SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Substitution]

This whole situation is VERY interesting. Oooh. I thought CZ couldn't really get a substantial leak for SSB4. What changed?

Nothing yet. He hasn't spoken, yet...

 

[Kenith]

Or unless Sakurai states there will only be 3 third parties and Pac-ster is the 3rd one.

 

[Morbi]

What do you have against those characters?
It's kinda pissing me off. Ever since that one time when you were happy that there were no villains.

I don't have anything against those characters, but I do not find them highly likely, I certainly don't find them to be "shoe-in" either. As a self-proclaimed hipster, it is my moral obligation to dismiss those characters. In all seriousness, I don't hate them, I just don't really want them. I don't want Ridley for a plethora of reasons, mostly pertaining to his execution and what it means to the roster in its entirety. King K. Rool is just to prove a point, it feels so wrong, as he is actually one of my favorite Nintendo characters of all time. It just annoys me when people assert that he is "shoe-in" thus I openly oppose him.

That being said, I really love those characters. I just don't need them in Smash. It seems so surreal.

 

[Wario Bros.]

For this ChaosZero guy, I don't see the point of giving him attention if he hasn't posted anything yet. And I doubt he'll be the next NyaseNya.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

This ChaosZero leaked the legit Brawl roster? I am interested. I am not entirely sure why they would dismiss the roster for having Wolf instead of Krystal. Was he not the intended character for Melee?

He first leaked some pretty precise information regarding the Dragoon item, which surprised many people once it was officially confirmed. Eventually he leaked the whole roster. People didn't know about Wolf being intended for Melee back then either, that information only surfaced sometime in 2012 from some guy finding an old Nintendo Power issue from 2002 or something.

Anyways, iirc ChaosZero was rumored to be in contact with a tester back in the days, but I'm not too sure if it was true.

 

[Substitution]

For this ChaosZero guy, I don't see the point of giving him attention if he hasn't posted anything yet. And I doubt he'll be the next NyaseNya.

This.

 

[BKupa666]

We're not getting any new information regarding this game from him. That's not what the current conversation is about. It's about whether the information that allegedly came from him earlier is legitimate or not.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Nothing against them but Ridley's fate and K. Rool's fate is already driving me nuts. I hope Sakurai gets and reveals their role already.

 

[Substitution]

We're not getting any new information regarding this game from him. That's not what the current conversation is about. It's about whether the information that allegedly came from him earlier is legitimate or not.

Ah, well. Was it?

 

[Louie G.]

Nothing against them but Ridley's fate and K. Rool's fate is already driving me nuts. I hope Sakurai gets and reveals their role already.

But remember?
"How would you feel if there were no villain newcomers?"
Blue: "Yay"

 

[Substitution]

But remember?
"How would you feel if there were no villain newcomers?"
Blue: "Yay"

Role =/= character.

 

[Kenith]

Here's what makes sense to me:
Little Mac: Showcases the speed of Smash 4 and the Wii U in general
Mewtwo: Hypehypehype
K. Rool: Pulls in old Nintendo fans that have "grown out" of it. I suppose Little Mac works for this as well, although Mac fans are generally still interested in Nintendo.
Ridley: He's a freaking giant purple dragon. If you don't want to play as him you're ridiculous.

Palutena: For the people who played KI:Uprising, which is many
Chrom: Hype from Awakening fan base

Ghirahim: Um...

 

[Bowserlick]

If by "have an effect," you mean a "very miniscule amount" then yes. Lucario's effect is just as bad as the other 39 characters that were created in the game, it's really picky and narrow-minded to blame him (or any other single character for that matter) for Mewtwo's removal. It comes down to a time constraints issue, Character A was being worked on, but due to resources being relegated to other characters, stages, items, stickers, SSE and other things he didn't make it. There's so much more complexity to the issue then just simply focusing on one aspect of one aspect.

Which again means that you are saying I was right.

There was a priority system of characters and Lucario existing affected the priority list.

