Street Fighter

[shinehex]

lol I love it when Akuma says that. I second Akuma he is the ultimate shoto. Other then him I would like to see Felicia(Dark Stalkers) in a Smash title.

And yes I know she is not from SF.

Yay Felicia. Come on who does'nt like catgirls? Especially when they are naked
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-Gill's power lies in his own perfect balance of forces. This balance is so profound it is evident in his own body, with the opposing forces of fire and ice separated in perfect symmetry. Gill has the power to align this balance in those worthy of his touch.

-Gill is trying to master the 66 fighting techniques of the Illuminati, which no one has ever possessed at the same time. This may be due to the fact that the Illuminati's DNA manipulation can only provide a subject with a maximum of three elements; fire, ice, and "miracle", in Gill's case, or metal, earth, and electricity in Urien's.

Gill is also gansta.

 

[Renesor]

Yay Felicia. Come on who does'nt like catgirls? Especially when they are naked
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-Gill's power lies in his own perfect balance of forces. This balance is so profound it is evident in his own body, with the opposing forces of fire and ice separated in perfect symmetry. Gill has the power to align this balance in those worthy of his touch.

-Gill is trying to master the 66 fighting techniques of the Illuminati, which no one has ever possessed at the same time. This may be due to the fact that the Illuminati's DNA manipulation can only provide a subject with a maximum of three elements; fire, ice, and "miracle", in Gill's case, or metal, earth, and electricity in Urien's.

Gill is also gansta.

Gill and felicia and Urien and Hugo....what is it with you and pornographic fighters?? For gods sake, tell Gill and Urien to put their clothes on when they fight, tell Makoto to stop...doing what she does...to gill, and tell Hugo to stop the ****, its not kool

 

[Ky Kiske]

Ok, this is a rather.....interesting discussion.

Sakura is pretty cool, I mean, just look at her overhead kick attack.

 

[shinehex]

Ok, this is a rather.....interesting discussion.

Sakura is pretty cool, I mean, just look at her overhead kick attack.

Hmm... *thinks about Sakura's overhead kick and drools* ....Um what was I doing just now? I think it envolved purple.

Oh yeah Renesor It's not my fault Alex and Urien like to party. Thats where Hugo gets his...influence. Hence their special intro. ( rips off clothes)

Milan said that Gill told Makoto to stop twisting it becuase it's hard for him to recover from that.

 

[smashprincess_mai]

Lol. What are u dudes talking about it sounds funny with the Porno characters and all.

 

[OneWingSephiroth]

You won't think she's so cool when in A3 or CvsS2 and you see a good Sakura player do "Sho-Sho-Sho-Sho". That stuff is just downright dangerous and powerful because you have guard breaks in both games so once blocked...your basically almost screwed. Shinehex, I would agree with the other person who posted above, if you want to go to 3S tournaments, just check out srk.com, that is the place to find any tournament for 3S.

As for SF3 having all characters in one, quite honestly, I wouldn't mind, however I'm glad that we got a perfect 3S conversion, because now with it being availabe on the homeconsole, it can be used for tournaments, plus it has sparked more interest in the game. However the idea of having all characters from all three SF3 games put into one wouldn't be a bad idea at all, I mean for HSF2 AE everyone thought it would become a "broken" mess, because everyone thought that CE/Hyper characters where going to walk over everyone, yet you'd be surprised to how well even the ST characters can do against them.

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing one, because seriously, I'd love to use 2ndImpact Ryu up against some of the people who I play against in 3S who utilize guys like Makoto, Yun, Ken and Chunli..., why 2ndImpact Ryu?...well, let's put it this way...2 Stock Denjin FTFW!!! Also, if I really want to be a pain...2ndImpact Ibuki...I swear, she was "almost" as ******** as T4 Jin in some cases.

