Strategy Pokedex Submissions

[WouW]

Nasty plot porygon-z(2 moves)
Porygon-z@Salac Berry
Adaptablity:Timid
252sp.att/ 252 speed/6HP

Magic coat/ substitute
Ice beam
Tri Attack
Nasty plot

This is a version of stand porygon-z after a nasty plot and a salac boost almostt nothing can stand in this things way. I have magic coat there because porygon-z can take a hit like max heatran's flamethrower and survive in red to use salac. but if you want to be safe Substitute is the way to go. ice beam tri attack has great coverage and kills off most big threats. Porygon-z is alittle underlooked nowadays anyway.

Wait, now why do you have Magic Coat? Also, it's really unreliable to use opponents' attacks to get to your berry, as there's a good chance you stay over 25%, or they just kill you.

Also, Dark Pulse > Ice Beam.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

Wait, now why do you have Magic Coat? Also, it's really unreliable to use opponents' attacks to get to your berry, as there's a good chance you stay over 25%, or they just kill you.

Magic coat is my favorite move which is why i use it.But, I put it there because you can magic coat for example a hypnosis and set up nasty plots.

For some reason i hated dark pulse on Z

Edit: i guess you can sub the hypnosis but i like being different lmao.

 

[Circa]

Cursepass umbreon.
Umbreon@leftovers
Synchronize: Impish
252HP/190sp.def/68def

Curse
Sucker punch/Pay back
Baton Pass
Wish

This should be the standard umbreon set. This issue is choosing between sucker punch and payback. Payback is good if you like the stab + going last and the attack boost from curse. I use Sucker punch for weakened pokemon such as a salamence that set up 3 dragon dances and is in red health. Plus its base power isn't bad either. Its really up to you what you want to run with this set. Now again my EV spread. with a 31IV across this gives me 394HP 343SP.def and 300def. Thats pretty good for a UU wall. without the curses. after this thing sets up its just ****. Umbreon is one of my favorites along with latias and mew. I have more fun with this set then any other set.(note: I use sucker punch over payback.)

I'm currently working on a few Strategydex entries that should be finished by the end of this week if time permits. Namely, Sharpedo, Drapion, Electrode, and Umbreon are what I'm working on. I'm only completely sure about the Sharpedo though.

The sets I'm coming up with for the other three are mainly going to be rather unorthodox, but will still work rather well in a competitive setting (I figure Smogon covered most of the standards, so I'll probably just provide one, possibly two slightly modded versions of theirs). That being said, they may take some extra time...maybe even a whole extra week. Umbreon is the last one I'll be doing though, so anyone can feel free to throw it together before me (I'm least confident with my ideas on Umbreon, as sad as it is to say considering it's my favorite Pokemon of all time). I insist on taking the other three though. They're the ones I have the bestest ideas for.

If I do end up being the one to make the Umbreon set, however, I'll definitely add yours in. Me likey. I'm pretty sure it's not the standard, though, because most people seem to find a more versatile use out of the Trap Pass set in OU. I see the set you provided being one of the best in UU, however, thanks to its natural tanking abilities there.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

I'm currently working on a few Strategydex entries that should be finished by the end of this week if time permits. Namely, Sharpedo, Drapion, Electrode, and Umbreon are what I'm working on. I'm only completely sure about the Sharpedo though.

The sets I'm coming up with for the other three are mainly going to be rather unorthodox, but will still work rather well in a competitive setting (I figure Smogon covered most of the standards, so I'll probably just provide one, possibly two slightly modded versions of theirs). That being said, they may take some extra time...maybe even a whole extra week. Umbreon is the last one I'll be doing though, so anyone can feel free to throw it together before me (I'm least confident with my ideas on Umbreon, as sad as it is to say considering it's my favorite Pokemon of all time). I insist on taking the other three though. They're the ones I have the bestest ideas for.

If I do end up being the one to make the Umbreon set, however, I'll definitely add yours in. Me likey. I'm pretty sure it's not the standard, though, because most people seem to find a more versatile use out of the Trap Pass set in OU. I see the set you provided being one of the best in UU, however, thanks to its natural tanking abilities there.