*By the way, I think the Falco screenshot could be real. Not sure if it was disproved or not, but very little changes happened between Fox from Brawl to the Fourth installment.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Miis are pretty damn likely. I don't like it, you don't like it, but it's certainly not a logical reason to discard any rumors. Remember, the real deal ChaosZero leak from pre-Brawl was panned for having Wolf instead of Krystal, and R.O.B was seemingly impossible, plus cutting Mewtwo wasn't an option. Voila.

Unless it's a character that's really out there, like Funky Kong or Anthony Higgs, then it's no reason to discard a rumor.

Agreed with everything.

He first leaked some pretty precise information regarding the Dragoon item, which surprised many people once it was officially confirmed. Eventually he leaked the whole roster. People didn't know about Wolf being intended for Melee back then either, that information only surfaced sometime in 2012 from some guy finding an old Nintendo Power issue from 2002 or something.

Anyways, iirc ChaosZero was rumored to be in contact with a tester back in the days, but I'm not too sure if it was true.

Do you have a link to a scanned copy of that issue?

 

[Aurora Jenny]

We're not getting any new information regarding this game from him. That's not what the current conversation is about. It's about whether the information that allegedly came from him earlier is legitimate or not.

Exactly. The guy doesn't sound like he's much in the sharing mood to begin with. I'll be happy just having another leak debunked. Though I'm curious why he didn't just say "No, he hadn't shared information and then asked for the leak to see just what had been said."

 

[Kenith]

Which again means that you are saying I was right.

There was a priority system of characters and Lucario existing affected the priority list.

*By the way, I think the Falco screenshot could be real. Not sure if it was disproved or not, but very little changes happened between Fox from Brawl to the Fourth installment.

Did I miss something?

 

[Louie G.]

Palutena: For the people who played KI:Uprising, which is many
Chrom: Hype from Awakening fan base

Ghirahim: Um...

Palutena's reveal is around the corner, I'm sure.
Chrom is more direct worthy imo.

 

[Hinata]

Palutena's reveal is around the corner, I'm sure.

Her reveal has to be sometime soon. It only makes sense.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

We're not getting any new information regarding this game from him. That's not what the current conversation is about. It's about whether the information that allegedly came from him earlier is legitimate or not.

I'm not even sure if he'd even know anything beyond what we all know. There's a decent chance his source might be obsolete for this game, either having moved on or isn't on duty for this game because of a new development team or not being assigned to the project at all.

It's just best to know whether he has spilled any beans already, and then end it there.

Exactly. The guy doesn't sound like he's much in the sharing mood to begin with. I'll be happy just having another leak debunked. Though I'm curious why he didn't just say "No, he hadn't shared information and then asked for the leak to see just what had been said."

Probably because the leak didn't involve him directly, but rather a guy who claimed to have talked with who we suppose is ChaosZero. I'm sure that if he knows anything he has likely told interested relatives he trusts, that's quite common.

 

[Kenith]

Palutena's reveal is around the corner, I'm sure.
Chrom is more direct worthy imo.

Do you support Chrom? I like him, but I don't know if everyone would be happy with his inclusion...

 

[Morbi]

But remember?
"How would you feel if there were no villain newcomers?"
Blue: "Yay"

The only problem I have with everyone wanting new villain characters... is that they don't really. They want K. Rool and Ridley. They don't actually want villain characters. Where is Meowth? The most prominent, prevalent, and iconic Pokemon villain that is the spiritual rival of Pikachu (inverted Pokedex numbers alluding to cat and mouse). Where is Black Shadow/Samurai Goroh? F-Zero is one of the most respected and well regarded series (pertaining to Smash, not Nintendo, Smash). No one wants them. King Hippo? No, Mac is enough. Hades or Medusa? NO PALUTENA IS ENOUGH.

I am a huge supporter of VILLAIN characters, not K. Rool and Ridley. VILLAIN characters. This includes K. Rool and Ridley, of course. It is just annoying to see people asserting that K. Rool or Ridley are the only valuable Nintendo villains when there is a plethora of great choices that are somehow not important enough. It doesn't even matter, they don't need to be important or well-requested... they are not even desired.

