calm down. The box art thing probably means nothing. I would not compare it to Ridley's Shadow because that came straight from the mouth of Sakurai whereas this is just a few fans overanalyzing and applying arbitrary rules where there are none. Everything is going to be fine. GS, RH, and Wrecking Crew are three awfully specific things to trademark at the same time. That alone seems to imply that there are more characters in the game then just two. Besides, they can just use the back of the box if they need more space.
 

True Blue Warrior

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As I'll have to keep on saying, this isn't the time to throw in the towel.

And in regards to the fanservice question, adding in heavy amounts of fanservice is just a bad idea that would lead to worse problems as it will leave the Golden Sun fanbase shattered. Just look at the complaints regarding Xenoblade 2 and Fates. For all the criticism Dark Dawn got, you cannot deny that the character designs in that game still feel like they could belong in the same series as the older games.

  1. _Sheik
  2. 1/128
  3. 9Blades
  4. ☆Jisatsu☆
  5. *Verrix*
  6. ?!?!?!
  7. Accursed
  8. Adeptmune
  9. Agk0001
  10. Aguki90
  11. airConditioner
  12. aldelaro5
  13. alguidrag
  14. Akod
  15. Altais
  16. Amberloo
  17. Amtoj
  18. AncientArk
  19. andimidna
  20. Androobie
  21. Aeon Lupin
  22. Apollyon
  23. Aqua Rock X
  24. AquaDork1
  25. AquaSol
  26. Arcadenik
  27. Arsenal234,
  28. Arteen
  29. Asian_Charizard
  30. Astraltar
  31. Aureola
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  34. AwesomeCauliflower68
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  36. Backgammon
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Q-Long

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As I'll have to keep on saying, this isn't the time to throw in the towel.

And in regards to the fanservice question, adding in heavy amounts of fanservice is just a bad idea that would lead to worse problems as it will leave the Golden Sun fanbase shattered. Just look at the complaints regarding Xenoblade 2 and Fates. For all the criticism Dark Dawn got, you cannot deny that the character designs in that game still feel like they could belong in the same series as the older games.

  1. _Sheik
  2. 1/128
  3. 9Blades
  4. ☆Jisatsu☆
  5. *Verrix*
  6. ?!?!?!
  7. Accursed
  8. Adeptmune
  9. Agk0001
  10. Aguki90
  11. airConditioner
  12. aldelaro5
  13. alguidrag
  14. Akod
  15. Altais
  16. Amberloo
  17. Amtoj
  18. AncientArk
  19. andimidna
  20. Androobie
  21. Aeon Lupin
  22. Apollyon
  23. Aqua Rock X
  24. AquaDork1
  25. AquaSol
  26. Arcadenik
  27. Arsenal234,
  28. Arteen
  29. Asian_Charizard
  30. Astraltar
  31. Aureola
  32. Aurora Jenny
  33. AustarusIV
  34. AwesomeCauliflower68
  35. Awesomedude444
  36. Backgammon
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I love Amiiti and Eoleo's designs! Wish they added more summons tho
 

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Either he's full of **** and only knew a couple characters, they're DLC, or he pulled a Gematsu and they didn't make the final roster.



Either way, I was always figuring Vergeben would get something wrong eventually. He always does when he leaks info on games.



One other possibility is that this isn't the final roster, just the main promotion characters they're promoting before release. The final few will be show off in one last late Direct, and will essentially be the "secret" characters this time around. They'll only be briefly shown off, so you have to unlock them and figure out how they work, only the designs will be revealed.
Sakurai has been very clear that we're going to see every fighter before the game is released this time around.
 

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The sexy evil man with bunny ears is right, you guys let yourself being influenced too easily. When it's good news it's "Isaac confirmed !" and when bad news happen you're like "Nintendo hates us, Golden sun is dead".
Let's just not go the the extremes like this.
 