However atm, I'm enjoying alot of HSF2 AE actually, three of my brother's, a few close friends, cousins, and peeps from the OldSchool day's (Yep, we used to play at the arcades in SF2 back in the early to mid 90's alot) and gather from time to time since this summer began and we've had our own little tournaments. The neat thing is, that we all for the most part play different characters from one another, I mean for examples...a buddy of mine plays Ce/ST. Vega, my three brothers, one plays specifically CE. Bison, the other CE/ST. Ken, and the last plays only CE. Guile, while another buddy plays a Fei-Long, another CE/OG Sagat, we even have a Balrog player, E. Honda, Blanka, ST. Ryu player and even a Zangief player.

Who do I play?....Turbo/CE Ryu of course! So diversity is pretty vast for us, I guess since this summer, I'm reliving a "part" of what happened years ago in SF2. Plus in these "mini" fun tournaments we usually do buy in's which are a minimum of $25 dollars and goes as high as $50 dollars per person...so these mini tournaments on average are well over $500+.

Once money is on the line...it's a Dog Eat Dog World, I'm very glad Capcom released HSF2 AE.

 

[Ky Kiske]

I wish I could relive the SF era. Not many people I know play SF games but I do have HSF2 AE. Haven't played it for a bit though since GGXX Slash is taking up some of my time along with a lot of other games I still have yet to play and complete. I guess I could pop it in every now and then.

 

[Renesor]

The idea of putting all of the street fighters into one game is a nice idea...but only if they either downgrade gill or give him some f ing clothes to wear...him and his brother and alex and hugo need to know when its time to party....and how dare they not invite chunlee into the party...

Also they need to give akuma some defense, im cereal, it really shouldn't be possible that this super evil shotokan master would die if gill taps him on the shoulder...thats sad...

 

[shinehex]

The idea of putting all of the street fighters into one game is a nice idea...but only if they either downgrade gill or give him some f ing clothes to wear...him and his brother and alex and hugo need to know when its time to party....and how dare they not invite chunlee into the party...

Also they need to give akuma some defense, im cereal, it really shouldn't be possible that this super evil shotokan master would die if gill taps him on the shoulder...thats sad...

lol I like the part about Gill taping him on the shoulder. I wish they would make another Street Fighter game. But if they did they should re-draw the sprites. Some people rag on Capcom for reused sprites. I like the animation in Guilty Gear it's very smooth. If the make another 2-D SF I say it should look and play like a combination of Alpha 3, 3rd Strike, and Guilty Gear

 

[Ky Kiske]

His stamina is mainly a balancing factor. He's the most versatile of the shotos and he has a good pressure game. But one slipup and he eats tons of damage. But think about it, he can combo INTO Raging Demon! And he has access to it regardless of which super art he's using.

 

[rockman2k1]

Akuma is still hella good. But yea, the random hits he takes is all he needs to lose the round. But he can get guaranteed level 2's in 3S, either off hurrican kicks, or random anti-air's. He's like Yun with low defense (and easy to get supers for mad damage). It's just his defense that lowers him. It would be the same if Chun did'nt have something like b. fierce or hitconfirm into SA II.

 

[shinehex]

Which one of Akuma's Max Super Arts do they recommend?

 

[Renesor]

The haduken special thingy is akuma's recommended super art. I like art.

 

[shinehex]

The haduken special thingy is akuma's recommended super art. I like art.

I meant out of the Raging Demon and the Gates of Hell

 

[OneWingSephiroth]

I for one am glad that Gouki(Akuma) has weak defense, because if he didn't, he would seriously be an extremely strong character. I mean, let's just say for example if he had the defensive and stun bar of someone say Ryu, well...with this simple upgrade alone, it would shoot him up the tiers listing. This would mean that his badmatchup with Makoto, would no longer be such a bad matchup because Gouki's low stamina was the single reason why Makoto can eat him alive.

If your talking about rushdown, Gouki simply has basically the best rushdown game in 3S. He has so many options, that he simply needs this weak defense and short stun bar so he wouldn't be so overly powerful. I would say that if he had the defensive power and stunbar of someone like Ryu, Gouki imo would easily be in the Top 4, either tied with Makoto, or even being better than her, and maybe even on par with Yun, Chunli and Ken.