 

[Louie G.]

Do you support Chrom? I like him, but I don't know if everyone would be happy with his inclusion...

I support him more than I do Roy.
So yes.
Although Lyn and Anna would be cooler.

 

[Arcanir]

This. His intent is going to be significantly different this time, it isn't entirely safe to assume that he has the same privilege as before. Obviously these are two related situations, but that doesn't mean that we should just take his word for it. That being said, I am not going to blatantly dismiss the leak, even if there is something overtly off about it. I will ensure that I give it extra thorough attention.

Pretty much, he was right at Brawl but it's still not the same situation as it was back then. The source he had may not be present at Nintendo anymore, we don't know if he's still in contact with said source and above all we don't know if he even wants to bother with associating with the fanbase considering the crap they gave him. I wouldn't dismiss what he says completely, but until something concrete comes along it's not too much more credible.

Which again means that you are saying I was right.

There was a priority system of characters and Lucario existing affected the priority list.

*By the way, I think the Falco screenshot could be real. Not sure if it was disproved or not, but very little changes happened between Fox from Brawl to the Fourth installment.

And by saying that, I'm right as well, you're trying to force it more on Lucario then the situation as a whole. Said priority list would've been the same minus Lucario, Mewtwo would still be towards the bottom like he was and may've not made it in regardless considering the relegation of resources. It's not one feature, it's a multiple set that kept him out. My problem with your logic is you're trying to focus too much on one little aspect and blow it completely out of proportion, there has to be a consideration for the other things that prevented his inclusion.

Also, the Falco leak has been disproven.

 

[Snagrio]

Wait, what's going on about ChaosZero? I'm completely confused.

 

[Substitution]

Welp, while we're waiting.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/68496696
MODS! WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING?

 

[Kenith]

I am a huge supporter of VILLAIN characters, not K. Rool and Ridley. VILLAIN characters. This includes K. Rool and Ridley, of course. It is just annoying to see people asserting that K. Rool or Ridley are the only valuable Nintendo villains when there is a plethora of great choices that are somehow not important enough. It doesn't even matter, they don't need to be important or well-requested... they are not even desired.

Oh, really, you're too kind.

 

[BKupa666]

The only problem I have with everyone wanting new villain characters... is that they don't really. They want K. Rool and Ridley. They don't actually want villain characters. Where is Meowth? The most prominent, prevalent, and iconic Pokemon villain that is the spiritual rival of Pikachu (inverted Pokedex numbers alluding to cat and mouse). Where is Black Shadow/Samurai Goroh? F-Zero is one of the most respected and well regarded series (pertaining to Smash, not Nintendo, Smash). No one wants them. King Hippo? No, Mac is enough. Hades or Medusa? NO PALUTENA IS ENOUGH.

I am a huge supporter of VILLAIN characters, not K. Rool and Ridley. VILLAIN characters. This includes K. Rool and Ridley, of course. It is just annoying to see people asserting that K. Rool or Ridley are the only valuable Nintendo villains when there is a plethora of great choices that are somehow not important enough. It doesn't even matter, they don't need to be important or well-requested... they are not even desired.

Each and every one of those villains would get support if anyone were convinced they had a chance. If people aren't convinced they're making an investment in a character that's likely to pay off, they oftentimes won't bother. Unless they're the cretins from the Roster Discussion thread making threads for football mascots and whatnot.

I think a full villain roster would be infinitely more interesting than anything else could ever hope to be.

 

[Morbi]

Oh, really, you're too kind.

I was going to include Ghirahim in my rant, but I didn't want any of my credibility attenuated.

Seriously though, nobody even wants another Legend of Zelda villain, it is all about clone characters, Tingle, or bust. Ghirahim and Vaati are great choices that are often over-looked.

 

[Kenith]

Each and every one of those villains would get support if anyone were convinced they had a chance. If people aren't convinced they're making an investment in a character that's likely to pay off, they oftentimes won't bother. Unless they're the cretins from the Roster Discussion thread making threads for football mascots and whatnot.

