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[Yonder]

Give a round of applause for Mewsquared utterly wrecking M2K

https://smash.gg/tournament/super-bit-wars-4/brackets/11149/4031/16433

Don't dawn the M2 name if you don't use him (seriously that has always bothered me)

 

[meleebrawler]

Give a round of applause for Mewsquared utterly wrecking M2K

https://smash.gg/tournament/super-bit-wars-4/brackets/11149/4031/16433

Don't dawn the M2 name if you don't use him (seriously that has always bothered me)

It appears you have been 'd, good sir.

Speaking of Greninja, he just got himself a good 2nd place finish, defeating ESAM along the way.

Edit: Mewsquared destroys Mew2King again after being sent to losers by DKWill. I believe they call this... karma?

 

[Laken64]

Hello guys after watching this thread for a while, I'm proud to announce that I've finally got !
Though I can't play him this week because of school and tight assignments (ah high school) I'm wondering if I can do some M2 dittos with someone in order to learn the character (probably Friday I'll think of a time later).

 

[Smashifer]

Hello guys after watching this thread for a while, I'm proud to announce that I've finally got !
Though I can't play him this week because of school and tight assignments (ah high school) I'm wondering if I can do some M2 dittos with someone in order to learn the character (probably Friday I'll think of a time later).

Hello, and welcome to the Mewtwo Boards! I'm not one for introductions, but we appreciate your choice of picking up our very first Smash DLC fighter!

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

I kind of hope Mewtwo will get a Z Mega Evolution by accessing through a new signature move like how Rayquaza does it. It would have +10 in both defenses, +30 in speed, and +50 in special attack, and it would have Protean as the new ability. That way, it can be more OP than Mega Rayquaza.

 

[Igzex]

All you need to be worse than Rayquaza is to have contrary as an ability and Psycho Boost. Have fun.

 

[LRodC]

I'll probably be waiting for a few days for this guy to come up with his evidence.

Protip: Don't ever go on the GameFAQs Message Boards for Smash. It's a terrible community.

 

[Browny]

Don't, going on GFaqs forums is a waste of time. You are literally talking to the same sort of people who used to say that jigglypuff was terrible in melee because her downb doesnt even do anything.

 

[LRodC]

Don't, going on GFaqs forums is a waste of time. You are literally talking to the same sort of people who used to say that jigglypuff was terrible in melee because her downb doesnt even do anything.

I always use your hurtbox post for the uninformed. It's useful to try and quell stupid arguments like that.

 

[Aninymouse]

Wow, congrats to @MewSquared ! That's amazing, dude. M2K's Cloud is nothing to scoff at.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I kind of hope Mewtwo will get a Z Mega Evolution by accessing through a new signature move like how Rayquaza does it. It would have +10 in both defenses, +30 in speed, and +50 in special attack, and it would have Protean as the new ability. That way, it can be more OP than Mega Rayquaza.

Mold Breaker would probably be even more lethal with its ability to ignore abilities that would hinder its attacks. Not even a Shedinja would be safe from its wrath.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Mold Breaker would probably be even more lethal with its ability to ignore abilities that would hinder its attacks. Not even a Shedinja would be safe from its wrath.

But with Mewtwo's wide range of moves, Proteon would be devastating. Greninja has shown just how powerful of an ability it is - even with its mediocre special attack, Greninja easily became one of the riskiest pokemon to swap into just because it got effective STAB on all of its coverage moves.

I mean, as much as I love it, Shedinja's kind of an awful Pokemon, and it's not like Mewtwo needs to be hitting any Heatrans with Flamethrower or something.

 

[Aninymouse]

But with Mewtwo's wide range of moves, Proteon would be devastating. Greninja has shown just how powerful of an ability it is - even with its mediocre special attack, Greninja easily became one of the riskiest pokemon to swap into just because it got effective STAB on all of its coverage moves.

I mean, as much as I love it, Shedinja's kind of an awful Pokemon, and it's not like Mewtwo needs to be hitting any Heatrans with Flamethrower or something.

I still maintain that Smogon's ban of Greninja and Aegislash was bull****. I don't even play their metagame anyway, though, so whatever.

Protean is indeed a top-tier ability, but it alone cannot carry a Pokemon. You need not look any further than Kecleon.

Both Aegislash and Greninja were hated for how unpredictable they were. You could never fully prepare for all their possible sets, but each of their possible sets was very beatable. Was dealing with them a bit of a gamble? Absolutely. But to imply that their level of adaptability broke the game is just Johns, plain and simple.