Gouki is still very strong, I do remember in Japan they ranked Gouki 6th overall, the only characters better than him over there was Yun, Chun, Ken, Makoto, and Yang. I mean, if he was to ever get an upgrade in defensive power and a longer stun bar, then he would need to recieve some other form of a tone down, because with these boost and no tone downs after then, he is easily going to be one of the best characters in the game.

Besides, Gouki had his time, he was easily #2 in 2ndImpact, with only Ibuki being better than him, although those two where easily Top Tier. I mean, I could just imagine if they left Ryu with 2-stocked denjin and if my memory serves me correctly, the denjin bars where shorter than the one in 3S as well...this would've made Ryu a monster in 3S. Ex-options + Denjin, or 2 fully stocked Denjin would pratically mean 1 round guaranteed if the first one landed, but oh well, I don't mind playing Ryu the way he is in 3S, still good.

Renesor I don't understand why you would want to downgrade Gill, because he is the boss of the game and he's supposed to be ridiculously overpowered. Plus he's not tournament legal anyhow, so it doesn't really matter. I mean, he's equivelant to Gouki in SSF2T...well, maybe not as ridiculous but he's up there, I don't mind Gill being powerful, as stated before, he's a non tournament character and he's a boss, he has everyright to be overpowered.

On a note, imo, I believe in the US, we are severely underplaying Yang, imo, he's better than Yun overall...however since Yun has the Genei-Jin super, that makes him #1 however if you where to remove that it would be Yang>Yun, the younger brother has so much potential but he's overshadowed by his Genei-Jin older brother.

 

[RT]

Anybody here at EVO/know someone who is at EVO? I really wanted to go, but school starts Monday. I've heard crazy stuff has already happened.

 

[Ky Kiske]

I agree. Yang's normals and specials are better than Yun's because the only reason Yun's moves look so much better is because the Genei Jin improves all their attributes.

 

[shinehex]

I prefer Yun's Normals and Specials then Yang's. But I think Yang's Super Arts are way better with exception to Seiei-Enbu.

 

[OneWingSephiroth]

Haha, Alex Valle is on a tear, he's in the winner's bracket for HSF2 AE(I remember seeing him use T/ST. Ryu alot during the qualifiers, but I dunno if he's using Ryu still again, but if he is, then Valle I'm going to vote Valle for the win...yes, I'm bias towards Ryu players, go figure eh), and CaliPower(Valle) knocks Daigo out of the 3S tournament...this is just sick news. I'm wondering if CaliPower did it with his Ryu/SAIII...because if he did, hahaha, sweet stuff, this feels good after what took place at SBO early this year in 3S.

I don't know of anything else atm, but I will post up as things come out, peace!

 

[Ky Kiske]

Good. Keep us up to date. Valle knocked Daigo out of the 3S tournament? That's insane, because Daigo is THE Beast. Does Valle normally play Ryu in 3S? Because if he did, that's pretty sick. Ryu vs Ken, and Ken is normally the favorite in that mathup. Hopefully a video of it comes up sometime.

 

[OneWingSephiroth]

Check out my new Evo thread I just made ...and sadly, it wasn't Ryu that Valle used, but Ken...still Ken vs. Ken, you would still think Daigo would take it because he's a well renowned Ken player. However history has already written itself, I really can't wait for tommorow, or should I say, today's final results.

 

[Ky Kiske]

Ah dang, it would have been nice to see him win that match with Ryu but the fact that he even beat Daigo is surprising enough because Daigo is most famous for his beastly Ken.

 

[The Jive Professor]

Geez, I've been away for too long, but it's good to see the thread is thriving!

I had heard that Valle knocked Daigo out in ST, but I'll check the Evo boards at SRK in a few minutes.

Akuma has the lowest stamina in the game, and I think it's rightfully so as he is THE rushdown character in 3s. The real problem is that he's so polar it's hard to use him in tournies. If one decent Makoto shows up, Akuma is done for. All Makoto needs is one opening and it's a 100% combo on Akuma. This is why most people in the tournament scene prefer Ryu/Ken, even though their offensive options and combo potential isn't as diverse as Akuma's.

Yang is a far better character than Yun if we don't factor in Genei-Jin. His normals are quick and have really good priority. Primarily you need to focus on punishing everything your opponent does with 3x Mantis Slash. It will ruin their game.

