Squeezing it all in: 40 characters is less than it seems.

[thedudley]

sorry about that, i just felt that it needed to be said, cause as far as i read, nobody even mentioned it. especially the translated part. any ways, i love your previous quote:

Okay, look. I was gonna keep quiet, but I guess I'll have to throw my ginormous ego and weight into the ring too....

the whole thing is almost exactly what i've been thinking for a while. i tried to bring sales into the picture, you know looking at sales for games and such, to determine which would most likely get the nod. currently the better selling games have more characters than the worse selling games, and like you said metroid was revived on the cube, and all this didn't happen until after melee was in the final stages which explains zamus and in all honesty ridley.

anyhoo, looking at the better selling(read popular) games, will allow you to see just what games will make it in and which won't. all love over here, love the post just disagree about zamus details.

 

[Super_Cool]

That's 38 Total. I could see Diddy put in as a clone of DK (think young link), and maybe one more FE character bringing it up to 40.

Diddy Kong can't be a clone of DK because they have different body types. Diddy has no upper body strength and has a tail to attack. DK has a lot of upper body strength and has no tail to attack with.

Link and Young Link are the same, only one is shorter than the other.

Diddy shall be in.

 

[Eaode]

Diddy Kong can't be a clone of DK because they have different body types. Diddy has no upper body strength and has a tail to attack. DK has a lot of upper body strength and has no tail to attack with.

Link and Young Link are the same, only one is shorter than the other.

Diddy shall be in.

Young link and link have different body types. Young link is a KID, he has alot less strength than link, so I really don't see your point.


Wait, Diddy Kong has a TAIL?!! o.0;;

That changes some things. I thought he was just another gorilla only younger. Nvm then, I'll add Diddy to my list.

 

[dotdotdot!]

It's not like Sakurai is going around to different companies and saying LOL I WANT YOUR CHARACTER IN MY GAME. He's not. Nintendo would not ****ing allow that. It's not good business!

WHY WOULD YOU ADVERTISE FOR THE OPPOSITION?! WHY WOULD YOU INCLUDE CLOUD WHEN THE SON***** HAS ONLY APPEARED IN ONE VERY VERY CRAPPY GBA GAME?! AND HIS MOST FAMOUS TITLES ARE ON THE RIVAL CONSOLE?!

Um, actually, if they did it right, that would be an extremely sound business practice.

Say Ninty decides to include one character from a few their very favorite companies, Konami, Capcom, Namco, etc. just for instance. Those characters got to choose what character they wanted included as long as he or she appeared on a Nintendo console.

This would advertise the character, company and series of the character to gamers who might not have played the game otherwise, and also serves Nintendo by luring in fans of the character that they included.

Don't you think people who play Metal Gear Solid, and are KARAAAZY for Metal Gear games will be intreagued by Snakes inclusion in Smash? Then maybe, along with the PS3 and MGS3, they'll get the Wii and Smash Bros. out of curiosity, then get hooked and interested in other things Nintendo.

And Snake isn't even the best character to do that with, since he's clearly more identifiable with the rival company. Doing something like this for a character like Pac-Man (Who still releases games for GCN and DS), Sonic (who has gone completely multi-platform), or Megaman (Who still releases games for GBA, DS, and GC, though he does release more games for other Platforms).

You're right, Cloud is a stupid choice, but nobody who matters seriousely wants Cloud, or has the delusion to still hope for Cloud. But for other characters? I could expect Nintendo to court for some new characters.

 

[Super_Cool]

That changes some things. I thought he was just another gorilla only younger. Nvm then, I'll add Diddy to my list.

Donkey Kong - gorilla
Diddy Kong - monkey
Dixie Kong - chimp

 

[SSJ4Kazuki]

Dixie isn't a chimpanzee.
She's a Monkey like Diddy.

 

[Super_Cool]

Dixie isn't a chimpanzee.
She's a Monkey like Diddy.

If she was a monkey, she'd have a tail, which she doesn't.

