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Suicide Case May Lead to Bias Charges

Geist

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That's horrible... but I don't think their intentions ever stemmed from hate, to me it seems like they were just being stupid college kids.
That's the way I see it at least.
 

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They filmed a dude ****ing another dude then broadcasted it, that definitely seems like they were trying to cause that guy harm by outing him (assuming he wasn't openly gay)
 

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That's my school and my campus. I was tempted to post this article, but I felt that discussing such a topic would be inconsiderate to the aggrieved party at hand. What is there to possible consider that hasn't already been reported? Are we going to discuss the general issue of suicide or perhaps the invasion of privacy? Regardless, is it fair to discuss such matters in such an abstract and objective fashion when this ultimately ends up being an extremely personal issue? Perhaps it is my proximity to this instance that I am reluctant to advertise this piece of unsavory news any further. When Dharun Ravi becomes someone who I can easily find in five minutes and reach in twenty (email, living quarters, and so forth are accessible to the public) to what extent does the news seem objective, rather than being particularly invasive? It is emotionally boggling to be in proximity of a news piece.
 

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You can't charge the people who filmed it for the death, because they didn't kill him. Also, if society as a whole didn't have such an anti-gay attitude, then people wouldn't feel the need to commit suicide when they're outed.
 

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That's such a sad story.

To be fair the kids were just being arses and didn't know he was going to kill himself, invasion of privacy is all they should be charged with even though they were indirectly responsible for his death.
 

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It's a sad story, but his suicide should not result in charges to the other two teenagers, it's not like they were constantly harrassing him about it, they probably thought it was a one-time prank and that the other person would just be embarrassed, unfortunately, it seems the kid had a nervous breakdown and decided to take himself out of this world . . . . . .

EDIT: Did anyone else notice this is a story about a most-likely gay kid in the county of Middlesex?
 

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They filmed a dude ****ing another dude then broadcasted it, that definitely seems like they were trying to cause that guy harm by outing him (assuming he wasn't openly gay)
Bigotry and hatred can be distinguished from each other in this case, I think. Nowhere did it say those responsible were openly against his sexuality.
 

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I feel like society as a whole is at fault here. I don't think he was driven to suicide by this one event. I feel this event was just the final push.

Suicide is not something most take lightly... he probably made this decision after accumulating a lifetime's worth of pain. It's a shame really...

Also, 3 lives were pretty much lost. Those two kids' lives will never be the same.


Honestly I think gay rights activists are taking this a tad TOO far though. I highly doubt the two had the intention of killing him. I also think guilt from the whole situation is punishment enough... but that is just my opinnion.

As a gay person this really hits home to me though.

From firsthand experience, hiding yourself in the closet takes a great toll on you.
 
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I know that these two kids are being charged with invasion of privacy and putting up "porn" without the person's consent. However, you figure there would be some other kind of penalty they could be sentenced for. Oh well, the guilt of being "responsible" for a person's death should be justified enough.

Though a part of me hopes this kid drops the soap in the shower while he's in jail.
 

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I read about this earlier today and almost made a thread about it.

My view on this probably differs from most though.
Sure, what the two guys did was beyond ridiculous and pretty much unforgivable. But really, killing yourself over something like this is a bit overboard imo.

I wouldn't particularly enjoy having a vid of me having sex with another man being recorded and then put up on the internet, but I wouldn't be so upset as to kill myself over it. I'd man up and deal with it.
Seems like the guy was probably a bit miserable to begin with? Maybe even a bit mentally unstable? I mean think about it, would he magically have absolutely nothing to live for after knowing this video of himself was being watched by probably thousands? Sounds ridiculous to me. Yeah it'd be almost beyond embarrassing, but it's far from anything to kill yourself over.

He took the cowards way out and it's hard for me show any sympathy for a guy that's willing to end his life because of a prank some douchebags decided to pull.



EDIT: Just skimmed through the previous responses. Tiger kinda mentioned the point I was making already D:<
 

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Personally, in my opinion, stupidity from what the two kids did should be looked down upon more than the suicide. Really, it's stupidity like this that leads to bad things happening in this world.

Anyways, to defend this kid DTP, I understand where you're coming from, and I agree, but we aren't all strong human beings. Some people crack more easily under pressure than others. Who knows what was going on inside of his head? With all suicide stories, we rarely do find out the environment, teachings, and other things he was forced to deal with while growing up. Hell, even genetics come into play when we try to figure out who is better at what, and in this case, dealing with pressure. Just this past Tuesday, my school had a guy commit suicide by going around, shooting AK-47 bullets, and then blowing himself off in the head (it was all over the news). While he was not gay (at least I think), I'm sure there were reasons, while poor and "weak" in our eyes for him to do this.

Going back to this article, while he was not openly gay, someone who seems to get easily as distressed as him would probably be constantly looking over his shoulder or be careful with the actions he takes around people. I'm just thankful that I do not have a weak mental mind, and I don't crack like this so easily. Whether it is genetics, the environment I was blessed to live in, or whatever, I can see why some people would resort to suicide. Is it the right thing to do? Absolutely not. In fact, I do feel it's the coward's way out, but everyone's brain functions in different ways (both through thoughts and what neurons and parts of our brain working harder than others). It's sad how this story occurred, which drives me to my beginning point, stupidity should be punished more harshly. If only there could be a valid way of punishing it -_-.
 