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Thoughts of Isaac as an AT again? Thanks, but no thanks. If he's an AT, it'll be utterly forgettable. Every time I see him I think I might get angry inside just a little. I just can't get with the camp of, "Well, at least he got something" at all. Isaac deserves more than that. Golden Sun deserves more than that. I really don't care who thinks otherwise because they're wrong. If they keep him doing MOVE it would be boring and if he did way more I'd get angry just because it would blow my mind why they didn't make him playable. Screw all scenarios involved.

Other users have said it too, but the amount of teasing that's being done in the direction of Golden Sun is staggering. Every other series that's been teased to even a quarter as much as we're getting teased is playable in Smash by now (Rhythm Heaven too). We just don't realize it or deny it because we're so immersed in it. Most of us come to this thread every day for news. I mean people joke about clouds, but do you all realize even the goddamn cloud characters are all playable at this point? Getting a gutter ball again would be beyond strange to me. You can basically put Isaac and Golden Sun in an exclusive box if it ends up happening because no other Nintendo franchise is as successful with nothing to show for it.

This is why, while I'm very happy for fans of Isabelle, Ridley and K. Rool it feels like being the kid on the playground getting picked dead last for dodgeball even though you play for the school's soccer team. Both baffling and at the same time disheartening. And at the same time, Isabelle's, Ridley's and K. Rools big brothers and sisters are already in there. There was already something to rest your laurels on.

I think he's in this time and I'll wait until the last reveal before I stop thinking that way.
 

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I'm surprised that everyone is still talking about a box when that's not the final design. Heck, it wouldn't need to have every character on there. To me, it means nothing until we know EVERY character.

I'm still sticking to the theory that Isaac (Felix Echo), Karate Joe/Chorus Kids, and Foreman Spike are going to be revealed soon thanks to their games getting trademarks renewed. Yes, I know, it most likely means nothing, but it's still very strange that those games got renewed at the same time.
 

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We can all agree that at least most of us here that want Isaac in smash, primarily want it to help reignite the Golden Sun series, yeah? Or at least, that's what I think is part of the reason. In that case, even in a worst case scenario where he doesn't make the base roster, we could still push Camelot for a Golden Sun 4 and/or a remaster/remake of 1 and 2 on the switch, given Camelot's stance about it. I think it would be an opportune time, given how much we're showing Camelot how much we care about the series, and don't want it to die, and we'd already be assembled for a common goal anyways. While personally, i'd be placated with that, the series revival might help him to get in in another wave.
The issue with that is that we kinda need some form of advertisement to spark series intrigue. The fans can’t do it alone. We’re too few.

We need Isaac in Smash so that people, who aren’t mega fans like us, can get interested in the series. It’s kinda like what happened with Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus.

Without that there’s very little hope for a new Golden Sun.
 

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Thoughts of Isaac as an AT again? Thanks, but no thanks. If he's an AT, it'll be utterly forgettable. Every time I see him I think I might get angry inside just a little. I just can't get with the camp of, "Well, at least he got something" at all. Isaac deserves more than that. Golden Sun deserves more than that. I really don't care who thinks otherwise because they're wrong. If they keep him doing MOVE it would be boring and if he did way more I'd get angry just because it would blow my mind why they didn't make him playable. Screw all scenarios involved.

Other users have said it too, but the amount of teasing that's being done in the direction of Golden Sun is staggering. Every other series that's been teased to even a quarter as much as we're getting teased is playable in Smash by now (Rhythm Heaven too). We just don't realize it or deny it because we're so immersed in it. Most of us come to this thread every day for news. I mean people joke about clouds, but do you all realize even the goddamn cloud characters are all playable at this point? Getting a gutter ball again would be beyond strange to me. You can basically put Isaac and Golden Sun in an exclusive box if it ends up happening because no other Nintendo franchise is as successful with nothing to show for it.

This is why, while I'm very happy for fans of Isabelle, Ridley and K. Rool it feels like being the kid on the playground getting picked dead last for dodgeball even though you play for the school's soccer team. Both baffling and at the same time disheartening. And at the same time, Isabelle's, Ridley's and K. Rools big brothers and sisters are already in there. There was already something to rest your laurels on.

