SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Aurora Jenny]

Regardless of whether or not "the ring" ends up being a Punch-Out stage (I'm leaning towards yes, but we have no actual proof), I think it is strange that it hasn't been given a name yet, and that it is a a Wii U only stage. If it was a generic smash stage, like Final Destination or Battlefield, you'd think there would at a 3DS version as well.

Even if it's not a Punch-Out stage, it better have some Punch-Out music. Maybe some Pro-wrestling music, too.

There's a lot of things that Sakurai hasn't confirmed yet. Some for obvious reasons like Final Smashes. He can't share these without spoiling Pit or Samus. There's also some stage details that are up in the air.

Stage Wise...

1. Pyrosphere's stage hazard, that he's hinted at being possible with Ridley.
2. Smashville's background characters. In every screenshot we see of them, it's always Wendell/Pelly/Sahara for the town and Redd/Gracie/Dr. Shrunk for the city.
We've also yet to see a time change which is a big staple of its predecessor stage. Do the characters rotate out? And as someone pointed out, we haven't seen Nook either.
3. Nintendogs stage. We have yet to see many shots of this place, or even any details. One might guess because it's not an easy stage to work with as far as playing around with shots.
4. Our mystery stage from the E3 13 trailer, though with the reveal of the adventure mode, one can assume that's part of it.
5. One shot only stages. Smashville New Leaf/Find Mii Castle stage. We have ONE shot of each stage and nothing else since.
6. Lots of the main franchises have YET to even have a single item announced or even a stage. DK, F-Zero, Eartherbound, Yoshi..

Character Anomalies

1. Phantom vs. Zelda's Down B. Now the debate's raged on and thanks to everyone pinning down moves for Smashbros-Miiverse, we've pretty much figured that much of her moveset remains intact, so in all likelihood, this guy is either part of another character's moveset or is an Assist Trophy (most likely). Officially, Sakurai has yet to comment.
2. Link & Tink BOTH have yet to have their Side+B special shown, which should be the boomerang. I don't think this will be anything earth-shattering, just odd.
3. Pokemon WAS on this list, but what with Lucaria and now Palkia as a pokeball confirmed, looks like whatever hold-up was going on has been lifted.
4. Yoshi is certainly odd, but one can expect he's just being held on to for a game promotion.

Now, Probably nothing, but I wonder how much of this is because it would spoil the inclusion or exclusion of some things?

 

[Spazzy_D]

There's a lot of things that Sakurai hasn't confirmed yet. Some for obvious reasons like Final Smashes. He can't share these without spoiling Pit or Samus. There's also some stage details that are up in the air.

Stage Wise...

1. Pyrosphere's stage hazard, that he's hinted at being possible with Ridley.
2. Smashville's background characters. In every screenshot we see of them, it's always Wendell/Pelly/Sahara for the town and Redd/Gracie/Dr. Shrunk for the city.
We've also yet to see a time change which is a big staple of its predecessor stage. Do the characters rotate out? And as someone pointed out, we haven't seen Nook either.
3. Nintendogs stage. We have yet to see many shots of this place, or even any details. One might guess because it's not an easy stage to work with as far as playing around with shots.
4. Our mystery stage from the E3 13 trailer, though with the reveal of the adventure mode, one can assume that's part of it.
5. One shot only stages. Smashville New Leaf/Find Mii Castle stage. We have ONE shot of each stage and nothing else since.
6. Lots of the main franchises have YET to even have a single item announced or even a stage. DK, F-Zero, Eartherbound, Yoshi..

Character Anomalies

1. Phantom vs. Zelda's Down B. Now the debate's raged on and thanks to everyone pinning down moves for Smashbros-Miiverse, we've pretty much figured that much of her moveset remains intact, so in all likelihood, this guy is either part of another character's moveset or is an Assist Trophy (most likely). Officially, Sakurai has yet to comment.
2. Link & Tink BOTH have yet to have their Side+B special shown, which should be the boomerang. I don't think this will be anything earth-shattering, just odd.
3. Pokemon WAS on this list, but what with Lucaria and now Palkia as a pokeball confirmed, looks like whatever hold-up was going on has been lifted.
4. Yoshi is certainly odd, but one can expect he's just being held on to for a game promotion.

