SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Shadocat]

Gonna throw in my two cents with this Sal leak(And pretty much every other leak)

Chrom: I really don't understand the concept of these "leakers" listing Chrom/Lucina/Avatar as a Fire Emblem Rep over anyone else. Every time I read a leak with any of those names, I immediately disregard it.I'm not trying to bash or flame here, but I would honestly prefer say characters like Micaiah,Vaike,Owain(Personally on my Smash 4 Wishlist),Jaffar,Roy(with Project M's moveset),Hector or Sully.

Mii: an outright waste of a slot. I will Never take back that statement. EVER.

Pac-Man: a no-go for me. Would rather have Snake back or another Namco newcomer(Like from Tekken or Soul Calibur).

Shulk: I don't know who Shulk is, but I would want him in out of curiosity.

Chorus Men: Wtf??

Palutena: eh, no thanks. Would rather have Phosphora or Dark Pit(He could work, just like how Toon Link worked.)

 

[Cap'nChreest]

You know If Palutena hadn't been leaked we probably would've gotten her already. Now she is doomed to be a secret character... (well if the leak is actually real)

 

[TheTuninator]

No need for the ad hominem zinger. Again, I'm not specifically ripping on the Chorus Men, I'm voicing an observation about the community's approach to characters. No one can negatively comment about any character without being shunned as 'entitled' or 'whiny,' despite the roster being one of the most important parts of the game, and despite every other aspect of the game getting nitpicked liberally.

People can't criticize a character without inciting flame wars because we have an entire section of the board dedicated to discussing characters people like and, more broadly, because everybody has certain characters they'd like to see in Smash.

If you say you don't like a character, of course that character's fans, and they will have fans here, are going to disagree with you.

Gonna throw in my two cents with this Sal leak.

Chrom: I really don't understand the concept of these "leakers" listing Chrom/Lucina/Avatar as a Fire Emblem Rep over anyone else. Every time I read a leak with any of those names, I immediately disregard it.I'm not trying to bash or flame here, but I would honestly prefer say characters like Micaiah,Vaike,Owain(Personally on my Smash 4 Wishlist),Jaffar,Roy(with Project M's moveset),Hector or Sully.

I would rather see every Fire Emblem character cut than see Micaiah in Smash. I've never encountered a worse character, nor a character I've hated more.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Gonna throw in my two cents with this Sal leak.

Chrom: I really don't understand the concept of these "leakers" listing Chrom/Lucina/Avatar as a Fire Emblem Rep over anyone else. Every time I read a leak with any of those names, I immediately disregard it.I'm not trying to bash or flame here, but I would honestly prefer say characters like Micaiah,Vaike,Owain(Personally on my Smash 4 Wishlist),Jaffar,Roy(with Project M's moveset),Hector or Sully.

Mii: an outright waste of a slot. I will Never take back that statement. EVER.

Pac-Man: a no-go for me. Would rather have Snake back or another Namco newcomer(Like from Tekken or Soul Calibur).

Shulk: I don't know who Shulk is, but I would want him in out of curiosity.

Chorus Men: Wtf??

Palutena: eh, no thanks. Would rather have Phosphora or Dark Pit(He could work, just like how Toon Link worked.)

See you started off well with the Micaiah bit, but that Palutena part I disagree with.

 

[Johnny Wellens]

I dislike this argument that Brawl had 6 Pokemon reps. Charizard, Squirtle and Ivysaur count has half a rep each because you're forced to swap. You can't viably stay Charizard or Squirtle and not suffer from it. So I say Pokemon had 4 1/2. Personal opinion of course. Also, hasn't the Zelda series technically had 5 reps since Melee, which is 1 more than Mario got in Brawl.

 

[Extrain]

Gonna throw in my two cents with this Sal leak.

Chrom: I really don't understand the concept of these "leakers" listing Chrom/Lucina/Avatar as a Fire Emblem Rep over anyone else. Every time I read a leak with any of those names, I immediately disregard it.I'm not trying to bash or flame here, but I would honestly prefer say characters like Micaiah,Vaike,Owain(Personally on my Smash 4 Wishlist),Jaffar,Roy(with Project M's moveset),Hector or Sully.

Mii: an outright waste of a slot. I will Never take back that statement. EVER.

