SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Louie G.]

Mii and Pac-Man both have their merits.
So I wouldn't be surprised or really disappointed to see them.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I want an unchangeable moveset with customizable faces if we get Miis. Maybe online they just show the default Mii though, to avoid Hitler.

best idea i've heard by a longshot

 

[TheTuninator]

And I wouldn't even get to see Naruto do any moves anywhere near *close* to his canon! Sure would be fun to see Batman using a surfboard! If you customize their moves, you break the game. You don't customize them, moveset dissonance.

That's why I hate Miis.

An excellent point, and I'm hoping Sakurai thinks along the same lines. He's certainly expressed concerns of losing characters' uniqueness through customization.

I'm also of the "he was give three characters to leak and made three easy guesses for the lulz".

For my money, this is the likeliest explanation. Bauske's argument in the other thread presented a very logical and believable scenario for why the leak played out as it did. The idea of a leak through the convention rather than the dev team makes a lot of sense. I'll repost his words here in case anyone missed them.

Hey all. First-time poster, short-time lurker. Actually, I used to post here years and years ago under the alias Pacn99, but I doubt any of you remember that.

Anyway, here's the thing: Just because this guy said Wii Fit Trainer, doesn't make his statements accurate, at least the way I see it. If I'm looking at everything correctly, his post on NeoGAF came one day before E3 (someone please correct me if I'm wrong here). It looks like his post was on June 10th and E3 started on June 11th. He could have just been leaked the info about Wii Fit Trainer early through a source at the gaming convention.

Why do I say this? Because I used to work at GameStop, and I remember on the TV they had a guy there interviewing a Nintendo rep about Smash Bros. The interviewer asked about MegaMan and Villager, which the rep confirmed, but then the interviewer said "I heard a rumor about the Wii Fit Trainer" and the rep said "I uhh.. I haven't heard anything about that."

Chances are if this guy on GameStop TV got wind of Wii Fit Trainer, it probably slipped a bit before the convention happened, and one short day beforehand this guy made his prediction based on this.

I'm not saying he's true or he's false, nor am I trying to debunk him. In truth, I want his predictions to be true because the only newcomer I'm truly excited to see in this game is Pac-Man. I wanted him in Brawl and I want him even more now that Namco is working with Sakurai to make this game happen. But, regardless of that, I'm still taking everything with a grain of salt until proven otherwise.

 

[AnOkayDM]

best idea i've heard by a longshot

I want to make Jesus fight Reggie, but that doesn't mean I want to impede anyone's enjoyment of the game with my sacrilege.

 

[Muster]

There is no way to prove if they were lucky guesses with the characters or if they actually knew something. We don't know what happened. We don't know if something changed. We don't know how long the pre rendered trailers are made before the event, and how close to the event they can be scrapped. Stop trying to pretend like you do. I'm all for friendly debate, but you guys literally keep saying the same things over and over, on both sides, and neither side is listening, so just talk about a different leak. Or try to think of something different to say about it. Jeez! lol

Everyone seems to be ignoring this guy's post. So i will reiterate
you do not know what happened with nintendo's plans during the week before e3
you do not know if the man was tipped with 100% accurate information on who will get into sm4sh, or only 66-82% accurate information
you do not know if the man was actually tipped by someone with information at all.

This topic has the potential to be argued to the end of days, with or without the next two character reveals, so just stop trying to argue a point that is obviously in the air as it is.
If you don't want the leak to be true because of character reveals, winning in argument online will do nothing to stop these reveals if they are true.
If you think the leak is true, then wait until all of the characters are revealed to make your point, because people will still list the absence of these characters as counterpoints until they are (supposedly) all revealed and there's little reason to argue the point any more.

 

[Sage_of_the_Seven_Stars]

I wish people would stop altering the narrative in order to justify the validity of the leak. Salromano was very specific that his alleged source gave him E3 reveal predictions. See: http://gematsu.com/2013/06/wii-fit-trainer-joins-super-smash-bros


The leak predicted 6 reveals at E3, and the tip came a scant week before the reveal, when all of the CGI trailers would have to be either complete or nearly so. We only got 3.

I altered nothing! I pulled that quote straight from Sal's post. Pardon me for not seeing your particular website.

 

[TheTuninator]

I altered nothing! I pulled that quote straight from Sal's post. Pardon me for not seeing your particular website.

It's Sal's website. Apologies if you didn't know about it, but it's a very important part of the leak as he explains exactly what happened.

 

[Oblivion129]

So uh, does that mean that this leak is false?