 

[Ky Kiske]

Valle knocked Daigo out of the ST tournament too? Are you serious? The fact that he already knocked him out of the 3S tourney was already a surprise, but to knock him out of another tourney, dang.

 

[The Jive Professor]

No, wait, looks like he DID knock him out of 3s. Lemme check the ST section, maybe he got him out of that too...in any case I heard there was some Valle/Umehara beef and Valle brought it and then some in ST.

 

[Gory snake]

Im a big fan of street fighter, but Im probably no where near as good as you guys but I was just wondering could someone tell me how to get the secret -isms in street fighter alpha anthology?

 

[shinehex]

One question I don't street fighter tournamnets like some of you but is Daigo the dude that parried Chunli's super art for the win....and I think you have to hold select and press start on alpha 3. I think, so if i'm wrong don't bite my head off.

 

[Ky Kiske]

Yeah, Daigo is the player that parried Chun Li's super art II for the win back in 2004. As for the secret -isms in Alpha Anthology, I haven't even gotten them yet. =\

 

[rockman2k1]

For Alpha collection, the secert Ism's are already unlocked when you unlock Hyper Alpha.

As for Daigo. A friend that went there was saying that Daigo had missed so many super's with Ken that could have won him the game. Valle was even saying himself that he was'nt satiysfied with his win cause Daigo was'nt "at his best"

But this just goes to show that "The Beast" is'nt unbeatable. This also shows that U.S. is hella talented. And we are hella good at ST no doubt.

 

[The Jive Professor]

US 3s players on the whole just need to up our game and evolve. The scene is pitiful and stagnant. We've got to learn to punish repetition and cheap tricks, because that's what most folks live and die by.

 

[Brightside6382]

US 3s players on the whole just need to up our game and evolve. The scene is pitiful and stagnant. We've got to learn to punish repetition and cheap tricks, because that's what most folks live and die by.

lol easier said then done. But anywho, in reality I really think US 3s players have already started stepping up their games. Look at Jwong and Valle, they are doing great in 3's and are giving Japanese players one hell of a hard time at evo. Also you gotta add into the fact that 3S is one hell of a hard game to get good at and play at a competative level.

 

[Ky Kiske]

It's a game that's not that hard to execute in but hard to win at. At higher levels your mind games and spacing must be top notch.

 

[The Jive Professor]

The execution in 3s isn't hard in an of itself, but when you have to play your mind games just right and then be able to pull out the specific combo/super-cancel on the fly, it gets crazy. It's all mind-games and mixups, like an episode of Get Smart or something.

Yes, there are good 3s players, and the US overall did very well this year at Evo, but by and large our 3s game is sub-par, in my experience.

 

[OneWingSephiroth]

I like 3S and all, but I'm more of an oldschool player, I was especially hyped at HSF2:AE and what took place, and how we knocked out many of the japense players, and having two our US players placing 2nd and 1st. I knew at the beginning that CE. Bison was going to be a force, and I was correct, and I'm so glad that Nelson used CE. Ryu, because I've felt that him with T. Ryu where extremely strong characters in AE, however imo, there where alot of ST players playing AE, and not enough OG players playing it, so it was more ST dominated.

I'm glad at the outcome though for both games, although Valle may not have enjoyed his win in 3S as much, he should've at least enjoyed his win in ST against Daigo. I believe it's only a matter of time before we start playing 3S on a more closer footing then we do now, I mean, it's getting better, and it's definetly not getting any worse.

I was just so dissappointed and sadden that Jeff didn't enter in the HSF2:AE, because if he did, I believe he would've taken it completely. However Crayfish did talk to him, and Jeff said that he wouldn't be going to it...so sad really, I wanted more OG players in AE, but there's always next year, so here's hoping.

