SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Extrain]

Sal's leak did predict Greninja, but in a vague way. While extremely suspicious or obvious to some, and kind of vague, he still did predict Greninja. Greninja is a pokemon from X and Y. Nobody's saying it's confirmed, we're still skeptic. It's just that this leak in general has more going for it than any other leak so far. 5/6 newcomers is what's making this leak credible. It has more going for it than against it.

Oh, and that guy a few pages back never replied. This is what he was talking about when he said a Nintendo Employee said that the ND didn't reveal everything it was originally intended to.

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/225879-...ay-s-smash-bros-direct-is-hiding-a-few-things

 

[Spazzy_D]

Jeez, it was just speculation/observation. No need to be like this about it.

Didn't mean for it to come across as aggressive, it's just the sort of argument you hear around this place a lot, and it doesn't have much merit. If we see Ike get cut for Chrom, then I can see that happening again in Smash 5. Right now though, it's just a one off occurrence. Sorry if I offended you at all.

 

[Arcanir]

Besides, if K. Rool was a boss alongside Ridley, why not say so? I wouldn't even be mad if it was true, because at least then people could get to experience him again. I'm still betting on playable, but either way.

I would agree with you, if it wasn't for the Ridley thing. The fact of the matter is he did tease him in some manner and let it simmer until dropping the bomb yesterday, something similar could easily happen for him or any other newcomer that we're looking forward to.

I'm honestly hoping that's not the case though as King K. Rool is one of the last newcomers left standing that I want in the game, but there are circumstances that can work against him if Sakurai so chooses to use them.

 

[GreenReaperGod]

I personally think Ike might be cut seeing as how it would fit into a pattern. Roy in melee, Ike in brawl, and likely Chrom in SSB4. As for the Sal leak, I think it's safe to say that it might be true...except for the Chorus Men part. Seriously, that doesn't even seem SLIGHTLY possible. Maybe the rhythm heaven girl herself, attacking with all the items and such like villager, but just the random chorus men?

Since Young Link was replaced with Toon Link, I could claim that Toon Link will be replaced with a different Link. That didn't happen.

The whole fire emblem character #2 getting replaced has only happened once and therefore is not a pattern.

 

[ScottyWK]

I would agree with you, if it wasn't for the Ridley thing. The fact of the matter is he did tease him in some manner and let it simmer until dropping the bomb yesterday, something similar could easily happen for him or any other newcomer that we're looking forward to.

I'm honestly hoping that's not the case though as King K. Rool is one of the last newcomers left standing that I want in the game, but there are circumstances that can work against him if Sakurai so chooses to use them.

Another thing that doesn't make sense is how people discredit leaks because of lack of information. So because a leaker claims Ridley as a boss but not K. Rool, that makes him less credible if K. Rool is a boss? Same can be said about anything in the game. Leaker didn't leak the blue shell, and the blue shell is in the game. His info clearly must be wrong since the leaker didn't mention the blue shell in his leak...

I feel like people are believing what they want to believe, like the leaks are religion. If it fits what you want or believe to be true, then you'll run with it. If it isn't what you like, you find a better one that isn't totally debunked.

 

[TheTuninator]

Sal's leak did predict Greninja, but in a vague way. While extremely suspicious or obvious to some, and kind of vague, he still did predict Greninja. Greninja is a pokemon from X and Y. Nobody's saying it's confirmed, we're still skeptic. It's just that this leak in general has more going for it than any other leak so far. 5/6 newcomers is what's making this leak credible. It has more going for it than against it.

Saying that he's predicted 5/6 newcomers is exactly what I'm arguing against. He hasn't. He should be given no credit for "Pokemon from X & Y" due to the incredibly vague nature of that prediction.

Wii Fit Trainer, not any of the other predictions, makes the leak credible. If right, Chorus Men will lend further credibility to the leak, as both are very infrequently guessed.

I personally think Ike might be cut seeing as how it would fit into a pattern. Roy in melee, Ike in brawl, and likely Chrom in SSB4. As for the Sal leak, I think it's safe to say that it might be true...except for the Chorus Men part. Seriously, that doesn't even seem SLIGHTLY possible. Maybe the rhythm heaven girl herself, attacking with all the items and such like villager, but just the random chorus men?

Can't ever rule out a rumor just because it doesn't seem possible. Most people dismissed ROB as impossible for Brawl.

 

[Banjodorf]

I would discuss that further, but like I said, I'm really, really tried of arguing in circles about things we can't change. Some leakers may leave info out, others may not. If K. Rool's a boss, or a PC, it's whatever. I'm just tired of sitting on my ass and hoping. Guh...

