SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Deleted member]

1. You guys know that the E3 rumor was before Villager, Mega Man and Wii Fit Trainer were shown, right?
The post wasn't edited at all, so Little Mac does bring some more legitimacy to this leak.
So don't try to BS your way out of this.
2. How the hell is Pac-man anything like the ship from Asteroids? Do you NOT realize that Pac-man has gone through redesigns, as well as being nothing alike? Its not going to be Atari Pac-man. Get your **** straight.
3. If you honestly think Capcom will have two reps, you need to sit down, think for a couple years about how stupid that is, then come back when you're smarter.
4. Almost every rumor has been shot/put down in an alley now, thanks to this Little Mac reveal. I'm honestly surprised we didn't get Diddy Kong at all, so maybe next week.

About the neogaf e3 leak, I do not see where he said those would be revealed at e3. I believe he was stating his overall predictions for the game. "My unlikely predictions: Little Mac, Pac-Man, Animal Crossing Guy, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Mii." Unless I am missing something.

Usually when someone says something like that, and then it becomes true, you can suspect that its a leak.

 

[Chimera]

No one. That's why no one predicted or expected it except that one guy.

No one? You can prove that one man in the entire world expected it, and no one else? Or could you only prove that he was one guy on neogaf that managed to think outside the box in character selection? People on this forum are asking for all sorts of oddball characters, if any one of them ends up in Smash, it's not a leak, it's a coincidence.

 

[Hinata]

Not sure if brought up, but here. Some guy found "evidence" that the Palutena leak is real. Just posting it here for everyone to see.

Spoiler

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/68569144

Yeah, I brought that up.

 

[Sage_of_the_Seven_Stars]

Usually when someone says something like that, and then it becomes true, you can suspect that its a leak.

I understand that. What I do not understand is why everyone is saying that the rumor is dead, fake, and wrong. From what I can tell, he said nothing about those characters being shown at E3, just that they were his unlikely predictions for the game overall.

 

[TheTuninator]

Not sure if brought up, but here. Some guy found "evidence" that the Palutena leak is real. Just posting it here for everyone to see.

Spoiler

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/68569144

Wow, that's a great find! Of course Sakurai would position Pikachu perfectly so we can't verify whether the two outcroppings match perfectly.

 

[Donalp15]

I still hold the belief that it is POSSIBLE that whoever leaked the 6 newcomers may have seen the three newcomers, and added the other 3 for the fun of it. I am not saying it is fake, but will not consider this immediately true, especially since lil mac is fairly often requested.
The fact that he was missing Rosalina (and Ridley XD), just confuses me.

 

[TheTuninator]

I understand that. What I do not understand is why everyone is saying that the rumor is dead, fake, and wrong. From what I can tell, he said nothing about those characters being shown at E3, just that they were his unlikely predictions for the game overall.

I wish people would stop altering the narrative in order to justify the validity of the leak. Salromano was very specific that his alleged source gave him E3 reveal predictions. See: http://gematsu.com/2013/06/wii-fit-trainer-joins-super-smash-bros

Last week, Gematsu was tipped off about Nintendo’s E3 character reveals for Super Smash Bros. But since we were unable to confirm the validity of our source, we refrained from posting the information. Of the six characters we were told would be revealed, three have been confirmed: Mega Man, Animal Crossing Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer. The three left remaining are Little Mac, Pac-Man, and your Mii.

The leak predicted 6 reveals at E3, and the tip came a scant week before the reveal, when all of the CGI trailers would have to be either complete or nearly so. We only got 3.

 

[JediLink]

No one? You can prove that one man in the entire world expected it, and no one else? Or could you only prove that he was one guy on neogaf that managed to think outside the box in character selection? People on this forum are asking for all sorts of oddball characters, if any one of them ends up in Smash, it's not a leak, it's a coincidence.

Okay, so maybe a couple of people would have predicted the Wii Fit Trainer. That's perfectly plausible. But out of all of those, how many of them also predicted Villager, Mega Man and Little Mac, all in one post?

Y'all need to learn some probability theory. Correctly guessing something once is one thing, but correctly guessing several times in a row is totally another. Even if you thought WFT was probably going to be in the game, how would you know she was going to be one of the three shown at E3? The chances are already pretty against you to get even one of the newcomers correct, but the guy got all three in only six guesses, including one character that basically no one expected.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'm saying that the chances are so astronomically low that they're not even worth considering. It's like talking about the chances that Sakurai will die tomorrow. Occam's Razor dicates that we assume that Salromano had at least some inside info.

 

[TheTuninator]

Villager and Mega Man were both easy guesses. Animal Crossing was riding a massive high going into E3 thanks to New Leaf and was a hugely popular yet unrepresented franchise, and Mega Man was Sakurai's only way to rival the Snake hype at E3 for Brawl.