Pac-Man: a no-go for me. Would rather have Snake back or another Namco newcomer(Like from Tekken or Soul Calibur).

Shulk: I don't know who Shulk is, but I would want him in out of curiosity.

Chorus Men: Wtf??

Palutena: eh, no thanks. Would rather have Phosphora or Dark Pit(He could work, just like how Toon Link worked.)

It sounds more like more like you're giving you're two cents about the newcomers themselves rather than the leak lol. With Chrom, I'm sure people are putting them in leaks (whether they're real or not) because the FE people are definitely going to tell Sakurai to put Chrom in, if that's how he gets a FE newcomer anyways.

 

[VioletSmashfan]

I dislike this argument that Brawl had 6 Pokemon reps. Charizard, Squirtle and Ivysaur count has half a rep each because you're forced to swap. You can't viably stay Charizard or Squirtle and not suffer from it. So I say Pokemon had 4 1/2. Personal opinion of course. Also, hasn't the Zelda series technically had 5 reps since Melee, which is 1 more than Mario got in Brawl.

Yes that is true, Zelda did have 5 reps, in Melee and Brawl, and is likely to get 5 once again (probably the reason why Ganondorf hasn't been revealed yet, he's getting a full-blown moveset redesign).

Whether you agree or disagree with the Pokémon roster from Brawl they did in fact had 6 playable reps (it's just that your forced to switch out every now and then thereby making the Trainer being over 3 extra reps with his 3 Pokémon), Sakurai said that himself that Pokémon had 6 in Brawl, and it's pretty much been proven with Charizard being on his own this time around.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Where did this rule that

No need for the ad hominem zinger. Again, I'm not specifically ripping on the Chorus Men, I'm voicing an observation about the community's approach to characters. No one can negatively comment about any character without being shunned as 'entitled' or 'whiny,' despite the roster being one of the most important parts of the game, and despite every other aspect of the game getting nitpicked liberally.

The Mii isn't a newcomer yet. When it gets revealed, you can bet there's going to be a whole lot of "Oooh, the Mii is so cool, I didn't even expect that! It's totally growing on me and is a good choice!" It's cyclical, and it's pervasive.

Well if you're point of reference was revealed characters then Marshall does not yet qualify and I do not see the point of your original statement in regards to my comment.

(I still haven't made peace with Mii)

 

[Johnny Wellens]

Also, I know a lot of people are against Miis, but logically they make sense. They're a huge part of Nintendo, ever since the Wii. The fact that they weren't in Brawl still surprises me. They're a staple of Nintendo now. They're the G&W of Wii in a way. They deserve a spot due to their uniqueness to Nintendo. That's not to say that I want Miis to take a spot away from characters whom I feel deserve it more, or just plain want such as King K. Rool and Ridley. Just that they make sense to me and to the series as it serves as a celebration of Nintendo.

 

[Luigi#1]

You know If Palutena hadn't been leaked we probably would've gotten her already. Now she is doomed to be a secret character... (well if the leak is actually real)

 

[Johnny Wellens]

Yes that is true, Zelda did have 5 reps, in Melee and Brawl, and is likely to get 5 once again (probably the reason why Ganondorf hasn't been revealed yet, he's getting a full-blown moveset redesign).

That'd be great. Ganondorf is the only character I've ever enjoyed playing as from the Zelda franchise. A focus on some sword and magic moves would be welcomed.

 

[Gaxel]

Did you guys see the Tomodachi Life trailer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lcmx4kC0tiU

It's a game all about Mii social life. I think this really heightens Mii's chances...

Game looks good but, I really don't want Mii in.

 

[BKupa666]

People can't criticize a character without inciting flame wars because we have an entire section of the board dedicated to discussing characters people like and, more broadly, because everybody has certain characters they'd like to see in Smash.

If you say you don't like a character, of course that character's fans, and they will have fans here, are going to disagree with you.

I would rather see every Fire Emblem character cut than see Micaiah in Smash. I've never encountered a worse character, nor a character I've hated more.

Having a board dedicated to character discussion is all the more reason that sort of talk should be encouraged, not frowned upon. It's more than just character fans doing the disagreeing, it's large portions of the board who just accept whatever characters are thrown at them, and berate others who would prefer different characters, as you probably would if Micaiah got added over anyone else.

