SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Substitution]

I must be the only one who thinks Mii's are going to be no different than any other character in the roster. Not customizable at all. Set move set from StreetPass and Wii titles. Generic male and female appearances. Representing the idea of the Miis more so than the actual functionality of them. After all Mii's can be different sizes so they'd have to be different hitboxes, etc. So I can't see Sakurai doing them anyway than the way I just described.

You're not. I do too.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Apparently you underestimate Sakurai's trolling.

Honestly. I don't. I just think he could pull another left field out of his ass idea like Wii Ffit Trainer and people would be far more accepting them just like they are with her after seeing their moveset.

This is something I don't see happening with Pac Man and Mii from the general response to them.

 

[Substitution]

Honestly. I don't. I just think he could pull another left field out of his *** idea like Wii Ffit Trainer and people would be far more accepting them just like they are with her after seeing their moveset.

But I think I know why. Remember? When Wii Fit Trainer was released, everyone downright hated her.
But, as time went on, people look past her and saw that she's very unique.
Why do you think people like Mr. G&W or ROB so much? Because they we're able to see past the concept and see the character for what they we're.

 

[TheTuninator]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present no less than two people who entertained the notion of a Wii Fit character in SSB4, one of whom specifically asked for female Wii Fit Trainer.

Unguessable? I think not.
They should have a Wii Fit character (Gamefaqs, 2012)
The Female Wii Fit Trainer should be a character in the next SSB (Gamefaqs, 2008)

 

[Thirdkoopa]

But I think I know why. Remember? When Wii Fit Trainer was released, everyone downright hated her.
But, as time went on, people look past her and saw that she's very unique.
Why do you think people like Mr. G&W or ROB so much? Because they we're able to see past the concept and see the character for what they we're.

no i still distaste rob

but that's mostly because of his air moves

 

[Luigi#1]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present no less than two people who entertained the notion of a Wii Fit character in SSB4, one of whom specifically asked for female Wii Fit Trainer.

Unguessable? I think not.
They should have a Wii Fit character (Gamefaqs, 2012)
The Female Wii Fit Trainer should be a character in the next SSB (Gamefaqs, 2008)

Thank you thank you thank you.

Also, like 2 people have Epsi's art for their avatar. Wow.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present no less than two people who entertained the notion of a Wii Fit character in SSB4, one of whom specifically asked for female Wii Fit Trainer.

Unguessable? I think not.
They should have a Wii Fit character (Gamefaqs, 2012)
The Female Wii Fit Trainer should be a character in the next SSB (Gamefaqs, 2008)

I hope you're not dislocating your arms there buddy with all that reaching your doing there.

Those are clear troll posts. Not taking the idea of her seriously. Not actual requests for her.

 

[Substitution]

no i still distaste rob

but that's mostly because of his air moves

What I'm getting at is with a character like Mii or Pac-man. We've been expecting them for a while.
Sure, people will be excited, but IMO they won't cause as much as a bang like Wii Fit Trainer did. Or another oddball character.

 

[TheTuninator]

I hope you're not dislocating your arms there buddy with all that reaching your doing there.

Thanks for the snark. Really conducive to good discussion.

I don't expect this to debunk the rumor, nor should it; two posts do nothing to refute WFT being a very unlikely guess.

However, it does definitely debunk the ridiculous assertion that WFT was somehow flat-out impossible to guess. Anyone is possible to guess.

 

[KingKirb]

I hope you're not dislocating your arms there buddy with all that reaching your doing there.

Too soon, bro. Too soon.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Nothing at this point will debunk the rumor (Unless we got Mii's as a stage prompt or something, and even then...), but even if we got Pac-Man confirmed, I'd still be a slight bit skeptical.

 

[Luigi#1]

Nothing at this point will debunk the rumor (Unless we got Mii's as a stage prompt or something, and even then...), but even if we got Pac-Man confirmed, I'd still be a slight bit skeptical.

It's been debunked twice.

 

[TheTuninator]

I hope you're not dislocating your arms there buddy with all that reaching your doing there.

Those are clear troll posts. Not taking the idea of her seriously Not actual requests for her.

The second one seems like a serious thread to me, and even if they're troll posts, their impact does not change. In order to troll, these posters would have had to think of the possibility of Wii Fit receiving a character rep in SSB4.

Wii Fit Trainer remains an incredibly unlikely guess, particularly in the context of Salromano's post. However, guessing the possibility of her appearance in SSB4 has been done.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

It's been debunked twice.

