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Other options can happen, but it's best to look at the most likely scenario. At the ledge our Bair kills Luigi at like 110. His Bair kills us at like 120. Our dsmash at the ledge kills him at 115 and his comparable option is Usmash. Pkt2 kills him at like 40 and his Fjp kills us at like 60. Both characters have a plethora of kill options. It's best to just focus on what the most reliable and most frequent kill moves in the matchup. That's what is most likely to happen.
Noa.
I'll change it when I get home. This is difficult on mobile lol.Luigi Ness is definitely not even. Luigi's dthrow into nado with rage can KO at ludicrous percentages. It's REALLY bad.
Ness also can't wall out Luigi very well. Luigi has a lot of priority and speed on his aerials. In addition to this, Luigi just has better frame data and ways to set up his grab than Ness.
Fox Ness I think is still even. The jab chaining is gone, but he can still get jab jab usmash, even easier now than ever. He also controls the ground just as well as ever.
I wanna just rework my matchup tier list real quick.
-2
Sonic, Rosalina
-1
Luigi, Sheik
0
Fox, Yoshi
+1
Pikachu, ZSS, Falcon, Mario
There IS order within the tiers.
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Can you update my listings?
You seem to have a lot more -1s than most. How do you figure the pits, megaman, and metaknight?
Mains the boards are re-discussing the MU between the two,
Earthbound360
lets argue for a whole page about the Sonic MU for @
franniested
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Don't get me wrong I totally agree that right now it's a -2. But I've talked to Dabuz about this several times and I'm very confident (and he agrees) that as time goes on, Ness mains will stop getting scared and start heavily abusing their advantages against Rosa such as abusing her offstage. When that day comes, I will argue for a -1 like there's no tomorrow. She's light, floaty, tall, and when you prioritise getting rid of Luma when she's in disadvantage then suddenly her options are utter garbage against us.
-1 -2 -1 0 -1 or 0 +1 +2 +1 -1
Despite living in the same state as him I've never played against him. Just know that he loves using gyro. He will gyro all the time. Loves nair, and doing throw combos. He'll bait airdodges into Usmash.
+10+1-20 (maybe +1 imo I don't really have issues with Mario)+1+1-1 (I don't have as many issues with Sonic as everyone says Ness deos :/)-10+1 0
You think we beat Luigi? What are your reasons?These are just my opinions, but here they are:
NOTE: I don't really have the greatest ability to decide a matchup.
This is probably just due to me not playing a good Luigi, but I don't have too many problems with Luigi. I also despise/don't know much about him other than Dthrow combos, so is Luigi's only safe approach Fireballs? I know Luigi has a hard time approaching, therefore I tend to play more campy than usual. I don't go offstage a lot against Luigi, only for knocking him horizontally. But hey, that's just my opinion. Could be 50:50 but idk. I really have next to no time against Luigi :/
Okay I agree with most of what you've said, but -4 is just ridiculous. You have to pretend that 2 equally skilled players are using these characters, and rosalina isn't easy, but it is still very competitive. Ness has options to win.
-4 is essentially unwinnable. And I've seen both of them play, and they even put up a fight against Dabuzz. The percents are very close most of the match. They've shown the way to recover is to get as close to rosa as you can off edge, then her down b hits you slightly, and you get a free recovery. It's not ideal, but it's an option. Ness still has his nair to keep her off, and pk fire isn't even renders useless, as you now have 2 targets. Her moves have higher end lag that start up, so you have to be patient and wait for the punish. Up air and bthrow can also kill early. I'm not saying this is a good MU, but it's -2 at worst.
Luigi's move are just generally most safer and Fireball to grab is guaranteed.
vs MU. Dark pit outranges ness, has a reflector, can easily go offstage to gimp ness with his reflector. What are your thoughts?
Thought I might ask here since the ness MU is more active than the dark pit one.
I was playing against a good ness. At first I played pikachu. Ness destroys pikachu. I then picked mario. Close matches but ended up losing. I then picked bowser jr. At first I had the advantage but when you try to recover, ness will use his pk thunder to gimp you. I decided to pick dark pit. Not only did I won but I 2 stocked him. So what are your opinions on the
I think your 2 stock was more about that player not doing well against dark pit. The MU is pretty even in my opinion. I'd call it 50:50. Maybe even a bit in ness' favor.Thought I might ask here since the ness MU is more active than the dark pit one.
I was playing against a good ness. At first I played pikachu. Ness destroys pikachu. I then picked mario. Close matches but ended up losing. I then picked bowser jr. At first I had the advantage but when you try to recover, ness will use his pk thunder to gimp you. I decided to pick dark pit. Not only did I won but I 2 stocked him. So what are your opinions on the