I wouldn't have banned Mega Mawile, either. Was it as strong as get-out? You bet. But again, there are realistic ways to beat it. Would it have been top-tier OU? Sure, but I don't see an issue with that. Again, sounds more like Mega Mawile just forced them to use Pokemon they didn't like, so they got rid of it.

 

[LRodC]

I do agree with the Greninja ban since it had zero counters, but I don't think Aegislash and Mega Mawile should've went anywhere.

 

[Igzex]

Aegislash bent the metagame around it. Like, the Psychic type became the new ice type because of the oppressive environment caused by Aegislash and the Poke'mon that were used to check it. Aegislash is fine in the banned zone.

 

[Aninymouse]

Aegislash bent the metagame around it.

Literally every top OU Pokemon ever since Red and Blue.

Banning things like Mewtwo makes sense, because they are unfair. Banning things because they are prevalent? Now you're just warping the meta because you don't like what it looks like. That's no different than if the top Smogon players and staff decided they had a hate boner for Tyranitar and just decided to ban it. A better example would be to ban Talonflame "because it makes Flying-weak Pokemon unviable." No, not really. It makes it harder to use them, of course, but Talonflame is not exactly king of bulk, and its recoil is unkind to it. It's incredibly powerful, yes, but it has answers.

I'll never agree with their decision... I'll just stop. I never play Showdown anyway so I try not to get upset about it. I'll always be a staunch proponent of wifi battles.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

Mold Breaker would probably be even more lethal with its ability to ignore abilities that would hinder its attacks. Not even a Shedinja would be safe from its wrath.

There are plenty of moves that can counter Shedinja like Flamethrower and Shadow Ball. The only reason I would see Mewtwo needing Mold Breaker would be Pokemon with Sturdy, but hazards already take care of that.

 

[Igzex]

Literally every top OU Pokemon ever since Red and Blue.

Banning things like Mewtwo makes sense, because they are unfair. Banning things because they are prevalent? Now you're just warping the meta because you don't like what it looks like. That's no different than if the top Smogon players and staff decided they had a hate boner for Tyranitar and just decided to ban it. A better example would be to ban Talonflame "because it makes Flying-weak Pokemon unviable." No, not really. It makes it harder to use them, of course, but Talonflame is not exactly king of bulk, and its recoil is unkind to it. It's incredibly powerful, yes, but it has answers.

I'll never agree with their decision... I'll just stop. I never play Showdown anyway so I try not to get upset about it. I'll always be a staunch proponent of wifi battles.

I don't think you understand the difference between prevalent and over-centralizing. A Poke'mon that almost everyone and their mom used because of its godly typing and virtual 720 BST creating an environment where everyone had to pack checks dedicated to it that all resulted in an oppressive metagame for an entire type of Poke'mon is what's called over-centralizing. That is why Smogon bans things. Not because they don't like it being used so much. I don't even care about metagames fight me and my 6 Mewtwos bro. Still, I understand their house rules because it's a widely used rule set.

 

[Aninymouse]

I don't think you understand the difference between prevalent and over-centralizing. A Poke'mon that almost everyone and their mom used because of its godly typing and virtual 720 BST creating an environment where everyone had to pack checks dedicated to it that all resulted in an oppressive metagame for an entire type of Poke'mon is what's called over-centralizing. That is why Smogon bans things. Not because they don't like it being used so much. I don't even care about metagames fight me and my 6 Mewtwos bro. Still, I understand their house rules because it's a widely used rule set.

It's all a matter of perspective. 6vs6 singles is not, never will be, and should not be forced to be a balanced metagame. There was a time, in gens 2 & 3, where it was fairly balanced... but that time is over. Gen 4 marked the end of the effective "send out a counter" gameplay that Smogonites are still trying to hold onto to this day. Back in gen 4, we (mostly) all accepted it. Gen 5 came along and ****ed everything up. Lots of "old blood" quit the scene. Gen 6 reinvigorated interest in competitive Pokemon, but people are still trying to force the meta into an outdated mold.

What am I saying? Every other meta besides 6vs6 singles has a much tinier ban list in gen 6. 3vs3 singles, double, and triple battles all cope much better with the massive power creep of gen 6. Those metagames are somewhat balanced. Even with a ton of mega stones, Greninja, and Aegislash banned in 6vs6 singles, the game is not even close to being "balanced." No, it's just been forcibly toned down just enough to allow people to continue playing similarly to how they did in Pokemon Emerald, instead of playing the game like it's 2016.