Asides from E3 (which has many explinations), what are you talking about? I only see once. Even then, that doesn't debunk the characters possible inclusion.

 

[Chimera]

I hope you're not dislocating your arms there buddy with all that reaching your doing there.

Those are clear troll posts. Not taking the idea of her seriously. Not actual requests for her.

The second one is clearly a request, and it's irrelevant if it's serious or not. It's been thought of, which means that it wasn't impossible to guess. Good try though.

 

[JediLink]

I've been saying Mega Man would be in this Smash since Brawl was released, I expected Little Mac to be in Brawl (and was disappointed at the assist trophy), and a good friend of mine (who loves Animal Crossing) guessed Villager (as did many, since the stage was in Brawl). So no, I'm not impressed.

But you didn't guess Wii Fit Trainer.
I'm not sure if you're understanding this. There's a huge difference between just guessing Mega Man/Villager/Little Mac and guessing Mega Man/Villager/Little Mac and WFT as well. I'm talking several orders of magnitude here. Just adding one more character on decreases your chances of getting them all right exponentially.

And he said six people would be revealed at E3, and only 3 were. So by your own logic, he DIDN'T know she would be revealed at E3, since 50% of his leak was wrong.

This is sort of a fuzzy area where we don't really know what happened. Maybe he just made the other three up to screw with people, maybe the other three were withheld from E3, we don't know. But what we do know are the three he got right, so he must have known something.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

The second one is clearly a request, and it's irrelevant if it's serious or not. It's been thought of, which means that it wasn't impossible to guess. Good try though.

Follow up posts quickly turn it into an apparent troll topic. ''Yoga poses until a character's head explodes?"

Final Smash as Thighmaster? Yeah, that's even from the topic starter.

It's a troll topic. No one guessed Wii Fit Trainer or requested her. Those are if anything topics that prove that no one seriously considered her for Smash Brothers. It's pretty easy to see that.

 

[Mr. Mumbles]

Yeah, I think he just blew his cover as well. Some wise guy user could have easily made an alternate account here, just to derp around.

Let me raise the potential counterpoint here, just for discussion's sake, that Pacman is the one third party character who this scenario could possibly happen for. I mean, if the Smash team's proximity to Namco could theoretically make it easy to add the character, it would also theoretically be easy to kick him out as well. This would never happen with an external third party, but with an internal one? You never know.

However, I really question whether they'd get all the way through developing a character like Pacman, then suddenly drop him because now, all of a sudden, he's not interesting. Nevermind during planning phases or development, he's only uninteresting after being fully finished. @suomynona, you're gonna have to have a Dragoon moment and leak something no one could have predicted if you want anyone taking you seriously from here on out.

That is an interesting point that I hadn't considered. And this is where my ignorance of many practical matters gets the better of me. I have no idea how large Namco is, and I have no idea if the entirety of Namco is working with Nintendo or a small portion. Are they all just sitting in a giant room together? Would this really simplify legal proceedings nearly as much as it seems like it should? What about money? What would be a reasonable amount to pay for Pac-Man. Would Nintendo get some/all/ or none of that money back if they don't use PacMan? Would this amount of Money be trivial for a game like this? Even with Namco I don't know if this is feasible or not, but they are the only company where it might be.

That said I still find it unlikely for the reasons you point out. It's like really, they had no vision for this character? They just decided to see where it would go, and it ended up boring? This from a game that makes every character it touches interesting?

 

[Luigi#1]

Asides from E3 (which has many explinations), what are you talking about? I only see once. Even then, that doesn't debunk the characters possible inclusion.

Yes, the characters can be in it. The second debunk was Little Mac's announcement. He wasn't revealed at E3. But Mii and Pac Man could make it as much as I hate Mii for SSB4.

 

[TheTuninator]

Asides from E3 (which has many explinations), what are you talking about? I only see once. Even then, that doesn't debunk the characters possible inclusion.

The rumor's been thoroughly debunked, but only once by my count. The rumor's failure to accurately predict the E3 reveals debunked itself.

You're absolutely right that Pac-Man and Mii are still very possible inclusions, but the rumor was wrong.

This is sort of a fuzzy area where we don't really know what happened. Maybe he just made the other three up to screw with people, maybe the other three were withheld from E3, we don't know. But what we do know are the three he got right, so he must have known something.

Equally, we know that he didn't get all six right, so he must not have known everything.

Follow up posts quickly turn it into an apparent troll topic. ''Yoga poses until a character's head explodes?"