I think he's in this time and I'll wait until the last reveal before I stop thinking that way.
Yeah, and look even just slightly outside our own deep speculation bubble. People on YouTube give Isaac the time of day and often include him on their prediction rosters even if they're not as deeply informed and invested. People on Twitter all around were immediately calling out the Rathalos tweet for its parallels. Most of all, that hype for Isaac carried over into how vocal the response to a trademark renewal was, where Golden Sun was a worldwide trending topic for 2 hours.

People around here think he's likely. People outside hardcore speculation are noticing him and think he's likely. I'm usually cautious when it comes to those I truly want, but the continued absence of an AT (the only situation where I don't see him joining) only increases the possibility.

The issue with that is that we kinda need some form of advertisement to spark series intrigue. The fans can’t do it alone. We’re too few.

We need Isaac in Smash so that people, who aren’t mega fans like us, can get interested in the series. It’s kinda like what happened with Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus.

Without that there’s very little hope for a new Golden Sun.
And it'd be such a quick and painless result to achieve. His presence and moveset alone will have newbies intrigued and wanting to see more of the "cool guy with the scarf/rock and plant powers/giant hand".

It'd be like a domino effect of series interest and new GS fans being bred right there and then. All that could come in five minutes with a trailer + moveset breakdown. It's the best method of promotion.
 

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Why the **** is everyone STILL taking the box theory as Gospel?

It's an assumption made by a marketing team. Nothing more. Nothing less.

But, let's say there are expecting 2 spots to be open. why would they casually leave 2 spots out? Were they expecting 2 more to be there?

Actually, if that's not the final design, and a marketing team doesn't know anything about the final roster...what if they were expecting two fighters to be revealed at this direct?

That's impossible. There was only one to be revealed at this direct.

That leaves one open. But why would they leave one open?

Unless...there was planned to be another one shown.
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But that's just a theory. A GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEEE THEORY.
 
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The issue with that is that we kinda need some form of advertisement to spark series intrigue. The fans can’t do it alone. We’re too few.

We need Isaac in Smash so that people, who aren’t mega fans like us, can get interested in the series. It’s kinda like what happened with Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus.

Without that there’s very little hope for a new Golden Sun.
Normally, I'd agree with you there, however, I also feel like Isaac is getting far more attention as a whole this time around. Likely because of the nature of Ultimate's roster. I've even seen several people start streaming and lets playing golden sun again. Golden Sun is starting to garnish attention, which gives me hope that it could happen regardless.
 

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I don't buy the box theory at all.

1. That could just be a placeholder image

2. Maybe they show off characters on other parts of the box, not just the side or sides.

3. I don't think Nintendo would reveal something that would give away how many revealing characters there are. They've had slip ups before with spoiling information (like the Castlevania music incident for the August direct), but still...

4. I understand that people are being conservative due to Sakurai's claim that he "hopes people don't expect too many newcomers," but I'm pretty sure we can expect more than 2 characters to be revealed in the 2 and half months we have until Ultimate releases
 

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This would be quite a let down. While he warned us of not expecting too many newcomers it doesnt feel like we have all that many.

Echoes I guess are newcomers...but their movesets sure arent new. I'd feel pretty cheated seeing as how the only actual newcomer I wanted that's been included is King K. Rool.
 

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Wall of text inc.

In all honesty?

I don't even think the arrangement of characters on the side is anything but a placeholder.
I know there's a rhythm of 9 characters to it, but the way it's handled here is, quite frankly, horrible to look at.
Characters appearing completely isolated from BOTH their own series and the newcomer roster of the game they starred in is incredibly jarring.
Of course they are going for the whole chronological order thing, but WHY split that up along the sides? Mario being on the other side than Bowser, Peach, even Luigi?

