SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Accf124]

6 Pokemon Reps can represent how you can have 6 pokemon on a team.

 

[Spazzy_D]

How do prople not know who Shulk is, is the Smash community made up mainly of people who play only one franchise plus Smash?

I love how people will rationilize why Sakurai will choose bad characters nobody asked for. Did I read that someone claimed Ryhthm Heaven a MAJOR franchise? The last game released at the very end of the Wii life cycle. And one guy described his Gamestop experience with the game as pure apathy with the customers. Lol what a damn joke.

Hey guess what, Xenoblade sold about 850,000 copies! The new Punch-Out and Kid Icarus both sold just over a million.

Rhythm Heaven sold over 3 million.

Over 3 times the number of people in the world have played Rhythm Heaven then Xenoblade. That's a FACT.

Stop with your Western world view. (I say this as a big Xenoblade fan as well, Shulk is on my most wanted list.)

 

[swordbreaker]

There are three games in the Rhythm series. I like that Sakurai tries to include as many series' as he can in Smash. The game isn't called Mario vs. Pokemon. It's about all of Nintendo - popular or not. You scrutinise people for not knowing Shulk, yet you haven't played Rhythm Heaven. Some people probably like Rhythm games more than JRPG's, and would rather see their kind of game represented.

I actually have BOTH games. Because I have them I have to auto think adding in a character is a good idea? This is the stupidiest thing I ever heard.

 

[S_B]

I love how people will rationilize why Sakurai will choose bad characters nobody asked for. Did I read that someone claimed Ryhthm Heaven a MAJOR franchise? The last game released at the very end of the Wii life cycle. And one guy described his Gamestop experience with the game as pure apathy with the customers. Lol what a damn joke.

You just described Earthbound, except with 10X the apathy.

Bottom line, Sakurai likes what he likes. We should count ourselves lucky if he doesn't wake up one day and decide his uncle's dead, stuffed cat should be a playable character.

 

[BKupa666]

Response

Fair enough. Summing it up, I don't think the Smash fanbase is a hivemind although it can certainly seem that way sometimes, and I didn't mean to imply that Marshall specifically is not of quality, but to get at the idea that Smash characters are not all infallible divine creations. Anyhow, with Sal's roster likely being close, if not the final roster, I'll have more to say on the matter later.

Yes, back on topic. Is is true that Sal's newcomers, plus Rosalina, add up to 48 characters? Is there an extra spot, based on the Mario Kart guy's statement?

 

[DragonRob20]

Any word on Isaac and Dixie Kong? GIVE ME SOME HOPE BASED SAKURAI-SAN!!

 

[Spazzy_D]

I'm pretty sure if Mewtwo comes back he will be hidden again. He was the ultimate unlockable in Melee after all.

I still think, even if the Sal leak is correct, that we are getting either Dixie or K. Rool and a retro. Maybe that's wishful thinking.

 

[swordbreaker]

You just described Earthbound, except with 10X the apathy.

Bottom line, Sakurai likes what he likes. We should count ourselves lucky if he doesn't wake up one day and decide his uncle's dead, stuffed cat should be a playable character.

EarthBound doesn't get trash talked last I heard. Rhythm Heaven Fever was crapped on for being released here first before the Operation Rainfall games. And the announcement of EB was well received for Wii U. You must be a newage gamer or something.

 

[Logsmash]

Who's in charge of updating the confirmed/disconfirmed leaks? It's been 2 days since the Direct, and there's still a gray section in one leak list that says "Zelda's transformation into Sheik hasn't changed".

This needs updating pronto. THE TRUTH MUST BE KNOWN!

 

[S_B]

EarthBound doesn't get trash talked last I heard. Rhythm Heaven Fever was crapped on for being released here first before the Operation Rainfall games. And the announcement of EB was well received for Wii U. You must be a newage gamer or something.

You do know Ness was put in SSB64 at a time when Earthbound was basically a dead and buried franchise, right? I still remember when my friends and I unlocked him: no one in the entire room knew who the hell he was. Someone even asked "Is that the Pokemon kid?"...

The point I'm making is that Sakurai will add whatever the flipping hell he wants to the game as a playable character. If he likes Rhythm Heaven enough to make a character from it playable, not a whole lot anyone can do to stop him (except maybe Miyamoto or Iwata).

 

[Luigi#1]

EarthBound doesn't get trash talked last I heard. Rhythm Heaven Fever was crapped on for being released here first before the Operation Rainfall games. And the announcement of EB was well received for Wii U. You must be a newage gamer or something.

