SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Arcadenik]

Back on topic, I totally regret posting that Jumpman leak here now. It's going to be a while before we stop hearing about how great a choice Jumpman is, and how he's definitely getting in because of that.

I think it is telling when the so-called leaker deleted that Jumpman leak... even he realized his leak was stupid... you should've have let that leak die instead of reposting it here...

 

[XStarWarriorX]

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You guys want a true leak?

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in all seriousness idk why people take these rumors seriously, I mean seriously jumpman? lol

 

[N3ON]

The sad part is if that rumor hadn't have been seen before it was deleted, we'd all be none the wiser and better off, but now people are talking about Jumpman like he actually matters.

This is why they make them in the first place.

 

[BKupa666]

I think it is telling when the so-called leaker deleted that Jumpman leak... even he realized his leak was stupid... you should've have let that leak die instead of reposting it here...

The GameFAQs mods deleted it, not the troll. See, I opted to post it because, on the off chance that it's true, I don't want to let it slip through the cracks and only have me knowing it happened. Crossing my fingers now that Jumpman will fade over time the moment the Roster Discussion Thread becomes enamored by some other historical footnote.

 

[Jumpman84]

Falco experienced more move changes between Melee and Brawl than SSB4 Bowser has (that we know of). He's also never been considered to be cut, despite constant complaints since before Brawl that he should be. He's not going anywhere.

Back on topic, I totally regret posting that Jumpman leak here now. It's going to be a while before we stop hearing about how great a choice Jumpman is, and how he's definitely getting in because of that.

Why you hate Jump, man? All he ever wanted to do was be your friend...

Jumpman 4 Sm4sh!

 

[Arcadenik]

I'm gonna be pissed if Sakurai adds Jumpman but not Toad. There's no justification for this!

 

[Nintendotard]

I'm gonna be pissed if Sakurai adds Jumpman but not Toad. There's no justification for this!

Life wise with removing Ganon and leaving Toony

 

[Starbound]

Someone just posted another leak on Gamefaqs. Here's the link: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/68082653

And in case the mods get at it, here's what he has to say.

Hello. I am a member of the Sora team interested in sharing with the Smash Fans some of the info about the new Smash games. I have been on GameFaqs since 2004, and I would like to protect my reputation as a result of that. All questions asking me about my other account will be ignored.

-The roster size is not finalized, but without time constraints, the game would have a total of 47 characters in it.
-Mewtwo and Roy are both returning. Mewtwo in particular has a revamped moveset using both of his mega evolutions, neither of which are used in his final smash
-As you can tell with the wanted total of characters being 47, there are 6 newcomers.
-The other three newcomers are: Bowser Jr., King K. Rool and Palutena. As they are still in development, it is unknown when they will be revealed.
-Due to the reception of the cuts from Melee, no cuts are planned to happen. This is also the reason for the lack of newcomers. Cuts may happen if time constraints become an issue, but the game is far enough into development where the situation is unlikely.
-Anticipated release date is Q2 2014.
-Kid Icarus receives a console stage based on the Underworld from the NES game. A hazard here is a Reaper that will come around from time to time and will summon reapettes.
-Stages from all past Smash Bros. games will be appearing on the Wii U. Smash 64 stages are: Peach's Castle, Planet Zebes and Sector Z. Melee stages are: Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams, PokeFloats, Kongo Jungle and Fourside. Brawl will have 7 returning stages, which are: Castle Seige, Skyworld, Distant Planet, WarioWare.Inc, The Summit, Mario Bros. and Flat Zone 2.
-Some of the new assist trophies are: Eggplant Wizard (turns an enemy into an eggplant and they can't attack while in this form. Wears off after 10 seconds), Micaiah (heals the summoner) and Bubbles (shoots out vibrations that cause the broken shield confusion state)
-Not all of the old assist trophies return. Such examples are Little Mac, Waluigi and Jill.
-There is a stage based on Guar Plains from Xenoblade

Now I will explain some info on the three new characters.

Bowser Jr. is a small target with medium weight (a little less than Mario). He uses his paintbrush in battle. His stage entry is appearing from an M in the floor. His down special move is creating paint from his brush. It is a charging move. The longer you charge it, the more goop you make. Standing on the goop has an effect akin to Lip's Stick (a returning item), and slows down your movement. His final Smash is the Koopa Clown Car, where he goes into his Clown Car (complete with the boxing fists). Pressing A releases a fist. Pressing B releases a bomb. The rest of his moveset is currently being worked on.