Thanks, umbreon is definatly one of my favorites too. I almost always use this set in my teams.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Play the pokemon, get a feel for the sets he can use. Some of your sets are ....very unorthodox, and get walled/***** by too many pokemon to be effective. Hop on shoddy, throw him on a team and see how he does, what switches into him, and what you should have predicted.

I would, but shoddy hasn't been working for me in the last week.


EDIT: I can log on, but I haven't had a non-buggy battle in a while.
Nice set pink reaper, but you only have 492 EVs (typo, I assume).

 

[Zook]

Do we have a Gengar entry yet? Anyway, I've made a new set that's been doing fairly well for me.

Gengar @ Focus Sash
Levitate: Jolly
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Luck
-Knock Off
-Hypnosis
-Will-O-Wisp
-Explosion

Pretty simple set. Get him out there, be annoying, then blow up. With luck, he'll be able to put something to sleep, either burn a switch-in or remove an item, and finally take something out with an Explosion.

 

[LordoftheMorning]

Mixed Mojonbo wants to look like this:

Tangrowth@Life Orb/Leftovers
Naive/Chlorophyll
200Atk/80SpAtk/212Spe
-Power Whip
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide
-HP Fire/HP Ice

ONLY USE ON SUNNY DAY TEAMS! Don't listen to what somgon says, ancient power is ********. If you are using this set in OU, Rock Slide is the way to go. You stand to do less to only salamence(due to intimidate), while every other flier except Gliscor and Skarmory will take more damage, and Skarmory is easily handled by HP Fire. HP Ice should only be considered for the aformentioned Gliscor and Salamence.

Is there a mixed set I could run on my DS? I really don't think I can get the right HP, and I don't see how anyone does outside of shoddy. Any alternatives to HP?

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

Is there a mixed set I could run on my DS? I really don't think I can get the right HP, and I don't see how anyone does outside of shoddy. Any alternatives to HP?

you could always just breed for it. may take awhile but yeah.

 

[Circa]

you could always just breed for it. may take awhile but yeah.

I think that's the problem with it...w/o the use of Action Replay, getting the right HP on the specific nature/ability you need for that pokemon is nigh impossible, especially if you want a decently powerful HP. I don't even need to calculate the odds of getting such a thing and I can tell you that you're better off not even trying. And for how long it takes, you can just replace the HP with something completely different that doesn't even gain the super effectiveness and it'd probably work out better for you the majority of the time.

Is there a mixed set I could run on my DS? I really don't think I can get the right HP, and I don't see how anyone does outside of shoddy. Any alternatives to HP?

The only true alternative I can think of is shock wave if you're planning on taking the HP fire for Skarmory. It's not too strong, but it's only 10 weaker than your strongest HP and it still carries super effectiveness on it, which is better than nothing if you ask me. Your other option is extremely unreliable and requires a rather high amount of prediction, but you could always try to predict a roost and focus blast it. I don't recommend this, however, for obvious reasons.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

Naw its not impossible at all. For the nature get the parent with the nature you want and make it hold everstone(50%chance of it being that nature) ability isn't a problem with tangrowth i believe. and for the IVs parents pass down certain IVs so find out the IVs you need for at least a decent hidden power. For example tangela has 31IVs in speed. ditto has 31IVs in HP. theres a chance those IV numbers will be passed into the childs stats. I'm pretty sure it will only take a day or two to get the nature and IVs you'd want. That is, if you have the things you need. everstone,parent with nature, and Good IVed parents.

I used to breed alot before i started hacking, and it wasn't that bad. hell if i had wifi i''d breed it for you.

But if you have an AR and want a legit child you hack parents with 31IV across and chances are higher you'll get those stats lol.

 

[Steeler]

breeding HPs isn't impossible but it does take a good amount of patience and dedication. the most difficult part is just getting parents that are good enough to breed from, imo.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

breeding HPs isn't impossible but it does take a good amount of patience and dedication. the most difficult part is just getting parents that are good enough to breed from, imo.

^---- This. Breeding was never a problem for me. Besides getting the parents.