Little Mac is irrelevant as he wasn't revealed at E3. Salromano did not correctly guess Little Mac's reveal, as he specifically stated that Mac would be revealed at E3. This rumor lives and dies solely on the merits of the WFT prediction, nothing else.

 

[Reila]

Villager was anything but an easy guess, especially after Sakurai saying the character wouldn't work in SSB. Not to mention Wii Fit Trainer, say what you want, but no one would just guess that she would be a rep in the new game. The people denying the E3 leak are starting to grasp at straws imo. And that is coming from someone who would LOVE if the E3 leak was fake (Seriously, Miis? No, thanks. Also, where is Ridley?).

 

[Spazzy_D]

Villager and Mega Man were both easy guesses. Animal Crossing was riding a massive high going into E3 thanks to New Leaf and was a hugely popular yet unrepresented franchise, and Mega Man was Sakurai's only way to rival the Snake hype at E3 for Brawl.

Little Mac is irrelevant as he wasn't revealed at E3. Salromano did not correctly guess Little Mac's reveal, as he specifically stated that Mac would be revealed at E3. This rumor lives and dies solely on the merits of the WFT prediction, nothing else.

Go back and look at the board pre-E3. Almost no one was guessing Villager. How was it easy if no one was guessing it? More people were on the Tom Nook band wagon to be honest, mostly because Sakurai had previously said he didn't see Villager as a fighter. Don't use a false statement to defend your point.

 

[ToddCam]

A lot of misuse of Occam's Razor here. It's actually the solution that has the least number of assumptions necessary. If not, it could always boil down to "magic".

 

[Nintendotard]

Everyone here hates Miis . I can't wait to see all the complaints if the leak is true. I think I'll be like one of the 10 that'll be excited to see it.

 

[Louie G.]

Wii Fit Trainer and Villager are really what makes the E3 leak shine.
Mega Man and Little Mac were definitely easy guesses.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Wii Fit Trainer and Villager are really what makes the E3 leak shine.
Mega Man and Little Mac were definitely easy guesses.

Megaman was a somewhat popular guess, but it was still dicey at the time. A lot of people were on the "Capcom hates Megaman and won't let him in the game" train. Man, the internet sure has a short memory.

 

[Chimera]

Okay, so maybe a couple of people would have predicted the Wii Fit Trainer. That's perfectly plausible. But out of all of those, how many of them also predicted Villager, Mega Man and Little Mac, all in one post?

Y'all need to learn some probability theory. Correctly guessing something once is one thing, but correctly guessing several times in a row is totally another. Even if you thought WFT was probably going to be in the game, how would you know she was going to be one of the three shown at E3? The chances are already pretty against you to get even one of the newcomers correct, but the guy got all three in only six guesses, including one character that basically no one expected.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'm saying that the chances are so astronomically low that they're not even worth considering. It's like talking about the chances that Sakurai will die tomorrow. Occam's Razor dicates that we assume that Salromano had at least some inside info.

I've been saying Mega Man would be in this Smash since Brawl was released, I expected Little Mac to be in Brawl (and was disappointed at the assist trophy), and a good friend of mine (who loves Animal Crossing) guessed Villager (as did many, since the stage was in Brawl). So no, I'm not impressed.

And he said six people would be revealed at E3, and only 3 were. So by your own logic, he DIDN'T know she would be revealed at E3, since 50% of his leak was wrong.

 

[Hinata]

Wii Fit Trainer and Villager are really what makes the E3 leak shine.
Mega Man and Little Mac were definitely easy guesses.

Yeah, I'll agree with you there. It was only a matter of time until Mega Man and Mac were revealed for Smash, whether it be this one (which it was) or one in the future, but no one who didn't know what was gonna be revealed at E3 would've guessed WFT and the Villager.

 

[Louie G.]

Megaman was a somewhat popular guess, but it was still dicey at the time. A lot of people were on the "Capcom hates Megaman and won't let him in the game" train. Man, the internet sure has a short memory.

I don't have a short memory.
I started hardcore Smash speculation after E3, but I expected Mega Man beforehand.

 

[TheTuninator]

Villager was anything but an easy guess, especially after Sakurai saying the character wouldn't work in SSB. Not to mention Wii Fit Trainer, say what you want, but no one would just guess that she would be a rep in the new game. The people denying the E3 leak are starting to grasp at straws imo. And that is coming from someone who would LOVE if the E3 leak was fake (Seriously, Miis? No, thanks. Also, where is Ridley?).