I think a full villain roster would be infinitely more interesting than anything else could ever hope to be.

Hey, only Wesker is allowed to say cretin.

Also, this pretty much summarizes every not-universally accepted character.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

So.. this conversation going on with ChaosZero... how do we know that this is indeed THE ChaosZero and not just some guy pretending to be or know him?

 

[Substitution]

So.. this conversation going on with ChaosZero... how do we know that this is indeed THE ChaosZero and not just some guy pretending to be or know him?

We don't.

 

[Hinata]

Welp, while we're waiting.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/68496696
MODS! WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING?

Whoaaaaaaa. You're blowin' my mind with these, man.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

All right then, Mr Villain supporter, rattle off all the viable bosses of franchises that don't have their antagonists, yet. K.Rool and Ridley, yes. Go for ones that have potential movesets that set them apart. Bonus points if you can mention if they've been seen frequently in leaks.

 

[lightdasher]

Again, that is not a feasible reason to dismiss a leak, but if that is your criteria; who is to say that it is fallacious. I am hesitant if a leak asserts that Shulk is playable.

Well, Ridley has already been implied that he's a stage hazard, and Miis aren't a character nor would they work in smash, and I frankly don't see Sakurai deciding to put in Miis over another character, remember character slots are limited.

 

[Kenith]

I was going to include Ghirahim in my rant, but I didn't want any of my credibility attenuated.

Seriously though, nobody even wants another Legend of Zelda villain, it is all about clone characters, Tingle, or bust. Ghirahim and Vaati are great choices that are often over-looked.

It's the thought that counts.

I seriously wonder how many people support Tingle ironically, like Reggie. People like him, but I'm certain he's not warmly welcomed anywhere.

I personally find the idea of Ghirahim appealing because he contrasts with both Link, and Ganondorf. Both in design and fighting style.

Also, disconfirmed Falco leak?

 

[Starcutter]

All right then, Mr Villain supporter, rattle off all the viable bosses of franchises that don't have their antagonists, yet. K.Rool and Ridley, yes. Go for ones that have potential movesets that set them apart. Bonus points if you can mention if they've been seen frequently in leaks.

*coughKamekcough*

 

[Aurora Jenny]

*coughKamekcough*

Yoshi's Island. Okay, I'll give you that one.

 

[Arcanir]

Well, Ridley has already been implied that he's a stage hazard, and Miis aren't a character nor would they work in smash, and I frankly don't see Sakurai deciding to put in Miis over another character, remember character slots are limited.

Implied is not the same thing as confirmed though, he could just as easily be in any other role. As for the Miis, that goes for Villager as well as they're supposed to be your avatars in the game. Miis are also an important part of Nintendo, you and me may not like that but that is something that would work in their favor.

All right then, Mr Villain supporter, rattle off all the viable bosses of franchises that don't have their antagonists, yet. K.Rool and Ridley, yes. Go for ones that have potential movesets that set them apart. Bonus points if you can mention if they've been seen frequently in leaks.

Black Shadow comes to mind.

 

[Morbi]

Well, Ridley has already been implied that he's a stage hazard, and Miis aren't a character nor would they work in smash, and I frankly don't see Sakurai deciding to put in Miis over another character, remember character slots are limited.

The implication could be alluding to his status as a playable character though, nothing in the statement is definitive. I mean, Ridley could be an assist trophy if we are just looking at the context of the statement.

The second notion is a subjective opinion. I am not insinuating that I want Miis, but I am entirely prepared to compromise and deal with them, it is important to see the positive where there is mostly negative.

Yes, I remember; if my predictions are correct, we only have about 6-8 more newcomers.

 

[BKupa666]

Oh, as an addition to my commentary on villain support, you're gonna have to tear the majority of the community away from the fallacious "reps" and "relevance" "arguments" before you'll see support for guys like Kamek or Black Shadow. Hell, even K. Rool isn't fully immune to that type of garbage despite being mostly accepted.