King K Rool, as expected, is of large height and weight. He is still lighter than Bowser though. His moveset is currently also in the works, but Sakurai is wanting to use abilities from all four of his bossfights (DKC1, DKC2, DKC3 and DK64).

Palutena, a tall and suprisingly heavy female character, also has a moveset in the works. Her moveset is expecting to involve the use of summonable centurions, as well as light projectiles. There has been no work made on her final smash, but there has been discussion about integrating the Chaos Kin.

I am open to sharing more info with you should anything be requested. As this account is considered a new user, I cannot frequently provide content. However, I will answer all questions asked as I am able to (if I have enough daily posts. I will tell you if I do not know the answer to your question).

I dunno about this one. It seems different enough in structure that it could be plausible.

I really like the idea of all the past stages returning though. Hope that it's true.

 

[N3ON]

So Little Mac isn't playable. And doesn't return as an AT.

And we get every single past stage.

Oh, and six newcomers.

...

Sounds legit.

 

[BKupa666]

This rumor makes me happy because it is the first post-E3 one that features K. Rool. With my obvious desire for it to be true in mind, I'll be remaining extra vigilant to watch for the other elements on it to be confirmed or denied so as to avoid giving it more premature credibility than it deserves. Which, as of now, is slim to none.

 

[Deleted member]

"Stages from all past Smash Bros. games" =/= "All past stages from Smash Bros. games"

That being said, any "leak" that has Little Mac as anything but a character is automatically false.

 

[N3ON]

Yesh, I didn't read that part carefully enough. That is indeed plausible.

The many other less than plausible parts are still cause for... skepticism to say the least though.

 

[BKupa666]

The fact that the leak isn't "Likely character, likely character, completely shocking WTF character, adventure mode tidbit," followed by "Don't believe me? This item is being revealed this month" for once is cause enough for me to lend more of an ear.

 

[Starbound]

I think this is the first leak to mention Roy and Palutena as well.

Though the removal of Little Mac from AT status is surprising. Maybe he plays some role in the boxing ring stage?

 

[N3ON]

The fact that the leak isn't "Likely character, likely character, completely shocking WTF character, adventure mode tidbit," followed by "Don't believe me? This item is being revealed this month" for once is cause enough for me to lend more of an ear.

That and K. Rool, amirite?

Honestly, while those three are all good choices, they don't seem like ones Sakurai would opt for with such a limited amount of newcomers. Especially Bowser Jr.

Not to mention Little Mac's role seems to have been decreased, which is all kinds of unlikely.

 

[BKupa666]

That and K. Rool, amirite?

Honestly, while those three are all good choices, they don't seem like ones Sakurai would opt for with such a limited amount of newcomers. Especially Bowser Jr.

Not to mention Little Mac's role seems to have been decreased, which is all kinds of unlikely.

See my above post. I'm well aware of what confirmation bias is, and with that in mind, I'm going to keep a closer eye out for any holes that emerge with the leak. That being said, it's a lot less formulaic than what we've seen in the past (see: the Jumpman leak, WiiULuv, InfiniteGTX, etc.), so in that regard, it's more intriguing as well.

Probably the biggest hole I see so far is the absence of a retro character when Sakurai explicitly claimed to be looking into reviving characters through Smash bros.

 

[Inawordyes]

Someone just posted another leak on Gamefaqs. Here's the link: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/68082653

And in case the mods get at it, here's what he has to say.

I dunno about this one. It seems different enough in structure that it could be plausible.

I really like the idea of all the past stages returning though. Hope that it's true.

My thoughts on the leak:

• A roster between 45-50 - expected by some, not all
• Mewtwo and Roy returning - expected by most, not all in the case of Roy, especially on that thread
• Only 6 newcomers - most expect more, but the reason he gives is actually very plausible and has been thrown around a lot, though I am disappointed in the low number if this is a true leak
• No cuts except in the case of time restraints - mentioned by Sakurai himself, so expected by most, not all
• Q2 2014 release date - rumored Spring release, mentioned as a misquote by Nintendo, poissible back-tracking. Expected by some, not all
• Kid Icarus Wii U stage - Expected/Wanted by most, was mentioned yesterday on some of the threads here which makes it funny
• Past stages - can't really argue this at all
• Assist Trophies - Micaiah is the only character on the list that some chance for this game, while Eggplant Wizard was expected to an extent. No comment on Bubbles
• Past Assist Trophies - Not sure if he means that Little Mac, Waluigi, and Jill are or aren't returning. If they are, then that's a disappointment, but it corroborates other leaks saying Mac is an AT again while contradicting others that say he'll be playable
• Xenoblade Stage - No mention of Shulk at all makes me sad. I doubt the legitimacy of this, but to mention a stage without Shulk at least as an AT disappoints me)
• Bowser Jr explanation - He was either gonna be a clone of Bowser or use his paintbrush, so this isn't all too surprising, and actually sounds fun, despite my disappointment in Jr. getting in over Toad.
• K. Rool explanation - This fits the King, and not much is said, but incorporating from all his boss battles is a step in the right direction.
• Palutena explanation - I don't think anybody ever considered her using summoning in her moveset, as most expected she would be tall and heavy but use a staff. I don't think the Chao Kin was ever brought up as a viable Final Smash idea either. This doesn't seem to outlandish, though, and Sakurai has gone on record that there might not be as many newcomers because he wants to polish the current characters, so making the newcomers really unique is a step in that direction.

Final thoughts - If this is true, then there are gonna be a lot of angry fans out there, haha, and I wouldn't ultimately mind, though I would be disappointed if there wasn't gonna be any DLC for other requested characters like Little Mac, Takamaru, Ridley, Toad, Shulk, Dixie Kong, Chrom, and even Mii, much as I'd rather not. That one guy who says he's a fake because Jr. and K. Rool aren't likely and Roy isn't coming back because an Awakening rep is obvious, though...

 

[Starbound]

Yeah, GameFaqs doesn't believe the dude at all.

But I guess that's customary of GameFaqs these days.

 

[BKupa666]

Yeah, GameFaqs doesn't believe the dude at all.

But I guess that's customary of GameFaqs these days.

GameFAQs didn't believe ChaosZero (the Dragoon leaker) back in the day. The mods deleted his thread and branded him a troll for posting "off-topic information." And users are still trying to spin the Wii Fit Trainer leak as 100% a guess, even in this very thread.

Edit: New post from "leaker:"

"I'm not in any position where I know what the pic of the day is. Sakurai is the one who decides it without consulting anyone, so I find out when the rest of the world finds out.​

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We spend time on our weekends discussing what will be in the daily pics just like you guys. We've been wanting to see Yoshi confirmed for weeks now, as he looks really cool. I guess Sakurai is holding out on him to wait for Yoshi's New Island.​

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We're also almost done the Ice Climbers. 3DS problems were annoying with Nana's AI, but we are very close to getting it perfect. When they are done, all of the Melee veterans, sans Mewtwo and Roy, will be finalized. I don't know what character he plans on working on next. I'm personally hoping for Wario, and that he'll include more moves from Wario Land, like the shoulder charge, but I'm not getting my hopes up.​

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As for questioning Roy, we do have scouts on the internet that do look at what fans want, and Roy is requested a lot, which is why Sakurai wants to bring him back. We've already got permission from Intelligent Systems to use him, and will be using his Awakening design.​

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Also forgot to mention that Shulk is an AT. We haven't decided on what effects he will do, as we're still working on the model."​

 

[N3ON]

Yeah, but for every one leak that was true, there were like a hundred that weren't (especially when the Brawl madness peaked), so you can't really blame people for dismissing most supposed leaks, even the real ones.

The best you can do is what we're doing now, keeping a log of them so as more information comes out we can match em up to any previous claims.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

The odd thing is that he says that he's part of Project Sora. Obviously Project Sora isn't the developer of this game, it's Namco, for all we know Sakurai is the only guy from Sora who is involved with this game. Even then, if other people from Sora are involved they are likely making the game alongside Namco, and I doubt someone so close to the development of the game would go on ahead and leak something, it's always someone with connections who go and leak stuff, not someone from within development.

The leak is also awfully specific to the point where only the developers would know such information (Bowser Jr.'s weight being a tad less than Mario's for example). If the game is slated for Q2 release I also have extremely big doubts that K. Rool's moveset is still in the works, otherwise they better hurry up as that'd mean K. Rool is currently without animations too. Supposedly the same goes for Palutena and half of Bowser Jr's moveset, which would be extremely bad if that's the case.

I wouldn't count on this one.

 

[N3ON]

Edit: New post from "leaker:"

"I'm not in any position where I know what the pic of the day is. Sakurai is the one who decides it without consulting anyone, so I find out when the rest of the world finds out.