I understand that my viewpoint is kind of radical, and I don't expect anyone's mind to be changed on this overnight. In the end, I have abandoned the old way of playing... and I use an actual copy of Pokemon to do it, which is more than can be said for most Smogonites.

They can have their meta and their simulator so long as they stay in their containment community.

 

[Igzex]

I don't think anyone said poke'mon is balanced. Especially not now lol. The banlist pretty much is to keep 1v1 from being a total trainwreck.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

At this point, it would be impossible to balance the Pokemon meta game. As much as I would like to use Pichu to wreck an Arceus or Mega Rayquaza, it won't happen. I stopped keeping track of tier lists, so I only know there's a new banlist consisting of Mega Rayquaza and Uber is its own tier now...

 

[Igzex]

I'm pretty sure eventually we'll get a smash game that brings back Pichu and the Rayquaza boss fight so we can actually see Pichu wreck Mega Rayquaza.

 

[LRodC]

Doubles/VGC has always been more balanced of a metagame. I prefer that over singles due to more viable options, different strategies, and more opportunities for counterplay. Entry hazards are also not really a force in Doubles, so that doesn't completely screw over Pokemon that are weak to it.

You can't just bring in a Mega Salamence and set up Dragon Dances with impunity because there are two Pokemon about to fight you.

I can only think of a few truly broken Pokemon in Doubles. Darkrai is probably one of them along with most natural ubers.

 

[Igzex]

Dark Void in doubles AKA How to be elected for jerk of the year

 

[LRodC]

If you think that's bad, try Dark Void in Triples. That might be just as over centralizing as Mega Rayquaza in singles.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

If you think that's bad, try Dark Void in Triples. That might be just as over centralizing as Mega Rayquaza in singles.

Does that make Mega Mewtwo Y more viable in triple battle ubers since he has insomnia?

 

[LRodC]

Does that make Mega Mewtwo Y more viable in triple battle ubers since he has insomnia?

Most likely, yeah. It already checks Darkrai by doing that in Singles and outspeeding it with an Aura Sphere/Focus Blast. Even Mega Mewtwo X's ability (Steadfast) is better in Doubles/Triples since Fake Out is more prevalent.

 

[Eight_SixtyFour]

I'll probably be waiting for a few days for this guy to come up with his evidence.

Protip: Don't ever go on the GameFAQs Message Boards for Smash. It's a terrible community.

Heh, not worth arguing there or reading any of the posts. I'm pretty sure this isn't even the worst post there.

 

[BarSoapSoup]

Give a round of applause for Mewsquared utterly wrecking M2K

https://smash.gg/tournament/super-bit-wars-4/brackets/11149/4031/16433

Don't dawn the M2 name if you don't use him (seriously that has always bothered me)

I'm pretty sure M2K used Mewtwo in Project M and once in a blue moon in Melee.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

But with Mewtwo's wide range of moves, Proteon would be devastating. Greninja has shown just how powerful of an ability it is - even with its mediocre special attack, Greninja easily became one of the riskiest pokemon to swap into just because it got effective STAB on all of its coverage moves.

I mean, as much as I love it, Shedinja's kind of an awful Pokemon, and it's not like Mewtwo needs to be hitting any Heatrans with Flamethrower or something.

I guess my main concern is that if anyone is bold enough to bring a Shedinja into a battle, Mewtwo would be completely helpless against it if it's lacking Flamethrower or Shadow Ball. Giving Mega Mewtwo Z Mold Breaker would help it bypass Wonder Guard completely, negating that flaw. And of course, you'd also bypass Sturdy, Filter, Solid Rock, and pretty much any ability that could hinder its attacks.

Of course, there is one problem. Even if it had a base 204 SP ATK, its SP ATK would still be weaker than that of a normal Mewtwo that's holding a Life Orb.

On a side note, Mega Rayquaza is banned, and yet it doesn't even need Protean to be a monster. But I guess that's also due to the fact that it doesn't need a mega stone to mega evolve; it only has to learn Dragon Ascent.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I still maintain that Smogon's ban of Greninja and Aegislash was bull****. I don't even play their metagame anyway, though, so whatever.

Then you're arguing about something you don't really know about. I could elaborate further on why those pokemon were banned, but I'm not going to.