Animal Crossing was one of the largest unrepresented franchises, if not the largest, and New Leaf was massively popular over the summer going into E3. An AC rep was a logical reveal. As for Sakurai's statement, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it came after Villager's reveal. See:http://www.gengame.net/2013/06/saku...rom-brawl-because-he-wasnt-suited-for-battle/

A lot of people understood Mega Man, but they kept asking me ‘Why did you go for the villager and the Wii Fit trainer?’, Neither of them are fighting characters, certainly. In fact, we had previously removed the villager from Super Smash Bros. Brawl in the planning stages because he wasn’t suited for battle.

So Sakurai's decision to avoid Villager in Brawl has no impact on a possible reveal, AC is one of Nintendo's biggest franchises unrepresented in Smash, AC had massive popularity and public attention at the time of E3 thanks to New Leaf, and AC had both a stage and an AT in Brawl. Villager was an easy guess. Not a common guess on Smashboards, sure, but an easy guess.

I repeat: This rumor lives or dies solely on the merits of guessing WFT. None of the other characters were difficult to guess by any means, especially when you have thousands of people tossing out predictions.

Megaman was a somewhat popular guess, but it was still dicey at the time. A lot of people were on the "Capcom hates Megaman and won't let him in the game" train. Man, the internet sure has a short memory.

I was 100% convinced that Mega Man would be revealed at E3. It wasn't a difficult prediction. Sadly, third-party characters generate the most hype, and Mega Man was the best option.

 

[Hinata]

Also, I know it's been said before, but the guy who guessed all these character never said "My unlikely predictions for E3", right? He just said "My unlikely predictions". He never said a specific point that he expected them to be revealed at.

 

[Wanderer from Roseyard]

There's an argument I see on here a lot that I disagree strongly with: "No one could have guessed the Wii Fit Trainer!"

I don't know how most people went about this, but when I was forming a pre-E3 roster prediction, one of the first things I was looking at was games with significant sales figures. Wii Fit was a fairly obvious candidate. If I dug around, I'm sure I could find the list where I came up with "Instructor, male or female (Wii Fit)," though I wrote them off as Assist Trophy material, myself.

Wii Fit Trainer is basically this game's R.O.B. It occurred to anyone who scoured Nintendo history, but most people may have dismissed the idea anyway. But it is a different extreme to say no one could have guessed it.

 

[TheTuninator]

Also, I know it's been said before, but the guy who guessed all these character never said "My unlikely predictions for E3", right? He just said "My unlikely predictions". He never said a specific point that he expected them to be revealed at.

This notion seems to have spread quite a bit, which is unfortunate, as it's wrong. See the article Salromano posted on his site: http://gematsu.com/2013/06/wii-fit-trainer-joins-super-smash-bros

Last week, Gematsu was tipped off about Nintendo’s E3 character reveals for Super Smash Bros. But since we were unable to confirm the validity of our source, we refrained from posting the information. Of the six characters we were told would be revealed, three have been confirmed: Mega Man, Animal Crossing Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer. The three left remaining are Little Mac, Pac-Man, and your Mii.

Emphasis mine.

Salromano predicted 6 E3 reveals, very specifically E3 reveals. We received 3.

 

[Hinata]

This notion seems to have spread quite a bit, which is unfortunate, as it's wrong. See the article Salromano posted on his site: http://gematsu.com/2013/06/wii-fit-trainer-joins-super-smash-bros


Emphasis mine.

Salromano predicted 6 E3 reveals, very specifically E3 reveals. We received 3.

Ah. Well then, I withdraw my point.

 

[Motor Bug2005]

Wow, that's a great find! Of course Sakurai would position Pikachu perfectly so we can't verify whether the two outcroppings match perfectly.

Actually, if you look at the mountain at the beginning of the Developer's Direct as the camera pans around Mario about 40 seconds in, you'll see that it does match the mountain in the leak image (albeit a different shade as the leak image was taken during the night phase).

 

[TheTuninator]

Actually, if you look at the mountain at the beginning of the Developer's Direct as the camera pans around Mario about 40 seconds in, you'll see that it does match the mountain in the leak image.

Ah, neat. Do we know if that part of the stage has ever been featured in any kind of promotional material prior to the alleged leak? It's supposed to have been unique at that time, correct?

 

[CrimsonDivine]

Any new leaks?

 

[Cap'nChreest]

The Palutena leak is endless guys. I don't think she is going to be revealed. She's probably just a secret character. The leaked images are the best we're going to get until the game is released.

 

[Snagrio]

I'm certain that if the leaky 3 had Ridley and K. Rool instead of Mii and Pac-Man everyone here would be saying the leak is true.

Say what you want, but the dislike for Pac-Man and especially Mii is clearly the main reason why many are still adamant on not believing the L3 leak, or at the very least giving it the benefit of a doubt.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Like I said in the thread directly about the leak, if you can find one, just one, roster prediction out of the hundreds out there on the net (pre E3) that had Villager and Wii Fit Trainer on it, then I'll concede that it was a natural guess. Just one.

