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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

TappyBat

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Hello everyone! I've been far too busy with other parts of the Isaac for Smash campaign to keep up with the thread sadly, but I'm very happy to see it grow so fast!

I'm just here to share a... French meme about Golden Sun.

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It got 1.5K likes and 500 RTs so there definitely is no doubt that France likes Golden Sun a lot!
To explain quickly why it's funny, what's written on the Djinn are the translations of their respective elements. The thing is, the four translated words make the first lyrics of a very well known song by Michel Sardou (search "Les Lacs du Connemara", if you want to listen to how it sounds), mostly popular with older people but well even young ones know it... x)


That was Falgor, reporting Golden Sun weirdness coming from France. See you later!
cool! here's hoping our boy got some votes from eupore in the ballot!
 

XenoWarriorX

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I honestly hope i'm not going crazy.

But Golden Sun's Health Restoration sounds eerily familiar to Final Fantasy's prelude.
 

KMDP

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Wait I think I messed up on the zodiac bit. So I'm a Scorpio but born in a year of Fire? Which also happens to be Rat? So I'm Water Water Fire? What would that entail and did I do that right?
I've been looking through the classes from Golden Sun, the Water Adepts seem to have routinely gotten the short end of the stick regarding class set-ups.

Basically, with 6 Mercury (5+Adept) and 4 Mars, you'd be an Ascetic of the Pilgrim class series.

Fortunately, Ascetics get everything the Pilgrim class has to offer (except the higher stats from being a Water Monk or Guru).
They have the Douse, Prism and Volcano Psynergy series, along with Wish, Cure Poison, Restore and Break.

According to GS Wiki, the Pilgrim class series is pretty effective as far as Dual-type Classes go.
 

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Nothing new for today its seems.
Also my Smash-themed Golden Sun got his TLA days, and Briggs gave me some trouble, one of his pirates one shot Sheba(Kamui) using a oil drop, and multiples Echo cut from briggs felled Jenna(Robin) so Felix had to do the final rush against Briggs
 

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When Isaac hopefully gets in we need a video in this style called "THE SUN SHINES AGAIN" where we could have the Beatles song 'Here comes the sun' towards the end. It would be magnificent
When we get Isaac I can edit the video!

Now for the sign thing... I am a Sagittarius so that is Fire and a Water Monkey so... Yeah
 

DogManStar

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Nothing new for today its seems.
Also my Smash-themed Golden Sun got his TLA days, and Briggs gave me some trouble, one of his pirates one shot Sheba(Kamui) using a oil drop, and multiples Echo cut from briggs felled Jenna(Robin) so Felix had to do the final rush against Briggs
It's still daytime in Japan, so maybe they will announce the moved Direct soon. Let's keep hoping for that. I'm starting to get a little bored, I need some good ol' hype in my life. Sorry if that comes off as insensitive in the wake of all that's happened; I won't be mad if we have to wait a week still or something.
 

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Also... I saw some people doing Themed runs (Psyenergy only, no Djinn swap...) could anyone try a "Generic Sword user run" Using no battle Psyenergy?
 

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Also... I saw some people doing Themed runs (Psyenergy only, no Djinn swap...) could anyone try a "Generic Sword user run" Using no battle Psyenergy?
I've managed that type of run already. No offensive psynergy, no djinn usage, no summons. :3
I don't think I did both games though... maybe?
 

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I've managed that type of run already. No offensive psynergy, no djinn usage, no summons. :3
I don't think I did both games though... maybe?
Add “no unleashes” to that and give it a shot.
 

pholtos

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Add “no unleashes” to that and give it a shot.
Maybe once I finish my Psynergy only run.
Also yep, only did up through the end of GS1, have a screenshot of the moment I won it.
If I could attach things, I'd just post it, don't feel like going through the trouble of putting it on imgur. :p
 

Muirkat

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Ok, I need some opinions on this...

Is he too thick/chubby?? I think he might be, but I kind of like the look. What do you think?
 
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Ok, I need some opinions on this...

Is he too thick/chubby?? I think he might be, but I kind of like the look. What do you think?
Wow! It looks great so far! Keep it up!

Man, it would be awesome to have GS amiibo...
 