 

[Circa]

Naw its not impossible at all. For the nature get the parent with the nature you want and make it hold everstone(50%chance of it being that nature) ability isn't a problem with tangrowth i believe. and for the IVs parents pass down certain IVs so find out the IVs you need for at least a decent hidden power. For example tangela has 31IVs in speed. ditto has 31IVs in HP. theres a chance those IV numbers will be passed into the childs stats. I'm pretty sure it will only take a day or two to get the nature and IVs you'd want. That is, if you have the things you need. everstone,parent with nature, and Good IVed parents.

I used to breed alot before i started hacking, and it wasn't that bad. hell if i had wifi i''d breed it for you.

But if you have an AR and want a legit child you hack parents with 31IV across and chances are higher you'll get those stats lol.

Wow...that actually helps me a lot as well. I knew the nature thing, but I never knew the IV thing. I know getting good parents could be hard as well, but meh. I figure that as long as I just keeping breeding like I already do (which is almost constantly), then I'm bound to get some pretty good parents.

So...I guess that answers Lord's question and helps me out. Double whammy! Danke.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

Wow...that actually helps me a lot as well. I knew the nature thing, but I never knew the IV thing. I know getting good parents could be hard as well, but meh. I figure that as long as I just keeping breeding like I already do (which is almost constantly), then I'm bound to get some pretty good parents.

So...I guess that answers Lord's question and helps me out. Double whammy! Danke.

No problem. I bred alot back in the day(lol back in the day.. which was about a year ago)

I actually bred a shiny adamant dragon dance charmander with amazing IVs before.I love myself

 

[Circa]

No problem. I bred alot back in the day(lol back in the day.. which was about a year ago)

I actually bred a shiny adamant dragon dance charmander with amazing IVs before.I love myself

Jesus christ...I'm jealous. </3 I've only gotten two shinies so far in my entire game (unless you include the Pachirisu my friend gave me), and they were a Gloom and a Bidoof. Gloom's alright (despite the fact that it had horrid IVs...), but Bidoof!? It's still not too bad, though. I figure if anything, I can at least HM ***** in style now. XD

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

Jesus christ...I'm jealous. </3 I've only gotten two shinies so far in my entire game (unless you include the Pachirisu my friend gave me), and they were a Gloom and a Bidoof. Gloom's alright (despite the fact that it had horrid IVs...), but Bidoof!? It's still not too bad, though. I figure if anything, I can at least HM ***** in style now. XD

I have tons of shinies.(pokeradar ftw.) but my crewmate has about 200shinies she chained. she doesn't battle or anything. Just collects events and shinies

 

[zrky]

back on topic yo! jk

anyway, would enigma berry be good to use on a tank/wall aggron?

 

[Zook]

back on topic yo! jk

anyway, would enigma berry be good to use on a tank/wall aggron?

I thought that was banned from standard play? If not, yes, I guess it would be.

Aggron has so many weaknesses, he's not a viable wall.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

back on topic yo! jk

anyway, would enigma berry be good to use on a tank/wall aggron?

I don't see enigma berries being used at all actually. But i forgot what it does. SOO what does it do? Sharply raise a random stat in a pinch or something?

Nvm i know now. try leftovers? LOL the staple wall item

 

[Zook]

I don't see enigma berries being used at all actually. But i forgot what it does. SOO what does it do? Sharply raise a random stat in a pinch or something?

If I remember correctly, it absorbs HP with a super-effective attack once.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

If I remember correctly, it absorbs HP with a super-effective attack once.

How exactly does that work? Gets half the damage back or something?

I still don't find it to be a good item <_< i find better options then that.

 

[Circa]

If I remember correctly, it absorbs HP with a super-effective attack once.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's banned then; for obvious reasons. I honestly can't think of anything good for a wall Aggron apart from leftovers. But then again, the only good Aggron set I can even think of is the focus sash/metal burst thing...

 

[Zook]

How exactly does that work? Gets half the damage back or something?

I still don't find it to be a good item <_< i find better options then that.

I think it works like a Water Absorb. You get back a maximum of 25% health.

It's usable on Aggron because of how exploitable his weaknesses are.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

I think it works like a Water Absorb. You get back a maximum of 25% health.