Now, do I want the leak to be true? No. I really dislike the idea of Mii being playable. Do I believe the leak? Not necessarily, but I'm also not going to write off the fact that the guy might have known something.

 

[Hinata]

Actually, if you look at the mountain at the beginning of the Developer's Direct as the camera pans around Mario about 40 seconds in, you'll see that it does match the mountain in the leak image (albeit a different shade as the leak image was taken during the night phase).

I looked at the developer direct, and I can say that you're right. It doesn't ever look like it's at the right angle to be used in the leak, though. But that's easily manipulated by Photoshop, I suppose.

Well, there goes that evidence.

 

[Luigi#1]

The leak had wrong content twice, but people want it to be real, so BAM: Come up with reasons. Little Mac, Mii and Pac Man weren't announced at E3, so people say it's for E3 2014. THEN Little Mac is announced, but not at E3. This leak is unkillible because of the people defending it.

 

[TheTuninator]

I'm certain that if the leaky 3 had Ridley and K. Rool instead of Mii and Pac-Man everyone here would be saying the leak is true.

Say what you want, but the dislike for Pac-Man and especially Mii is clearly the main reason why many are still adamant on not believing the L3 leak, or at the very least giving it the benefit of a doubt.

Here's my philosophy on the leak.

Salromano's insider information was objectively wrong about the E3 reveals. He told us that his source predicted six E3 reveals - specifically E3 reveals. We only got 3 reveals.

Why should I trust a source whose information was at least in part incorrect? The leak was at best misinformed and at worst deliberately misleading.

For the record, I expect to see both Pac-Man and the Mii in SSB4. I don't particularly want them, but I'm all but convinced of their inclusion. I just don't believe this leak.

 

[Motor Bug2005]

Ah, neat. Do we know if that part of the stage has ever been featured in any kind of promotional material prior to the alleged leak? It's supposed to have been unique at that time, correct?

It has featured in a few images such as this one: http://smashbros-miiverse.com/images/daily/pit-screen-9.jpg but no existing image shows it at night like in the leak image.

 

[Hinata]

It has featured in a few images such as this one: http://smashbros-miiverse.com/images/daily/pit-screen-9.jpg but no existing image shows it at night like in the leak image.

I would say that's evidence for the leak, but, you know. Image editing.

 

[TheTuninator]

It has featured in a few images such as this one: http://smashbros-miiverse.com/images/daily/pit-screen-9.jpg but no existing image shows it at night like in the leak image.

Eh, light's easily photoshopped. I'd be impressed if the actual structure had never been shown prior to the alleged leak.

Additionally, I've been going back through the pre-E3 forums, and in just one thread with about 40 posts there were no less than 3 predictions of a Mega Man reveal at E3. I hope we can put to rest the notion that guessing Mega Man was anything but easy.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

It's sad when the biggest troll reveal that Sakurai will do for this game is to reveal Pac Man and Mii.

Two relevant characters to video game and Nintendo history. The fact that people dread them, proves just how jaded the modern gaming community has gotten.

Especially the dread for Pac Man. Good lord.

 

[Substitution]

It's sad when the biggest troll reveal that Sakurai will do for this game is to reveal Pac Man and Mii.

Two relevant characters to video game and Nintendo history. The fact that people dread them, proves just how jaded the modern gaming community has gotten.

Especially the dread for Pac Man. Good lord.

Apparently you underestimate Sakurai's trolling.

 

[TheTuninator]

I dread Mii because I don't want to fight Naruto and Hitler every time I decide to do some online play.

As for Pac-Man, I hold out hope that if he's in Sakurai will somehow implement him in a fashion true to Pac-Man's roots, just as Sakurai did for Mega Man. I wouldn't mind that. 3D Pac-Man isn't iconic or even particularly popular, so I wouldn't care for him, but a working 2D Pac-Man would be fine by me.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I must be the only one who thinks Mii's are going to be no different than any other character in the roster. Not customizable at all. Set move set from StreetPass and Wii titles. Generic male and female appearances. Representing the idea of the Miis more so than the actual functionality of them. After all Mii's can be different sizes so they'd have to be different hitboxes, etc. So I can't see Sakurai doing them anyway than the way I just described.

 

[Chimera]

I'm certain that if the leaky 3 had Ridley and K. Rool instead of Mii and Pac-Man everyone here would be saying the leak is true.

Say what you want, but the dislike for Pac-Man and especially Mii is clearly the main reason why many are still adamant on not believing the L3 leak, or at the very least giving it the benefit of a doubt.

No I wouldn't because I think Ridley would be a terrible character, and I really don't care about K. Rool. I don't believe the leak because it was objectively wrong. Even if all of the characters showed up (which btw, I'd be cool with Pac-man being in Smash), I'd still say the "leak" was wrong, because it was.