Q&A Structured Query Thread - R.O.B. Q&A

[NintenRob]

Oh, neat. They've updated the heads


Thats a lot of characters.

 

[Trekkerjoe]

They also updated the mains list. Seems I was wrong about it not being updated until overseas release. Glad I was wrong.

 

[Crome]

They also updated the mains list. Seems I was wrong about it not being updated until overseas release. Glad I was wrong.

I am too, I can finally update my signature.

 

[Trekkerjoe]

Oh, neat. They've updated the heads


Thats a lot of characters.

Count them. 64 playable characters(in spirit), and Sakurai himself counts them all as separate fighters. Mind==Blown

 

[Crome]

Count them. 64 playable characters(in spirit), and Sakurai himself counts them all as separate fighters. Mind==Blown

Sakurai doesn't count then seperate skins. Only if they have gameplay differences. We have 49 different characters, I believe.

Also, http://www.ssbwiki.com/R.O.B._(SSB4)

 

[Trekkerjoe]

Sakurai doesn't count then seperate skins. Only if they have gameplay differences. We have 49 different characters, I believe.

Oh, I see. 49 is still a massive amount of playable characters. If (Characters==49) {Mind==Still_Blown}

 

[CT Chia]

Overall buff, mostly due to USmash

 

[NintenRob]

How did you get 64?

Did you count the gender swap, WireFrame and Classic Wario as seperate?

Also the roster is 51, Mii's take up 3 characters just like PKMN trainer.

 

[Crome]

How did you get 64?

Did you count the gender swap, WireFrame and Classic Wario as seperate?

Also the roster is 51, Mii's take up 3 characters just like PKMN trainer.

I think he just counted all the individual flares.

 

[Mataata]

I looove playing as ROB. Probably my favorite in Brawl. How is he in 4?

 

[NintenRob]

I think he just counted all the individual flares.

Doubt it, I think that equals 66 because of Mii Fighters heads

 

[Trekkerjoe]

I did not count the mii fighter heads, due to them already being represented by their class icons.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I looove playing as ROB. Probably my favorite in Brawl. How is he in 4?

He's received several adjustments. The most notable ones are that his consecutive attacks (i.e. Arm Rotor and up aerial) now have finishers making them more practical, and his full charged Robo Beam now fires a large projectile that has limited range.

 

[DJ3DS]

I looove playing as ROB. Probably my favorite in Brawl. How is he in 4?

From the footage I have seen he looks very solid indeed:

- Recovery is as good as ever (and now has a Superman pose!)
- Projectile game is still great
- Side B has been buffed and has gone from awful to awesome
- F-Smash has changed (heard it's a buff but someone with the game should confirm)
- U-Smash is buffed with better range to the sides
- D-Smash seems very similar; I've heard more kill power somewhere
- N-Air is weaker but still seems decent
- U-Air is a kill move now!
- F-Air has nerfed knock back but still looks good for combos and gimps
- B-Air seems largely the same
- D-Air is noticeably faster
- Throws don't seem massively changed; U-Throw still kills and D-Throw comboes into U-Air quite well from one video I saw.
- Spot Dodge and Rolls seem the same.
- Haven't noticed any difference in tilts

At least from my perspective it seems as if R.O.B. has been buffed a decent amount - although I have read others saying the opposite. It would be great to hear the perspective of any R.O.B. players who have the game on this.

 

[Trekkerjoe]

The side B is good for mix-ups... on the ground at least. What does ROB have for midair mix-ups? Is the side B good in the air too?

 

[PowerHungryFool]

How competitively viable do you think ROB will be in sm4sh? Do you think we will see a rise in ROB mains and possibly major tournaments won with him?

 

[NintenRob]

How much speed does R.O.B. have? Including Ground, Air and Attack speed?

 

[CT Chia]

The side B is good for mix-ups... on the ground at least. What does ROB have for midair mix-ups? Is the side B good in the air too?

He doesn't really mix up in the air as much, but instead bait out air dodges and force frame traps onto his opponents with the use of uair and nair. This is all Brawl stuff and didn't really change in 3DS.

How competitively viable do you think ROB will be in sm4sh? Do you think we will see a rise in ROB mains and possibly major tournaments won with him?

Atm he's good, but I'm honestly worried that it's the syndrome from Brawl where he starts out good, then drops. He is better than Brawl, but I still feel that he's punishable in some similar type aspects that can cause him to drop, though things like a more reliable reflector, better recovery, and usmash will help him a lot. I don't think the usage of him will rise toooo much, since he's still a very awkward character from the rest of the cast that doesn't play similar to anyone too much, so people can't easily pick him up without some dedication.

