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Yea, but at least your N-Air isn't a multi hit that lasts forever, lol. Also doesn't Greninja's U-Air hit Pikmins? I used to main Greninja pre Wii U and I don't remember ever fearing a Pikmin getting latched to be honest.
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Uair isn't lagless. I feel like Mewtwo will get better soon, besides, it took almosta friggin year for Zelda to go from **** to almost ****Yea, but at least your N-Air isn't a multi hit that lasts forever, lol. Also doesn't Greninja's U-Air hit Pikmins? I used to main Greninja pre Wii U and I don't remember ever fearing a Pikmin getting latched to be honest.
Yellow Pikmin are immune to Mewtwo's N-Air
Anyways, it's sad.
Yea with just 5 second test there's plenty of stuff you can do.
Chiroz
- All of this is true, I suppose, but I'd like to point out a few minor fallacies. Firstly, I don't use Smashes all the time. I was just citing them as examples of Lucas having unsafe moves, which was, apparently, not entirely true. My apologies. Secondly, although Lucas's D-Smash has more knockback than Mewtwo's, Lucas's D-Smash's horizontal knockback angle is inferior to Mewtwo's vertical knockback angle. It allows Mewtwo's D-Smash to KO earlier in most situations. Thirdly, in regards to your comment on windboxes, I suppose that's true. Technically, a windbox is any attack that moves opponents without inflicting any actual knockback. Knockback that operates separately from a character's damage is referred to as "set knockback." However, what you intend to say when you use the term "windbox" is perfectly clear, so I won't bother you about it. I'll have to start trying to use Mewtwo's U-Smash as a roll-in punish. That could be really helpful. Thanks for that tip, along with the rest. I'll try to remember them the next time I play!
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Also, in regards to the stuff about Pikmin, I've actually killed some with either Mewtwo's F-Smash or D-Smash. It's been awhile since I fought an Olimar player, so I can't remember which, but I'm pretty sure it was his F-Smash. Oh, and I think Shadow Ball works, too. I'll have to test all of this out when I get the chance, but I'm 90% sure what I'm saying is true. Please correct me if I'm wrong, however.
I still think they're a tad risky, but those ledge cancels were impressive, especially on Big Battlefield.
Which drains your shield and allows Olimar to position himself and/or go for a grab. I mean I am trying to learn the timing between attacks so I can just Power Shield them over and over, lol.
That was awesome! The ledge cancels were particularly impressive, and I loved the way the player used Mewtwo's N-Air to drag opponents down. I'll have to start doing that more often. The D-Air meteor smashes were impressive, as well. Combine that with the flashiness and humor in this video, and I found it quite enjoyable. Thanks for the posting this!
Yeah, that definitely works, but getting rid of them is much better. Pikmin devour shields in large numbers, and your options when shielding are very limited and telegraphed. It gives Olimar a chance to approach that you don't want him to have, especially since he has a ranged grab. Killing off Pikmin is a much better alternative, in my opinion.
I usually just try to play super-defensively. Basically, I either shield or reflect incoming Pikmin and throw Shadow Balls until I see an opening. Once I get that opening, I run in, punish Olimar as hard as I can, and then return to my previous shenanigans. It works most of the time, but it gets pretty tedious after awhile. Also, remember that you can reflect all of Olimar's Smash Attacks, which causes the relevant Pikmin to inflict surprisingly large damage and knockback on Olimar. I've actually gotten a few KO's using that method. It's particularly effective if, when you're trying to recover from being knocked off-stage, the Olimar player sits at the ledge and charges up an F-Smash.
You could always reflect such attacks back.
I think shields should be broken more easily- which would inspire more aggressive play.
Agreed. Shield breaking is incredibly rare. It feels like the incredible shield damage on moves like Shadow Ball is just wasted.
Doesn't Confusion already kind of do that since it's a grab?
Getting through shields isn't the same as breaking them.
No I mean Disable can already be dodged by jumping, ducking or looking to the other side, why does it have to also deal 1/50 shield damage and 0 frames shield stun + 0 shield push.
True. While I feel like Disable needs to be fixed to be useful, I don't see any moves being changed drastically unless there are examples I can't think of...
I wouldn't call Disable un-useful. It comes out quickly and leaves opponents completely vulnerable if they're hit by it. Plus, even if an opponent jumps, they can still be knocked back, which gives Mewtwo the advantage. That said, it's definitely a situational move, so giving it the ability to either break shields or deal high amounts of shield push would be nice. I also think it would be nice to have Disable break through super armor. I can't tell you how many times I've Disabled Ryu while he's charging up Focus Attack and gotten punched in the face for my efforts.
And yet even she can do some impressive stunts. Though judging a character solely based on whether they get buffed/nerfed
If you measure the distance correctly Teleport will always know whether it's grounded or aerial consistently.
I don't think Samus and Mewtwo are that different.
Who would that be? Do you also have some videos showcasing that player?
I don't know what you're talking about when you say that Mewtwo's U-Smash doesn't link correctly. The first strike only knocks opponents out if you just barely graze them. If it doesn't link correctly, then you probably deserved it. Believe me, I've had it happen to me, and it's really not that hard to avoid. You just have to time it right.
and got buffed. Again!
Johnny Westside from SoCal
Yeah, I didn't word it clearly. This is what I meant. The aerial drift is stupid.
diddy uair?
Mewtwo has an amazing dtilt for poking while Samus has literally nothing, and you've got high damaging + kill throws vs pretty much the worst set of throws in the game.
Changing the knock back value or damage of a move, no matter how drastic the change, is nothing compared to giving it totally different functions. The examples you gave happen all the time, just not as drastic.
Sure, they got hitbox and knockback changes, which, in turn, changes the way they're used, but giving Disable the ability to break shields is a whole other animal. As far as I know, no move has ever gotten a modification that adds a completely new function to its arsenal. I suppose it could happen, but I don't view it as a very likely possibility, especially when Mewtwo has other, more pressing matters that should be addressed first.
Zard's Dthrow went from Kill to Combo, Sheik's Bair was the same
Ganon's Aerial Wizard Foot can break shields now
Charizard's dthrow change is still just a knockback adjustment. The kind of new function I think of is like his dsmash burying people, or teleport suddenly gaining a hitbox.
That adjustment heavily changed how Charizard is in the current metagame