It's got wrong info, but successfully predicts many elements of the game, and English names of the pokemon. That isn't something you just guess, but he still didn't get 100% of it right.

I'll show this post again because it proves a good point. That leak got some very specific things right, but also some wrong information. It proves that even if someone had inside information, not all of it could be true (or maybe scrapped from the game).

Basically, it means we're arguing for no reason, unless we provide facts. Otherwise, people could choose to believe what they want.

 

[SlickWylde]

I'll show this post again because it proves a good point. That leak got some very specific things right, but also some wrong information. It proves that even if someone had inside information, not all of it could be true (or maybe scrapped from the game).

Basically, it means we're arguing for no reason, unless we provide facts. Otherwise, people could choose to believe what they want.

People will ALWAYS believe what they want. The original poster could say "I made up the leak" and you'd still have people believe, and they'd rationalize it by saying "He's saying that because Nintendo will kill him if he doesn't". You could have 100% of what he says come true, and other people still won't believe it, and they'll say "He just got really, really lucky, he didn't actually know anything."

 

[TheTuninator]

I'll show this post again because it proves a good point. That leak got some very specific things right, but also some wrong information. It proves that even if someone had inside information, not all of it could be true (or maybe scrapped from the game).

Basically, it means we're arguing for no reason, unless we provide facts. Otherwise, people could choose to believe what they want.

It looks like that leak was almost 100% accurate, actually. Most of the stuff that the OP didn't mark as confirmed has since been confirmed or proven very near to accurate.

The point about leaks often having both accurate and inaccurate information remains very true, of course. We've seen that with this E3 leak: even if the characters are all in the game, Sal's source didn't possess accurate information about their reveal date.

 

[Motor Bug2005]

I looked at the developer direct, and I can say that you're right. It doesn't ever look like it's at the right angle to be used in the leak, though. But that's easily manipulated by Photoshop, I suppose.

Well, there goes that evidence.

There's something else that now bothers me about the second "leak" picture: if you look to Palutena's right, you'll see a piece of rock formation that AFAICT, looks to be higher up than what I can see during the Developer's Direct and on the 3DS image with Little Mac, Pikachu and Olimar. It also seems to be higher than the left rock formation in the "leak" image while in every other piece of media featuring the stage its the opposite.

If I'm looking at this correctly, the only way for the rock formation on the right to be higher up than the left is for the second "leak" image to have been taken with Palutena standing UNDERNEATH the stage (quite impossible AFAIK) while it's clear to me that the image has been taken with her standing on the topmost platforn. The picture with Little Mac, Pikachu and Olimar also has them on the highest platform but the right rock formation is nowhere near as high as the one on the left.

This leads me to suspect that the "leak" image is a doctored image (despite FotoForensics not picking anything up).

 

[Deleted member]

It looks like that leak was almost 100% accurate, actually. Most of the stuff that the OP didn't mark as confirmed has since been confirmed or proven very near to accurate.

The point about leaks often having both accurate and inaccurate information remains very true, of course. We've seen that with this E3 leak: even if the characters are all in the game, Sal's source didn't possess accurate information about their reveal date.

This is why the leak isn't dead yet.
Yes, the "revealed at E3" business was proven false, but it doesn't mean the info about the characters themselves are false.
With 4/6 confirmed now, it's best to just sit tight and keep an eye out for Pac-Man and Miis.

Which we probably wouldn't see anything in regards to either until at least April's Nintendo Direct, anyway.

 

[TheTuninator]

This is why the leak isn't dead yet.
Yes, the "revealed at E3" business was proven false, but it doesn't mean the info about the characters themselves are false.
With 4/6 confirmed now, it's best to just sit tight and keep an eye out for Pac-Man and Miis.

Which we probably wouldn't see anything in regards to either until at least April's Nintendo Direct, anyway.

If Pac-Man is in, I would be shocked to see him revealed anywhere but E3.

 

[Deleted member]

If Pac-Man is in, I would be shocked to see him revealed anywhere but E3.

Or possibly May 22.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Or possibly May 22.

Where did you get this date from and how does this correalate?
Edit: Oh, the anniversary of Pac-Man I see..

 

[Lolo Lolo]

I think Miis will have (luckly) their own moveset as every character
It could be cool if one of their special move is the magic from Find Mii (and as in that game the color of the t-shirt changes the effect)

 

[Cap'nChreest]

This is why the leak isn't dead yet.
Yes, the "revealed at E3" business was proven false, but it doesn't mean the info about the characters themselves are false.
With 4/6 confirmed now, it's best to just sit tight and keep an eye out for Pac-Man and Miis.

