Street Fighter IV *Super, AE and Ver.2012*

[Omni]

I agree that Viper is insane from an execution standpoint. I agree she's 'insane' from a strategy standpoint as well, but I think that applies to all characters. Every character has their own type of standard strategy; Viper's is just very hardcore mix-ups similar to Akuma, Makoto, and Yun.

Lowering the execution barrier IMO is never good. If you want lowered execution look at SF4 for the 3DS. Press a button; do a special; press a button; do an ultra. When EVERYONE can pull off some of the hardest combos or the most damaging combos regardless of skill level, the level of skill required to play decreases dramatically.

Execution is one of many aspects of what makes a player a good player. It applies in all video games: Starcraft 2 (micro), Melee (Fox/Falco), Brawl (...). Removing an aspect of skill from a competitive based video game reduces the skill level required to be good. For example, let's say we removed the "strategy" part and only execution mattered. Yeah, you can still have a very competitive game, but it takes away from what was there.

In regards to combos, well, who cares about combos if they're easy to do? Wow, I did a 24 hit combo by pressing a very simple and easy series of buttons. No one cares. Or... wow, I did a 8 hit combo by linking 3-4 1 frame links. Jesus this guy is a monster.

 

[Big-Cat]

I don't care if a combo is hard to do or not. I like it more if the combo looks neat, but again, I don't give a damn about how hard it is.

Now let's look at those easier specials and Ultras. It's very clear that some specials were not meant for such a thing with clear examples being charge attacks and ultra grabs as those require the player to be in a specific condition to do them. If these had been one button attacks, they would've been nerfed. On the other hand, doing a hadouken or a thunder knuckle with one button wouldn't change much of anything in the long run.

Execution is important for any player, but what also matters is whether or not you can apply it right (Do I have to reiterate this again?). I could do 60 one frame links in a row, but that's not going to necessarily help me in a real match.

People put way too much emphasis on execution and not on application.

 

[Omni]

I agree.

My point is the combination of both execution and application creates a higher skill level to achieve. Both are equally important especially considering the concept of a fighting game or a video game in general: the technical aspect and the application aspect.

Removing or severely diminishing one of those aspects IMO lowers the skill bar required to play at high levels of play.

 

[Sunnysunny]

I'll admit. Only reason i'm playing SSF4 again is because of 3rd strike online coming out. :D

Almost forgot how hilarious necros voice is~!
"LESS GET IT ON!"

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

!!

I'll admit. Only reason i'm playing SSF4 again is because of 3rd strike online coming out. :D

No offense, but why? Completely different game :/

Almost forgot how hilarious necros voice is~!
"LESS GET IT ON!"

YOU DIED, HAHAHA!

 

[Xyless]

Does anyone have SSFIV on 3DS? I'm too lazy to go through the topic and see if anyone put their friend code on.

edit: and Grapplers have terrible footsies, but you have to make them good at it, which is another reason I hate grapplers.

Gief and Abel have good footsies in comparison to the rest of the grapplers.

 

[ETWIST51294]

I

Know

This.

And Abel doesn't count. Abel plays nothing like a grappler. He just happens to be a rushdown character with a cmd grab.

YOU DIED, HAHAHA!

GET READY TO DIE

KILL CRUSH EYAAA DIE (he said it in 2i)

AEGIS REFLECTOR

*stab myself in the chest for losing*

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I

Know

This.

And Abel doesn't count. Abel plays nothing like a grappler. He just happens to be a rushdown character with a cmd grab.

I lol'd. So true.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Lythium]

Those rekkas...

 

[Sunnysunny]

No offense, but why? Completely different game :/



YOU DIED, HAHAHA!

Urien was such a ****!!
Also his name makes me think of peeing.

No offense takin. I'm playing SSF4 to get a better understanding of spacing and the buffering system. I usually play MvC3 where you can just mash your combos out. :V


OH also I was listening to this video that had the voice track of all the 3rd strike characters.

I was skipping threw it and landed on gills "RESURRECTION!"
I couldn't help but blurt out "YOU *** HOLE!"

 

[ETWIST51294]

Urien is the best SF character of all time

yeah I said it.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Idk why people hated some of the later Alpha and III characters.

 

[Minato]

Idk why people hated some of the later Alpha and III characters.

I think they mostly hated V-ism and parries rather than the characters.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Kurando took parrying to trolling levels. Seriously. Go check out that doods Q. :D

I liked the 3rd strike characters! They were just so bizarre ya know? Likable bizarre. Like hakan! Too bad all of em were crap tier. ._.

 

[ETWIST51294]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNnKffR5qMM&feature=feedu#t=8m00s

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Hakan is playable in AE that's all that couts

 

[o-Serin-o]

He's so boo boo though.

 

[Big-Cat]

Then who's so Yogi?

 

[Smooth Criminal]

"Hey Boo Boo! Where are the pic-a-nic baskets?"

Smooth Criminal

 

[o-Serin-o]

^ I wonder how long it took him to make that.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I didn't make it.

The Internet is a great thing (sometimes).

Smooth Criminal

 

[ThreeX]

My Yang is ****in sick.

 

[Sunnysunny]

My Yang is ****ing garbage.


'~'

 

[ETWIST51294]

My Yang is ****in sick.

You quitin Akuma?

 

[ThreeX]

Naah man, once a demon always a demon :3 Yang and E.ryu are madd fun though. You still rollin' Cody or have you joined the dark side?



P.S. Thanks for the msg on srk<3 lmaoo

 

[ETWIST51294]

LOL NP

But nah, I'm soul searchin. I might stick with Cody or switch to Viper or Oni.

 

[ThreeX]

Viper's madd lame but Oni is pretty sick. Weaksauce and gridman have been messin with oni a lil.

 

[ETWIST51294]

I love Viper. I don't know why. Execution I guess.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Viper was my most hated newcomer when the game first came out but she's also the one I first started to like, then Rufus shortly after that (his playstyle is fun, his character design still really ****ing sucks).

 

[ThreeX]

I think it's time to dive kick some foo's

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

I love Super Yun Fighter IV: Yun Edition.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Anybody who played 3S has no prob with Yun.

This Yun is nothing compared to that Yun.

 

[o-Serin-o]

My Yang is ****in sick.

You deleted me you *****.

 

[Atlus8]

Anyone else catch the NorCal Regionals this weekend? Rarely am I in favor of nerfing a character, but Yun is like damn! Watching Daigo's Yun win isn't as satisfying as his Ryu!

 

[Minato]

Anyone else catch the NorCal Regionals this weekend? Rarely am I in favor of nerfing a character, but Yun is like damn! Watching Daigo's Yun win isn't as satisfying as his Ryu!

I don't mind if there's a dominating character in a fighter. Just as long as a decent amount of the cast have abusive tools of their own.
And yeah... I'll probably be using Yun (along with other characters) when I get my hands on AE since I've always liked him as a character. I even used him in CvS2 despite his crappy footsies and slow normals.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I'm gonna be rockin' Gouki once I get this game.

I seriously need cash. =\

Smooth Criminal

 

[ThreeX]

Go-Key's aiiight >:3

 

[ETWIST51294]

EVERYBODY PLAYS HIM NOW

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-

 

[o-Serin-o]

Not really :x

 

[ETWIST51294]

There's always been a lot of Akumas.

ALWAYS