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I'd like to know where people get this idea that suicide is the "coward's way out." Let me guess, each and every single one of you guys stare death in the ****ing face everyday and it doesn't scare you in the least. Life scares you more than death, so when you choose life (I mean, actively choose to live every single moment of your painful existence) you are choosing the harder path. Which makes every dip**** who slits their wrists in a bathtub some sorry sack of **** who just couldn't take it.

Am I right?
 

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I'd like to know where people get this idea that suicide is the "coward's way out." Let me guess, each and every single one of you guys stare death in the ****ing face everyday and it doesn't scare you in the least. Life scares you more than death, so when you choose life (I mean, actively choose to live every single moment of your painful existence) you are choosing the harder path. Which makes every dip**** who slits their wrists in a bathtub some sorry sack of **** who just couldn't take it.

Am I right?
I can understand your frustration but I felt like this was a bit inflammatory :S.

I agree though.
 

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Aw, man, I never get to rage on the internetz. =(

I am not in the best mood to be discussing matters pertaining to suicide. I guess I'll just leave it at that.
 

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Anyways, to defend this kid DTP, I understand where you're coming from, and I agree, but we aren't all strong human beings. Some people crack more easily under pressure than others. Who knows what was going on inside of his head? With all suicide stories, we rarely do find out the environment, teachings, and other things he was forced to deal with while growing up. Hell, even genetics come into play when we try to figure out who is better at what, and in this case, dealing with pressure. Just this past Tuesday, my school had a guy commit suicide by going around, shooting AK-47 bullets, and then blowing himself off in the head (it was all over the news). While he was not gay (at least I think), I'm sure there were reasons, while poor and "weak" in our eyes for him to do this.
Meh, I suppose you have a point. Can't expect everyone to make rational decisions lol
I'd like to know where people get this idea that suicide is the "coward's way out." Let me guess, each and every single one of you guys stare death in the ****ing face everyday and it doesn't scare you in the least. Life scares you more than death, so when you choose life (I mean, actively choose to live every single moment of your painful existence) you are choosing the harder path. Which makes every dip**** who slits their wrists in a bathtub some sorry sack of **** who just couldn't take it.

Am I right?
Sorry, I didn't really understand what you were trying to say here.
It was directed at me right?
 

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wtf

theres a video of mango teabagging shroomed (mango's nuts literally all on shroomed's face) and shroomed just won a tournament like two weekends ago, you dont see him killing himself

imo it was just a college dorm-room prank and the kids should be let off without legal action. maybe like community service or something. this kind of stuff literally does happen every day on college campuses...
 

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Sorry, I didn't really understand what you were trying to say here.
It was directed at me right?
It wasn't directed at anybody. I just may know too much about mental illness, and I forget that most people speak about things like that from a safe distance, that's all.

I just didn't expect you of all people to get mad haha.
Tiger, I am a seething pot of barely controllable rage 99% of the time. I just mask it really well.

On topic:
If I were a juror at this trial, I would make a decision based on how well the prosecution presented the case for malicious intent. If these kids acted knowing that this guy had problems and intending to mentally harm him, then they pose a degree of risk to the rest of society. If they acted out of hatred for homosexuals, then I would call it a hate crime. If not, if it was a prank gone wrong, then they're just idiots, and I would favor lesser sentences. Part of that is simply because I don't think locking them up for longer is gong to make them into better (or smarter) people. Longer jail time doesn't make you smarter, or anything. And I don't think it'd help prevent future occurrences.

I understand where LGBT activists are coming from. Every community is going to have a certain percentage of people that are prone to mental illness, depression, and suicidal tendencies. But when you add another stressor onto that pre-existing condition (society's homophobia for example), that makes living wtih a mental illness all that much more harder. If this were a straight kid who had been severely depressed, it's possible the outcome would have been the same. On the other hand, with society being more accepting of heterosexuality, maybe not.

That said, I don't think scapegoating some idiots for a prank is going to make the situation any better for other people, whether they are LGBT or people struggling with depression, or both. Solutions aren't that simple; you can't just string up some people as symbols and make homophobia or stupidity go away. Kind of wish it was that simple, but it isn't. And I think that LGBT activists can do better than scapegoating someone (assuming it was a prank and not a hate crime).

If I were the judge, I'd make the accused (if convicted) carry around that kid's picture and give talks at high schools or colleges for a year or so, explaining what they did, and trying to counsel other kids. That would be more beneficial, I think, than having taxpayers pay for their room and board at a correctional facility.

I remember a case years ago about some kids who stole a stop sign at an intersection. It caused an accident, and someone died. On one hand, those kids didn't act intending to kill anyone, and they didn't commit vehicular manslaughter, but they did pull a prank that cost someone their life. Of course, that case was more cut and dry than this one.
 

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It wasn't directed at anybody. I just may know too much about mental illness, and I forget that most people speak about things like that from a safe distance, that's all.
Ah, good to know lol
 
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wtf

theres a video of mango teabagging shroomed (mango's nuts literally all on shroomed's face) and shroomed just won a tournament like two weekends ago, you dont see him killing himself

imo it was just a college dorm-room prank and the kids should be let off without legal action. maybe like community service or something. this kind of stuff literally does happen every day on college campuses...
1. Link. Nao.
2. No, this is at the least criminal in that they filmed him without permission, and then put up a video of him having sex on the web, again without his permission. I honestly would look into if this was a hate crime or not, because it's pretty sick.
 
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