 

[TheTuninator]

Having a board dedicated to character discussion is all the more reason that sort of talk should be encouraged, not frowned upon. It's more than just character fans doing the disagreeing, it's large portions of the board who just accept whatever characters are thrown at them, and berate others who would prefer different characters, as you probably would if Micaiah got added over anyone else.

I'm not going to berate anybody who wants Micaiah in. I just hate her.

 

[Captain Fun]

Gonna throw in my two cents with this Sal leak(And pretty much every other leak)

Chrom: I really don't understand the concept of these "leakers" listing Chrom/Lucina/Avatar as a Fire Emblem Rep over anyone else

I assume because those are currently the more popular/relevant Fire Emblem characters right now. They seem like the most likely choices if Fire Emblem is getting a newcomer at all.

 

[The Light Music Club]

People can't criticize a character without inciting flame wars because we have an entire section of the board dedicated to discussing characters people like and, more broadly, because everybody has certain characters they'd like to see in Smash.

If you say you don't like a character, of course that character's fans, and they will have fans here, are going to disagree with you.



I would rather see every Fire Emblem character cut than see Micaiah in Smash. I've never encountered a worse character, nor a character I've hated more.

Could you please explain to me in the character discussion thread why you hate my most wanted newcomer so much?

 

[BKupa666]

Well if you're point of reference was revealed characters then Marshall does not yet qualify and I do not see the point of your original statement in regards to my comment.

(I still haven't made peace with Mii)

I made my original statement with regard to Marshall because I have observed the effect I mentioned earlier already taking place with him, before he's even gotten revealed. It's frustrating to me because I'd like to see more nuanced discussion of newcomers, but already, the general sentiment appears to be working against that.

I'm not going to berate anybody who wants Micaiah in. I just hate her.

That was worded poorly, I was referring to you with 'would prefer different characters,' not 'berate.'

 

[VioletSmashfan]

That'd be great. Ganondorf is the only character I've ever enjoyed playing as from the Zelda franchise. A focus on some sword and magic moves would be welcomed.

To be quite honest, that's exactly what Ganondorf's moveset should have been from the very beginning, instead they made him into a fat/dark version of Captain Falcon.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Why would they reveal a character that's already been revealed? Theres no reason to. If they did reveal her before the game comes out it won't be a surprise to anyone. They'd just save her and reveal someone that the audience doesn't know will be in the game. There would be less hype if Palutena was revealed in comparison to a character we don't know about.

 

[The Light Music Club]

The thing on the leak that I don't like the most is Mii, mainly because not everyone will be able to access there Mii, say if at a friends house. I don't think Sakurai would have that happen.

 

[VioletSmashfan]

The thing on the leak that I don't like the most is Mii, mainly because not everyone will be able to access there Mii, say if at a friends house. I don't think Sakurai would have that happen.

If anything the Mii would be added just as a novelty character being used for only For Fun online mode and for regular matches, although I do disagree with the Mii getting in as a primary playable character.

 

[TheTuninator]

Could you please explain to me in the character discussion thread why you hate my most wanted newcomer so much?

Eh, I'd rather not rain on the parade in a support thread. Suffice it to say that I found her terrible in gameplay due to her awkward promotions and absolutely atrocious in the story. The game forces you to support Daien's restoration despite giving you no real compelling reason at the start. Micaiah is insufferably perfect and completely fails to address the very real problems with Daien society, such as the absolutely rampant racism and warmongering. We're supposed to believe that Micaiah has lived in Daien for decades and yet was completely ignorant of the fact that most Daein citizens treat Laguz like objects to be disposed of? I mean, come on. She's just awful. Radiant Dawn's plot only became enjoyable when Elincia and Ike arrived on the scene.

 

[Bauske]

Since someone pointed out that my neutral roster still had some bias going on I re-did it. I believe it now is fully based on the rumours in this thread. Please take a look.

This roster is based on 3 points, I will explain why I added the non confirmed characters:

- The Sal leak
That's why I added Pac-Man, Mii, Shulk, Palutena, Chrom, Marshal.