 

[rockman2k1]

To me, after Texas Showdown 6, I can't really stand 3rd Strike anymore. It just feels too slow, and I hate a majority of the characters. Super Turbo however, is just awesome. While footsies are cruical in both games, it just seems faster. lol

But whatever, ST arcade perfect at next Evo for the win! Now if I just had people to play! lol

 

[Ky Kiske]

I don't understand why Capcom couldn't get arcade perfect ports to the consoles right the first time. ST has been on how many consoles and it's only getting a perfect arcade port only recently? And 3S, Dreamcast had some issues with some of the other characters that weren't in the arcade version. Oh man, and don't get me started on the Alpha games. Why did it take them so long? <.<

I think ST is pretty fun but it's so hard to execute in that game. I simply can't do a cr.MK -> super at all in that game. It comes out every 1 out of 10 tries. And I screw up DP motions so often in that game too.

 

[OneWingSephiroth]

I wouldn't mind ST. again, however, I will admit, and have always admitted, but ST. is my most disliked SF2 OG game. The biggest reason is the "super special", I just don't like how much of a factor that can play in to your game. My all time favorite was Street Fighter II Turbo/Hyper Fighting, and the only reason why I like AE is the ability to choose any character and fight one another. It's just sad how everyone complains about CE. Bison, I will agree he's stupidly good, however back in the day, people learned to deal with him, and for me, it's just that many of today's gamers don't know how to deal with him, or have forgotten how too.

He's still a threat no matter what, but if your playing like for instance, Guile or a shoto, it shouldn't be that big of a problem anymore. Anyways, aside from that, I'm just happy that SF2 is getting more lime light again, I like it far more than 3S, and it's not even a question, SF2 does play faster than 3S, frame wise, SF2 is faster, everything moves faster, comes out quicker, the damage is also higher as well, so the pace of the game goes faster. Yes, it is indeed more technical to play, if your talking about command input, because back in the SF2 days, you needed a more flawless execution, where in newer SF games, the execution is more leniant.

Things like c.mk into Shinkuu-Hadouken where tough to do in ST, yet in 3S achieving the same combo is very easy, heck your mother, grandmather, great grandfather could do it. Even a simple combo back in CE/Hyper with Ryu, like his very good move of c.lk, s.fp, fp Hadouken...try doing that combo...looks easy right, but the timing from c.lk to s.fp is hard, and takes timing to get it right, otherwise, it won't connect, allowing the opponent to block.

Execution wise, things where harder to do back in the oldschool days.

 

[Ky Kiske]

OMG linking 2 moves was a real ***** to do in the original SF2 games. 3S has bigger cancel windows (though still pretty small compared to other fighting games). the c.lk,s.fp link, how exactly would one know if they timed it correctly? Because back in those days, the games didn't have a combo counter to show which hits comboed. In AE the counter will show up if it's done correctly and it doesn't matter which version of the character you're using. But yeah, I can't cancel medium strength attacks into supers in ST. They're just so ridiculously hard. And some people think c.lk,c.lk-> super is hard in 3S. That doesn't even come close. <.<

 

[OneWingSephiroth]

That's how it was back in the day, doing the links where tough. I guess that's the sole reason why I get rather frustrated at times when in 3S someone tells me that doing a c.mk into Shinkuu or c.mk in Shippu-Jinrai are "tough"...yet they have no idea. If your doing Urien's unblockables okay, now that takes effort, if your trying to utilize Genei-Jin effectively, okay, now that takes effort...but if your crying about how hard it is to do c.mk into SAII with Chunli because you believe it's tough .

Anyways, I've been playing AE alot, two of my brothers, a few of my cousins, friends, and some old peeps back in the days get together quite often now and do random tournaments for ourselves, the money pot can be more than $500+, most ever was almost $900. With that much money on the line, alot of trash talking starts to happen, as well some crazy competetive play...I love it because it reminds of the old days when of the days when all of us used to play SF2 at the arcades, since all of us playing now where doing that back in the day.

On a note, I completely hate fighting T. Balrog when I'm playing CE/Turbo Ryu...**** inv. frame turnpunch...gah...Ryu's worst matchup in AE imo.

 

[Ky Kiske]

Cancelling a medium attack into super is not hard AT ALL in 3S. If you play Chun in 3S and can't even cancel her cr.mk into SAII, you might as well not be playing her at all. It's what makes her so powerful.