 

[JPW]

because Dr. Mario is a clone with some minor changes and not an entirely new character, that analogy doesn't work. Zamus is probably going to be similar to sheik with the whip and speed at the very least. the gun replacing the needles wouldn't be a stretch. when they added Dr. MArio, they didn't say, this isn't a new character addition, rather, under certain conditions, mario will were a doctors outfit and throw pills. he's just some weird alternate reality mario who managed to move from plumber to doctor with very little training.

i believe it was 5 years after super mario bros was released. boy he went through med school quick.

How do you know he wasn't studying Medicine, whilst he was taking on Koopas and all. Also i'm not too good with history, but I always thought Donkey Kong came before Super Mario Bros. By the way i'm talking about the Donkey Kong, where you had to save the princess, and DK would throw barrels down. Maybe Mario was studying then too, he was just on holiday with these other games.

 

[Kalaquinn]

40 does seem an awful low number, for how many rumors swirl around here, not to mention the huge pool of characters to choose from. Maybe Sakurai meant 40 original characters and after that clones? Otherwise, it seems likely to me that 6 Melee characters will be axed for a nice round 20 returning and 20 new. Whatever our wishes, all of us will have to face it that our character may get the axe. Get over it.

Who do I think might get axed? In no particular order: M2, Pichu, Doc, Marth, Roy, Falco, Young Stink, Shiek, Dorf, G&W, Yosh, Jiggles, Ness. Get over it.

I also think that a few characters will follow the Roy paradigm: Ninty will want them in for advertisement. That's why I think Sothe (Wii Fire Emblem) is a good choice. We'll probably only see a few retro characters, like say 3, unless Ninty wants to do the retro-hip thing and re-establish the franchise as with Pit. Ninty's only going to give Sakurai so much leeway; although, since Melee was such a phenomenal success, he'll probably be on a much longer leash; hence his own studio. All the rest of the retro will be trophies or something like it.

I don't see the Golden Sun thing, the Geno thing or all these other rpg characters happening. Rpgs are still a niche genre. If it's going to be an rpg character, I'd say it's Fire Emblem. The Pokemon thing has lost a lot of steam, so I don't see anymore than 3 characters for it. All the others will be in Pokeballs. No more than 3 characters from Star Fox and Fire Emblem.

I also see several odd characters being picked. Sakurai seems to have a thing for the oddball. Think Jiggles, Falcon and Ness in the first Smash. Then G&W, Climbers, Y. Link and Doc from Melee. Now Snake...? We all unlocked them are were like WTF? Why are they in Smash?

The other thing to keep in mind is the goofy style that Sakurai seems to be adopting in Smash. You need to ask, what sort of personality will that character have? Will it be funny and over-the-top?

 

[icymatt]

Sakurai has never stated how many characters could be in the game, just that "No matter how many people work on this, we can't get everybody in". 40 is just the general amount that is agreed upon by fans. I'd say between 35 and 40 is the most likely number, with somewhere between 40 and 45 being the absolute maximum if the team is powered by Miracle Juice from another dimension. I don't think they will add clones this time, because from reports it sounds like they weren't all that happy with having to include them last time.

I doubt they will cut any original characters(as in, any with their own moveset), because it's obvious that those were the ones they wanted to include in the game.

I also don't think they're restricted in their character choices, so they will choose anybody, new or old, popular or obscure, if that character tickles their fancy. It's also probable that Nintendo will not try to interfere much with the creators of this game, because they know that this is probably their biggest title and they want to keep them happy so they will make it the best it can be and it will push lots of Wiis when it comes out.

 

[DokturSea]

Mario Franchise:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Bowser Jr.
Toad


Zelda Franchise:
Link
Zelda
Gannondorf
Skull Kid

Pokemon Franchise:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Lucario
Munchlax

Donkey Kong Franchise:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong

Kirby Franchise:
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Metroid Franchise:
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Ridley

F-Zero Franchise:
Capt. Falcon

Fire Emblem Franchise:
Marth
Ike
Some weapon fighter who uses something other than a sword.