- Direct trophies theory
That's why I added a FE rep (Chrom), KI rep (Palutena), Metroid rep (Ridley), Zelda rep (Ghirasim). Chrom overlaps with the Sal leak so that's an easy choice. Palutena because of the Palutena leak. Ridley because of the direct's vagueness about him. Ghirasim for no good reason other than Fi being a Skyward trophy, could very well be a different Zelda rep.

- Direct oddities speculation.
Mewtwo, with the addition of the masterball I found it very odd he didn't appear as one of the legendaries. The most likely reason being him being playable. With the directs preference to mega-evolutions and two seemingly cut pkmn it seems to make space for two new ones, with only Greninja confirmed so far all the clues seem to be pointed towards Mewtwo.

I kept the rest of the unconfirmed veterans in because of the intention Sakurai expressed of keeping as many veterans in as possible. I think we don't have any believable leak atm that can justify cuts.


I could add more characters based on more speculation from the direct footage, but this roster is supposed to portrait the most likely leaks and rumours. If I missed something important in this thread please let me know.

I really like this roster. The layout is almost perfect. Characters are all grouped together in their appropriate places and it really makes sense. Super job on this!

Gonna throw in my two cents with this Sal leak(And pretty much every other leak)

Chrom: I really don't understand the concept of these "leakers" listing Chrom/Lucina/Avatar as a Fire Emblem Rep over anyone else. Every time I read a leak with any of those names, I immediately disregard it.I'm not trying to bash or flame here, but I would honestly prefer say characters like Micaiah,Vaike,Owain(Personally on my Smash 4 Wishlist),Jaffar,Roy(with Project M's moveset),Hector or Sully.

Mii: an outright waste of a slot. I will Never take back that statement. EVER.

Pac-Man: a no-go for me. Would rather have Snake back or another Namco newcomer(Like from Tekken or Soul Calibur).

Shulk: I don't know who Shulk is, but I would want him in out of curiosity.

Chorus Men: Wtf??

Palutena: eh, no thanks. Would rather have Phosphora or Dark Pit(He could work, just like how Toon Link worked.)

You're basing the validity of a leak on your opinions rather than facts? That's not a smart move. Whether you like a character or not doesn't affect their chances of getting in. Just because you personally would rather have Phosphora doesn't mean that's what Sakurai or Namco's team is thinking.

I think this is a big problem with leaks. People tend to go "ew, I don't like that character, so this leak must be fake. Why would they choose them?" Yes, exactly, why? That's why we debate and discuss, and usually there is good reason behind choices, especially for one of the only remaining valid leaks out there.

Chrom makes sense because he's new and relevant. Mii makes sense because it's important to Nintendo and because there are several elements present in both games that point to Miis. Pac-Man makes sense because he's Namco's mascot and one of the most recognizable characters of all time. Shulk makes sense because of how popular Xenoblade was and him being a highly requested first-party character. Chorus Men/Marshal makes sense because of Sakurai's tendency to pick really random, weird characters. And Palutena make sense because of the picture leaks and Sakurai's fondness for Kid Icarus.

Whether another character would be better or not based on opinion is irrelevant, and it's discouraging to see leaks get discarded so quickly because of this. The Sal leak is still around because so far it's been right, not because it's been popular. If the Smash Bros. roster and reveals were based on popularity, we wouldn't have had Greninja in the last direct.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Eh, I'd rather not rain on the parade in a support thread. Suffice it to say that I found her terrible in gameplay due to her awkward promotions and absolutely atrocious in the story. The game forces you to support Daien's restoration despite giving you no real compelling reason at the start. Micaiah is insufferably perfect and completely fails to address the very real problems with Daien society, such as the absolutely rampant racism and warmongering. We're supposed to believe that Micaiah has lived in Daien for decades and yet was completely ignorant of the fact that most Daein citizens treat Laguz like objects to be disposed of? I mean, come on. She's just awful. Radiant Dawn's plot only became enjoyable when Elincia and Ike arrived on the scene.

I meant in the general thread. Plus, I thought Micaiah hadn't even been there in Daien all of the time, based on how Sothe was looking for her in Path of Radiance. Had she been there the entire time, Sothe and her would have always been together. But this isn't the place for that, sorry for the off topic post mods.

