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OMG THERE'S NO WAI THAT CAN BE REAL HE'S NOTHING LIKE FROAKIE OR FROGADIER THEREFORE HE IS FAKEGuys! Breaking new info! It looks like Greninja was leaked before he was officially revealed!
I speak the truth, not the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Why not?
zelda and mario have five characters, its totally possible for pokemon to have five
Eh I don't think Ridley will make it either especially not after this latest direct, but this leak is false, and I seriously doubt PotraitOfRuin has anything to do with it. While most of it may well be true, notice that last bit about hosting rooms iwth your own item/rule set ups? Yeah pretty much everything Sakurai said about "For Fun" and "For Glory" suggests that that is not the case. Unless you are playing with friends you have to pick one of those two rule sets. Those far different then being able to host a room with custom rules for people to join.
If we DO get newcomers not mentioned by Sal, I would think to look at Mewtwo, (Ridley), DK, and LoZ first. Then, possibly Bandana, Krystal, and other smaller franchises.
Mario's the baby, I'm talking about character slots. No one's passing Mario in these. It's Jiggs or Mewtwo now, and I'm afraid with Lucario and Greninja the battle already looks lost.
q: did you play brawl and did you ever play PT
This is a damn lie. I have a preorder reciept from Gamestop with the both versions of the games on it.
Without transformations this time, I think exceeding five is too far fetched. People were counting out Bowser Jr. and Daisy, as well as all other Mario characters because Mario reached 5. Now Pokemon's at 4 with two favorites left out and everyone's throwing a hissy fit. Truth is, Greninja and Lucario fill up Mewtwo's niche, and six characters would be overkill. Well, I'm the only one who seems to agree with that right now, I get it. Until we get Jr. or Dr. Mario or something like that, I'm counting Mewtwo out as well as any other Pokemon besides a few goodies and Jiggs.
Yes, I did.
... Did you ever play Pokemon Trainer?
Pokemon Company can tell Sakurai not to bother with Squirt and Ivy but keep Zard and give him his Mega Evolution.
I don't deny Jigglypuff is a shoe in most likely, but I don't see six as unreasonable. How many pokemon do you have on a team? 6. It's the perfect number to represent Pokemon with.
Agreed, 6 would actually seem fitting
I don't see how that's related to the conversation at hand. We're discussing if Ivysaur and Squirtle were considered their own 'characters' in Brawl.
Wait, who did it hint at? I could only think of Palutena, Ridley (still holding out hope), and possibly-maybe K. Rool.
Chrom or Lucina, with the Tiki Trophy.
Yes, I did. You know what happened after using his pokemon for a while? Forced switching. ZSS (technically) and Sheik did not have this. In this case, it was all under as one character and locked into that by the forced switching.
This arguing sure is pointless, because neither of us are going to give. We're looking at a 50 character-ish roster. That would make Pokemon represent over one tenth of the roster. Plus the Pokeballs, it seems like waaaaaay to much. They don't even give Mario that treatment.
Y'know, I never actually thought about seeing her trophy like that. I thought it was just Sakurai showing off something cool and making a nice little intermission thing.
50-ish? Depends on how many newcomers you expect. With the Sal Romano leak and the Mario Kart leak, I'm expecting 48, for reasoning other people have mentioned in this thread. 12 Newcomers and the rest being veterans.
So there will be 8 reps in SSB4?
Err, no. Ivysaur and Squirtle are long gone.
Never forget Brawl was planned to have Mewtwo. Argue the semantics of slots all you like, but even with your logic, Pokémon was planned to have five slots (possibly six if Plusle and Minun is truly what the seventh slot was for). Also consider Toon Zelda/Sheik being planned, which would give the Zelda series five slots by your logic. These characters failed to make the cut, yes, but that's mostly because of time constraints; had Sakurai gotten his way, both Zelda and Pokémon would have had more characters on the selection screen.
You mean like how the Pokémon in Brawl also took over a tenth of the roster? Whether you count it as thirty-five characters and four Pokémon or thirty-nine and six, it's over a tenth. Plus all the Poké Balls.
Sal never mentioned Rosalina & Luma though. For that reason there still exists the possibility that there's other newcomers he hasn't mentioned.
OR they were meant to be in.........but later sakurai decided to have toon link and lucario instead
Think of it like a March Madness bracket. Sure, there are millions of people guessing the outcome, but NONE of them had a perfect bracket.
dr mario j/s
So was Dr. Mario.
Oh crap, you're right. I knew there was someone I was forgetting. Well, I disagree entirely with the way you view multiple-character slots (because with the way the game functions it's inaccurate), but I can't argue with that.
Sakurai and his team do not disagree with the way he views it.