We spend time on our weekends discussing what will be in the daily pics just like you guys. We've been wanting to see Yoshi confirmed for weeks now, as he looks really cool. I guess Sakurai is holding out on him to wait for Yoshi's New Island.

We're also almost done the Ice Climbers. 3DS problems were annoying with Nana's AI, but we are very close to getting it perfect. When they are done, all of the Melee veterans, sans Mewtwo and Roy, will be finalized. I don't know what character he plans on working on next. I'm personally hoping for Wario, and that he'll include more moves from Wario Land, like the shoulder charge, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

As for questioning Roy, we do have scouts on the internet that do look at what fans want, and Roy is requested a lot, which is why Sakurai wants to bring him back. We've already got permission from Intelligent Systems to use him, and will be using his Awakening design.

Also forgot to mention that Shulk is an AT. We haven't decided on what effects he will do, as we're still working on the model."

The fact that he's basically just restating speculated information and points Sakurai has addressed without really giving us any information we haven't discussed before doesn't give me great hope for its legitimacy.

We wonder if Yoshi is being held back for one of his games?
He says the same thing.

Sakurai mentions development difficulties with the ICs?
This guy restates it. Nothing about the development stories on other characters, nope, just the one we already knew about.

Seems like he's just someone familiar with the speculation scene tbh.

Also seems like they'd give priority to finishing development on the six newcomers before finalizing characters like Falco and Jigglypuff, who are apparently done. You know, considering there's only six... and newcomers are kind of important.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

6 newcomers total?

And Little Mac doesn't return in any form, yet they include a boxing stage? Some points may try to twist it around into sounding like something possible, but the whole thing about Mac and the very small number of total newcomers makes this "leak" laughable. I'm certain it's fake.

 

[BKupa666]

Oh, look, more responses to my questions.

@KingOfAwesome69:​

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Why are the newcomers still being worked on when, in the past, the roster has been the first thing finalized about the game and newcomers were completed before now?​

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The roster has been finalized in terms of "These are the only characters who are being considered for Smash 4". We're hoping to get all of the characters done soon. Beyond the three newcomers and Roy, all we have left to work on are Wario and Wolf, so we're farther along than I might have made it seem.​

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I wasn't on the development team for Brawl, so I'm afraid I can't provide much context. But from what I heard from my colleagues, the Brawl roster was done so quickly to work on the Adventure mode. But they still hadn't finished Wolf, Jigglypuff or Toon Link at the time, and obviously Sonic wasn't included.​

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Sakurai has been prioritizing veterans over newcomers, as he doesn't want any fans to be disappointed with any cuts. He only worked on Villager, Mega Man and Wii Fit Trainer to show off some of the new cast at E3, but they weren't done until all of the first twelve characters were done. Does this make sense and answer your question? If not, ask where you'd like specifications.​

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What decision process went into choosing those three newcomers, plus Mewtwo/Roy?​

Mewtwo and Roy were chosen due to an overwhelming amount of support here in Japan for their return, plus they are really popular in other areas of the world as well. He wanted to bring back Doctor Mario, but once we pitched ideas to him about how to develop Bowser Jr. (I work in concept by the way. We're the guys who make the ideas and pitch them to Sakurai), he didn't want to over saturate the Mario characters. We haven't discussed the prospect of DLC characters yet, but if we did, I'd imagine Doctor Mario, and Pichu, would be one, as they each have their fans who want them back in Smash, though they are smaller than Mewtwo and Roy.​

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As for the other three newcomers, we did bring a lot of ideas to Sakurai, such as Ridley, Little Mac, Takamaru, Chrom (which was surprisingly turned down quickly), Andy, Shulk, Lip, Black Shadow and Starfy. He liked the idea of Bowser Jr. as the painting was something really unique that made him stick out. It wasn't much of a popularity decision, but the kid does have a respectable fanbase in Japan, Europe and the Americas.​

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King K. Rool was chosen mostly due to popularity reasons. His name was among the most common in all of the places we visited, according to the scouts. He also felt that K. Rool was s sharp contrast to the other characters, and can be partially explained as the reason Bowser was changed.​

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Palutena was chosen because she's another popular character. I think a lot of the time, people think that we don't listen to our fans, but we really do. Her inclusion also helps bring Sakurai's revival of Kid Icarus to a close. He did want to include her in Brawl, but was unsure of what direction to take with her. Uprising fleshed her out and she was among the first choices Sakurai made (alongside Villager).​

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Why is there no retro character when Sakurai mentioned wanting to bring one back in an interview?​

I honestly have no idea. We did bring up several ideas, such as Bubbles, Mach Rider, Little Mac, Takamaru and Balloon Fighter. We even brought up DK Junior! We've learned not to question Sakurai, as the long work days and his arm are making him growingly irritable. He really likes his older characters, so I'm as surprised as you are about not including one. Maybe he is including one without consulting us on it, which wouldn't be the first time. Or maybe he wants to make a new Ice Climber game.​

 

[Starbound]

That last paragraph almost sounds like Sakurai will be done with the series after this game. Sounds like such a grouch too.