How much speed does R.O.B. have? Including Ground, Air and Attack speed?

His attacks seem faster or the same, and minimal landing lag compared to the cast overall. His dash speed is around the same. His falling speed seems to be greater (ty). His horizontal air speed is the same or worse, and is definitely worse while in up B (one of the worst nerfs to him, but recoveries across the board in this game were nerfed).

 

[NintenRob]

He doesn't really mix up in the air as much, but instead bait out air dodges and force frame traps onto his opponents with the use of uair and nair. This is all Brawl stuff and didn't really change in 3DS.



Atm he's good, but I'm honestly worried that it's the syndrome from Brawl where he starts out good, then drops. He is better than Brawl, but I still feel that he's punishable in some similar type aspects that can cause him to drop, though things like a more reliable reflector, better recovery, and usmash will help him a lot. I don't think the usage of him will rise toooo much, since he's still a very awkward character from the rest of the cast that doesn't play similar to anyone too much, so people can't easily pick him up without some dedication.



His attacks seem faster or the same, and minimal landing lag compared to the cast overall. His dash speed is around the same. His falling speed seems to be greater (ty). His horizontal air speed is the same or worse, and is definitely worse while in up B (one of the worst nerfs to him, but recoveries across the board in this game were nerfed).

Huh? I thought most recoveries have been buffed.

Vertically anyway. Oh well, Recovery was something R.O.B. had plenty of, a little less shouldn't hurt him much.

 

[adom4]

Are any of R.O.B's customs worth using?

 

[NintenRob]

According to this http://smashbros-miiverse.com/items/trophies

R.O.B. has 4 trophies, and I don't like what it suggests.

It seems to suggest that NES R.O.B. will be R.O.B.s Default overseas. Can anyone compare the two R.O.B. renders to the one in the leak?

Please don't let this be the case.

 

[DJ3DS]

According to this http://smashbros-miiverse.com/items/trophies

R.O.B. has 4 trophies, and I don't like what it suggests.

It seems to suggest that NES R.O.B. will be R.O.B.s Default overseas. Can anyone compare the two R.O.B. renders to the one in the leak?

Please don't let this be the case.

I seem to be missing one - the three I've found are 459, 511 and 521. Either way, every character seems to have an additional trophy with an alternate colour (And no way is Red Rosalina going to be default anywhere, for example) so I don't see how the trophies suggest that. Moreover, if both colours and both trophies are available in each region I don't see what the problem is either way.

 

[KingChaos]

Can you still short hop double fair?

 

[Crome]

Does he transfer over well from brawl rob? Were you able to jump in and pretty much get what you were doing?

 

[slimjim]

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[Crome]

I think ROB has a very good chance of being top tier, or at least higher than c- tier.
ROB has always been know for his gimp ability, it was prominent in brawl and it hasn't seemed to be changed.
But, in brawl he dropped on the tier list due to his lack of kill moves and slow falling speed. Both of these things have changed.
He still doesn't have a lot of good kill moves, but his gimp ability is as good as ever. In smash bros 4, it looks like gimping is the primary way of KOing people. I think he will be in the higher tiers due to his good recovery and gimpability.

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Sorry for the unorganized post, wrote it in 2 minutes and was very rushed

According to this http://smashbros-miiverse.com/items/trophies

R.O.B. has 4 trophies, and I don't like what it suggests.

It seems to suggest that NES R.O.B. will be R.O.B.s Default overseas. Can anyone compare the two R.O.B. renders to the one in the leak?

Please don't let this be the case.

Even if NES was default, why does it matter? Press X once and you're good. Plus smash hros 4 remembers your colors this time around.

 

[DJ3DS]

I think ROB has a very good chance of being top tier, or at least higher than c- tier.
ROB has always been know for his gimp ability, it was prominent in brawl and it hasn't seemed to be changed.
But, in brawl he dropped on the tier list due to his lack of kill moves and slow falling speed. Both of these things have changed.
He still doesn't have a lot of good kill moves, but his gimp ability is as good as ever. In smash bros 4, it looks like gimping is the primary way of KOing people. I think he will be in the higher tiers due to his good recovery and gimpability.

Between the new F-Smash and Side B as well as buffed Up Smash and Up Air, R.O.B. looks to be a bit better at taking the stock now.

I'll straight up admit to having never been involved in a competitive smash scene but from what I have read, wasn't Meta Knight's ubiquity one of the reasons R.O.B. fell down the tier list thanks to his unfavourable matchup? With MK nerfed, it being less common and potentially having a more even matchup against R.O.B. could feasibly result in R.O.B. performing better without even considering whether he has been buffed.