I think it's way more aesthetically pleasing and likely for them to go in true chronological order from the left side to the right side of the box. We'd have all 35 characters from Brawl on it ( + 5 echoes [Dark Samus, Dark Pit, Daisy, Chrom, Lucina], so we'd either end up at a total of 40 per side/ 80 total (unlikely) or they'd have to split the last few characters to the other side to make it 36 on each side and we'd again...reach 72 total. That's the last evenly divisible number until 39, but we'd have rows of a measly three characters then.

I kinda stand by my earlier Smashdown theory of it all having to be divisible by 4, but this box art requires quite a similar construct - that the roster is evenly divisible by 2, and that this half of the roster is divisible by a big enough number to make aesthetically pleasant rows on the box art. So 72 or 80 remain the most likely. This theory is of course still liable to them for example putting the OG 8 on the back of the box or similar stuff.

I CAN however see them padding the roster out to 80 via quite a few echoes and about 3-5 more newcomers. I honestly don't believe there are only 2 spots left and i - yes, you may judge me for this - do completey believe Vergeben by now.

My 10 spots would be:
Uniques
1. You know who :)
2. Geno
3. Incineroar
and if we got more uniques:
4. Skull Kid/Waddle Dee (both have pretty nice evidence pointing to them)
5. Rayman/Banjo/Shantae (3rd party hype reveal)

Echoes
6. Ken
7. Shadow
8. Medusa (Palutena Echo)
9. Dixie
10. Black Shadow
if less uniques:
11. Dry Bowser
if no Skull Kid:
12. Impa/Hilda/Tetra

But now i'm hyping myself up again and the internet is telling me to scrap that, wot do?
 

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Normally, I'd agree with you there, however, I also feel like Isaac is getting far more attention as a whole this time around. Likely because of the nature of Ultimate's roster. I've even seen several people start streaming and lets playing golden sun again. Golden Sun is starting to garnish attention, which gives me hope that it could happen regardless.
Right, but with regards to the Smash fandom, people tend to suddenly not care anymore once something is deconfirmed, save for the supporters of that character. They’ll simply move on to the next thing to speculate. Then all that traction that was gained will come to a screeching halt.

If Isaac is not in Smash then those trends suddenly dissappear and Nintendo will see that it did not have any lasting appeal which is what Golden Sun desperately needs right now.

That’s the unfortunate reality of Smash speculation. Series interest outside of specific fandoms is quite fickle.
 

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Shouldn't the boxart for Smash Ultimate left side contain things like: Copyrights, what's include, languages availables and others? Like the collector of Let's go?
 

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Shouldn't the boxart for Smash Ultimate left side contain things like: Copyrights, what's include, languages availables and others? Like the collector of Let's go?
I'd expect things like these to go on the back as with a standard game cover, no?
 

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Couldn't be more uneasier to wake up on this "box theory"-thing today. The way it's making all these fans and supporters now call quits on speculation is kind of disheartening.




In my strong opinion, I feel that Sakurai, and/or Nintendo's marketing team even moreso, wouldn't be that careless to let bundle box-art like this be allowed, as now it seems to be damaging the hyped momentum and marketing power Smash Ultimate has carried on so far.

On that note, what makes this theory feel bogus is how the box art doesn't even have Isabelle included next to K.Rool. If she was, we'd be probably believing there's just one character left - since that box-art has also Echoes on it.

The best I can take from that "theory" is that if following what Vergeben's been getting right again, it'd allow us to pin-down reveals on Ken's and Gen 7 PKMN's favour - so I'm now looking out for those two. Until, it a placeholder image at best for me.

Again, see how this theory's ruining speculation around these forums and is spreading on further scale on the internet? Sakurai's not gonna be that daft and destructive on Ultimate's current powerful momentum, during this considerably long point of time before it's release. :100:
 
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GamXplain and Source Gaming are covering this "Theory".