Final Smash as Thighmaster? Yeah, that's even from the topic starter.

It's a troll topic. No one guessed Wii Fit Trainer or requested her. Those are if anything topics that prove that no one seriously considered her for Smash Brothers. It's pretty easy to see that.

If we dismiss any potential newcomer topic with Landmaster jokes as a worthless troll we'll lose about 75% of the board.

 

[SlickWylde]

There is no way to prove if they were lucky guesses with the characters or if they actually knew something. We don't know what happened. We don't know if something changed. We don't know how long the pre rendered trailers are made before the event, and how close to the event they can be scrapped. Stop trying to pretend like you do. I'm all for friendly debate, but you guys literally keep saying the same things over and over, on both sides, and neither side is listening, so just talk about a different leak. Or try to think of something different to say about it. Jeez! lol

 

[Chimera]

Follow up posts quickly turn it into an apparent troll topic. ''Yoga poses until a character's head explodes?"

Final Smash as Thighmaster? Yeah, that's even from the topic starter.

It's a troll topic. No one guessed Wii Fit Trainer or requested her. Those are if anything topics that prove that no one seriously considered her for Smash Brothers. It's pretty easy to see that.

But you didn't guess Wii Fit Trainer.
I'm not sure if you're understanding this. There's a huge difference between just guessing Mega Man/Villager/Little Mac and guessing Mega Man/Villager/Little Mac and WFT as well. I'm talking several orders of magnitude here. Just adding one more character on decreases your chances of getting them all right exponentially.


This is sort of a fuzzy area where we don't really know what happened. Maybe he just made the other three up to screw with people, maybe the other three were withheld from E3, we don't know. But what we do know are the three he got right, so he must have known something.

5 out of the 6 characters were predicted ad nauseam, whereas one of them had only guessed by a few people (As previous posts have shown, Wii fit Trainer was requested and speculated on. Whether or not people took it seriously is irrelevant. It had been guessed. It.Was.Not.Impossible.To.Guess.Her.

Just adding one more character on decreases your chances of getting them all right exponentially.

Funny that you say that, since he missed three.

This is sort of a fuzzy area where we don't really know what happened. Maybe he just made the other three up to screw with people, maybe the other three were withheld from E3, we don't know. But what we do know are the three he got right, so he must have known something.

Gotcha. Guess 50% correctly, and you have inside knowledge. Seems legit.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

The rumor was never wrong - The only part of it that's been wrong thus far is "They were all to be revealed at E3" - You know what was also wrong? That Nintendo was going to have an E3 conference. When did they change it to a direct? We don't know

srsly, nobody knows how early he got this info. I'm not saying it's 100% true once again, but if you're just discrediting him for that (unless he's explained himself and admitted he was BSing or something) it doesn't make much sense.

 

[TheTuninator]

There is no way to prove if they were lucky guesses with the characters or if they actually knew something. We don't know what happened. We don't know if something changed. We don't know how long the pre rendered trailers are made before the event, and how close to the event they can be scrapped. Stop trying to pretend like you do. I'm all for friendly debate, but you guys literally keep saying the same things over and over, on both sides, and neither side is listening, so just talk about a different leak. Or try to think of something different to say about it. Jeez! lol

This and the Palutena leak are the only remotely plausible leaks, so for better or worse we'll end up talking about them until some new leaks with actual weight to them come along.

The rumor was never wrong - The only part of it that's been wrong thus far is "They were all to be revealed at E3" - You know what was also wrong? That Nintendo was going to have an E3 conference. When did they change it to a direct? We don't know

srsly, nobody knows how early he got this info. I'm not saying it's 100% true once again, but if you're just discrediting him for that (unless he's explained himself and admitted he was BSing or something) it doesn't make much sense.

The rumor was wrong the instant Mac, Pac-Man, and Mii weren't revealed at E3.That was the core of the rumor - not that they're in the game, but specifically that they'd be revealed at E3.

Salromano told us himself that he got the info a week in advance of E3 in the article on his website.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Things can change for Nintendo events, we didn't get TF revealed intently supposed be revealed at E3 2012.
I don't we should dismiss the leaky 3 just because it got the E3 reveal date wrong.

 

[Luigi#1]

WHY IS THIS LEAK ALIVE!?
Little Mac was announced at a non E3 thing, and only 50% of the leak was true in the first place.