 

[Godking123]

Sorry for this somewhat off topic post, but we should get some dedicated artists to create a really cool looking Mewtwo silhouette drawing and have hundreds of Smash fans names on it and tweet it to Sakurai. That way we can really catch his eye and there should be a important message on the drawing, to show our passion for a veteran like Mewtwo to return. He usually likes when people draw things related to smash, and recognizes and appreciates them on twitter. We should have text on it in Japanese, saying "Revive the Physic Pokemon. Mewtwo 2014!"

 

[Dark Phazon]

You guys remember that fake leak i made saying Arceus would be a pokeball that rise and stomps creating earthquakes?

LmAoooooo came true.

 

[Luigi#1]

Why would they reveal a character that's already been revealed? Theres no reason to. If they did reveal her before the game comes out it won't be a surprise to anyone. They'd just save her and reveal someone that the audience doesn't know will be in the game. There would be less hype if Palutena was revealed in comparison to a character we don't know about.

There is reason to do it. Because so people don't freaking believe it because they wouldn't randomly change Mario's model for no reason what's so ever.

 

[Radical Bones]

Sorry for this somewhat off topic post, but we should get some dedicated artists to create a really cool looking Mewtwo silhouette drawing and have hundreds of Smash fans names on it and tweet it to Sakurai. That way we can really catch his eye and there should be a important message on the drawing, to show our passion for a veteran like Mewtwo to return. He usually likes when people draw things related to smash, and recognizes and appreciates them on twitter. We should have text on it in Japanese, saying "Revive the Physic Pokemon. Mewtwo 2014!"

As excellent this idea is, I'd say the characters have already been solidified. If he's not in it now, there's probably no time to put him in as balancing Mewtwo against the who roster would take ages.

I'm hoping he's in - 6 Pokemon reps is only fair, and not putting in Mewtwo would be a big mistake because of the hype he'd generate.

 

[VioletSmashfan]

You guys remember that fake leak i made saying Arceus would be a pokeball that rise and stomps creating earthquakes?

It looks like Roar of Time to me, when I 1st saw it I thought it was going to use it's signature Judgment attack, but I was kinda disappointed slightly, at least Arceus and Meloetta are in the game as Master Ball Pokémon (Meloetta's my favorite 5th Gen Pokémon), now hoping Gardevoir returns to a similar role as a Pokeball Pokémon, since it'll be the only way for her to show up again (although Charizard/Greninja's direct trailer kinda de-confirms her in a way, since she's spotted amongst the Pokémon popping from Pokeballs, very hard to see since it happens very fast, and she wasn't spotted in any of the Pokémon Pokeball pics either.)

 

[Godking123]

As excellent this idea is, I'd say the characters have already been solidified. If he's not in it now, there's probably no time to put him in as balancing Mewtwo against the who roster would take ages.

I'm hoping he's in - 6 Pokemon reps is only fair, and not putting in Mewtwo would be a big mistake because of the hype he'd generate.

Yeah, you are right. I know he is either already in or never appearing, but it would still be nice to see his reaction. And he is not the guy to give much hints. I just want to know if he is done with the "We are thinking about it!" statement, and more in the stage where he says, "We already put Mewtwo in."
Oops double post

 

[SomewhatMystia]

I don't know man, that heavy Pokemon trailer was enough to do Pokemon justice tenfold. I think if Mewtwo was returning he would have a trailer, and he would have been in that one. Jigglypuff won't be getting one obviously but I seriously doubt they will waste another one (trailer) on a Pokemon when we have a trailer with 2 of them.

My guess is that, if Mewtwo's in, he'll be revealed at E3 or not at all. Gotta have some surprises (and/or big announcements for E3).

 

[VioletSmashfan]

My guess is that, if Mewtwo's in, he'll be revealed at E3 or not at all. Gotta have some surprises (and/or big announcements for E3).

Mewtwo is more or less going to be in the E3 reveal (whether Sakurai confirms or de-confirms him will finally put those long awaited questions to rest for good).

 

[TewnLeenk]

As excellent this idea is, I'd say the characters have already been solidified. If he's not in it now, there's probably no time to put him in as balancing Mewtwo against the who roster would take ages.

I'm hoping he's in - 6 Pokemon reps is only fair, and not putting in Mewtwo would be a big mistake because of the hype he'd generate.