Seriously. Are they THIS daft?
Got to cash in on the easy ways to gain likes and views with these kind of "crazy rumors". :secretkpop:

I would be legitimely really sorry for the women condition and treatment in videogames. Xenoblade 2 and latest FE really disappointed me, and I'm genuinely sad that Japan doesn't seems to care of the depiction of women in their media and doesn't seems to make any efforts, when western games are more and more inclusive by talking casualy of homosexuality, and present their heroines with minor or absent fanservice.
Yeah, this irks me to no end as well - it's pretty much why I think this archetypes and stuff are gonna be the ones that keep on going, only be replaced by new "flavors of the month" to keep it alive - yet the characters just become shallow and easily forgotten when someone newer or more recent comes on their way. Over time you tend to only remember the "best" ones of them all - and chances are it's because they did something unique or at least distinctive with the archetype they were given. The biggest problem indeed has been how these archetypes are just "copied" and not done anything fresh or new with.

It's why in the anime industry, someone like Mikoto Misaka from Toaru Raildex-verse went to become insanely popular after getting more competent and likable writing in Certain Scientific Railgun-manga, as opposed to being your typical tsundere girl that fawns over the MC, but just happens to have insane ways of controlling electromagnetism.
 
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Yeah, I've seen beta designs for boxart... it's a placeholder image, considering it ended at King K. Rool.
 

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Got to cash in on the easy ways to gain likes and views with these kind of "crazy rumors". :secretkpop:



Yeah, this irks me to no end as well - it's pretty much why I think this archetypes and stuff are gonna be the ones that keep on going, only be replaced by new "flavors of the month" to keep it alive - yet the characters just become shallow and easily forgotten when someone newer or more recent comes on their way. Over time you tend to only remember the "best" ones of them all - and chances are it's because they did something unique or at least distinctive with the archetype they were given. The biggest problem indeed has been how these archetypes are just "copied" and not done anything fresh or new with.

It's why in the anime industry, someone like Mikoto Misaka from Toaru Raildex-verse went to become insanely popular after getting more competent and likable writing in Certain Scientific Railgun-manga, as opposed to being your typical tsundere girl that fawns over the MC, but just happens to have insane ways of controlling electromagnetism.
Honestly, GamExplain/Source Gaming is just reporting it as it stands. With how little room there is, and with the amount of fighters we get, I doubt 2 would be left to be revealed. Calling this evidence is laughable.

As for xenoblade 2...you know, after Xenoblade x being the worst piece of **** of the entire Xeno series (Besides XenoSaga 2), I think it's a step up no matter how much "fanservice" there is. (Which is really just a common thing in Japan tbf.)

Besides, I can at least say it's better than Fates. WAAAAAY BETTER.
 
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GamXplain and Source Gaming are covering this "Theory".

Seriously. Are they THIS daft?
I respect the hustle. I wouldn't be surprise if they didn't believe it, but I'm sure there are some reason$ for posting videos on those theories.

Edit: Though some video game theory videos... just reach so much and you face palm
 
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That's enough talk about boxes

Unless you guys want to talk about a special edition box for golden sun remakes :love:

I would buy the hell out of a golden sun collector's edition if they ended up making one
 
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Thoughts of Isaac as an AT again? Thanks, but no thanks. If he's an AT, it'll be utterly forgettable. Every time I see him I think I might get angry inside just a little. I just can't get with the camp of, "Well, at least he got something" at all. Isaac deserves more than that. Golden Sun deserves more than that. I really don't care who thinks otherwise because they're wrong. If they keep him doing MOVE it would be boring and if he did way more I'd get angry just because it would blow my mind why they didn't make him playable. Screw all scenarios involved.

Other users have said it too, but the amount of teasing that's being done in the direction of Golden Sun is staggering. Every other series that's been teased to even a quarter as much as we're getting teased is playable in Smash by now (Rhythm Heaven too). We just don't realize it or deny it because we're so immersed in it. Most of us come to this thread every day for news. I mean people joke about clouds, but do you all realize even the goddamn cloud characters are all playable at this point? Getting a gutter ball again would be beyond strange to me. You can basically put Isaac and Golden Sun in an exclusive box if it ends up happening because no other Nintendo franchise is as successful with nothing to show for it.