Which we probably wouldn't see anything in regards to either until at least April's Nintendo Direct, anyway.

Even if it's 4/6 characters the least likely ones are the characters left. I really don't think that Pac-Man would be added. Mii's on the other hand kinda have a chance.

Honestly the only reason anyone would think to add Pac-Man would be because Bandai is helping to develop the game and they want to see Sonic,Mario,Megaman,and Pac-Man fight each other.(that would be pretty cool to see) We already know Bandai isn't getting any special treatment with their characters being added. As far as move sets go you could give any character a move set. I don't see why people would say that would keep any character (including Mii, Pac-man) out of smash. I personally hope we don't see either of the characters added.

The leaker probably knew Bandai was making it and thought "Hey Pac-man could be cool because Namco Bandai is helping develop the game!" I mean as soon as we all saw that they were making it we all thought the same thing.

 

[Dark Phazon]

At this point, I'm convinced that Palutena, Mii and Pac-Man are in the game, but every single other leak is fake.

Chrom and Mewtwo also.
Dunno about anyone else....

 

[BluePikmin11]

Supposing the Monster Hunter leak is true, do you think they'll reveal Slime, Monster, and Pac-Man at E3 2014?
That would be a third party extravaganza. O_O

 

[TheTuninator]

The Palutena leak's iffy because as convincing and resilient as it is, there's always the very real possibility that a competent image editor invested a good amount of time into creating a near-perfect fake.

Supposing the Monster Hunter leak is true, do you think they'll reveal Slime, Monster, and Pac-Man at E3 2014?
That would be a third party extravaganza. O_O

Smash would never have that many third-parties. Sakurai wouldn't allow it.

 

[Inawordyes]

The thread has been thoroughly divided and seems to have erupted into "I'm right!/No, I'm right! You're wrong!" flame wars to a small extent. SalRomano, regardless of the legitimacy of his leak, has turned out to be a bigger troll than Sakurai at the moment, haha, because everybody is fighting with each other over this and the last ... eight? pages have been basically nothing but fighting over this, and it's extended somewhat into other topics as well.

I know there are no leaks yet (since Mac's reveal (but they will come), but the point of this thread isn't to get it locked, and the mods haven't shut anybody down yet, but I'm worried that things are going to get worse and more heated and it's going to turn from a debate to something worth dealing out warnings over.

Or perhaps I'm just crazy, haha; I won't deny the possibility.

EDIT: And crazy I am, haha, as things seem to have died down while I was writing this. To the current page!

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm pretty sure the E3 leak guy is legit, as was his source... so far.

HOWEVER, the person who told him that might have a few "troll" additions, which would obviously have to be the 3 later characters, Little Mac (he could have been a not troll move), Pac-Man, or Miis.

Still, regardless, the leaker is legit. We should at least give him that.

And alas, I think it's true. I don't particularly care for Miis or Pac-Man either way, but I think it's a done deal guys. Don't be all whiny like the scrubs were yesterday with Little Mac's INCREDIBLE AND LOW AWAITED DEBUT!!!

 

[| Kailex |]

Ive only just now noticed that little mac was revealed at the same day of punch out's 30th anniversary... Dunno if you guys already knew about it, it just means we gotta be careful with anniversaries again

 

[swordbreaker]

I'm assuming that one guy who said Pac Man was cancelled was a fraud? He hasn't appeared since his screw up. He just mysteriously vanished.

 

[NintendoKnight]

Ive only just now noticed that little mac was revealed at the same day of punch out's 30th anniversary... Dunno if you guys already knew about it, it just means we gotta be careful with anniversaries again

I looked at the dates of Punch-Outs release, and nothing said anything about February 13th. Also, Punch-Out was released in 1987, only 27 years ago.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Which leak is that? Pac-Man cancelled?

 

[Dark Phazon]

I thought it was 2Chan.

...

How many "Chans" are there anyway?

Loads...heres another...

 

[wf_]

I looked at the dates of Punch-Outs release, and nothing said anything about February 13th. Also, Punch-Out was released in 1987, only 27 years ago.

Don't forget about original arcade game, which indeed was released in February 1984.

 

[NintendoKnight]

Don't forget about original arcade game, which indeed was released in February 1984.

...

There was an arcade game?

Didn't know that. Like, at all.

 

[RODO]

The thread has been thoroughly divided and seems to have erupted into "I'm right!/No, I'm right! You're wrong!" flame wars to a small extent. SalRomano, regardless of the legitimacy of his leak, has turned out to be a bigger troll than Sakurai at the moment, haha, because everybody is fighting with each other over this and the last ... eight? pages have been basically nothing but fighting over this, and it's extended somewhat into other topics as well.