It's usable on Aggron because of how exploitable his weaknesses are.

Usable but i wouldn't say the best option. I still think leftovers work better. enigma berry is a one time thing anyway.

 

[Zook]

Usable but i wouldn't say the best option. I still think leftovers work better. enigma berry is a one time thing anyway.

Aggron will probably be OHKO'd by an EQ or CC before Leftovers can take effect. He's just too fragile to use lefties. Enigma Berry is basically a Focus Sash for him, only he won't lose HP.

 

[Circa]

After doing a bit of research, I can't seem to find anywhere where it's said to be banned, so I think it's okay? I'll update if I find out differently, however. After some looking into it, it seems like it would be banned, especially since no one ever seems to use it, but maybe everyone just thinks like chaos?

Usable but i wouldn't say the best option. I still think leftovers work better. enigma berry is a one time thing anyway.

It's basically a surprise factor and quite a good mindgame, if you ask me. No one is going to expect such a thing to be used, and when teamed with something like Aggron that's rather powerful as well, it may cause serious problems for countering it. Plus, if you really feel the need for it then you can always give your Pokemon recycle (if it can learn it, that is), which will allow many uses for the berry.

 

[Zook]

After doing a bit of research, I can't seem to find anywhere where it's said to be banned, so I think it's okay? I'll update if I find out differently, however. After some looking into it, it seems like it would be banned, especially since no one ever seems to use it, but maybe everyone just thinks like chaos?

I think the Extended Game clause needs to be activated in order for the item to be legal (Same goes for Arceus), because they're otherwise impossible to get.

 

[Circa]

I think the Extended Game clause needs to be activated in order for the item to be legal (Same goes for Arceus), because they're otherwise impossible to get.

Yeah, same. I just asked on Smogon, however, and am waiting for an answer. It's not a usable item on their Shoddy server though, so I'm expecting a no from it. So disregard my last post about it; it's almost guaranteed to be illegal.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

Well i still don't fully know how it works. maybe i'll see it in the future.

I hate aggron anyway <_<

 

[Circa]

Well i still don't fully know how it works. maybe i'll see it in the future.

I hate aggron anyway <_<

It's basically like Zook said. When hit with an attack that should be super-effective to you, you instead gain 25% of the damage that should have been dealt to you back to your hp. So it's basically like if there was an ability called uber super-effective absorb (uber in the sense that it gains back A LOT more hp than water or volt absorb)...just, it can only be used once. :\

Although I don't know if the damage calculated is by the amount dealt without the move being super-effective or with it being super-effective. That would require testing.

Also, according to Smogon, it's perfectly legal. Just don't expect to see it on Shoddy though, because it seems like they never put it on there; like I said before.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

It's basically like Zook said. When hit with an attack that should be super-effective to you, you instead gain 25% of the damage that should have been dealt to you back to your hp. So it's basically like if there was an ability called uber super-effective absorb (uber in the sense that it gains back A LOT more hp than water or volt absorb)...just, it can only be used once. :\

Although I don't know if the damage calculated is by the amount dealt without the move being super-effective or with it being super-effective. That would require testing.

Also, according to Smogon, it's perfectly legal. Just don't expect to see it on Shoddy though, because it seems like they never put it on there; like I said before.

Ohoh yeah i misread what he said for some reason and read it as "you gain 25% back after the hit." Then actually it is pretty good for aggron.

I'm a dumb reader lmao

 

[Circa]

Ohoh yeah i misread what he said for some reason and read it as "you gain 25% back after the hit." Then actually it is pretty good for aggron.

I'm a dumb reader lmao

**** this **** grrrrrrrr....

Supposedly, it IS after it's damaged, so it is nearly worthless. That makes NO SENSE though, because the freaking berry is nigh impossible to get by any normal means necessary. You'd think the thing would be something uber for such a hard thing to get. Guess not, though...

****ing Nintendo. They make Farfetch'd a ***** to get in basically every game possible and make it one of the worst Pokemon ever; they give out cherish balls at events, which are basically nothing special in any way, shape or form; they have Celebi as the event Pokemon for what's arguably the best Pokemon generation ever, which shares as many weaknesses as Obamasnow and forced to UU partially because of it; and they make enigma berries, which appear to be nearly worthless compared to leftovers (which you get 3 of in LG/FR, from what I remember), as arguably the hardest of all berries to obtain. It really makes me wonder what the heck they're smoking sometimes...