Now, Probably nothing, but I wonder how much of this is because it would spoil the inclusion or exclusion of some things?

This is what makes me think (even more so) that it is a Punch-Out stage AND the Mac will be playable. If it was a generic Smash stage (that didn't come from any particular franchise) it would likely have also been a 3DS stage, or we would have at least seen a comparable type of stage on 3DS. If it is from an existing franchise, though, why keep it a secret unless it would spoil something? Once again, we don't actually know if it is, but I strongly suspect it.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

This is what makes me think (even more so) that it is a Punch-Out stage AND the Mac will be playable. If it was a generic Smash stage (that didn't come from any particular franchise) it would likely have also been a 3DS stage, or we would have at least seen a comparable type of stage on 3DS. If it is from an existing franchise, though, why keep it a secret unless it would spoil something? Once again, we don't actually know if it is, but I strongly suspect it.

I half wonder if this is why we only have character pages on the Smash Site. Some of these stage would be a dead giveaway if their franchise emblem were shown.

 

[swordbreaker]

I loved playing as Pen from Pictochat in Brawl.

I also love when people don't know when what they are saying is irrelevant to the point.

 

[Louie G.]

You mean Glass Joe and Bald Bull aren't notable?

Punch Out has tons of unique and notable characters: King Hippo, Glass Joe, Bald Bull...
But those characters appearing as stage hazards doesn't make sense to me. They could be assist trophies for sure, but no Punch Out character really fits into that "stage hazard" niche.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Punch Out has tons of unique and notable characters: King Hippo, Glass Joe, Bald Bull...
But those characters appearing as stage hazards doesn't make sense to me. They could be assist trophies for sure, but no Punch Out character really fits into that "stage hazard" niche.

What about Aaran Ryan? He seems like the kinda guy who'd be a heel in wrestling rather than a boxer. I could imagine him causing havok.

 

[Louie G.]

What about Aaran Ryan? He seems like the kinda guy who'd be a heel in wrestling rather than a boxer. I could imagine him causing havok.

Sure, it's just a boxing ring like the one in the stage should just be left alone.
Just make it a standard boxing ring: no hazards, no anything. Just fighting.

 

[Wario Bros.]

The only way that I can be convinced that the arena is in fact a Punch-Out!! stage is I'll need to see a Punch-Out!! character appear in the background (any character, I don't care who).

 

[Louie G.]

The only way that I can be convinced that the arena is in fact a Punch-Out!! stage is I'll need to see a Punch-Out!! character appear in the background (any character, I don't care who).

Or just have Mac confirmed.
Because I don't foresee any characters popping up in the background.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Or just have Mac confirmed.
Because I don't foresee any characters popping up in the background.

But, there are hundreds of characters in the background already...

Hehe.

I could see two random Punch Out opponents jump into the ring and fight eachother, but I doubt they would interract with the players.

EDIT: crap, Rumor thread again, I did dumb...

 

[CosmicKirby]

I also love when people don't know when what they are saying is irrelevant to the point.

Oh, but I do.

There isn't a precedent that only character related stages should be in a Smash game, though it is the norm. Sakurai seems to be perfectly fine with including random bits of Nintendo's history without having to make them a character, ie. Super scope, trophies, etc.

It would be odd to include a punch-out themed stage without actually including a punch-out character. But it wouldn't be the first time a unrelated stage appeared.

That being said I'd doubt they would include a stage for a frequently requested character that has already appeared as an assist trophy, without actually adding the character. I think Little Mac is being hinted at so bluntly it's obvious he's on the roster.

 

[Arcadenik]

Punch Out has tons of unique and notable characters: King Hippo, Glass Joe, Bald Bull...
But those characters appearing as stage hazards doesn't make sense to me. They could be assist trophies for sure, but no Punch Out character really fits into that "stage hazard" niche.

Great Tiger might work as a stage hazard... teleporting around, punching people... Aran Ryan could swing the boxing glove with a rope to punch people from the background...

 

[Louie G.]

As a Punch Out fan, I would actually be disappointed to see any characters appear as background elements.
The Boxing Ring doesn't need to be any more interesting than it is. It may not be interesting, but it's a boxing ring, it's supposed to be generic.