@Turninator

Aw come on man. He's been right so far, and suddenly "X&Y newcomer" shows up the literal morning of the direct from his source, and somehow it's a coincidence?

If he'd been saying "an X&Y newcomer" all along, sure, but the morning of it's suddenly added on? That's a bit more than I can ignore.

 

[Shroob]

Saying that he's predicted 5/6 newcomers is exactly what I'm arguing against. He hasn't. He should be given no credit for "Pokemon from X & Y" due to the incredibly vague nature of that prediction.

Wii Fit Trainer, not any of the other predictions, makes the leak credible. If right, Chorus Men will lend further credibility to the leak, as both are very infrequently guessed.



Can't ever rule out a rumor just because it doesn't seem possible. Most people dismissed ROB as impossible for Brawl.

The problem I see with this is that I don't believe for a second that the chorus men will be revealed pre-launch. If they're the wtf choice, then we won't know of them til the game comes out.

 

[Chimera]

Sal's leak did predict Greninja, but in a vague way. While extremely suspicious or obvious to some, and kind of vague, he still did predict Greninja. Greninja is a pokemon from X and Y. Nobody's saying it's confirmed, we're still skeptic. It's just that this leak in general has more going for it than any other leak so far. 5/6 newcomers is what's making this leak credible. It has more going for it than against it.

That's like me predicting "a character from the Mario franchise" and you saying I made a valid prediction because Rosalina was announced. But if a bullet bill was announced, I'd still be correct. Anybody could do that.

 

[TheAnvil]

The fact that Sheik and ZSS haven't been cut further cements that there probably won't be any cuts from Brawl. I can't believe for a minute that he'd bring back those characters and cut 2 popular Pokemon.

Also want to say that Sal's last "leak" made it sound like a pokemon x and y trainer. Otherwise it would have just said Greninja.

 

[Banjodorf]

The fact that Sheik and ZSS haven't been cut further cements that there probably won't be any cuts from Brawl. I can't believe for a minute that he'd bring back those characters and cut 2 popular Pokemon.

Also want to say that Sal's last "leak" made it sound like a pokemon x and y trainer. Otherwise it would have just said Greninja.

No cuts is fine and all, I just literally can't see a reason to include Squirtle and Ivysaur without Pokemon Trainer. I'm sure it's going to continue to be fought about until the release however.

At this point, I'm pretty convinced Snake is gone, so I'm not sure about a no cut theory in general, however.

 

[Extrain]

That's like me predicting "a character from the Mario franchise" and you saying I made a valid prediction because Rosalina was announced. But if a bullet bill was announced, I'd still be correct. Anybody could do that.

This....doesn't change the fact that he was still correct....Did he say "a character from the Pokemon franchise"? No, he gave a specific generation/game so that point is moot. He did indeed say a pokemon from x y was going to be revealed and it happened. In that sense he was correct.To say otherwise makes absolutely no sense. Whether it was vague or not, he was still correct. This is just like you guys saying the leak was debunked just because all of the characters at e3 weren't revealed. Just nitpicking. We'll see as time goes on. And once again (Just like e3) he gave a list of newcomers right before it happened and one of them were revealed. Yes it was an obvious choice (as were others on that list), similar to Little Mac, but he's still correct either way.

And no, not anybody could predict Wii Fit Trainer.

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/225879-...ay-s-smash-bros-direct-is-hiding-a-few-things
Edit again. Don't know if this means anything ^

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

So I decided to see what the game would look like following Sal's and the 48 and 4 cuts leaks:

Roster:
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(Note: The ? icon is the Chorus Men for now)

Starters (Speculation): Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Rosalina, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Yoshi, Wario, Link, Zelda, Sheik, Toon Link, Pit, Marth, Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Villager, Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, Samus, Zero Suit Samus, Fox, Captain Falcon, Ness, Little Mac, Wii Fit Trainer, Ice Climbers, Olimar, and Mii. Totals to 33 starters.

Unlockables (Speculation): R.O.B., Ganondorf, Palutena, Chrom, Shulk, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Falco, Wolf, Lucas, Mr. Game and Watch, Chorus Men, Mega Man, Sonic, and Pac-Man. Totals to 15 unlockables.

Cuts: Squirtle, Ivysaur, Snake, Ike.

Mewtwo is in there even though it wasn't mentioned in Sal's leak because if you just cut 4 characters from Brawl, It totals to 47 and not 48. Mewtwo would be considered a veteran because he has appeared in a previous Smash Bros. game and Sal's leak only talked about newcomers.