KMDP

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Maybe once I finish my Psynergy only run.
Also yep, only did up through the end of GS1, have a screenshot of the moment I won it.
If I could attach things, I'd just post it, don't feel like going through the trouble of putting it on imgur. :p
I actually beat Deadbeard in my "No Djinn Swap" run, at Level ~26.

I started with a Summon Rush (as you do, I was Summon Rushing more to try and improve the party's general magic damage output, but apparently Break also removes the Elemental Power-ups you get from Summoning, at least I got a headstart on damage *shrug*), then stalled until everyone was back to full strength (I tried to build up Defensive Buffs but... Deadbeard decided it was Break Time). I exploited the hell out of Granite and Flash, by the end of the fight I was alternating being the two and healing with Garet. :laugh:

Basically, with Deadbeard... dead... again... the game is already won, beating Venus Lighthouse (which I've barely even started) is just a formality.

I thought I'd need to rearrange the party's Djinn set-up, but it turned out to be unnecessary (but I am glad I moved the Waters of Life from Ivan's inventory to Isaac's because Ivan, and Mia, died during the fight). Actually, I think Isaac was the only character to not die once in that fight.
Note: Ivan's the one in my party who has the Revive spell, he doesn't need Waters of Life.
 
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SlyRocko

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(but I am glad I moved the Waters of Life from Ivan's inventory to Isaac's because Ivan, and Mia, died during the fight). Actually, I think Isaac was the only character to not die once in that fight.
If that isn't a 200IQ decision I can't trust anything anymore.
 

KMDP

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If that isn't a 200IQ decision I can't trust anything anymore.
I went into that fight fully expecting to get killed, turns out I was just prepared enough. I got real close to killing Deadbeard with a Venus Djinn (which would have given me Double EXP, because Deadbeard is weak to Venus Psynergy), but Mia dealt the killing blow with the Mars Summon.

That's only slightly less ignoble than getting killed by Isaac using Flint, who only dealt ~60 damage even Super Effective (probably because of the Defensive Buffs he was giving himself which I couldn't get rid of).
April 1993

So I'm Taurus and chicken, no idea what class that would beee
Rooster in 1993 is Water, and Rooster itself is Metal.

Taurus is an Earth sign.

So... Earth, Earth, Water...

That would be the Cavalier (Venus) class in the Swordsman (Crusader in Dark Dawn) series, requiring 5 Venus Djinn (or not enough Djinn of any other type to influence the Class) and 4 Mercury Djinn.

Venus Cavaliers get Thorn and Cutting Edge, along with Ply, Wish, Revive, Cure Poison and Restore. They also get Avoid and Break.

Apparently this Class (and it's Mars equivalent) is very effective against Saturos at Mercury Lighthouse, and a good class to use in Lost Age's Early Game. However, it's got a bad PP pool, meaning it's not that good at what it's obviously meant to do (heal). However, it is slightly better than the Mars version of the Cavalier, which has Guard instead of Revive (though since my Garet in the playthrough I'm doing is a Cavalier, I can say that Guard is a pretty good Spell).
 
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Nossnitro102

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I've been looking through the classes from Golden Sun, the Water Adepts seem to have routinely gotten the short end of the stick regarding class set-ups.

Basically, with 6 Mercury (5+Adept) and 4 Mars, you'd be an Ascetic of the Pilgrim class series.

Fortunately, Ascetics get everything the Pilgrim class has to offer (except the higher stats from being a Water Monk or Guru).
They have the Douse, Prism and Volcano Psynergy series, along with Wish, Cure Poison, Restore and Break.

According to GS Wiki, the Pilgrim class series is pretty effective as far as Dual-type Classes go.
So all is not lost? Well at least it's not useless..
 

KMDP

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So all is not lost? Well at least it's not useless..
None of the classes are useless, but when I said that Mercury Adepts got the short end of the stick, I meant that they have less visible variety and seem to have fewer Dual-Elemental classes to choose from.

As for the Pilgrim class line, I believe I actually made either Ivan or Mia a Guru in my last GS playthrough (where I experimented with Djinn set-ups). That class tree is one of the best Dual-Elemental Classes, to quote GS Wiki: "Both versions of the Pilgrim class are one of the more solid Dual-Elemental classes available. The Mercury version is especially effective, as it possesses the potent Prism and Volcano families for offense, along with the Wish series for mass healing."