This is why, while I'm very happy for fans of Isabelle, Ridley and K. Rool it feels like being the kid on the playground getting picked dead last for dodgeball even though you play for the school's soccer team. Both baffling and at the same time disheartening. And at the same time, Isabelle's, Ridley's and K. Rools big brothers and sisters are already in there. There was already something to rest your laurels on.

I think he's in this time and I'll wait until the last reveal before I stop thinking that way.
I like that! Keep hope alive, Golden sun really does deserve this!

That's enough talk about boxes

Unless you guys want to talk about a special edition box for golden sun remakes :love:

I would buy the hell out of a golden sun collector's edition if they ended up making one
I hope a special edition comes with high quality figures of all four basic djinn
 
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hustler713

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Djinn figures, concept art, maybe a poster, badges...so many potential goodies

I hope it becomes a reality
Still think the Luna and Sol Elements felt like a third nipple on the chest. Golden Suns Psynergy and Djinn System was deep enough that the elemental system could absolutely stay as basic as it was.
 
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Right, but with regards to the Smash fandom, people tend to suddenly not care anymore once something is deconfirmed, save for the supporters of that character. They’ll simply move on to the next thing to speculate. Then all that traction that was gained will come to a screeching halt.

If Isaac is not in Smash then those trends suddenly dissappear and Nintendo will see that it did not have any lasting appeal which is what Golden Sun desperately needs right now.

That’s the unfortunate reality of Smash speculation. Series interest outside of specific fandoms is quite fickle.
That is true. Just look at Lyn from the fire emblem series, it wasn't until people saw her in other mediums of games that she suddenly got recognized. Pre Awakening you would describe this character and people would be like "Who's that?" but once she got onto the mobile game and became playable in the Hack n Slash title she suddenly skyrocketed up to like the 3rd most popular character in the series.

If Isaac appeared in a different game from his traditional JRPG and could showcase his abilities in a different genre, the Hype for this character would probably explode after just seeing what he's capable of.

But if he doesn't, then he may just fall back into obscurity.
 
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Second verse same as the first I'm not gonna let a box make me stop believing Isaac's got a shot you can if ya want too but if you still have hope don't let that fire die out
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That's enough talk about boxes

Unless you guys want to talk about a special edition box for golden sun remakes :love:

I would buy the hell out of a golden sun collector's edition if they ended up making one
Still think the Luna and Sol Elements felt like a third nipple on the chest. Golden Suns Psynergy and Djinn System was deep enough that the elemental system could absolutely stay as basic as it was.
I would like if there was one Luna and one sol djinn, and can only be equipped by someone in the second stage or beyond in a class, and it gives access to a day and night version of the class. It's balanced by taking a spot, preventing the most powerful tri settlement classes from becoming even more broken plus only two can equip them at any given time.
 
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Since we got the Direct out of the way, I'm now interested in exploring rumors as to when the next Smash Direct will be? I'm hoping for a surprise announcement at the end of September, or early October. At least with a Smash Direct, there will be more material to digest than just "trailer to set up another game".
 

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Been a long time since I've been here lol. Still hopeful that our childhood friend will make it in this time.

As for the box theory thingy, guys just relax there are also many facts that can make this theory sound like total BS.
1. It's not even the final ver. of the box art so there is that
2. Correct me if I am wrong on this one, but we only saw the left side of the box right? So people automatically assume that there must be the same no. of characters on the other side too. HOWEVER we don't know if there will be characters at the bottom too or even behind it (like the Smash 4 game had).
3. It's Sakurai we are talking about. He is way smarter than that to ruin the surprise by some stupid box :D Many people expected stuff like our boy Isaac or Skull Kid or Geno or some other character from the latest direct, but sakurai went with Isabelle instead and threw everyone off again. I also saw many people starting to doubt if their character has any chance left. And I think that's exactly what Sakurai wanted to accomplish so the surprise comes even bigger when it finally hits.

With that said don't lose hope. Isaac chances seem way bigger currently than they were ever before. I can't wait to finally get my number 1 newcomer since Brawl into this game. Maybe even with Felix <3
 
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