I've heard a lot saying how it's a bad game if you look past the dialog. Quit being rude and saying people are inferior because they don't agree with you, supernintendodisney swordbreaker.

 

[iam8bit]

Other than Gematsu's click-bait, are there any other notable leaks?

 

[KingLucasx]

Any good leaks btw!? I don't care about how many reps a character has or which series is popular... I wanna read leaksss!

 

[Radical Bones]

EarthBound doesn't get trash talked last I heard. Rhythm Heaven Fever was crapped on for being released here first before the Operation Rainfall games. And the announcement of EB was well received for Wii U. You must be a newage gamer or something.

Just because it was localised before some more anticipated games doesn't mean it should forever be know as a bad game. It got excellent reviews. EB is popular now, and why? Because the West recognises Ness due to SSB.

 

[Extrain]

Fair enough. Summing it up, I don't think the Smash fanbase is a hivemind although it can certainly seem that way sometimes, and I didn't mean to imply that Marshall specifically is not of quality, but to get at the idea that Smash characters are not all infallible divine creations. Anyhow, with Sal's roster likely being close, if not the final roster, I'll have more to say on the matter later.

Yes, back on topic. Is is true that Sal's newcomers, plus Rosalina, add up to 48 characters? Is there an extra spot, based on the Mario Kart guy's statement?

MK8 rumor says 48 roster and 4 cuts, so I think there's space for one. Some people say it's wrong, but I think it's still arguably right.

 

[Eight Melodies]

Earthbound and Fire Emblem both are much more popular now because of Smash Bros. Less popular franchises should have playable characters because of that.

 

[EmbersToAshes]

Hey guess what, Xenoblade sold about 850,000 copies! The new Punch-Out and Kid Icarus both sold just over a million.

Rhythm Heaven sold over 3 million.

Over 3 times the number of people in the world have played Rhythm Heaven then Xenoblade. That's a FACT.

Stop with your Western world view. (I say this as a big Xenoblade fan as well, Shulk is on my most wanted list.)

Your point doesn't really hold up when you consider that in most parts of the world it was a retailer exclusive, not to mention the horrendous stock shortages it suffered. It's sales aren't representative due to the issues they faced stock-wise upon release.

 

[Radical Bones]

Your point doesn't really hold up when you consider that in most parts of the world it was a retailer exclusive, not to mention the horrendous stock shortages it suffered. It's sales aren't representative due to the issues they faced stock-wise upon release.

That's a good point actually. I know here in Australia, it was and still is almost impossible to find a copy. I had to pay $110 on eBay to get a hold of a copy.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Your point doesn't really hold up when you consider that in most parts of the world it was a retailer exclusive, not to mention the horrendous stock shortages it suffered. It's sales aren't representative due to the issues they faced stock-wise upon release.

3-1 is a huge margin regardless. If you also take into account that that games biggest region was the only one it was retailer exclusive in (or was it in Europe? I imported a European copy online without a problem when it launched) and I doubt the numbers would have been much higher.

That said, I am a huge Xenoblade fan, and I want Shulk in the game. I was just pointing out that Rhythm Heaven was actually a very successful game.

Edit: I guess it was a retailer exclusive in Australia as well?

 

[DMurr]

Yes, back on topic. Is is true that Sal's newcomers, plus Rosalina, add up to 48 characters? Is there an extra spot, based on the Mario Kart guy's statement?

Well, Brawl 39 - 4 cuts = 35

Sal's newcomers are 11 in number, plus Rosalina = 12

35+12= 47.. so were missing one. If were assuming both of these rumors are accurate.

 

[CroonerMike]

I cannot wait till Slippy Toad is comfirmed and all of the leaks are proven wrong.

 

[BKupa666]

Well, Brawl 39 - 4 cuts = 35

Sal's newcomers are 11 in number, plus Rosalina = 12

35+12= 47.. so were missing one. If were assuming both of these rumors are accurate.

That makes me even more confident that it's Mewtwo. It would make a fair amount of sense that Mewtwo wouldn't be grouped in with the other newcomers his source knows about, since he's a veteran.

 

[Dark Phazon]

The game is coming out in two months, I'm sure almost all of the characters are done at this point, especially


with all of those reveals in the direct.
My thoughts exactly.

Oh, does this mean anything for the Mii. The game is coming out days before E3 and has a stage (among others) that represent the Mii's in the game already. I still feel like Sal's leak is shaping up quite nicely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcmx4kC0tiU

Uhhh...how is the game coming out in june exzactly.....?? (0_0)

 

[swordbreaker]

Just because it was localised before some more anticipated games doesn't mean it should forever be know as a bad game. It got excellent reviews. EB is popular now, and why? Because the West recognises Ness due to SSB.

