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I wouldn't count it out whatsoever.I wish Suikoden had a chance in smash but the chances of that is non-existant
One problem might be that only Suikoden Tierkreis was on a nintendo platform, and none of the characters are returning ones.
If Konami weren't a bunch of monkeys, I'd be down for a retranslated remastered version of the original games. I'd also love a proper Suikoden 6. If there is any rep I can think of for Suikoden in Smash, it has to be either Tir Mcdohl or Riou Genkakku with me leaning more to the latter because of Suikoden 2's "diamond in the rough" status.One problem might be that only Suikoden Tierkreis was on a nintendo platform, and none of the characters are returning ones.
May not be necessary, looking at Cloud, but at least Cloud had a few cameos. Anyway it'd be reallly cool. even if i dont expect suikoden in smash, I'd just like the game to have more rep in general, and some more games, and ports of the old ones.
Either would have a unique weapon for smash. I prefer Riou, but anyway, if anything would happen with them I'd expect it more to be part of some other fighting game. I mean Konami has made fighting games, including DreamMix TV world fighters, so I wouldn't put it as impossible
Having a few suikoden characters in one could be cool XD
Yeah I'd prefer Riou too. Tonfas + Healing based character = Incredibly unique.Either would have a unique weapon for smash. I prefer Riou, but anyway, if anything would happen with them I'd expect it more to be part of some other fighting game. I mean Konami has made fighting games, including DreamMix TV world fighters, so I wouldn't put it as impossible
Anyway, I doubt it's worth making a support page for suikoden, this is probably as much speculation as we'd get on them lol.
True, I forgot Hudson, and Bomberman was really the most legitimate character for SmashU. And precisely, Bomberman was thought and proposed as a new Fighter, and then rejected by Konami. So, Castlevania could be a second choice.
No, this isn’t true at all. Stop making up stuff just because Konami has been making rather anti-fan decisions lately. Sakurai wanted Castlevania in from the start, he didn’t put it in place of Bomberman.
Besides Digimon(first created as video games), I think Boktai was another Bandai game first series too. I honestly can't think of many Bandai games series as is. Or much from them beyond those two.
Yeah, there are plenty of reasons why Konami is getting disdain right now, but this is definitely not it. Bomberman wasn't included simply because Sakurai couldn't think of a good move set for him. That's literally it.
Actually, was this said? I don't remember if it was. I mean, it makes sense. He's a lot harder to make a move set that both flows and is balanced than some. So I can understand having other Konami-owned characters higher priority, if only because he can make a moveset easier. With a clear development time limit, doing the easier character is very logical. There's a reason why 5/11 are Echoes, after all.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure so. I mean, even if not, it does make sense, especially given the general idea of Bomberman is rather limiting in terms of move set potential. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that, though.
I think a lot of people have the logic of including assist trophies backwards. They're not assist trophies because Sakurai didn't want to include them, they're assist trophies because he DID want to include them, but for some reason or another couldnt make them a playable fighter.
Yeah, my guess is with Simon and Alucard, despite Alucard having plenty of move set potential from SotN in particular, Simon represented retro Castlevania while Richter took modern Castlevania. He probably was going to use Alucard instead of Richter, but didn't have the time to make a whole new move set for a whole new character, so he made Richter, an echo fighter, instead. That's just a guess, though.
Not really planned, to clarify. He considered Alucard along with the Belmonts, knowing the vampire's popularity. But yeah, it's still what you said. Though it's still quite possible that moveset is why Bomberman didn't get in, so he got a cool AT role instead.
It was more "Simon's the popular one in the West and Richter's the popular one in the East. I combined their abilities so easy Echo fighters were done too." I think the overall idea is neither is meant to be more important than the other, hence his joke of "who is the echo?". My guess is Simon is the non-echo cause he's the first protagonist, which actually makes a lot of sense if there was no real way to choose between 'em.
I agree with this 100 percent. I don't see Sakurai denying Bandai-Namco a character because only Bandai doesn't have a good rep for smash. Especially considering it would be kind of awkward making the company that helped make smash 4 and ultimate the only third party with one rep.
He also said he won't give Bandai-Namco special treatment just because they helped make the game. It's like the rest of the 3rd party companies in that regard. If he sees a character of worth, he'll contact 'em. Or they might ask him first. So while it's awkward, it just means that nobody asked for a character yet(either Sakurai asking them for another) or (them asking Sakurai to put one in). In fact, I wonder if he's avoiding giving them another one due to this factor. Which is silly, but would explain it well. I can understand not giving them tons of characters or tons of content. However, them giving Sakurai lots of content simply because it's easier to license the company because they're already working on the game is another thing. We got some good Arcade-related stuff in 4, after all.
Right, I always forget that Digimon is a videogame franchise.
Not many knew it was a game before the far more infamous manga/anime. Can't blame 'em. Especially when the anime quality has been generally better than the game quality. Digimon World 1 was pretty awful at times. Never mind "extremely difficult and confusing evolution paths". Pokemon has its ups and downs, but nowhere near that bad.