Obviously it's not going to be as good as the Three Element Classes (e.g. Dragoon, Ninja, Samurai, etc), but that goes without saying.

It is, however, more of a mid-to-late-game Class than an early game one, since you need to at least be Ascetic to get a lot of it's better skills.
 
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Out of the Boys:
Isaac > Saturos > Garet > Piers = Felix >Alex >Ivan > Agatio > Kraden -Forever Bottom Tier-

Based Dad Isaac > Eoleo > Mathew > Rief > Doting Garet > Tyrell > Arcanus > Amiti > Blados > Kraden.

Out of the Girls:
Mia = Jenna > Karst > Sheba > Menardi

Sveta > Chalis > Karis > Himi

In General:

Isaac > Mia = Jenna > Saturos > Garet > Piers = Felix > Alex > Ivan > Sheba > Karst > Menardi > Agatio > Kraden *As you can see, I hate Kraden*

Based Dad Isaac > Sveta > Eoleo > Mathew > Rief > Chalis > Karis > Doting Garet > Himi > Tyrell > Arcanus > Amiti > Blados > Kraden *GO AWAY KRADEN!*
 
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Does anyone else find it a bit uncomfortable that there seems to be so much going in Isaacs favour?

The tweet, the exit poll, having 40 assists already and no Isaac, Sakurai focusing on the ballot, big picks like Ridley and K. Rool already out of the way......

After a while it starts feeling like there's so much going for your character that it can't possibly be real, like you're just imagining it.
 

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Does anyone else find it a bit uncomfortable that there seems to be so much going in Isaacs favour?

The tweet, the exit poll, having 40 assists already and no Isaac, Sakurai focusing on the ballot, big picks like Ridley and K. Rool already out of the way......

After a while it starts feeling like there's so much going for your character that it can't possibly be real, like you're just imagining it.
Don't worry about this, it's only natural for one's faith to fluctuate from convinced he'll be in to resigned he won't be when you have to wait so long.
 

KMDP

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Does anyone else find it a bit uncomfortable that there seems to be so much going in Isaacs favour?

The tweet, the exit poll, having 40 assists already and no Isaac, Sakurai focusing on the ballot, big picks like Ridley and K. Rool already out of the way......

After a while it starts feeling like there's so much going for your character that it can't possibly be real, like you're just imagining it.
It is an interesting situation we find ourselves in.

Here's hoping Isaac joins :ultlittlemac: and :ultdarksamus: in the Assist Trophy upgrade group.
 

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Does anyone else find it a bit uncomfortable that there seems to be so much going in Isaacs favour?

The tweet, the exit poll, having 40 assists already and no Isaac, Sakurai focusing on the ballot, big picks like Ridley and K. Rool already out of the way......

After a while it starts feeling like there's so much going for your character that it can't possibly be real, like you're just imagining it.
There is a good lot in his favour, but how this series has treated Golden Sun in the past has taught me to never get my hopes up, so in turn I've just spent the last few weeks generally petrified.
 

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Does anyone else find it a bit uncomfortable that there seems to be so much going in Isaacs favour?

The tweet, the exit poll, having 40 assists already and no Isaac, Sakurai focusing on the ballot, big picks like Ridley and K. Rool already out of the way......

After a while it starts feeling like there's so much going for your character that it can't possibly be real, like you're just imagining it.
You’re not the only one feeling that way! Isaac being playable has always felt like a fantasy to me but this time I actually feel confident about his inclusion, so much so that I believe Felix has a chance too! Plus their inclusion could mean the revival of the franchise.

It’s awesome yet so strange at the same time.
 

pholtos

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*Taps foot impatiently so much it becomes a sort of frenzied tap dance*

Edit: I just realized that it'll be impossible for me to defeat every boss in TLA in a Psynergy only run, since one of the superbosses is immune to Psynergy. Well that's fun. :p
 
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Does anyone else find it a bit uncomfortable that there seems to be so much going in Isaacs favour?

The tweet, the exit poll, having 40 assists already and no Isaac, Sakurai focusing on the ballot, big picks like Ridley and K. Rool already out of the way......