And yeah, doesn't sound like this guy knows much. Which really sucks for me because Palutena is someone I really want to see in Smash 4.

Though I think this lines up with the latest interview in that Sakurai does the character work by himself.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Has Sakurai ever stated he chooses characters by himself?

I'm rather tired right now so I can't think of exactly why, but I'm very doubtful Sakurai has a bunch of guys look at different Nintendo characters and suggest them. Sakurai seems more like the kind of developer to check out the characters himself.

 

[Shroob]

Maybe I'm ignorant, but if he's with Sora, his English is damn good.

 

[shaggypatriot12]

This is all well and good....but how do we know we can believe you? I for one am not buying this

 

[BKupa666]

Unrelated to the leak, but a rather intelligent post from GameFAQs I want to copy over as it pertains to leaks in general:

"The correct strategy for leaks is to request information continuously. If they are telling the truth, you get more information. If they are lying, you make it easier and easier to tell that they are lying. Considering that when Brawl's roster actually was leaked no one believed it for a long time and the person doing the leaking otherwise had no credibility, this is the only sane angle I feel."​

 

[soviet prince]

hope this is false I really can not see a reasion to make a sequel with only 6 newcomers.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

This leaker seems very relatable.

Ask him why he thinks "Ridley, Little Mac, Takamaru, Chrom, etc." were turned down.

 

[N3ON]

I like how this guy thinks people would be more disappointed by not getting back every single veteran than only getting six newcomers, and newcomers that aren't even getting priority development time.

Plus didn't this guy say the roster was finalized, didn't he say he knew who was on the roster? He can give specific details about the newcomers, yet "maybe [Sakurai] is including [a retro character] without consulting us on it". That right there should be a red flag as to this rumor's legitimacy.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Plus didn't this guy say the roster was finalized, didn't he say he knew who was on the roster? He can give specific details about the newcomers, yet "maybe [Sakurai] is including [a retro character] without consulting us on it". That right there should be a red flag as to this rumor's legitimacy.

Red Flag. But sadly, not enough for a clincher.

Everything he's saying can technically be true.

I'm more curious as to the "he's done it before," bit myself.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Okay, so he just shot himself in the foot. He just stated what department he is supposedly working at. No sane person would do that, Sakurai and co. would easily be able to point their fingers at him, and big time punishment would rain down upon him to the point where he would never get to pitch ideas to anymore video games.

Next please.

 

[N3ON]

Red Flag. But sadly, not enough for a clincher.

Everything he's saying can technically be true.

I'm more curious as to the "he's done it before," bit myself.

No, but it is enough to largely be dismissed. Sakurai working on a character that the other members of the team don't know about at this point in time? After he said he knew the finalized roster? Even though development on the other newcomers isn't even done (according to him)?

This guy needs rumor lessons.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay, so he just shot himself in the foot. He just stated what department he is supposedly working at. No sane person would do that, Sakurai and co. would easily be able to point their fingers at him, and big time punishment would rain down upon him to the point where he would never get to pitch ideas to anymore video games.

Next please.

There's the clincher!

Still, ask him that question Kupa!

I wanna hear his answer.

 

[soviet prince]

link me to this dude, man I hope he is not legit but it seems with past exp the most disappointing leak is the true one ( I like k rool but in expense of only 6 newcomers and no ridley)

 

[Starbound]

I'm moreso laughing at the response to the leak than the replies he's giving.

Gamefaqs must really hate Roy.

Or they have a morbid obsession with Chrom.

 

[Banjodorf]

I dunno. If this turned out to be true, even though it excludes Mac AND Takamaru, I'd be alright with it. Revamped Mewtwo + K. Rool? Fine by me.

 

[Deleted member]

If it were any other developer being talked about, I would agree that it is too odd.
But keeping a character hidden from even the other members of the team definitely seems up Sakurai's alley.


Though I still stand by this being false on the grounds that it contradicts the pre-E3 leak.