 

[UberPyro64]

Wait...people think the arena is not a Punch Out!! stage? It's obvious that it is. I mean it's common sense kind of obvious. So that's pretty bad.

 

[Miles Pierre]

As a Punch Out fan, I would actually be disappointed to see any characters appear as background elements.
The Boxing Ring doesn't need to be any more interesting than it is. It may not be interesting, but it's a boxing ring, it's supposed to be generic.

I like the cut of your jib.

 

[Chandeelure]

LOL
This thread is always off topic.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Eh, no other character-related stage has ever had Smash Bros. imagery in it.

That doesn't definitively mean that it isn't a Punch-Out stage, but it would certainly be the first stage we've ever gotten besides Final Destination or Battlefield that had Smash Bros.-related decorations and details.

I don't think Little Mac will miss out this time, though.

Actually the Pikmin stage in Brawl had a Smash logo in it.

 

[Louie G.]

LOL
This thread is always off topic.

Well Mac was leaked back during E3...
So we are on topic.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Isn't it a rumor that the boxing stage is a Punch-Out stage?

 

[Louie G.]

Isn't it a rumor that the boxing stage is a Punch-Out stage?

Oh yeah...
I guess it is...

 

[Xaltis]

So the Falco picture is real? I never got an answer to how it got disproven to be fake.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

The Falco picture looks like it's not even a 3D model. Also his art style looks quite different from everyone else.

 

[UltimateWario]

So the Falco picture is real? I never got an answer to how it got disproven to be fake.

It's an altered Brawl model. Nothing someone with some skill couldn't throw together.

The background is also fabricated.

 

[Miles Pierre]

So the Falco picture is real? I never got an answer to how it got disproven to be fake.

It just looks fake. The lighting is all off.

 

[splat]

So the Falco picture is real? I never got an answer to how it got disproven to be fake.

Look at his right thigh (our right, that is). See how it's all jagged? That's not happening in any of the official pictures.
See how the outer row of pixels is semi-transparent? That's something that happens when you select something in Photoshop using the Magic Wand tool with the wrong settings.

 

[Morbi]

Wait...people think the arena is not a Punch Out!! stage? It's obvious that it is. I mean it's common sense kind of obvious. So that's pretty bad.

There is no doubt that the stage is alluding to Punch Out, that is the portion of the notion that is common sense. There is a debate about whether or not the stage is a generic Smash stage inspired by Punch Out. This is significant to understand the correlation between the stage and what that entails for Little Mac. Personally, I have little doubt that a fighting game stage designed to be a boxing ring would take heavy inspiration from Nintendo's most popular boxing game. That doesn't necessarily mean that the stage is actually derived from Punch Out.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I don't think it's a Smash original stage because if it was it probably would also be on the 3DS version like battlefield, so far we haven't seen it on the 3DS, and I think that's because it's a Punch-Out stage and there has never been a handheld Punch-Out, so it wouldn't appear on the 3DS.

 

[Xaltis]

Ah okay, well either way Falco will be in it. His icon on the website actually matches with the others too. But yea either way he'll be in.

Also the arena isn't the Punch Out stage.

 

[Muster]

Actually the Pikmin stage in Brawl had a Smash logo in it.

And the the Mario Kart stage. (the smash logo appears in the background of the map screen where the cup logo normally appears)

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Also the arena isn't the Punch Out stage.

Well you do bring up a lot of good points.

 

[Frostwraith]

Because a stage = char, so if some rumour appears without Little Mac we can have arguments against the probability of said rumour be true. Off Topic nazis rule strong in smash boards...chill out bro.

Not necessarily. Smashville, PictoChat and Hanenbow in Brawl were stages with no character, meaning a stage does not imply a character being in. Even though it would suck, there's always the possibility of a Punch-Out!! stage being in the game, even though Little Mac isn't playable.

Well, I didn't mean to be rude or something as I don't like warning people about being off-topic and I rarely do such a thing, but sometimes it must be done.

A proposito...voce é português? Eu tambem sou.

Sim, sou português. Não há muitos por aqui.

Isn't it a rumor that the boxing stage is a Punch-Out stage?

Some rumors claim so and there are parallels between the Smash 4 boxing ring and those from the Punch-Out series.