Star Fox Franchise:
Fox
Falco
Krystal

Earthbound/Mother Franchise:
Ness

WarioWare
Wario
Kat & Ana

Stand Alone:
Ice Climbers
Pit
Laughing/Duck Hunt Dog

3rd Party:
Snake
Sonic
Geno

My dream roster.

 

[xianfeng]

Who do I think might get axed? In no particular order: M2, Pichu, Doc, Marth, Roy, Falco, Young Stink, Shiek, Dorf, G&W, Yosh, Jiggles, Ness. Get over it.

Mewtwo won't go he's a poke villain, Marth won't go he's the FE poster boy, Falco won't go he's the 2nd most important Starfox character, Ganondorf won't go because you would have to be stupid to think he will, Yoshi, Ness and Jigglypuff will stay because they were in the original.

I also think that a few characters will follow the Roy paradigm: Ninty will want them in for advertisement. That's why I think Sothe (Wii Fire Emblem) is a good choice.

M-09 would be better

We'll probably only see a few retro characters, like say 3, unless Ninty wants to do the retro-hip thing and re-establish the franchise as with Pit. Ninty's only going to give Sakurai so much leeway; although, since Melee was such a phenomenal success, he'll probably be on a much longer leash; hence his own studio. All the rest of the retro will be trophies or something like it.

Sakurai has complete control over the game and he is a retro nut there will be more than 3 retro characters.

I don't see the Golden Sun thing, the Geno thing or all these other rpg characters happening. Rpgs are still a niche genre. If it's going to be an rpg character, I'd say it's Fire Emblem. The Pokemon thing has lost a lot of steam, so I don't see anymore than 3 characters for it. All the others will be in Pokeballs. No more than 3 characters from Star Fox and Fire Emblem.

Golden Sun's 3rd party now so I don't see it happening, Geno is largely requested by fans and Sakurai has taken a shine to him. Pokemon is still huge in Japan and is one of nintendo's flagship titles there will be way more than 3 pokemon. Starfox is becoming a flagship title so I expect 4 characters, FE will proberly have around 4 or 5 aswell

I also see several odd characters being picked. Sakurai seems to have a thing for the oddball. Think Jiggles, Falcon and Ness in the first Smash. Then G&W, Climbers, Y. Link and Doc from Melee. Now Snake...? We all unlocked them are were like WTF? Why are they in Smash?

Really I unlocked them and said cool.

The other thing to keep in mind is the goofy style that Sakurai seems to be adopting in Smash. You need to ask, what sort of personality will that character have? Will it be funny and over-the-top?

Yeah TP Link, Zamus and Snake are so goofy and whacky it looks like the came straight from Loony Tunes!

 

[Eaode]

Lol @ Duck hunt dog. Anyone who actually thinks he has a chance must be smoking something. All he does is laugh and pick up a duck.

This is his moveset

Taunt: laugh
Picks up items.

And Kalaquinn should actually think about his choices rather than axing the characters he doesn't like.

 

[xianfeng]

Mario Franchise:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi - moved
Bowser Jr. - bye bye
Toad


Zelda Franchise:
Link
Zelda
Gannondorf
Skull Kid

Pokemon Franchise:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Lucario
Munchlax - bam gone
Meowth - someone recognisable, iconic etc.

Donkey Kong Franchise:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
K.Rool - DK is a huge franchise 3 characters is reasonable

Kirby Franchise:
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Metroid Franchise:
Samus / Zamus - fixed
Ridley

F-Zero Franchise:
Capt. Falcon
Samurai Goroh - main fzero villain

Fire Emblem Franchise:
Marth
Ike
Hector - I think he uses an axe

Star Fox Franchise:
Fox
Falco
Krystal
Wolf - starfox villain like hello

Earthbound/Mother Franchise:
Ness
Lucas - More rep for Mother

WarioWare
Wario
Kat & Ana - not yet

Stand Alone:
Ice Climbers
Pit
Laughing/Duck Hunt Dog - bam
Yoshi - real spot

3rd Party:
Snake
Sonic
Geno

That's better 40 characters in all

 

[DokturSea]

No, you're wrong xianfeng. Sorry. =)

 