 

[Chimera]

The rumor was never wrong - The only part of it that's been wrong thus far is "They were all to be revealed at E3" - You know what was also wrong? That Nintendo was going to have an E3 conference. When did they change it to a direct? We don't know

srsly, nobody knows how early he got this info. I'm not saying it's 100% true once again, but if you're just discrediting him for that (unless he's explained himself and admitted he was BSing or something) it doesn't make much sense.

April. So they likely knew before then that they were not having a conference. http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/25/no-nintendo-press-conference-at-e3-2013

 

[Thirdkoopa]

This and the Palutena leak are the only remotely plausible leaks, so for better or worse we'll end up talking about them until some new leaks with actual weight to them come along.



The rumor was wrong the instant Mac, Pac-Man, and Mii weren't revealed at E3.That was the core of the rumor - not that they're in the game, but specifically that they'd be revealed at E3.

Salromano told us himself that he got the info a week in advance of E3 in the article on his website.

Alright, a week in advance. All I'd say to that is changes could be made - not as probable as some theories I've thrown out - So far from what we know, it seems that each newcomer has got their own specific trailer. If the three were revealed in one big trailer overall that'd be one thing, but it's very plausible for them to be cut. Heck, WFT was revealed at E3, but not at the direct.

I find the core of the rumor that they're in the game but that's just me. Did he ever say anything after E3?

 

[Chimera]

Again, if we want to keep the leaky 3 alive, then why are we discrediting other leaks the very second they miss one thing?

 

[TheTuninator]

Things can change for Nintendo events, we didn't get TF revealed intently supposed be revealed at E3 2012.
I don't we should dismiss the leaky 3 just because it got the E3 reveal date wrong.

Thing absolutely can change!

However, if we venture into "what if" territory, a myriad of possibilities emerge. What if the leaker knew the characters would be in and just guessed they'd be at E3? What if Salromano is just trolling us? What if the leaker knew half the characters and trolled us with the rest, or made an educated guess based on revealed information? What if Nintendo pulled the plug on the reveals for some reason after finding out about the leak? What if, as mentioned by Bauske here, Salromano's source was simply a convention attendee who got some information in advance? What if the reveals were all pushed back 7+ months for some unknown reason in between the leaker obtaining his information and E3?

There's no way to have any actual discussion if we stray away from the facts, because I can say that the leaker was trolling us just as easily as you can say that Nintendo just rearranged their reveal schedules.

Again, if we want to keep the leaky 3 alive, then why are we discrediting other leaks the very second they miss one thing?

I haven't seen many of the other leaks, but to be fair, the E3 leak actually does have something going for it that most others don't: it accurately predicted a very unlikely guess. Most other rumors are just half-assed collections of obvious predictions we've all already made.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Again, if we want to keep the leaky 3 alive, then why are we discrediting other leaks the very second they miss one thing?

Because this leak technically missed nothing yet. If Little Mac was an Assist Trophy, that'd be completely different. All this leak missed is the context of when they'd be revealed.

If that happened to any other leak I'd treat it in the same way.

 

[TheTuninator]

Because this leak technically missed nothing yet. If Little Mac was an Assist Trophy, that'd be completely different. All this leak missed is the context of when they'd be revealed.

If that happened to any other leak I'd treat it in the same way.

This leak absolutely missed something very big. The leak claimed with great confidence that Pac-Man, Little Mac and Mii would be revealed at E3 "barring impromptu change" (being cut from the biggest gaming event of the year and delayed for 7+ months is an "impromptu" change?). None of those three characters were revealed at E3.

Missing the context of the reveal schedule is huge when your leak claims to predict the reveal schedule accurately, because it means that your information isn't accurate.

 

[Snagrio]

I have to ask those of you who despise the idea of Miis in Smash this question. If Miis were not customizable in any way whatsoever and only have the generic default faces, a concrete moveset that is unchangeable, and a consistent size, would you be more accepting of their inclusion?

It seems to me that most of the opposing reasons tie in with the customizable concept, i.e. fighting Hitlers and Reggies online.

 

[Chimera]

I haven't seen many of the other leaks, but to be fair, the E3 leak actually does have something going for it that most others don't: it accurately predicted a very unlikely guess. Most other rumors are just half-***** collections of obvious predictions we've all already made.

Right, I understand that it guessed something unlikely, but it remains logically inconsistent to give it significantly more leeway than other leaks based off of that alone.

Because this leak technically missed nothing yet. If Little Mac was an Assist Trophy, that'd be completely different. All this leak missed is the context of when they'd be revealed.

