ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
lol t hawk. Extra bottom tier even tho hes an annoying ****. And cody aint bottom tier [censored]!
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Street Fighter IV *Super, AE and Ver.2012*
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Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
He still sucks ****.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
**** that.. Hes mid tier.
ThreeX
Smash Lord
Surprised to see so many ryus<3
ThreeX
Smash Lord
He got a dmg nerf maang.
I agree with this list.
Also, can anyone tell me why I still play Super online? I played a Dan yesterday that literally did nothing but bird-kick and throw. Then I beat him, and he switched to Ryu and did nothing but bird-kick and throw. Then he picked Sagat and did nothng but TIGER, bird kick and throw.
Minato
穏やかじゃない
I'm having fun in online for SSFIV (and BBCS) again. I usually just do ranked, custom, and then do more skilled and just choose players with a green connection. Much more fun that way.
I've been playing Endless lately with Makoto, assuming that opponents wouldn't play like total asshats if their precious BP/PP weren't on the line. Clearly, I was mistaken.
ThreeX
Smash Lord
ryus fierce DP went from 160 to 150, and also gained 2 hits (100 then 50)
f. DP fadc ultra does 398, and ryus fierce DP sucks ***, so you'll sometimes see strong DP fadc ultra. First hit of Strong DP does 80, fadc into ultra does 378, 100 less then vanilla.
That's 100 points of damage.. i mean, I consider that alot. Especially when you have characters like Rog, honda, sim, bison, that didn't get changed all that much.
I definitely agree that ryu is still really strong, but he definitely has ****ty matches now, compared to vanilla's 5-5's
edit: I forgot to note that fierce dp fadc ultra did 478 in vanilla D: that might clear up some confusion about 100 points of dmg.. LOL
100 damage is c.MP->Fireball or one jab DP for Ryu. It's not that much damage.
And there's a difference between having a disadvantage in a matchup and having a ****ty matchup. Ryu vs. Guile for example has Ryu at a slight disadvantage* but Ryu can still pull through and win it if he works hard without too much trouble. A ****ty matchup is more like Gief vs. Akuma - Gief has very few answers to almost everything Akuma can do and has to overcome a much higher wall to win. Ryu also doesn't have that many bad matchups. He has like 5 bad matchups out of a 35 character cast, most of which are other high tiers. That's not bad at all. It's worse than last game where his bad matchup was Sagat, but he was arguably overpowered in that game (because of bull**** trades, etc.).
*from what I've read at least. idk **** about Ryu's matchups tbh lol.
And there's a difference between having a disadvantage in a matchup and having a ****ty matchup. Ryu vs. Guile for example has Ryu at a slight disadvantage* but Ryu can still pull through and win it if he works hard without too much trouble. A ****ty matchup is more like Gief vs. Akuma - Gief has very few answers to almost everything Akuma can do and has to overcome a much higher wall to win. Ryu also doesn't have that many bad matchups. He has like 5 bad matchups out of a 35 character cast, most of which are other high tiers. That's not bad at all. It's worse than last game where his bad matchup was Sagat, but he was arguably overpowered in that game (because of bull**** trades, etc.).
*from what I've read at least. idk **** about Ryu's matchups tbh lol.
ThreeX
Smash Lord
yeah, I mean.. I'm not saying he has a **** load of bad matchups, but things have changed. I don't main ryu, i just mess around with him.. but I really feel like bison gives him a hard time. I've been saying this since bison got u2.
Dhalsim is obviously a pain in the *** for ryu. Not too sure how I feel about chun and adon, I need to do my hw on those matches I guess. I'm not too sure what to think about balrog, I wanna say it's 5-5, but it might be slight slight slight advantage for Rog. Then like you said, guile can be a little rough also B)
**** that ultra
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
That 2-hit on Fierce DP is a buff for Ryu because he can break armor with it now. Ryu has no bad matchups, a lot of evens, yeah, but no bad matchups.
Damage nerf doesn't mean much when you still have incredible options, especially when you were hardly nerfed at all.
Damage nerf doesn't mean much when you still have incredible options, especially when you were hardly nerfed at all.
All I know is that a few of the changes that they made to Fuerte's specials/U2 were abusable online. Haven't had the pleasure of playing a Fuerte in tournament/offline yet, thank God.