I know there are no leaks yet (since Mac's reveal (but they will come), but the point of this thread isn't to get it locked, and the mods haven't shut anybody down yet, but I'm worried that things are going to get worse and more heated and it's going to turn from a debate to something worth dealing out warnings over.

Or perhaps I'm just crazy, haha; I won't deny the possibility.

EDIT: And crazy I am, haha, as things seem to have died down while I was writing this. To the current page!

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Okay, Let's agree to disagree on the blasted Sal Romano leak, okay?! You guys so dang bent on keeping it active, why don't we have all leaks that got 'busted' due to a wrong time moved to a PENDING status until something more concrete like a character being proven as knocked out by being an AT, background element, what have you? Three categories, Alive, Mortally Wounded, and Dead. Now get off your high horses and go look for the new leaks that have probably come up. Also, my thoughts on the Suom leak. I say want and see if he comes back.

 

[Deleted member]

Even if it's 4/6 characters the least likely ones are the characters left. I really don't think that Pac-Man would be added. Mii's on the other hand kinda have a chance.

Honestly the only reason anyone would think to add Pac-Man would be because Bandai is helping to develop the game and they want to see Sonic,Mario,Megaman,and Pac-Man fight each other.(that would be pretty cool to see) We already know Bandai isn't getting any special treatment with their characters being added. As far as move sets go you could give any character a move set. I don't see why people would say that would keep any character (including Mii, Pac-man) out of smash. I personally hope we don't see either of the characters added.

The leaker probably knew Bandai was making it and thought "Hey Pac-man could be cool because Namco Bandai is helping develop the game!" I mean as soon as we all saw that they were making it we all thought the same thing.

Not getting special treatment =/= is not getting a character.

All it implies is that Namco Bandai will not be put on a higher pedestal than the likes of Sega and Capcom just because they're helping with the game.
That doesn't mean that if the concept of Pac-Man being in Smash is brought up to Sakurai by one of the higher ups that he would just outright silence the thought, for example.

EDIT: I mean...he kind of has raised interest in the idea when Pac-Man was brought up in an interview, even asking the interviewer what ideas he had for his Final Smash.

 

[suomynona]

Pacman might not get in, despite the fact that the wheeling and dealings and legal precedings must have already happened for them to even attempt such a thing? Sorry man, you shouldn't have said anything more. You got lucky with Diddy not being real, thus giving you credibility, but you blew it by not keeping your mouth closed. These fountain of information leaks are always highly questionable, but this is simply too much.

I'm just telling you what he is telling me, I have no reason not to tell you guys lol. I don't see how it's that far fetched honestly. I mean Namco is working on the game, you think it's really that difficult to get him in?

@ BKupa666 I never asked anyone to take this seriously. I'm not even taking it completely seriously. I'm not making this up, but my source might be. Just like I said, I'm just the messenger. I have no reason not to tell you guys.

 

[stan423321]

...

There was an arcade game?

Didn't know that. Like, at all.

There were two of them (very much like the one in LM's SSB4 profile), and some sort of a spiritual sequel involving arm wrestling. Now if we'll see shout-out to that, I'll be impressed.

edit: grammar

 

[Moon Monkey]

Forgive me if this has been shot down, insufficient or not (hard to find the answer in a 350+ page thread)

But didn't Sakurai state in a Famitsu artical that Dixie was meant to be Tag-team character for Brawl?

I remember seeing this thread a while back: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=144627

???
I'm only asking this after reading the WiiluvU rumor.

 

[BKupa666]

@ BKupa666 I never asked anyone to take this seriously. I'm not even taking it completely seriously. I'm not making this up, but my source might be. Just like I said, I'm just the messenger. I have no reason not to tell you guys.

Alright, then. I hope you don't feel too accused, I'm just pointing out what seem to be unusual parts about what information you've allegedly been given. If you get the opportunity, I'd ask your source for more details about Pacman being "developed then dropped" for god knows what reason, as well as details other than characters; stages, items, assist trophies, you name it.

 

[Dan]

I know these are old news, but what was the story behind these:

 

[Deleted member]

I know these are old news, but what was the story behind these:

Made as "evidence" for the old Super Smash Bros. Universe rumor back in....2011, I think?
Needless to say, fake. There was also one for King Hippo that no one saved, if I recall.

 

[TheTuninator]

Didn't Sakurai say that the roster was finalized and he was no longer accepting suggestions like 6 months ago?

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Super Smash Bros Universe, debunked forever ago