That leaves 7 characters before release to reveal (including Pac-Man). The third parties are all unlockable as in Brawl. I predict Meta Knight will be revealed on May 2nd, on the U.S. release of Kirby Triple Deluxe and Wario will be revealed on May 29th, the Japanese release of Mario Kart 8. I also predict Captain Falcon, Ness, Ice Climbers, Pac-Man, and Mii will be revealed at E3 and Super Smash Bros. 4 for the 3DS will release sometime in July.

Theres just one other character though the kremlings is a enemy so that hints king k rool

But overall that is by far the most likely roster yet

 

[kylexv]

Theres just one other character though the kremlings is a enemy so that hints king k rool

But overall that is by far the most likely roster yet

I know. Kind of strange not to have a third DK character. Still have hopes on one, whether K. Rool or Dixie, though.

 

[Malcolm Belmont]

I know. Kind of strange not to have a third DK character. Still have hopes on one, whether K. Rool or Dixie, though.

At this point i don't think Dixie will make it..

 

[Wolfie557]

I know. Kind of strange not to have a third DK character. Still have hopes on one, whether K. Rool or Dixie, though.

personally I prefer Dixie, and I think the kremlings do slightly increase k rools chances......but they are well known enemies...and that could just be it. plus, they have tikis there also.

 

[kylexv]

EDIT: Ignore this post.

 

[EmbersToAshes]

Interesting to note. Copied this from the official Smash Bros. Facebook

(*For Australia & New Zealand: Nintendo 3DS planned for this winter and Wii U targeting summer 2014.)

Wow. Just wow.

I thought the same to begin with and got excited about just importing an Australian Wii U copy come Summer - until I realized that their Summer is our Winter, and vice versa.

 

[ScottyWK]

Interesting to note. Copied this from the official Smash Bros. Facebook

(*For Australia & New Zealand: Nintendo 3DS planned for this winter and Wii U targeting summer 2014.)

Wow. Just wow.

I'd keep an eye on that...they may have just made a mistake. I can't imagine them flipping it around for the Oceanic crowd.

 

[Extrain]

I'd keep an eye on that...they may have just made a mistake. I can't imagine them flipping it around for the Oceanic crowd.

Like EmberToashes said. I made the same mistake..

 

[TheAnvil]

No cuts is fine and all, I just literally can't see a reason to include Squirtle and Ivysaur without Pokemon Trainer. I'm sure it's going to continue to be fought about until the release however.

At this point, I'm pretty convinced Snake is gone, so I'm not sure about a no cut theory in general, however.

... Because they're both popular, relevant and unique. Greninja doesn't even play anything like Squirtle did.

Any particular reason why you're convinced that Snake is gone?

 

[Arcanir]

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/225879-...ay-s-smash-bros-direct-is-hiding-a-few-things
Edit again. Don't know if this means anything ^

Well, there probably are still some hints and tidbits in there, especially since we did have ones like Palutena (though that one was more jerking us around) and the Wii U Elite Four stage. If there is more to it, then it'll be interesting to find out what they all are.

 

[TheTuninator]

I will be very surprised if Squirtle and Ivysaur return. They're popular, but far less popular than Charizard, and Pokemon from later gens are likely more popular among people who are active fans of the franchise.

DK is a series that sits pretty comfortably with just Donkey Kong and Diddy, especially given the unfortunate neglect of K. Rool in recent releases. I've never thought that a third DK rep was guaranteed, though most leaks seemed to disagree.

I see no reason to assume that Snake will be cut. He was an awkward fit in Brawl, but he garnered quite a few fans and had a very unique and fun moveset. Sakurai will not cut Snake lightly.

 

[Shroob]

I will be very surprised if Squirtle and Ivysaur return. They're popular, but far less popular than Charizard, and Pokemon from later gens are likely more popular among people who are active fans of the franchise.

DK is a series that sits pretty comfortably with just Donkey Kong and Diddy, especially given the unfortunate neglect of K. Rool in recent releases. I've never thought that a third DK rep was guaranteed, though most leaks seemed to disagree.

I see no reason to assume that Snake will be cut. He was an awkward fit in Brawl, but he garnered quite a few fans and had a very unique and fun moveset. Sakurai will not cut Snake lightly.

Pretty sure the reasoning is more or less the Kojima interview. I feel if we don't see Snake at E3, then he's a goner, since I expect another 3rd party to be revealed at E3.... *CoughPacmancough*

 

[TheTuninator]

As a returning veteran and one whose status is very much in contention, Snake could easily return as a hidden character with no announcement prior to release.

Plus, it'd be pretty in-character for Solid Snake to stay hidden, don't you think?

 

[Banjodorf]

... Because they're both popular, relevant and unique. Greninja doesn't even play anything like Squirtle did.

Any particular reason why you're convinced that Snake is gone?