After a while it starts feeling like there's so much going for your character that it can't possibly be real, like you're just imagining it.
I am getting a double dose of this feeling with bot Isaac and Geno. I just feel like they are both in this time. And its hard to let myself just believe. But I feel it stronger than any previous smash game and I have wanted Geno and Isaac since the days of the dojo leading up to brawl.

Such hype. <3
 
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Does anyone else find it a bit uncomfortable that there seems to be so much going in Isaacs favour?

The tweet, the exit poll, having 40 assists already and no Isaac, Sakurai focusing on the ballot, big picks like Ridley and K. Rool already out of the way......

After a while it starts feeling like there's so much going for your character that it can't possibly be real, like you're just imagining it.
There's also only been one new first party franchise added so far with Inklings. Hard to imagine Sakurai only adding one new franchise this smash installment and a low amount of new stages.

Ridley and K. Rool we're popular big requests and Sakurai showed them off early, so maybe Isaac could be next in line for one of the big popular requests.

Only way I don't see Isaac next goes back to Sakurai being a big jrpg fan and him wanting to save Isaac so that he can sit down and talk about Golden Sun and it's stage, echo etc. Like with Awakening and Xenoblade, pretty hard to imagine Sakurai not sitting down and playing Golden Sun at some point. Obligatory Rathalos tweet being a total GS reference mention.
 
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When Isaac hopefully gets in we need a video in this style called "THE SUN SHINES AGAIN" where we could have the Beatles song 'Here comes the sun' towards the end. It would be magnificent
I'm gonna vote for Aquarius (Let the Sunshine in) from Hair.
It is a lot more melodically powerful than "hear comes the sun," which far too mellow to capture the glory of getting Isaac in.

For those who need a Link to hear the song, jump to 2.17s.

Additionally, even though Aquarius is an air elemental, it is the water bearer, and could be used as a tail end for Alex as an echo.
Even if that is a serious pipe dream.
 

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Does anyone else find it a bit uncomfortable that there seems to be so much going in Isaacs favour?

The tweet, the exit poll, having 40 assists already and no Isaac, Sakurai focusing on the ballot, big picks like Ridley and K. Rool already out of the way......

After a while it starts feeling like there's so much going for your character that it can't possibly be real, like you're just imagining it.
Its uncomfortable because he and Ridley and k rool topped ballots since brawl

Just because you try hard doesnt mean you get in, is a worrisome quote
 

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Guys... I just figured why every anti-Isaac think he's juste an average swordman. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SEE PSYNERGY IF THEY'RE NOT ADEPTS !
That explains everything. :p

Also, I do hope GBA games ends up being released for the Switch.

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Billybae10K

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I'd say it's mainly because there's just nothing to really discuss (It's also a Saturday). I imagine once a new date for the Direct appears, the thread will pick up some traction, but it's nice to have a chill day every once in a while.
 

SonicLink125

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I'd say it's mainly because there's just nothing to really discuss (It's also a Saturday). I imagine once a new date for the Direct appears, the thread will pick up some traction, but it's nice to have a chill day every once in a while.
And for a lot of people to catch up from the 30+ pages we've had. It's a miracle that some of us were even able to keep up with this thread. Any Ridley & K. Rool fans confirm that's how it usually was like before?
 

Delta64

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And for a lot of people to catch up from the 30+ pages we've had. It's a miracle that some of us were even able to keep up with this thread. Any Ridley & K. Rool fans confirm that's how it usually was like before?
While I cannot speak for the K. Rool thread, the Ridley thread would move crazy fast. It was the largest speculation thread during the build up to Smash 4.
 

ferioku

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I think I'm actually going crazy guys, i keep getting these Isaac reveal dreams and then I wake up and im butt hurt. Ahhhhh I really wish these dreams became a reality... I'm really growing impatient now and I'm tired of speculations, I no longer want Isaac........

I need him to keep my sanity intact!!!:cry:
 
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Pyzlnar

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I think I'm actually going crazy guys, i keep getting these Isaac reveal dreams and then I wake up and im butt hurt. Ahhhhh I really wish these dreams became a reality... I'm really growing impatient now and I'm tired of speculations, I no longer want Isaac........

I need him to keep my sanity intact!!!:cry:
Seriously.
It's been three days straight where I have smash related dreams with Isaac on it.

The hype is real even if Im fully aware of the possibility he might not be in.
 
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