Yeah. Same guy made a bunch of fake Agnes leaks in Smash 4 as well.
I'll be the first to say Bomberman has moveset potential even if it is at its most basic just him plopping a bomb down and doing things with it. Hell, Pac-man had less of a slate than Bomberman does for moves, and Sakurai still made a moveset.
Damm. that's a good mod even though Jump Force was such a massive disappointment. And sure, while Master Chief would be big, I would prefer to have Banjo xD
I beg to differ.
Which doesn't inherently make for good balance. He's a bit too projectile-based alone. Coupled with the fact his bombs hurt him, which was taken into account with the AT. It's not that simple. His AT design captures his gameplay rather faithfully too.
What? Do you have a source for your conclusion here? I'm not buying moveset being the reason Sakurai didn't choose Bomberman. You basically just confirmed he can make a moveset for Bomberman if he wanted to by saying it would be like Ridley, Megaman, and Pac-man. So since it can happen anyway, there's more reason Bomberman didn't make it. Most likely because they only had enough resources for Castlevania and that was on his mind first. Both series are viable picks because both were possible, both are unique, both are popular choices in the fanbase, and both had potential. It's not as simplistic as moveset.
That wasn't the point of mentioning Ridley. The point was it's very difficult and he keeps it in mind. Moveset issues being part of why Bomberman got an AT role are very possible. Never mind not having any ideas on how to balance him, combined with having two characters he had moveset ideas for. You're literally ignoring everything I said. Resources aren't what made the Belmonts chosen over Bomberman. He made a choice based upon other factors. For one thing, Castlevania absolutely had tons of votes. The idea that he couldn't figure out how to balance a moveset that isn't easy to think about with a high time limit(which made the Belmonts also higher priority) didn't help. It's not a literal case of resources. Those alone doesn't make the moveset workable. If it never danced in his head, it wouldn't matter. One thing he has shown to care about is some form of faithfulness. When possible. But even Ganondorf, for example, is a physical warrior at times too.
And nobody was saying it was a confirmed thing. What people are theorizing is moveset balance was part of why he wasn't chosen. Where on earth did you get any other idea along the way that it wasn't a theory? It was worded like that the whole time. Bomberman has nothing but projectiles by design(at least only using his own specific abilities). That's why I outright asked for the person claiming he was supposedly easy to make a moveset for to actually provide better examples of how the character could work. Cause a projectile-only character wouldn't be good for balance. They'd be nothing but having too much reach. How would it balance out?
Little Mac exists, balance isn't really an issue.
Little Mac is not every close to a similar comparison. He's full of physical blows. That doesn't make him hard to deal with because of projectiles making him impossible to hit. He sucks at recovery as a balance. Not a remotely similar situation. They're quite literally the opposite of issues at best. A character without projectiles is easy to balance overall. It doesn't mean they'll actually be super great in battle(as shown by Ganondorf), though. But they still don't have that issue all that much. They can be approached in the heat of battle fairly easily. They don't ever have massive reach without something like extremely slow speed on certain moves to help balance it out. Or a downside despite a reach factor(like Ridley's tail moves have good reach at times, but don't have extreme knockback. His most damaging move has zero knockback in return for its power).
100% theory. There's absolutely no real evidence of him being in. We have many rumors, and Brave matches up very well with the character via the name alone. The datamined stats suggest it's either his chibi/kid form or possibly someone else.
Yeah, it's a very odd situation as a whole. Given the stats can be changed, however, I'd still be willing to believe Erdrick is Brave. If Erdrick isn't coming, he's probably the biggest leak bait since Star Fox Grand Prix, and I sincerely doubt that.
Though at least the idea Grand Prix was just the racing bit from Starlink would be logical... if PolarPanda didn't confirm it was leakbait.
Nah, it'd be illogical to say he's confirmed. He's looking quite likely, but nothing is 100% until we hear it from Nintendo and Sakurai.
Or at least a good gameplay leak.
I'm gonna file this along with "Erdrick in Smash was actually Dai in Jump Force" in the unnecessarily complicated drawer. The Grand Prix rumour has been around for ages, and has always been that it's an independent game developed by Retro. Getting that from a side mode in a Ubisoft game doesn't make much sense.
To be fair, I barely heard of the details of the rumor. Okay, yeah, never mind. Thanks for the better information.
I think I understand what you're saying now. There are many reasons as to why Bomberman couldn't be chosen over Castlevania, and the complexity of his moveset might have been one factor, which isn't a slight against Bomberman himself. Balancing it wouldn't be easy because Bomberman would be a chaotic character. He should be, too, because that's literally the point of Bomberman multiplayer. You have to balance that insanity of killing everyone and not yourself while making it fair. I say they can just patch him and adjust the stats as they see fit, but I think this conversation is going on longer than it needs, and that's my fault for being defensive.