Though I should mention that Aegislash was a very close vote. It almost wasn't banned. I believe it's still controversial at Smogon to this day.

Oh, and about Kecleon. You're right, the ability isn't the sole reason Greninja is considered broken. Unlike Kecleon, Greninja's stats aren't garbage. But there's little chance Greninja would even be OU without that ability, let alone uber.

 

[Aninymouse]

I played and debated over at Smogon for years. I was a member there since the RSE days. I'm allowed to voice an opinion about their policies.

Their rules are copied by other communities worldwide. The choices they make matter very much... too much. Just because I don't play on a simulator doesn't mean I wasn't doing competitive gen 6 wifi battles nearly everyday in 2013/14, with Pokemon X. I am not speaking from inexperience!

There are plenty of Pokemon that can check Aegislash, depending on the moveset, even in the XY metagame with fewer megas.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Battle strategies are much more limited in single battles, and that's a typical battle format for most competitive matches. Transitioning over to double battles or triple battles can potentially lead to bigger possibilities with your battle strategies.

During the times that I've done online battles in Pokemon Y, pretty much every battle that I did was a triple battle, since that lets me use all 6 of my Pokemon, and I can take better advantage of certain moves and weather conditions. For an example, I could have my Whimsicott use Worry Seed on my Regigigas, removing Slow Start, and enabling Regigigas to strike at full power right off the bat.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

I guess my main concern is that if anyone is bold enough to bring a Shedinja into a battle, Mewtwo would be completely helpless against it if it's lacking Flamethrower or Shadow Ball. Giving Mega Mewtwo Z Mold Breaker would help it bypass Wonder Guard completely, negating that flaw. And of course, you'd also bypass Sturdy, Filter, Solid Rock, and pretty much any ability that could hinder its attacks.

Of course, there is one problem. Even if it had a base 204 SP ATK, its SP ATK would still be weaker than that of a normal Mewtwo that's holding a Life Orb.

On a side note, Mega Rayquaza is banned, and yet it doesn't even need Protean to be a monster. But I guess that's also due to the fact that it doesn't need a mega stone to mega evolve; it only has to learn Dragon Ascent.

If for whatever reason you don't set up hazards like Stealth Rock or Poison Spikes in a single battle and they are bold enough to send out Shedinja on a Mewtwo without Flamethrower or Shadow Ball, there's always the option to switch Pokemon. In double or triple battles, there's no reason that none of your Pokemon have a move that can deal with Shedinja.

 

[Smashifer]

The only time a Shedinja would win in a fight against a Mewtwo is if it were in Super Mystery Dungeon.

For those of you who don't know, if you bring Shedinja to the Mewtwo boss battle, Mewtwo will only run away because it doesn't have anything to deal with Shedinja.

 

[BarSoapSoup]

Just a side note - did anybody give some of their favorite Pokemon silly names?

When I played competitive ubers, I called my Mewtwo 'Trisomy 18,' because I would usually have it Mega Evolve into Mewtwo Y which...well, if you know what Trisomy 18 is, then the joke is obvious.

 

[Murlough]

I always name my mons human names unless I hate it and it took me a billion balls to catch it.



Then it is something derogatory.....

Legendaries don't count obviously. I have a rough time naming them.

 

[HakuryuVision]

'Cept for legendaries, i always name the mons i use.
Don't really put any thought into the names though and always end up with weird ones.
My Cloyster's name is 'Zaigasu', my Hydreigon 'Shryke', my Galvantula 'Zappa', and so on.

 

[C3CC]

Well, I had no success in finding videos from the tournament I won I'm sorry guys. I'll make sure to ask someone to record it with my phone next time I go to one.

HOWEVER, I did record a nice, simple fight I just had on For Glory against a rather decent Captain Falcon. Feel free to make any suggestions on how I can improve my game I didn't fight very well on this video, though...

 

[Smashifer]

Well, I'm really bad at naming things and making up names, so I generally don't nickname my Pokemon. When I do, it's never original. I always pull from likeness to other games, for instance my Hydreigon is called "Hewdraw" because one of the bosses in Kid Icarus: Uprising is a 3-headed hydra, which just so happens to be what Hydreigon is. Hewdraw is also my favorite boss from Kid Icarus: Uprising and Hydreigon is my favorite Pokemon, so I thought it was good.

Other than that though, don't expect me to be naming much of anything.