Thing is, the stage is a ambiguous in design as there's nothing explicit that indicates the stage is, in fact, from Punch-Out. It could really pass as a generic boxing ring.

I must admit, this talk about the boxing ring reminds me of the speculation regarding the Castle Siege stage before being officially revealed as the Fire Emblem stage. The boxing ring could be either a generic boxing ring or a Punch-Out stage. Both possibilities are valid.

 

[agentorangez]

Edit: posted this by mistake

 

[Morbi]

I don't think it's a Smash original stage because if it was it probably would also be on the 3DS version like battlefield, so far we haven't seen it on the 3DS, and I think that's because it's a Punch-Out stage and there has never been a handheld Punch-Out, so it wouldn't appear on the 3DS.

That is an assumption based on an assumption. You can always have your opinion, but that isn't necessarily evidence that pertains to the situation at hand.

 

[Chiroz]

I'll give you that point. I never beat TD Bald Bull anyway.
You mean Glass Joe and Bald Bull aren't notable?

And another thing, what if it's just references to something else? Like the ropes match IRL ropes. Couldn't the overall design of came from a famous movie that both the stage and game are referencing?



There's nothing significant that says it's a Punch Out stage. Glass Joe would confirm it's a Punch Out stage.

You know I am a very skeptical person and I normally don't believe most things until they are proven to be completely right, but after reading that post from NeoGaf I am certain that the stage is a Punch Out stage. (This in no way confirms Little Mac as there has been many stages from franchises with no playable characters)


There is no significant reference to Punch Out? Did you read the post? Apart from the green lights almost EVERYTHING which is Smash related shows that it is referencing Punch Out.



The words Smash Bros on the back? Same font and dotted style as the announcements and scoreboards in Punch Out. Smash has no score so they couldn't just place score there randomly. (They could also place stock score for times matches like in Pokemon stadium, we actually don't know since we haven't seen the stage in action). They could have placed the words Punch Out! But this isn't a Punch Out game, it's Smash. Isn't using the same font and dotted style enough for this reference?



Also The crowd is filled with humans instead of Nintendo characters (this doesn't mean much, but you would think a Smash Stage would only be filled with random Nintendo characters)




But most importantly the Smash Logo in the middle.

Why not a Punch Out logo you ask.

But... It is literally a Punch Out logo....

Let's look at the post again, what have all Punch Out Logos shared throughout all games?

Well for starters all of them have triple stars because of the triple star punch.

Does the Smash Logo have them? Yes

All of the Punch Out Logos have a leaf border around them.

What about that Smash logo? Yea it does too!

All Punch Out Logos have a grand star in the middle.

Smash? Yes it does too!!!

Most Punch Out Logos (not all) have a banner band and 2 gloves.

Smash has the banner band but it replaces the gloves with the actual smash logo.



So this Smash Logo which is what in your opinion disproves the stage from being a Punch Out stage has 4/5 of the references of all of the Punch Out Logos and you still think it disproves it?




Edit: And also just for the kicks, the boxing ring and the ropes are the same colors as one of the stages from Punch Out, but just like the crowd, this doesn't mean much since many real life boxing rings have the same color scheme.

 

[Xaltis]

Well you do bring up a lot of good points.

Thank you.

 

[Spazzy_D]

That is an assumption based on an assumption. You can always have your opinion, but that isn't necessarily evidence that pertains to the situation at hand.

This entire thread is based on assumptions. By the way, I am #TeamProbablyaPunchOutStage, but the most damning peice of evidence for it not being a Punch-Out stage is the lack of WVBA logos on the ring posts.

 

[Chiroz]

This entire thread is based on assumptions. By the way, I am #TeamProbablyaPunchOutStage, but the most damning peice of evidence for it not being a Punch-Out stage is the lack of WVBA logos on the ring posts.

Actually, disregard this post

 

[Kirks21]

Well Mac was leaked back during E3...
So we are on topic.

I don't remember this leak, can you guys link me to it? Thank you ^-^

 

[Substitution]

So, leaks! How 'bout 'em?

 

[Louie G.]

I don't remember this leak, can you guys link me to it? Thank you ^-^

It's the leaky 3: Little Mac, Mii, and Pac-Man.
Surely you've heard of that one?