[Eaode]

i partly agree with xianfeng. No duck hunt dog, no warioware characters that no one's heard of, and no munchlax (eat, rest, scratch, eat, rest, rest, eat, eat)

 

[xianfeng]

No, you're wrong xianfeng. Sorry. =)

how so Bowser Jr would be pointless, Yoshi was in the wrong spot, Munchlax isn't a suited fighter and Meowth IS iconic. DK is a huge franchise and Krool is the main villain, Zamus won't be her own character and Samurai Goroh is the main fzero villain. I think Hector uses an axe I'm not sure, Mother does need more representation and Lucas is the main character of Mother 3, Wario ware has just been introduced no need for more representation of a relativly small franchises straight away and Duck Hunt Dog is a DOG, he is from an old game on the NES and is well a DOG.

 

[DokturSea]

No, you're wrong because that was MY dream roster and you took some people out of MY PERSONAL dream roster. So it's wrong.

 

[xianfeng]

I made it more realistic

 

[DokturSea]

No, you didn't. You made it to fit YOUR opinion. Now unless your real name is Sakurai, you can't make a "realistic" roster. ANY character is open game.

 

[FlipTroopa]

There are two more frigging generations of Pokemon to deal with, and they're gonna go back and pick Meowth? I have nothing against the cat, but there are waaaay better, newer, Pokemon to pick. SUCH AS Lucario, who seems to be the popular consensus anyways.

Look... what we need to do is band together all our brainpower (and total one brain, I guess ), and look at both the Melee and Brawl polls. A few of us worked together to get the Brawl polls tallied and translated, and GenG did the fabulous service of linking the Melee polls from '99.

THAT is where the roster lies. Unless Sakurai pulls something like Jill from Drill Dozer on us, these polls will tell us our roster. Easily.

 

[Zombie Cola]

No, you didn't. You made it to fit YOUR opinion. Now unless your real name is Sakurai, you can't make a "realistic" roster. ANY character is open game.

No any chracter is NOT open, use your brain, we don't have a final character roster, but we can conclude some things, such as the fact that the duck hunt dog is almost as bad a character choice as firggin' tom nook, COME ON! Use your head, that is the WORST character idea since wesker. His main role was to go "ROUGH ROUGH" and occasionally giggle. I have to side with xianfeng on this one.

BTW, meowth would be a great Pokemon choice, he was a huge mascot and is incredibly well known.

 

[Promethus]

The only thing the duck hunt dog would do to be in Brawl is be a easter egg as one of the dogs that appear in front of the screen as of the Nintendog item.

 

[Super_Cool]

There are two more frigging generations of Pokemon to deal with, and they're gonna go back and pick Meowth? I have nothing against the cat, but there are waaaay better, newer, Pokemon to pick. SUCH AS Lucario, who seems to be the popular consensus anyways.

Meowth is the only pokemon from the first generation that should get in. He's the second most popular pokemon in the U.S. He also represents Team Rocket, the original bad guys of the poke universe. Plus, he freakin' has a guitar!

Sadly, the second generation didn't give us any iconic pokemon that would be good fighters. I don't support second generation pokemon in Brawl. (Heracross and Scizor are definitely cool, but aren't popular enough.)

Third generation gave us Blaziken and Deoxys. Put one of them in.

Fourth generation can either give us Munchlax (if Sakurai wants another cute pokemon) or Lucario (the bad *** pokemon)

 

[Zombie Cola]

Meowth is the only pokemon from the first generation that should get in. He's the second most popular pokemon in the U.S. He also represents Team Rocket, the original bad guys of the poke universe. Plus, he freakin' has a guitar!

Sadly, the second generation didn't give us any iconic pokemon that would be good fighters. I don't support second generation pokemon in Brawl. (Heracross and Scizor are definitely cool, but aren't popular enough.)

Third generation gave us Blaziken and Deoxys. Put one of them in.

Fourth generation can either give us Munchlax (if Sakurai wants another cute pokemon) or Lucario (the bad *** pokemon)

If any and all pokemon were put in, i agree totally.

 

[SupaSmashBrotha]

Young link and link have different body types. Young link is a KID, he has alot less strength than link, so I really don't see your point.