Well, for one I can't fathom why Sakurai would make Sheik's new side-b grenades if another character already used grenades as a unique mechanic.

Kojima's tweets, and a surprising absence (though granted this can be said about some missing veterans as well.) of anything even hinting at him, makes me think he's gone. I'm not going to sit here and honestly believe we'll see 8 Pokemon newcomers (assuming we also get Mewtwo and Jiggs) in the game, let alone 4 third-party characters.

Nothing's adding up in their favor. I just can't see it. I can certainly see why people defend them and wish to see them, but I maintain popularity and relevancy won't save every character.

 

[Wolfie557]

snake is probably out

 

[Shroob]

As a returning veteran and one whose status is very much in contention, Snake could easily return as a hidden character with no announcement prior to release.

Plus, it'd be pretty in-character for Solid Snake to stay hidden, don't you think?

Honestly, we'll see, but considering he is 3rd party, I think that it would be very out of character for Nintendo to say nothing. Sonic got the entire month of October more or less to himself.

 

[Starbound]

I'm just gonna share that any leaks saying that this game is coming out before E3 are wrong.

I went to Gamestop today to see if I could place a pre order. Nintendo called them earlier in the day and said that they can't make preorders until they get a price, which comes around 8 weeks before the release. 8 weeks from now is E3.

I mean, it's not like anyone was thinking it was coming out before E3 in June, but confirmation of anything helps this thread.

 

[TheTuninator]

If Link, Toon Link, and Pit can all shoot bows, why can't Sheik and Snake both use grenades?

 

[Banjodorf]

If Link, Toon Link, and Pit can all shoot bows, why can't Sheik and Snake both use grenades?

That's fair, but I still don't understand why Sheik would get the grenades. There have to be other potential specials for that. Why not some kind of deku nut blind? Then again, that's an item.

We'll see.

 

[Protom]

Can someone please link me to or explain this whole Sal leak thing?
I'm confuzed

 

[Shroob]

If Link, Toon Link, and Pit can all shoot bows, why can't Sheik and Snake both use grenades?

They can, but at the end of the day, third party characters are guests, and Nintendo treats them with respect. If Snake is to not get his own trailer like Sonic did, then I don't see him happening.

 

[Wolfie557]

If Link, Toon Link, and Pit can all shoot bows, why can't Sheik and Snake both use grenades?

shush! let me have my hope of snake cut!

 

[TheTuninator]

They can, but at the end of the day, third party characters are guests, and Nintendo treats them with respect. If Snake is to not get his own trailer like Sonic did, then I don't see him happening.

It's a fair point, but given that Sakurai has to be aware that many people do not expect Snake to return, as well as the stealthy nature of Snake as a character, I'm not going to write Snake off until we have the finalized roster in our hands.

 

[dezeray112]

Can someone please link me to or explain this whole Sal leak thing?
I'm confuzed

http://gematsu.com/2014/04/rumor-shulk-palutena-set-super-smash-bros

Last Year, the same tipper stated that Little Mac, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, Mii and Pac-Man were all supposed to be shown at E3 2013.

 

[GreenReaperGod]

Considering that the guy who tipped off SalRomano doesn't appear to be a Nintendo expert, I can believe that he may have seen gameplay of Greninja and didn't know who the pokemon was. Remember, he also called the Villager "Animal Crossing Guy"

 

[Protom]

Confirmed:
Greninja (Pokemon)
Little Mac (Punch Out!!)
Mega Man (Mega Man)
Rosalina & Luma (Super Mario)
Villager (Animal Crossing)
Wii Fit Trainer (Wii Fit)

Rumored:
Choir Men (Rhythm Heaven)
Chrom (Fire Emblem)
Mii (Wii Series)
Pac-Man (Pac-Man)
Palutena (Kid Icarus)
Shulk (Xenoblade)

This could very well be the newcomer list guys. If it is, then what do you guys think of it?

This could be, but not every single newcomer. Remember the guy never spoke a word of Rosalina, and she got in. So even if this is all true, it's probably not everything

 

[S_B]

As a returning veteran and one whose status is very much in contention, Snake could easily return as a hidden character with no announcement prior to release.

Plus, it'd be pretty in-character for Solid Snake to stay hidden, don't you think?

Possibly through all of SSB4! (sorry I had to)

I'm now rethinking my stance on Ridley being playable for sure. Remember in the Megaman trailer how the yellow devil started to build but then it faded out?

If Ridley is being given the same treatment, it may very well be the case that this is how Sakurai wants to treat all bosses: giving us a "teaser" of the boss first, then showing the actual boss at a later date.

So yeah, I don't think Ridley is as guaranteed as I originally suggested... :\

 

[TheTuninator]

Good point on the Yellow Devil.