I'm not arguing that the character is bad because they are not well known. I'm arguing that they are bad because they freaking are bad. It's not like Mac where he actually fights to make up for a limited moveset. Why not use Barbara the Bat? She is a main character, not a costar in a franchise with multiple characters. When you think Rhythm Heaven do you think of the most generic looking character in the damn game? I think of the monkey, the samurai, the wrestler. This character is truly a joke out of his own franchise. Put him in a AT role if you want to fool around with him.

He's not even consistantly on the Rhythm Heaven main webpage unless you go to one section.

 

[Extrain]

Uhhh...how is the game coming out in june exzactly.....?? (0_0)

I meant E3.My bad, But the earliest it could release is still June.

 

[chronomantic]

I cannot wait till Slippy Toad is comfirmed and all of the leaks are proven wrong.

lol Sakurai would.

 

[DMurr]

That makes me even more confident that it's Mewtwo. It would make a fair amount of sense that Mewtwo wouldn't be grouped in with the other newcomers his source knows about, since he's a veteran.

Literally, I almost said that. Since he's not technically a cut character nor is he a newcomer. Didn't want to add my speculation though haha.

 

[EmbersToAshes]

3-1 is a huge margin regardless. If you also take into account that that games biggest region was the only one it was retailer exclusive in (or was it in Europe? I imported a European copy online without a problem when it launched) and I doubt the numbers would have been much higher.

That said, I am a huge Xenoblade fan, and I want Shulk in the game. I was just pointing out that Rhythm Heaven was actually a very successful game.

Edit: I guess it was a retailer exclusive in Australia as well?

The fact that it was exclusive meant stock nowhere near met demand. Demand + stock shortage drove up the price. And the high price resulted in low sales.

For these reasons any figures given on Xenoblade are, sadly, indicative of absolutely nothing. Not that I'm trying to disprove your point - I'd personally enjoy a Rhythm character in there. I just don't agree Xenoblade's sales can provide an argument for it, as the playing field in your comparison is far from level.

 

[Radical Bones]

I'm not arguing that the character is bad because they are not well known. I'm arguing that they are bad because they freaking are bad. It's not like Mac where he actually fights to make up for a limited moveset. Why not use Barbara the Bat? She is a main character, not a costar in a franchise with multiple characters. When you think Rhythm Heaven do you think of the most generic looking character in the damn game? I think of the monkey, the samurai, the wrestler. This character is truly a joke out of his own franchise. Put him in a AT role if you want to fool around with him.

Ohhh, okay, my bad. I think this was a bit of a misunderstanding. I agree with you on that. I guess it's hard to choose who the real mascot of the game is. It's like if WarioWare had no Wario... who would you choose?

 

[Zhadgon]

I hope there are still some characters to be annouced or leaked that the source of Sal dosen't know, like the Rosalina case.
.n_n.

 

[BluePikmin11]

6 Pokemon Reps can represent how you can have 6 pokemon on a team.

Clever, but I don't think it's worth the reason to have 6 playable Pokemon.

I hope there are still some characters to be annouced or leaked that the source of Sal dosen't know, like the Rosalina case.
.n_n.

Your avatar is badass.

 

[Spazzy_D]

The fact that it was exclusive meant stock nowhere near met demand. Demand + stock shortage drove up the price. And the high price resulted in low sales.

For these reasons any figures given on Xenoblade are, sadly, indicative of absolutely nothing. Not that I'm trying to disprove your point - I'd personally enjoy a Rhythm character in there. I just don't agree Xenoblade's sales can provide an argument for it, as the playing field in your comparison is far from level.

Use the Punch-Out or Kid Icarus numbers then. When it comes to Xenoblade sales I think the number was boosted greatly by project rainfall hype and I don't think demand for the title would have pushed it anywhere near another 2 million sold. This is once again considering that Xenoblade was not limited to one retailer in Japan OR Europe (I checked.)

X numbers SHOULD be a better barometer of the series, but with Wii U sales being so low I'm not sure it will be.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

So do people agree that 45 is not the final roster size limit? I personally hope it isn't, because if it is then we only have two spaces available for newcomers (including if everyone from Brawl returns).

 

[TewnLeenk]

I hope there are still some characters to be annouced or leaked that the source of Sal dosen't know, like the Rosalina case.
.n_n.

Sorry if I'm a bit behind, but what's the Sal leak?