Pokemon X and Y has sold like 12 million copies or something crazy like that. Pokemon definitely deserves 6 reps. Mewtwo will be announced at E3 or something to generate maximum hype, along with Ridley oh god i hope

 

[SomewhatMystia]

Mewtwo is more or less going to be in the E3 reveal (whether Sakurai confirms or de-confirms him will finally put those long awaited questions to rest for good).

I was guessing him and Ridley, to be honest. (One of) the biggest newcomers and veterans in one show? The bloody internet'll explode.

 

[swordbreaker]

How do prople not know who Shulk is, is the Smash community made up mainly of people who play only one franchise plus Smash?

I love how people will rationilize why Sakurai will choose bad characters nobody asked for. Did I read that someone claimed Ryhthm Heaven a MAJOR franchise? The last game released at the very end of the Wii life cycle. And one guy described his Gamestop experience with the game as pure apathy with the customers. Lol what a damn joke.

 

[Radical Bones]

My guess is that, if Mewtwo's in, he'll be revealed at E3 or not at all. Gotta have some surprises (and/or big announcements for E3).

Well, Sakurai gave Charizard half a trailer for being split from his team, even though it was technically Greninja's trailer. Mewtwo could appear in the opening of someone else's trailer. Say, for example, Shulk is revealed, we could have Mewtwo going on a rampage, defeating Mario, Samus etc, only to have Shulk come in and save the day.

Just because Sakurai spent a lot of time on this Pokemon trailer, doesn't mean he won't give Mewtwo one.

Another option is if Mewtwo and Roy both return, and Sakurai could give them a joint trailer.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

My guess is that, if Mewtwo's in, he'll be revealed at E3 or not at all. Gotta have some surprises (and/or big announcements for E3).

Well if he does not show mewtwo at E3 the. He won't be revealed till after the 3ds version comes out

 

[Spazzy_D]

I made my original statement with regard to Marshall because I have observed the effect I mentioned earlier already taking place with him, before he's even gotten revealed. It's frustrating to me because I'd like to see more nuanced discussion of newcomers, but already, the general sentiment appears to be working against that.'

The issue I take with your comment is twofold. First, you are assuming that Smash fans have some sort of hive mind and that is the sole reason there is not a great deal of complaints regarding newly revealed characters. You do not take into account that these characters, many of whom were actively disliked, were implemented into the game in a way that fans of the Smash series find fresh and exciting. No one really wanted Wii Fit Trainer, but once we saw how fun her move set looked we readily accepted her. On top of that, there are still MANY people that complain about characters... I still see lot of random Little Mac and Rosalina hate.

Secondly, you are deciding what has "quality or merit" based solely on your own standards. You singled out Marshall with that quote when the rhythm genre is something that most likely should be represented by a playable character as it has become a sizable part of Nintendo's business. You don't know Marshall so he must not be a quality character. It is out of the realm of possibility that people would like or see the possibilities in such a character. I was using K. Rool as an example. Donkey Kong Country Returns sold more copies without him then any game that included him excluding the original DKC. He is not necessary for the success of his series, so does he have merit? (I do think he has merit, however that is not the point of this post.)

I was merely pointing out that Marshall has not had the backlash Mii or even Pacman received, and that is as an announced character. You can see any patterns you want with new reveals, but don't assign them to characters we are speculating about. Many of those still receive a large amount of hate.

Anyway, this is getting super off topic so this is the last I'm writing about it. If you want to continue this in another thread let me know.

 

[Radical Bones]

I love how people will rationilize why Sakurai will choose bad characters nobody asked for. Did I read that someone claimed Ryhthm Heaven a MAJOR franchise? The last game released at the very end of the Wii life cycle. And one guy described his Gamestop experience with the game as pure apathy with the customers. Lol what a damn joke.

There are three games in the Rhythm series. I like that Sakurai tries to include as many series' as he can in Smash. The game isn't called Mario vs. Pokemon. It's about all of Nintendo - popular or not. You scrutinise people for not knowing Shulk, yet you haven't played Rhythm Heaven. Some people probably like Rhythm games more than JRPG's, and would rather see their kind of game represented.

 

[S_B]

(The closest thing to a villain Pokemon will ever get.)