 

[Crome]

Between the new F-Smash and Side B as well as buffed Up Smash and Up Air, R.O.B. looks to be a bit better at taking the stock now.

I'll straight up admit to having never been involved in a competitive smash scene but from what I have read, wasn't the Meta Knight's ubiquity one of the reasons R.O.B. fell down the tier list thanks to his unfavourable matchup? With MK nerfed, it being less common and potentially having a more even matchup against R.O.B. could feasibly result in R.O.B. performing better without even considering whet

Robs terrible match up was a deciding factor in his tier placement, yes.

 

[Trekkerjoe]

Robs terrible match up was a deciding factor in his tier placement, yes.

I agree. I remember coming across this: http://www.ssbwiki.com/R.O.B._(SSBB)#Tier_placement_and_history Very interesting. Metaknight did affect ROBs placement in the tier list. I wonder if Metaknight being nefed means characters like ROB would be more competitive. Aside from his buffs, of course.

 

[Crome]

I agree. I remember coming across this: http://www.ssbwiki.com/R.O.B._(SSBB)#Tier_placement_and_history Very interesting. Metaknight did affect ROBs placement in the tier list. I wonder if Metaknight being nefed means characters like ROB would be more competitive. Aside from his buffs, of course.

Possibly. I'm not sure of meta knight changes, but unless he got some really good kill moves Rob v Mk might be a good match up

 

[Trekkerjoe]

Ill be happy when I get the game so that I can smash in that masked face! I don't really have any animosity towards metaknight, but it sounds fun.

 

[Masonomace]

Hey @ CT Chia , what do you think about 's Gyro having an active hit-box while charging it?
Video for reference:
Video Example

It's at 9:08. Thoughts?

 

[NintenRob]

Well, comparing NES R.O.B. to the leaked R.O.B., I don't think they match

Looks closer to red, which means Famicon is the default I think.

Although they could change, since the Tharja Trophy was removed. I still prefer having the superior red design as default, even if it doesn't take much to switch over.

What do you guys think?

 

[Trekkerjoe]

I can see it. The slightly tan hue of ROB matches the slightly tan hue of the leak. People would argue that it is pixel bleed, but you could always refer to the more high-quality pictures that confirmed the leak, and it would be the same.

 

[Heartstring]

Enjoying the look of ROB a lot in this. I wholly expected to not care about him after using him for years in brawl and being underwhelmed with that I saw of him (initially) in this game. I'm ready to main this beast!

 

[FalKoopa]

Well, since every other character forum has a Q&A thread, I edited the title and stickied it. That okay with you, @ CT Chia ?

 

[Crome]

Well, comparing NES R.O.B. to the leaked R.O.B., I don't think they match

Looks closer to red, which means Famicon is the default I think.

Although they could change, since the Tharja Trophy was removed. I still prefer having the superior red design as default, even if it doesn't take much to switch over.

What do you guys think?

I don't understand why this worries you so much. Do you see my avatar? That's the "ROBOT unlocked!!" Screen. His default is famicom colors.

 

[CT Chia]

Are any of R.O.B's customs worth using?

Comes down to preference, but I think so. They don't make a huge difference tbqh. I like the quicker upB and used to like fire gyro but not anymore. Fire gyro does more damage I believe but less range on shooting it.

Can you still short hop double fair?

Nope :/

Does he transfer over well from brawl rob? Were you able to jump in and pretty much get what you were doing?

Yeah, it was a pretty easy transition. Some changes for sure, but not bad.

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Sorta yes, but you need to be careful due to invincibility changes. Don't focus on it.

Hey @ CT Chia , what do you think about 's Gyro having an active hit-box while charging it?
Video for reference:
Video Example

It's at 9:08. Thoughts?

I don't believe that's what it was - I think he was just shooting it. It comes out VERY fast in Smash 4 compared to Brawl.

Well, since every other character forum has a Q&A thread, I edited the title and stickied it. That okay with you, @ CT Chia ?

Close enough

 

[Trekkerjoe]

Is it just me, or does ROB have slightly less air time? Also, what is the difference between ROBs up-b alts; How do they work differently from each other?

 

[Crome]

Is it just me, or does ROB have slightly less air time? Also, what is the difference between ROBs up-b alts; How do they work differently from each other?

I can give you some barebones answers

Robs fall speed is faster.

Rob has his normal Up B, a single Up B that spikes, but just gives 1 boost, and an up b that makes it easier for him to move horizontally.