Link

Young Link
Other than size nothing seems to have changed, also he's talking about visual characteristics not strength or stamina.

 

[MookieRah]

Just a random thing. Why do a lot of people axe Mewtwo in their list? If you are talking about characters with fanbases, then outside of Pika, Mewtwo is prolly the most known and popular. He is way more known than any of the other newer ones cause peepz that played red and blue and stopped still know who he is, and outside of the fact that Nintendo made a blunder when balancing him in Melee he still has a HUGE fanbase.

 

[Zodiak-Lucien]

actually I havent seen many lists that axe mewtwo. Mewtwo is too unique to leave and WILL be in melee I reassure you. Theres plenty of other characters that will leave before mewtwo.

 

[Iggy K]

Just a random thing. Why do a lot of people axe Mewtwo in their list? If you are talking about characters with fanbases, then outside of Pika, Mewtwo is prolly the most known and popular. He is way more known than any of the other newer ones cause peepz that played red and blue and stopped still know who he is, and outside of the fact that Nintendo made a blunder when balancing him in Melee he still has a HUGE fanbase.

Because people are idiots.

And Kalaquin, you're an idiot. Marth and Mewtwo won't be cut, Gdorf won't be cut, Ness and Jiggs definatley won't be cut, and saying Yoshi should be cut just prves you're an idiot.

 

[DokturSea]

No any chracter is NOT open, use your brain, we don't have a final character roster, but we can conclude some things, such as the fact that the duck hunt dog is almost as bad a character choice as firggin' tom nook, COME ON! Use your head, that is the WORST character idea since wesker. His main role was to go "ROUGH ROUGH" and occasionally giggle. I have to side with xianfeng on this one.

BTW, meowth would be a great Pokemon choice, he was a huge mascot and is incredibly well known.

Um, yeah. Every character is open. No matter what you say, Sakurai could pick any character he wanted for SSBB, including a dog who could, might I add, say "rough rough"1 way better than you ever could.

 

[xianfeng]

Um, yeah. Every character is open. No matter what you say, Sakurai could pick any character he wanted for SSBB, including a dog who could, might I add, say "rough rough"1 way better than you ever could.

He couldn't use any character he would have to get rights unless he wants a lawsuit

 

[JPW]

If they have Meowth, then it'll be an insult not to have Jesse and James, and Ash.
Oops what have I said. I don't care about Pokemon.

just throw in whoever you want for Pokemon, I still don't know all of them.
I'll just beat them up with my favourites, or go pikachu on their *****.

Just make sure you have some left for Pokeballs. Cause thy're one of my favourite items.

And another thing how many roster threads do we have?

 

[Super_Cool]

If they have Meowth, then it'll be an insult not to have Jesse and James, and Ash.

No, it wouldn't be an insult, since Jessie, James, and Ash only exist in the Anime.

 

[thedudley]

why does everybody think game & watch is out. he was one of the most original characters i've seen. at the very least fix him so he's not quite so light...

 

[kaid]

Game&Watch is 2-dimentional. By rights, he should have no weight at all!

I do not think G&W shhould be dropped.

 

[thedudley]

yeah i guess you are right, but then why is a bird heavier than a fox. birds are lightweight by evolution to umm... whats it called, fly....

anyways, every list i see does NOT include g&w so i figure people don't want him...

 

[Eaode]

my list has G&W.....

 

[Zombie Cola]

I would rather them take G&W out and replace him with some other retro nintendo character, although G&W encompasses most of the Game and Watch games, excluding those with specific characters... so I don't know what would replace him.

 

[The Basement Dweller]

40 characters is enough for me because if they add to many the gameplay might suffer and I think they should worry about the gameplay and then the character selection. The perfect example is Dynasty Warriors 5, they have a large slection and the frame rate suffers for it. I just don't want Brawl to suffer from these kinds of glitches.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Game&Watch is 2-dimentional. By rights, he should have no weight at all!

I do not think G&W shhould be dropped.

There sould be a spot open for G&W.
Is there a G&W Support for Brawl thread?