 

[Extrain]

I'm not arguing that the character is bad because they are not well known. I'm arguing that they are bad because they freaking are bad. It's not like Mac where he actually fights to make up for a limited moveset. Why not use Barbara the Bat? She is a main character, not a costar in a franchise with multiple characters. When you think Rhythm Heaven do you think of the most generic looking character in the damn game? I think of the monkey, the samurai, the wrestler. This character is truly a joke out of his own franchise. Put him in a AT role if you want to fool around with him.

He's not even consistantly on the Rhythm Heaven main webpage unless you go to one section.

What? His minigame was one of the most popular and he (or Marhsall) were used on all of the video game covers. And he's not a generic character simply because he's got a simple design. The same could be applied to Mr.G&W or WFT, and they eneded up being great characters. For pete's sake his minigame was featured in a commercial with Beyonce. You come off as extremely uneducated and rude sometimes, do you know that?

If you google Rhythm Heaven he's literally the first image to appear. Infact he takes up a good portion of the google images.

 

[JamesDNaux]

You do know Ness was put in SSB64 at a time when Earthbound was basically a dead and buried franchise, right? I still remember when my friends and I unlocked him: no one in the entire room knew who the hell he was. Someone even asked "Is that the Pokemon kid?"...

You do know that Ness was put in SSB64 merely a few years after his game came out and while a sequel was in development for the N64, right?

You do know that your ignorance towards a character doesn't mean anything either, right? I had no idea who the bloody hell Mega Man was until around Brawl.

 

[papagenos]

Since someone pointed out that my neutral roster still had some bias going on I re-did it. I believe it now is fully based on the rumours in this thread. Please take a look.

This roster is based on 3 points, I will explain why I added the non confirmed characters:

- The Sal leak
That's why I added Pac-Man, Mii, Shulk, Palutena, Chrom, Marshal.

- Direct trophies theory
That's why I added a FE rep (Chrom), KI rep (Palutena), Metroid rep (Ridley), Zelda rep (Ghirasim). Chrom overlaps with the Sal leak so that's an easy choice. Palutena because of the Palutena leak. Ridley because of the direct's vagueness about him. Ghirasim for no good reason other than Fi being a Skyward trophy, could very well be a different Zelda rep.

- Direct oddities speculation.
Mewtwo, with the addition of the masterball I found it very odd he didn't appear as one of the legendaries. The most likely reason being him being playable. With the directs preference to mega-evolutions and two seemingly cut pkmn it seems to make space for two new ones, with only Greninja confirmed so far all the clues seem to be pointed towards Mewtwo.

I kept the rest of the unconfirmed veterans in because of the intention Sakurai expressed of keeping as many veterans in as possible. I think we don't have any believable leak atm that can justify cuts.


I could add more characters based on more speculation from the direct footage, but this roster is supposed to portrait the most likely leaks and rumours. If I missed something important in this thread please let me know.

Nice roster, I agree with cutting Ike and Snake (I'd rather cut wolf than Ike but if I'm going by likelihood Ike is more likely to be cut)

my one suggestion is I think Tingle is more likely than ghirahim... but hey I'm basing that on nothing but him being an assist and not shown yet.

 

[EmbersToAshes]

Use the Punch-Out or Kid Icarus numbers then. When it comes to Xenoblade sales I think the number was boosted greatly by project rainfall hype and I don't think demand for the title would have pushed it anywhere near another 2 million sold. This is once again considering that Xenoblade was not limited to one retailer in Japan OR Europe (I checked.)

X numbers SHOULD be a better barometer of the series, but with Wii U sales being so low I'm not sure it will be.

'Not thinking' is no substitute for actual representative statistics. Due to the price hikes a lot of people likely passed on the title due to the cost - I know I did, initially, finally resorting to eBay. Therefore we have no idea of knowing what it could have sold. X will be far more indicative, though will still be held back by the Wii U - even so, we should get a good read of it's popularity in comparison to the sales of other Wii U titles. All I'm saying is right now Xenoblade's popularity or 'importance' can't be measured by sales figures - we'll have a better idea come X.

 

[TrainerLITTLER]

Not sure if this has been pointed out, but is that Snake behind the boxing ring?

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

What? His minigame was one of the most popular and he (or Marhsall) were used on all of the video game covers. And he's not a generic character simply because he's got a simple design. The same could be applied to Mr.G&W or WFT, and they eneded up being great characters. For pete's sake his minigame was featured in a commercial with Beyonce. You come off as extremely uneducated and rude sometimes, do you know that?

Beyonce confirmed.