If that happened to any other leak I'd treat it in the same way.

Um it missed 50%. The leak said 6 character reveals for E3. We got 3. It's wrong. The characters may all show up in the game, but since the leak was wrong, there is no way to prove he ever knew anything beyond what we all knew.

 

[TheTuninator]

I have to ask those of you who despise the idea of Miis in Smash this question. If Miis were not customizable in any way whatsoever and only have the generic default faces, a concrete moveset that is unchangeable, and a consistent size, would you be more accepting of their inclusion?

It seems to me that most of the opposing reasons tie in with the customizable concept, i.e. fighting Hitlers and Reggies online.

I still wouldn't really care for them as they'd likely look terrible and bland next to most of the gorgeously detailed HD models everyone else has, but their inclusion would certainly be far less painful.

I don't even mind some basic customization as long as it's not related to hitbox sizes. I just don't want people to be able to import their "wacky" custom Miis.

Ultimately, I trust Sakurai to make any newcomer entertaining, so I guess it's a wash.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

This leak absolutely missed something very big. The leak claimed with great confidence that Pac-Man, Little Mac and Mii would be revealed at E3 "barring impromptu change" (being cut from the biggest gaming event of the year and delayed for 7+ months is an "impromptu" change?). None of those three characters were revealed at E3.

Missing the context of the reveal schedule is huge when your leak claims to predict the reveal schedule accurately, because it means that your information isn't accurate.

There's still many conclusions possible down to this, you realize this, right? Just because E3 is big doesn't mean things don't get changed at last minute. Do you want to know how fast Journey had to be changed to have a build at E3? 24 hours. I've been to these cons and I know some of these devs personally (Not many dealing with Smash, before someone asks).

There's a lot of things to take into account as well. As I said, if a character not from there was revealed or only one of his choices was right, I'd be skeptical. If you come to me forward with info after the event that states he's a fraud, I'll roll with it. For now I'll be skeptical. Unfortunately, for now and everything I've checked, this isn't over by a long shot.

 

[TheTuninator]

There's still many conclusions possible down to this, you realize this, right?

Of course I do.

However, if we venture into "what if" territory, a myriad of possibilities emerge. What if the leaker knew the characters would be in and just guessed they'd be at E3? What if Salromano is just trolling us? What if the leaker knew half the characters and trolled us with the rest, or made an educated guess based on revealed information? What if Nintendo pulled the plug on the reveals for some reason after finding out about the leak? What if, as mentioned by Bauske here, Salromano's source was simply a convention attendee who got some information in advance? What if the reveals were all pushed back 7+ months for some unknown reason in between the leaker obtaining his information and E3?

There's a lot of things to take into account as well. As I said, if a character not from there was revealed or only one of his choices was right, I'd be skeptical. If you come to me forward with info after the event that states he's a fraud, I'll roll with it. For now I'll be skeptical. Unfortunately, for now and everything I've checked, this isn't over by a long shot.

This rumor will never be over until we have the final roster in front of us, one way or the other. It probably won't be over even then, because both Pac-Man and Mii are likely inclusions.

If Pac-Man and Mii end up in the final game we'll probably be arguing over this for years unless Salromano can offer some further clarification.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

I dread Mii because I don't want to fight Naruto and Hitler every time I decide to do some online play.

And I wouldn't even get to see Naruto do any moves anywhere near *close* to his canon! Sure would be fun to see Batman using a surfboard! If you customize their moves, you break the game. You don't customize them, moveset dissonance.

That's why I hate Miis.

I actually don't mind Pac Man too much, not even if he uses more modern stuff. Miis alone are the bad mojo.

I'm also of the "he was give three characters to leak and made three easy guesses for the lulz".

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Of course I do.

Good. We're on the same page then.

I think it's looking likable but as I said, even if Pac-Man or Mii gets revealed, I'm not holding immediate stock into the other one.

As for if he had info or not, we'll never know. Who's to say we'll even believe his story if there's no NDA stopping him now/in the future?

 

[AnOkayDM]

I have to ask those of you who despise the idea of Miis in Smash this question. If Miis were not customizable in any way whatsoever and only have the generic default faces, a concrete moveset that is unchangeable, and a consistent size, would you be more accepting of their inclusion?

It seems to me that most of the opposing reasons tie in with the customizable concept, i.e. fighting Hitlers and Reggies online.

I want an unchangeable moveset with customizable faces if we get Miis. Maybe online they just show the default Mii though, to avoid Hitler.