EDIT: Sorry for the rant...I just couldn't help it. D:

 

[zrky]

I thought that was banned from standard play? If not, yes, I guess it would be.

Aggron has so many weaknesses, he's not a viable wall.

your kidding right? He only has 2x water and 4x fighting....if enigma berry is banned then ill give it that berry that reduces fighting super effectives

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

**** this **** grrrrrrrr....

Supposedly, it IS after it's damaged, so it is nearly worthless. That makes NO SENSE though, because the freaking berry is nigh impossible to get by any normal means necessary. You'd think the thing would be something uber for such a hard thing to get. Guess not, though...

****ing Nintendo. They make Farfetch'd a ***** to get in basically every game possible and make it one of the worst Pokemon ever; they give out cherish balls at events, which are basically nothing special in any way, shape or form; they have Celebi as the event Pokemon for what's arguably the best Pokemon generation ever, which shares as many weaknesses as Obamasnow and forced to UU partially because of it; and they make enigma berries, which appear to be nearly worthless compared to leftovers (which you get 3 of in LG/FR, from what I remember), as arguably the hardest of all berries to obtain. It really makes me wonder what the heck they're smoking sometimes...

EDIT: Sorry for the rant...I just couldn't help it. D:

I had a feeling it was a terrible berry. but nintendo is in it for the money not the fans. look at brawl lmao.

and you can get leftovers as much as you want thanks to pick-up.

Edit: you forgot ground. and i guess he ment he's weak to some of the most common attacks in the game.

 

[c3gill]

enigma berries arent that hard to obtain- I have some on my diamond somehow, and ive never used an AR on that game. Anyone else use the E-reader? and PBR?

and event stuff isnt meant to be god-like.... its supposed to be unique. Thats what sets them apart, is how special they are.

 

[Angel.M <3 C:]

enigma berries arent that hard to obtain- I have some on my diamond somehow, and ive never used an AR on that game. Anyone else use the E-reader? and PBR?

and event stuff isnt meant to be god-like.... its supposed to be unique. Thats what sets them apart, is how special they are.

Yeah it just costs alot. and events are just fun to have.

 

[Zook]

your kidding right? He only has 2x water and 4x fighting....if enigma berry is banned then ill give it that berry that reduces fighting super effectives

There's this move called Earthquake that nearly every physical sweeper uses, which is 4X effective.

I love Aggron, he has one of the best designs, but I don't like using him.

 

[zrky]

Aggron is also ground so how can it be 4x or is he rock?

 

[Zook]

Aggron is also ground so how can it be 4x or is he rock?

He's rock, dude.

 

[Circa]

I had a feeling it was a terrible berry. but nintendo is in it for the money not the fans. look at brawl lmao.

and you can get leftovers as much as you want thanks to pick-up.

I was actually going to say something about Barlw (which possibly would have led into a rant for that as well), but I didn't know everyone else's stance on the game, so I figured I might want to keep it out to keep the peace. And you proved my point further with the pick-up comment, which I had actually forgotten about, so thank you.

enigma berries arent that hard to obtain- I have some on my diamond somehow, and ive never used an AR on that game. Anyone else use the E-reader? and PBR?

and event stuff isnt meant to be god-like.... its supposed to be unique. Thats what sets them apart, is how special they are.

Never used the e-reader. Actually, if it wasn't for my best friend, I never would have even owned a GBA to play 3rd gen with in the first place. And...what's PBR? :\ I've honestly never heard of it...

Oh, and of course they don't make the things god-like. I mean, look at the one thing they DID make god-like. It got banned from everything, including ubers. XD

EDIT: And yes, I know that the majority of Pokemon fans are casual players. Oh well...the enigma berry would probably be broken and constantly used in competitive play if it were made the way we thought it was anyway. They may even be forced to bring back the item-clause, if that was the case, because there'd end up being little to no use for super-effective moves otherwise. x_x