The low lag on his air-grab coupled with the unblockability + high dmg of his U2 made a desperate Fuerte extremely annoying. Doesn't it slide under fireballs too?
Also, I STILL am not completely sure how to deal with Tortilla Propeller...I know it can hit you while standing or crouching, it's a grab so unblockable, and walking forward/backward never yields any success for me. The only thing I know to do is jump, but he's able to just land, dash forward, and do his slide before I land, which is safe on block. Taking away the invincibility makes the guessing game a little less ridiculous.
Not to say that Fuerte is OP or anything like that...but my personal experiences against the character are facepalm-worthy.
Honda is the strongest character in the game imo.
ZMan
Smash Master
honda is good but nowhere near the best. he loses to characters in the same tier and characters above him and he still has no reliable way around projectiles.
Given every character's share of less than favorable match-ups, I looked more toward dominance over the rest of the characters.
Honda certainly has that.
This is pretty much exactly what I was trying to say.
Honda wouldn't be so bad if not for his absurd damage output
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
ex headbutt is one of the most annoying things in this game.
Minato
穏やかじゃない
I did Ranked today and did so badly. I couldn't even get TK CSs to come out consistently.
I lost around a 1000 PP but earned half of it back. Oh well, like I care about points.
I lost around a 1000 PP but earned half of it back. Oh well, like I care about points.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Herf derf, I got a jab with Dhalsim length and Ryu priority that combos into half your health or 1/8 if it's on block.
I was about to correct you and say it's dumb to exaggerate so much, but then I realized that Dhalsim's standing jab is about the same as Honda's standing jab since Dhalsim doesn't actually stretch his arm for it.
But yeah, you just love to complain don't you?
But yeah, you just love to complain don't you?
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
It is my passion.
I just saw the new episode of "gootecks and Mike Ross act like online scrubs" or whatever it's called.
Sorry Gamerbee turned you down Kuma. I think the people at the show realized that if you were in the show any more often you'd have to be paid royalties by Machinima.
Sorry Gamerbee turned you down Kuma. I think the people at the show realized that if you were in the show any more often you'd have to be paid royalties by Machinima.
Minato
穏やかじゃない
Was KumaOso in another Crosscounter vid?
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
I'm seeing it after everyone else it seems. I woke up after feeling like crap and this is the first thing I see.
Anyway, I think Gamerbee's reason was that I was a yellow conection and he hates the lag big time. Still, I love he just skipped over me, no commentary. At least I made a cameo, but no guiltygears.
I'd love to be a regular on the show, but I'd rather be with them. Dash Dancing El Fuerte = Epic Trolling even though I prefer to troll people who have a stupid beef with me (like salty people).
Anyway, I think Gamerbee's reason was that I was a yellow conection and he hates the lag big time. Still, I love he just skipped over me, no commentary. At least I made a cameo, but no guiltygears.
I'd love to be a regular on the show, but I'd rather be with them. Dash Dancing El Fuerte = Epic Trolling even though I prefer to troll people who have a stupid beef with me (like salty people).
Javon89
Smash Ace
I just got SSFIV days ago and I have no idea where to start.
I love to play games at a high competitive level, so can you guys give me some tips?
Oh I main Sagat and Fei Long.
I love to play games at a high competitive level, so can you guys give me some tips?
Oh I main Sagat and Fei Long.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
sagat: Throw fireballs tu fadc u1
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
dont. Please dont...
Javon89
Smash Ace
Thanks guys, and I read the whole thing kr3wman.
I think I understand it.
I think I understand it.
No problem.
That handbook is really useful I think for people wanting to get better.
Of course, it's another thing to apply those things in a real match.
Canada Cup (Daigo/Mago/Jwong/M. Ross/Air/JSMaster) http://www.ustream.tv/channel/teamspooky
That handbook is really useful I think for people wanting to get better.
Of course, it's another thing to apply those things in a real match.
Canada Cup (Daigo/Mago/Jwong/M. Ross/Air/JSMaster) http://www.ustream.tv/channel/teamspooky
Javon89
Smash Ace
I'll get it sooner or later. The game seems deeper than Brawl.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
seriously. Every other fg is deeper than barwl except for mortal kombat and shaq fu. Lol